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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 189
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2015 - 05:29 pm: | 
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Hi Charles (Kiwiseeker),
I thought this might interest you -
You may recall your mail of Mar 3, 2014 - Minoans or Atlanteans?
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13142.html#POST69565
I found some further indications that Egypt was indeed connected with Atlantis.
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The priest of Sais speaking to Solon said that (Greater) Atlantis’ sphere of influence extended “as far as Egypt and in Europe as far as Tyrrhenia..”
(2)
In addition Herodotus (484 – 425 BCE) mentions in his Egyptian diary (“Euterpe” – Eu = well , terpein = please) the sequence of Egyptian high priests that was given to him and Hecataeus of Miletus by the priests of god Amun in Thebes.
In front of the large wooden coffins which contained the mummies of the high priests they were told that the position of high priest was hereditary – that it was passed down from generation to generation.
“…They said that among these giants there was always a Piromis, the son of another Piromis – until they had shown him the 345 giants, (they all were called =) always Piromis the son of Piromis, and led them neither to a god nor a hero….All of them, the priests explained, were of this kind: giants, never gods. But gods had ruled in Egypt before these men, although they did not associate with the mortals…”
I would interpret the “gods (that) had ruled before these men” with Atlantians – who, as we know, were not allowed to mix other races on Earth (mortals).
Salome,
Bill |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 118
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2015 - 08:46 pm: |
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Tat_tvam_asi,
I enjoy reading your material; you're very through and investigate in depth. Excellent article on Atlantis!
Thank you
Kenneth |
Tat_tvam_asi
Member
Post Number: 190
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, March 13, 2015 - 06:29 am: |
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Thank you, Kenneth.
Salome,
Bill |
Watchdog
Member
Post Number: 32
Registered: 12-2014
| | Posted on Friday, March 13, 2015 - 06:44 am: |
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Tat_tvam_asi
"...History of Atlantis (Smaller & Greater; see Contacts 55 & 70) & Mu - 2 largest Earth cities on 2 different continents (Mu located where Gobi desert is, Greater-Atlantis located between Africa & America) who destroyed each other 11,498 years ago; Pelegon (scientist/leader); Arhus (IHWH/leader);
Azores Islands are the only remainder of Greater-Atlantis..."
David AKA Watchdog. USA |
Kiwiseeker
Member
Post Number: 147
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2015 - 11:33 pm: |
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Hi Bill (Tat_tvam_asi),
Thanks for the Egypt-Atlantis connection reference.I have not been active on the forum for some time,but I see that you have been diligent in your pursuit of the truth.
Charles |
Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 120
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2015 - 07:40 pm: |
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Does anyone know; was Earths polar axis shift thousands of years ago caused by the war between Atlantis and Mu or was it caused by the Destroyer Planet? |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 121
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2015 - 02:18 pm: |
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Did Humans Walk the Earth with Dinosaurs? Triceratops Horn Dated to 33,500 Years. Could this be why, between ~30,000 and ~40,000 years ago, humans built these gigantic stone walls; to keep the dinosaurs out?
Ruins at Tiwanaku, Bolivia
Stone wall, Sacsayhuaman ruins Cuzco Peru
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvWdWbLcJvQ&feature=player_embedded
Did Humans Walk the Earth with Dinosaurs? Triceratops Horn Dated to 33,500 Years
Leader in modern science are threatened by this information; it means that there were actually humans more advanced and intelligent than them, that lived hundreds of thousands of years ago.
To say that these humans were extraterrestrial would push these so called avant-garde scientists over the edge.
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Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 121
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Monday, March 23, 2015 - 07:12 pm: |
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Regarding my earlier question; "Earths polar axis shift thousands of years ago". . .
I found the answer; it was the fault of the Destroyer Planet; amazing how that works; meditate on a question; you'll know where to look for the answer.
Billy Meier - Asket's Explanations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N8gLGXYjr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI84Dz-uNm0
Kenneth |
Votan
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Post Number: 302
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Monday, March 23, 2015 - 10:17 pm: |
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There is so much about ancient civilizations that remains hidden.
