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Getknowledge
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| | Posted on Sunday, February 28, 2016 - 11:45 am: | 
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Mr Lee, overpopulation is a fact the root cause, it's not speculation (maybe you’re being sarcastic).
To reiterate, global warming is only one of the symptoms of overpopulation, the root cause of 99% of all problems plaguing humanity; political, social, environmental and economical - COMBINED.
“Facts that are already often named, carried out into the world, which up until now, however, have, by and large, born no fruit.”
“Overpopulation is really the determining problem-factor, because the more people that live on the Earth, the greater all the other problems become and the more the demand exists for not only energy resources like oil, natural gas and uranium, but also fresh water, living space and food, etc.”
“To pursue a policy that is only based on taking cannot have good results in the end. Earth must be able to regenerate itself, but that is a difficult or rather impossible undertaking when it is populated with 8 billion human beings who naturally all want to have their needs, e.g. food, clothing, warmth, shelter etc., satisfied which is of course everyone’s right.”
“Beyond a doubt, Man alone is responsible for the depletion of the ozone layer, the greenhouse effect and climatic changes on Earth – the larger the human population on Earth, the worse and more irremediable the situation becomes. Unquestionably, the climatic changes now evident will lead to increases in hurricane activity and other destructive natural events with catastrophic consequences.”
“And the origin of everything is overpopulation, which, however, neither humanity nor the responsible scientists, authorities and governments want to accept as true.”
“All the responsible ones are too stupid and narrow-minded to recognize that help in regard to the protection of the environment can thereby only be provided when the resolved measures, or the measures yet to be resolved, for the protection of the environment and the protection of the climate, and so forth, are only useful in association with a regulation for a global halt to births.”
“Mankind on Earth has always tried to fight an old ill with a new one; but, truthfully, this path is leading to man’s final destruction. The scenario may be compared to a debt that grows immeasurably to the point where it can no longer even be paid, as is the case when an individual goes into debt and attempts to pay it off by going further into debt, only to furnish security for this debt by incurring an even greater debt. The same holds true when humankind on Earth fights old ills with new ones. Yet humanity on Earth frequently acts and thinks completely illogically, which is why it attempts contrary to reason to eliminate an old ill by introducing a newly contrived, newly produced one. This is illogical in every way.” Billy
"I am convinced that some political and social activities and practices of the Catholic organizations are detrimental and even dangerous for the community as a whole, here and everywhere. I mention here only the fight against birth control at a time when overpopulation in various countries has become a serious threat to the health of people and a grave obstacle to any attempt to organize peace on this planet." Albert Einstein -- letter, 1954
Humanity Is Doomed - We have 1,000 Years To Leave Earth And Colonize Another Planet" - Physicist Stephen Hawking, re overpopulation
"We are killing our grand kids in order to feed our kids." - Elderly Native
Tien
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Newinitiation
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| | Posted on Monday, February 29, 2016 - 03:19 pm: |
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Thanks Tien you are correct
Overpopulation is the root cause of our ills
But I'll go further and state 'what are we overpopulated with? Tuna? Rats? Kangaroos?
Human beings of course therefore it is earth human beings as the root cause of the root cause of overpopulation.
And how did this come about?
Earth human beings straying further and further away from the laws of Creation and becoming more and more ignorant of it.
So as we earthlings became more and more materialistic and ignorant of the truth, the more humans were born into this world.
But as I said in my previous post I am assuming that all the artificial staff we produce act as heat absorbers that unnaturally trap heat thereby exacerbating the problem of global warming or so I am deducing.
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Newinitiation
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| | Posted on Monday, February 29, 2016 - 05:04 pm: |
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Tien I also think that overpopulation per se is never a problem and I really mean it.
How could it be.
I don't think that we could make a blanket and declarative statement such as 'overpopulation is the root cause of all our problems' without further qualifying this statement and putting it in the right context relevent to the era in which this statement is given.
Here is my rationale.
Even if 10 billion people are now living on this earth overpopulation would not be a problem 'IF' those 10 billion lived according to the Creational natural laws.
