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Stefan_z2
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Post Number: 60
Registered: 12-2014
| | Posted on Sunday, January 17, 2016 - 04:55 am: | 
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Hi,
Those findings are certainly useful, when arguing against many children per family. They confirm advice by FIGU.
http://www.uh.edu/news-events/stories/2016/January/0111FamilySize.php
http://www.west-info.eu/files/66128-w218241.pdf
Salome,
Stefan |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1140
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 17, 2016 - 09:01 am: |
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The problem is that you stated it so as to imply that the info from Berlet was corroborated by the Plejaren.
His info may or may not be accurate but unless you show where the Plejaren affirmed his details then it should be clearly stated that the Plejaren didn't do so, perhaps yet. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 284
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, January 18, 2016 - 06:19 am: |
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Hi Michael,
Only Ptaah’s information (that it took only 32 years to increase Akart’s population from 23 to 34 billion) is relevant in the context of our planet’s overpopulation scenario.
Re. Arthur Berlet’s account of Akart:
The Plejaren stated that he had a "real vision". To me that would imply that what he saw was real.
My footnote should express that there is no assurance but a likelihood ("...may support the validity of his account") that his account is true:
“NB: AB did not tell his story for monetary gains which may support the validity of his account.”
It is my opinion that Arthur Berlet told the world steadfastly about “his experience” because his mission in life was to warn us Earthlings of the grave danger of overpopulation.
Salome,
Bill |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1142
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, January 18, 2016 - 11:35 am: |
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Hi Bill,
Actually a "real vision" can even be the opposite. It refers to a kind of telepathic-hypnotic vision that appears to be completely real to the person, including that they may be in a spacecraft, on another world, etc. Some of the so-called "contactees" who really weren't had these kinds of experiences as generated by the Baath.
I don't know what Berlet's experience was. I was only wanting to be very clear on whether the Plejaren actually and specifically confirmed his information, or if you were implying they did.
Again, I don't know whether or not his information was correct, etc. |
Joe
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Post Number: 405
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 - 01:15 am: |
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I had already answered Tat_tvam_asi (Bill) back in 2014 about Arthur Berlet and the planet Akart back in 2014.
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13347.html?1414275394#POST71502
And here is Billy's reply about Arthur Berlet from 2010:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/11487.html?1288019376 |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 285
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 - 02:31 am: |
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Hi Michael,
I see, I did not know that.
Now I understand what you meant.
Thank you
Salome,
Bill |
Norm
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Post Number: 1640
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 - 05:20 pm: |
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Population Ignored Yet Again This Time at the Recent Paris talks
http://capsweb.org/blog/population-ignored-yet-again-time-recent-paris-talks |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 286
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 - 06:10 pm: |
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Hi Joe,
Would we call a hypnotized person’s actions “fraud”?
The term 'fraud' is defined as an “intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage."
1. A person experiencing a real vision and reporting it would hardly have a “knowledge of falsity”.
2. All records about AB show that he never intentionally misrepresented facts with the desire to become rich or famous on account of his encounter.
So it would seem hardly logical to criticize AB or even call him a fraud for an experience that he felt as being true.
But I accept Michael’s explanation that “real visions” may not represent “reality” but actually be untrue.
But then it is the ones that implant such visions (as eg. the Bafath did, as Michael mentioned) that we should call “fraud”:
They are the ones acting with malicious intent.
Salome,
Bill |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 244
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 - 06:50 pm: |
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When questioning several people that were not aware of FIGU or Billy regarding the over population of Earth; they had a puzzled look on their face. After a bit it was pretty obvious that they knew nothing about this issue.
It's not talked about by the new media enough, people are just not aware of the problem.
After explaining it to one person, their response was, "I would have bet my paycheck that we are not in an overpopulation situation". |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 287
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 - 07:06 am: |
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Davos 2016
“Poverty Is The Parent Of Revolution And Crime.” ( Aristotle)
In 2016 the richest 1 % will own more than the remaining 99 %.
The world’s richest 62 persons own as much as half of the world’s poorest (ca. 4,000,000,000 people)
https://www.oxfam.org.au/media/2016/01/62-people-own-same-as-half-the-world-oxfam/
Today the World Economic Forum in Davos / Switzerland (20-23 Jan 2016) starts.
Its participants will discuss economical and political issues.
Their agendas may find not much time to contemplate Oxfam’s research or Aristotle’s insight.
But all phenomena in our universe are correlative.
As the laws and forces of our universe strive for balance, so one extreme “breeds” its opposite extreme.
The mentioned trend, that the gap between rich and poor is widening, is no exception.
The “opposite trend” is that poverty leads to overpopulation in underdeveloped countries:
Unhealthy conditions seem to stimulate poor parents to have more children – that those that survive will look after them in old age.
See e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llAG5V7x17A
But this process spirals out: poverty exacerbates overpopulation which exacerbates poverty etc. etc.
Our leaders may find these correlations not so important.
Not yet.
But the desperation of hungry, economic migrants is "reaching pressure point".
As is the CO2, GHG, our climate, the melting ice, the sea levels, the moisture in our air, the deluges.