They probably made more advances in science than what we know now.
joe
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Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 122
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 - 08:01 am: |
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Bill,
Excellent; thank you for the detailed information.
Kenneth |
Tat_tvam_asi
Member
Post Number: 197
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 - 06:05 pm: |
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Thank you, Kenneth, for your research on the carbon dating of fossilized dinosaur bones.
Some people may not or not fully accept carbon dating.
But the many samples tested and found to be some 30,000 years old would indicate that they are true.
It would as well fit Edgar Cayce's readings - see
e.g. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13453.html#POST72691
Salome,
Bill
PS
That mainstream science rejects new, unfamiliar discoveries is not surprising.
Pythagoras (“The Earth is round”), Copernicus/Bruno/Galileo (“The Earth revolves around the sun”), Tesla (Wardenclyffe Tower) come to mind:
People, including scientists, are often unwilling to accept change. |
Verlanis
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Post Number: 131
Registered: 10-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 - 11:05 pm: |
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The best explanation for the current round of dinosaur discoveries basically says that the dinosaurs were blasted with monster electricity discharges. Electrical discharge, if strong enough, can and will calcify bone to be no different than any other fossil in appearance, whereas a sedimentary fossilization will not contain the organic mush found inside the dinosaur bones.
Jack -- 250 years of peace within the last 10,000 years, and we wonder why we all have a headache.
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Votan
Member
Post Number: 304
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 - 09:11 pm: |
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Bill
It has been proven that the way they do the carbon dating is incorrect.
In fact it is way out. 30,000 years is more like 10,000 years.
joe
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Tat_tvam_asi
Member
Post Number: 198
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, March 28, 2015 - 06:19 am: |
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Hi Votan,
The major question is, whether all dinosaurs perished many millions ago (after the Yucatan Asteroid hit Earth), or if there were still some specimen left some 50,000 years ago.
(EC mentioned the date of 50,722 BCE when the powers of the time decided to curb the threat of large animals - a super cosmic (death) ray was supposed to have assisted them).
According to the Wikipedia “(carbon dating) techniques can allow dates up to 60,000 and in some cases up to 75,000 years before the present to be measured..”.
According to a 1990 article of the NYT samples that are older than 30,000 years may result in “unreliable test results”.
(Below some segments of the two articles.)
The carbon dating tests in Kenneth’s hyperlink dated the age of dinosaur bones between (some) 25,000 to 39,000 years.
So yes, you are right, results from carbon tests are somewhat unreliable.
Still, after considering all reports, I would conclude that maybe not all of these large predators became extinct some 66 millions ago.
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Salome,
Bill
Reliability of Carbon Dating Techniques
According to
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/31/us/errors-are-feared-in-carbon-dating.html
“Scientists at the Lamont-Doherty Geological Laboratory of Columbia University at Palisades, N.Y., reported today in the British journal Nature that some estimates of age based on carbon analyses were wrong by as much as 3,500 years. …Dr. Alan Zindler, a professor of geology at Columbia University: ''The largest deviation, 3,500 years, was obtained for samples that are about 20,000 years old.''
Carbon dating is unreliable for objects older than about 30,000 years, but uranium-thorium dating may be possible for objects up to half a million years old, Dr. Zindler said. The method is less suitable, however, for land animals and plants than for marine organisms, because uranium is plentiful in sea water but less so in most soils."
According to Wikipedia, though, carbon testing is limited to samples not older than 75,000 years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating
“Radiocarbon dating is generally limited to dating samples no more than 50,000 years old, as samples older than that have insufficient C to be measurable. Older dates have been obtained by using special sample preparation techniques, large samples, and very long measurement times. These techniques can allow dates up to 60,000 and in some cases up to 75,000 years before the present to be measured..” |
Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 123
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Friday, March 27, 2015 - 07:14 am: |
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This crater is older than when Atlantis was hit; but what about the destruction of the planet Molina?