Put it this way the 7 WUV Billy talks about comes in a package meaning it is because of the destructive activities such as mining and extraction and the use of fossil fuel among so many other destructive actions of man that overpopulation becomes a problem
I mean if we all lived like the indigenous aborigines and Amazon tribes without greed and the current economic, political, religious, technological and financial system would we even have the current environmental woes that we have now.
It is the things we do to this planet and the stuff we produce that overpopulation becomes an issue and not whether there is 2 billion or 10 billion people are living.
It is our parasitical and cancerous way of life that overpopulation becomes a problem for this planet.
It is the thoughts and feelings as impetus and drive that impels certain problem actions and activities that overpopulation becomes a problem.
It is the current needs, values and wants of man in the form of ego boosting, materialistic temptations and power lust which is incompatible with the natural order that overpopulation becomes a problem.
It is the byproduct and waste from our everyday life and industrial activities that is choking this planet that overpopulation becomes a problem.
If we stopped all human activities and got people to just take a breather and sit down for 1 hour and turn off every industrial process, transportation, power, extraction, mining, power plants, factories and what have you how much waste, pollution and dangerous gases would seize to be created and thus cleaner air.
If every man, women and child immigrated to another planet right now although this is just an example and earth was just left to its natural order for a thousand years how much prestine and beautiful this world and nature will inevitably become or at least much better than what it is now.
So I think we need to take the totality of Billy and the Plejaren statements and also read between the lines before we come to our conclusions
Matt lee |
Scott
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| | Posted on Monday, February 29, 2016 - 08:12 pm: |
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Matt, if we were living by the Creational recommendations, there would not be 10 Billion people living on earth...we have seriously upset the natural balance purely based on the numbers alone for this size planet. |
Cpl
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| | Posted on Monday, February 29, 2016 - 11:00 pm: |
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Matt, let's look at your points one by one to see if we can clarify this for you.
"Put it this way the 7 WUV Billy talks about comes in a package meaning it is because of the destructive activities such as mining and extraction and the use of fossil fuel among so many other destructive actions of man that overpopulation becomes a problem
I mean if we all lived like the indigenous aborigines and Amazon tribes without greed and the current economic, political, religious, technological and financial system would we even have the current environmental woes that we have now."
Indigenous people do indeed have their problems when they overpopulate. They move into, invading, other villages, killing villagers there for their primitive resources. An expanded village, in population terms, has to move on, and slash and burn etc. This is even today a problem in native areas. I haven't exactly calculated it out, but it is very likely that 8 billion indigenous people on this planet would indeed rape and despoil it just as we are, just in different more primitive ways. Imagine 8 billion people trudging daily through forests hunting for food. In Australia the aborigines haven't had this problem because they live in a naturally very inhospitable or challenging bush country. There just are not the resources in the outback or bush to feed massive overpopulation so it has never happened. Many indigenous peoples, however, are just as greedy as many in civilization; they certainly understand the problems of greed, ego, power lust, and religions and have to deal with these issues in their own ways. These qualities are not unique to "developed" civilizations. The destruction on nature that 8 billion indigenous people would cause is unimaginable to me. Even the Anasazi in the US SW Chaco Canyon region eventually destroyed all their forests in maintaining their growing population and had to move on only to become virtually lost in history. Local climate change seems to have played a role there too, but their growing demands brought about by an expanding population may well have been at least partly responsible for that.
As for mining, extraction, fossil fuels use etc. these are produced by population expansion -- overpopulation -- via demand, not the other way round. Mining for metals etc. occurs to satisfy or exploit demand of the populace and for no other reason. Also such steps are unfortunately necessary on our path to develop scientifically and get off the planet in spacecraft. The problem is TOO MANY people are demanding these things which is exacerbating the inevitable problems associated with technological development that any developing humanity presumably encounters. While definitely against all mining, I think Samjase mentioned the inevitability of a certain amount of industrial development on the path of human evolution. A certain amount seems inevitable to happen, but obviously it should be kept to an absolute minimum.
gIt is the things we do to this planet and the stuff we produce that overpopulation becomes an issue and not whether there is 2 billion or 10 billion people are living.