Why is there no action, what "clouds" the mind of our leaders?
Thought Is Creative
“The actuality of thought is life” (Aristotle)
The human mind is a “skilled painter”: the world we live in is a reflection of our thoughts.
But throughout history religion had a great influence on human thinking.
It was a useful tool to subordinate the masses:
The great majority of humans were taught to believe that only their god/s (and the rulers that were appointed by him/them) were wise and creative/ That they were “heaven-bound” if they followed their king and creator-god.
Individuals seeking wisdom were more or less “guilty of blasphemy”:
The “snake/devil” in paradise seducing humans to seek wisdom - Galileo’s “E pur si muove” etc.
In more recent times governments may have replaced the “kings”.
But the masses retained their religious belief in subordination.
So it should not surprise when even today many people “idolize” “the rich and powerful”, the business tycoons, sports/movie/TV stars, singers etc..
Panta Rei
Over time many discoveries and political changes have opened the human mind to more freedom.
But religion has hardly changed its dogmatic views.
Its authoritarian vision of a perfect, wise deity looking down on an unlucky, forever unwise mass of sinners still has a firm grip on and imprisons the mind of its many believers.
The reluctance of religions to adopt a more humanistic view of our world explains not only the many of the violent religious clashes we witness in our time.
Its dogma of human weakness and godly might reflects as well the status quo in our world:
A few rich, well educated dominating the many poor and uneducated.
R. W. Emerson’s harsh comments -
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
What Should Be Done?
“The fate of Empires depends on the education of the youth.” (Aristotle)
Poverty is a fundamental contributor to population growth due primarily to a lack of adequate education.
A global Education Charta should be drawn up providing equal education for all mankind – no matter their origin.
An education that promotes man’s right to seek wisdom rather than religious dogma rejecting wisdom.
It should educate not firstly teach knowledge but a sincere respect for the dignity of man.
That no man is no original / forever condemned sinner.
That he is not limited by his birth but able to grow through acts of his own will.
It should teach that everything in this universe is connected, “turned into one”:
That each human consciousness is a part of the universal consciousness.
That each moment of individual life is a moment of universal life.
That no deity but a universal Law of Cause and Effect “weighs” each human thought.
That mistakes are stepping stones to wisdom.
The ideal of an honest thinking human self should be educated.
Nature Progresses In Stages – Mutations Are Rare
“There is no coming to consciousness without pain.
… One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.”
C.G. Jung
Yes, consciousness grows out of change and in a time of deceit telling the truth is a “revolutionary act…”
So a sudden removal of religion, man’s deepest affiliation, would most certainly cause great chaos among humans:
The time of religious wars 1500 – 1650 ACE was a time of unspeakable cruelty.
Accordingly, for a time perhaps, religious practice should be free to people.
Yet, it should not interfere in the education of young people.
Neither should it interfere in scientific research or human administration (e.g. birth control) measures.
Perhaps such patience / tolerance would allow the human mind to develop in stages and peacefully towards a more open, more scientific, more universal view of life, similar to Einstein’s:
“I do not believe in a personal God... If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it…. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is a something that our mind cannot grasp and whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly and as a feeble reflection, this is religiousness. In this sense I am religious ... But I prefer not to call myself religious because it is misleading. It is destructively misleading because, for the vast majority of people, 'religion' implies 'supernatural'."” Albert Einstein
"The Religion of The Future will Be A Cosmic Religion..." A. Einstein
It is astonishing what great effect human thoughts have.
Constant prayers to an imaginary, illusive deity do create an imaginary, illusive world:
An egocentric consciousness rules our planet.
Maybe our fellow humans in Davos should contemplate Lao Tse's insight:
“The reason why the universe is eternal is that it does not live for itself.
It gives life to others while it transforms.”
Each moment of our life is a precious moment of cosmic unity.
Seeing our own self in all beings and all beings in our own self - with this heartfelt cosmic unity we “give life to others while we transform …”.
Salome,
Bill |
Stefan_z2
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Post Number: 62
Registered: 12-2014
| | Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2016 - 08:34 pm: |
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Hello Everyone,
When during the last days searching facts around the annual Davos event, I came across the following article
https://theconversation.com/how-davos-power-brokers-can-start-tackling-major-environmental-risks-53333
I like the analysis towards the end, which concludes that leaders from industry, governments and academia are only bothered with action against short term problems – whatever is acute in something like 18 months.
It fits therefore that the full risk perception report 2016 sees now “failure of climate change mitigation and adaptation” as number 1 global risk in terms of impact. Compare that with existing firm commitments for action.
While population containment related sessions where as expected non-existent at the event, at one point, ahead of the following programmatic topic…
http://www.weforum.org/events/world-economic-forum-annual-meeting-2016/sessions/global-science-outlook-78561f5f-1494-4565-bf32-d107eac5ea85
… the World Economic Forum site briefly showed the first diagram from this PEW Research survey from 2015:
http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/01/29/public-and-scientists-views-on-science-and-society/
Looking at it, it is mindboggling to see that 82% of scientists in the large American Association for the Advancement of Science stated that “Growing world population will be a major problem”, but at the same time close to zero studies and efforts are pursued for it, public debate on actions totally shunned.