Scientists locate largest-ever meteorite crater in Australian outback
"It would have been curtains for many life species on the planet at the time," lead researcher Andrew Glikson said. March 23, 2015 at 3:07 PM
ACTON, Australia, March 23 (UPI) -- There's no hole or depression to speak of. The newly discovered meteorite crater has been filled in -- and much of the evidence weathered away -- over the last 300 million-plus years, but a couple of massive scars remain.
Researchers only recently identified the scars in the Australian outback as the product of an ancient meteorite -- a meteor that split in two just before impact, creating the largest known meteorite crater.
Initially, scientists located only a single scar. That was five years ago. The first scar, alone, constituted the third largest meteorite impact site on Earth.
But now, researchers from the Australian National University have identified a second scar, which scientists say was likely made by the same massive chunk of space rock as the first. Each impact site measures 120 miles in diameter. Together, the two sites makeup the largest meteorite crater in the history of Earth.
"The two asteroids must each have been over 10 kilometre’s (6.2 miles) across -- it would have been curtains for many life species on the planet at the time," lead researcher Andrew Glikson, a professor at the ANU School of Archaeology and Anthropology, said in a press release.
The researchers legitimized the scars' origin story with follow-up research, drilling deep into the crust below and using electromagnetic imaging to model the rock composition below the surface. The drill core revealed fragments of rocks that had turned to glass -- the kind of transformation only made possible by the high pressure and extreme heat of massive impacts.
Magnetic image modeling helped scientists locate two massive bulges of rock rich in iron and magnesium buried deep below the surface.
"There are two huge deep domes in the crust, formed by the Earth's crust rebounding after the huge impacts, and bringing up rock from the mantle below," Glikson said.
While the tentative date for the impact has been placed at 300 million years ago, researchers haven't been able to match it up with an extinction event in the geologic record. Nearby rock dates as far back as 600 million years, leading researchers to suggest there's a chance the massive impact is older than currently estimated.
"The consequences are that it could have caused a large mass extinction event at the time, but we still don't know the age of this asteroid impact and we are still working on it," Glikson told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
The research was published this week in the journal Tectonophysics.
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2015/03/23/Scientists-locate-largest-ever-meteorite-crater-in-Australian-outback/5051427133607/?st_rec=4651427377394
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Votan
Member
Post Number: 305
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, March 29, 2015 - 01:55 am: |
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Bill
Carbon dating has nothing to do with age.It has been proven that objects that are 1000 years old has been carbon dated 30.,000.
The scientists carbon dating is wrong.
Go to Jonathan Gray site and he will have proof.
When certain bodies die they deteriorate quicker than what the carbon date testing is done.
Ask Billy on his next open session.
joe
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Tat_tvam_asi
Member
Post Number: 199
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, March 29, 2015 - 09:08 pm: |
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Hi Votan,
I would not trust J. Gray too much:
He e.g. stated re. Atlantis when and where:
"Atlantis 9600 BC? Not at all. ....Goodbye to another time myth."
The carbon dating of dinosaur bones Kenneth refers to is a well prepared scientific analysis *).
It was done in 2012 and 2013 using the best process (Accelerator Mass Spectrometry) available.
The scientists presented their findings in a conference in Singapore. But the organizers there must have found the results too astonishing:
"...They did not look at the data and they never spoke with the researchers. They did not like the test results, so they censored them."
Though the scientists encourage others to do their own research - the carbon dates they received would suggest that homo sapiens encountered dinosaurs.
Salome,
Bill
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http://newgeology.us/presentation48.html
"...Since dinosaurs are thought to be over 65 million years old, the news is stunning - and more than some can tolerate..."
(But)
"... We have found un-mineralized dinosaur bones. We then scrape the outer surface off to get rid of surface contamination, and date the inner remaining material. One can date just the purified bioapatite, the total organics, or the collagen, or a combination of these, as we did in several cases..."
"...The best process (Accelerator Mass Spectrometry) was used to date them. Total organic carbon and dinosaur bioapatite was extracted and pretreated to remove potential contaminants, and concordant radiocarbon dates were obtained..."
"...Dr. Jean de Pontcharra, one of ten co-authors and an atomic physicist retired from the Grenoble Research Center of the French Atomic Energy Commission, and Professor Dr. Robert Bennett, physicist and co-author, agree that "the AOGS-AGU assembly encourages presentation of reliable data even though the topic may be controversial.
This is a very wise policy for the advancement of science and the education of people everywhere. Thus, we encourage our colleagues to do their own carbon dating of dinosaur bones from museums and university fossil repositories around the world, as well as testing for C-14 in scrapings from dinosaur bones as they are excavated.
We are anxious to see their results presented, just as we have done. Also, we call on the news media and citizens everywhere to urge paleontologists, curators, university faculty, and government scientific agencies to encourage and support further testing for C-14 content in dinosaur remains. Scientists need to know the actual chronology of the Earth and the age of the fossils."
For more details about their research results - see above web site. |
Tat_tvam_asi
Member
Post Number: 200
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, March 30, 2015 - 06:46 pm: |
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If historians cannot scientifically verify prehistoric events they are tempted to look for clues in the folklore and myths of people.
Dragon tales are known in many cultures *), from the Americas to Europe and India.
Usually a brave hero kills – against all odds - a dragon to save his people.
This spark of collective imagination has been passed on over many generations - from the Greeks / Sumerians up to J.R. R.Tolkien.
If EC / the above mentioned carbon dating results are somewhat correct then it becomes very likely that these “tell tales of fighting the dragon” originated in “ancient human encounters with dinosaurs”.
Salome,
Bill
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In western cultures the dragon is usually regarded as a symbol of malevolence, in China it is held in high esteem for its dignity and power for good.
For them it is a symbol of power, strength, and good luck for people who are worthy of it.
The people of China have a long held belief that they are descendants of the dragon, a tradition that is firmly embedded in their hearts and minds.
They cannot understand why western people have such a hostile view of the dragon:
Perhaps they arrived on our planet when the "dinosaur eradication program" (as per EC readings) was "completed". |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 641
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 02:43 pm: |
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Not sure where.
If I recollect correctly.
Billy stated or answered a question in which he stated (more or less) that;
(1) 'A cigar shaped beamship craft landed there and from within the craft appeared a man (former-personality?).'
(2) 'This man taught them many things.'
(3) 'The "dragon" is in reference to this craft and the individual that is held in high esteem.' |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 537
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, April 02, 2015 - 04:09 pm: |
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Please feel free to fill in any misconceptions you see here.
As I understand it, Hyperboreans (the ~700 people who maintained a presence under Mt. Shasta, Alaska, and in the Aleutian islands), were originally from Lyra, and maintained contact with the original people since time immemorial? And the reason why the Plejaren left Earth had to do, at least in part, with the Hyperboreans living on Earth? When it came time for them to leave, why were the Plejaren involved, instead of the Lyrans? If this is so, what relationship have the Hyperborean people had with the Bafath? Surely they must have known about each other? And why, when the Bafath declined in sophistication, along with other groups of previously more advanced peoples, why had the Hyperboreans not done the same?
We know so much more about the Bafath; what is the Hyperborean history? This whole Hyperborean story is chock full of big blank spots and unexplained holes.
Life
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Sonicecho
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 02-2015
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 - 03:07 pm: |
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Billy has explained giants and the nephilim in the past. Can someone tell me about the titans of ancient greece and something about someone or somrthing being locked up still to this day in mount olympus? And did billy ever mention about the conspiracy by americas smithsonian institute and museum covering up or diposing the remains of giant skeletons found all over north america. I think alot were found in the Ohio valley? Is the smithisonian covering up or hiding the remains of giant humans from long ago? And did anyone see any info on the island of samoa where apparently giants with 3 foot long footprints still live today according to the native population? Has billy mentioned any of this in any of his reports, etc? Thanks |
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