Salome,
Stefan |
Ilovebilly
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Post Number: 397
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2016 - 02:49 am: |
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Re:
In more recent times governments may have replaced the “kings”.
But the masses retained their religious belief in subordination.
So it should not surprise when even today many people “idolize” “the rich and powerful”, the business tycoons, sports/movie/TV stars, singers etc..
I always wondered about people fascination/idolisation with sports/movie/TV stars, singers etc..
I didn't consider it could be a remnant of religion worship, also a tribal element comes into play for some sport fans I think
Also I remember reading a virus can make some people fitness fanatics, I am 99% sure it was in c notes?
And Dancing what's the go with that rofl
I dance for the missus (when I can't escape it) and feel strange when I do it it eh eh
Salome
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Norm
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Post Number: 1641
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2016 - 04:41 pm: |
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How Labour turned London into a foreign city.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-3412616/How-Labour-turned-London-foreign-city.html |
Hugo
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Post Number: 141
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2016 - 06:56 pm: |
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Norm, be happy you don't live there. 
Is that happening where you live in US? |
Norm
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Post Number: 1642
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Monday, January 25, 2016 - 02:11 pm: |
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Hugo, just because its not at my doorstep doesn't mean I don't worry about it. Obama opened the Borders here before Merkel open the Borders to the EU. Billions are coming. The host countries are going to collapse or get throw into Civil Wars. Billy warned this. The Left Wing is the cause with their Billionaire secret backers. Tax-exempt Foundations, George Soro's are funding these groups. It insanity!
Facebook Disabled this girls account. No more free speech
16 y/o German girl talks about muslim immigration, destruction of her own country (Engl. subs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGfP8CyJAhg |
Hugo
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Post Number: 142
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Monday, January 25, 2016 - 11:09 pm: |
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Norm, that's no good for your future in the US.
If you can, maybe you should consider moving to Australia because we have among the toughest asylum seekers policies in the world, no borders, wealthy and the P's (Christian) said Australia would overall be a good place to be regarding financial collapses and other matters.
Also, it is one of the safer places to be if WW3 breaks out, far away from the rest of the world where nukes will be falling. |
Cpl
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Post Number: 796
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - 06:30 am: |
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Hugo,
Surely you know that you must be younger than 55 or very rich to be allowed to settle in Australia.
Just wanting to be there, even if your family is there, isn't enough now.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Norm
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Post Number: 1643
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - 02:37 pm: |
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Hugo, the Open Borders Lobby is going to one day change your laws. Trust me keep your eyes on it. They are relentless. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1590
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - 06:15 pm: |
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Hugo I doubt it.
With the chaos rampant all over the world the potential for terrorist attack I believe is imminent in Australia as well so there wouldn't be any country untouched by this scurge.
Having said that I agree that Australia is by in large is a better option tham any other country in the northern hemisphere.
Not far from where I live some would be IS terrorists were caught so it just goes to show how illusory the false sense of security really is. |
Norm
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Post Number: 1644
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - 07:11 pm: |
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I asked this question years ago to Billy.
Billy, How the heck are we going to stop Overpopulation? When Economists keep telling everybody this?
"Economists say that by 2015, Europe will face a declining population. It will need more immigrants, not fewer, if states are going to pay for the pensions and health-care systems of a graying population."
ANSWER:
Hi Norm,
That's silly, stupid and near-sighted thinking. It's no solution at all! According to those unreasonable "economists" (= in this case "egoists") there must be a steady increase of people on an piece of land that is finite. Very silly. After me the flood. The only effective way to stop overpopulation is by exercising a birthrate check. |
Norm
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Post Number: 1645
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 11:15 am: |
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Trump’s daring gamble helps expose Fox News’ Open Borders leanings
http://anncorcoran2016.org/2016/01/27/breitbart-story-trumps-daring-gamble-helps-expose-fox-news-open-borders-leanings/ |
Corey
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Post Number: 1040
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 11:06 am: |
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a very good PDF for terrestrial humanity:
http://26wub7wo1rgzr1le3cirtuq3-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Population-and-Emissions-FINAL-Best-Resolution.pdf
features overpopulation statistics, and anti-overpopulation information!
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Hugo
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Post Number: 143
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 12:57 pm: |
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"Hugo, the Open Borders Lobby is going to one day change your laws. Trust me keep your eyes on it. They are relentless."
Norm, I don't think they will be able to, at least I hope. Australia has always had strict border policies. Now that the EU and US have opened their borders to all these undesirables that come from countries that hate Western societies and Australians see all the trouble they are going to cause in those countries in near future if not already, I think Australians will never allow their border laws to be changed to let them in. They are not dumb. If anything I think they will demand even tougher border laws. Australia thankfully is not the EU or the US. Soon Australia will become a republic. There was just massive talks about it the other day on Australia day. If I was in charge here I would make Australia a neutral country and stuff the rest of the world. We have all the resources and needs here to look after ourselves. When I look at all the troubles happening around the world I am very glad to living in Australia. |
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