It is our parasitical and cancerous way of life that overpopulation becomes a problem for this planet."
We produce the stuff to satisfy the demands of the growing population. If there were only 500 people on the planet there would not be the need to produce stuff in quantities that would harm the planet, but when you multiply that number by 16 million you have massive unsustainable demands put upon the ecosystem. It's pure logistics. We live on a finite planet of finite resources of every kind that can only effectively support so many people. It is when you increase the numbers that the problem emerges, not the other way round as you seem to suggest. Cancer (I know you weren't referring to the disease, but it's a good example) actually is bound to increase with the increase in population due to the lessening of the oxygen content as trees and forests are stripped to supply people with their needs for homes, furniture, fuel (if no oil usage and living as indigenous peoples) and more. Cancer thrives in low oxygen environments. The low oxygen environment is caused by billions of people demanding, in one form or another, energy for their lives. Again if there were only 500 people (extremes make the concept easier to appreciate) there would not be an energy or low oxygen environment problem.
"It is the thoughts and feelings as impetus and drive that impels certain problem actions and activities that overpopulation becomes a problem.
It is the current needs, values and wants of man in the form of ego boosting, materialistic temptations and power lust which is incompatible with the natural order that overpopulation becomes a problem."
Actually, there is ample evidence that population expansion, or overpopulation of more than 3 children per family, occurs in places afflicted with poverty and in undeveloped countries, much more than in developed countries. Poor people want children to gain wealth, to sell, to help or look after them, to work for them etc. So they tend to have large families. Some have even proposed, though I am not sure I agree with it, that increasing the wealth of the poor will lessen the overpopulation problem. You seem to have a somewhat idealized image of indigenous and poor people, but they suffer from the same personal challenges you mention here as all people.
gIt is the byproduct and waste from our everyday life and industrial activities that is choking this planet that overpopulation becomes a problem.h
Waste is indeed a problem, but it is a problem because it is created by the demands and refuse of 8 billion people. Again it would not be a problem if only 500 existed, or say 5 million if we want an industrial civilization that manufactures and produces that kind of waste. I havenft done research on it, perhaps someone here has who can comment, but indigenous people surely have their population limits to growth. You canft have a village in the jungle of a million people. They have to break up and move apart, because each small tribal village needs its space of jungle and plants and room to hunt etc. This is why when they become overcrowded wars and other evils ensue among them too unless retrained by nature as in desert areas. I am sure 8 billion indigenous people would be just as unsustainable as we are.
gIf we stopped all human activities and got people to just take a breather and sit down for 1 hour and turn off every industrial process, transportation, power, extraction, mining, power plants, factories and what have you how much waste, pollution and dangerous gases would seize to be created and thus cleaner air.h
If we did that people would immediately start dying. Others would be reduced to incredible pain and suffering. Thousands in any one country depend upon continuous supplies of electricity and other things just to stay alive. Think hospitals, emergency services, and delicate machine operations for starters. It is reckoned a complete shutdown of electricity in the US alone would result in countless immediate deaths and a complete breakdown of civilization and that it would take at least three years just to start to restore electricity, and countless years to restore civilization, assuming it could be restored in the event of a total shutdown or breakdown of even short duration.
The easiest way of solving these problems you mention is by reducing the population humanely by a voluntary reduction in births across the board for the planet.
Hope this helps you see the true problem is overpopulation which causes these problems via demands put upon the planet, rather than overpopulation coming about due to human failings like ego, greed, religion, power lust etc. that challenge all groups of people.
Of course, overpopulation does arise from a human failing: not correctly perceiving the consequences of population growth. The richer countries were originally not overpopulated and became so after which they generally tended to level off. Throughout history this has generally tended to be the case. Generally, but obviously not always, the richer countries have less of an indigenous or domestic overpopulation problem via population expansion than poorer countries. The richer countries now have the overpopulation problem of poorer peoples actually immigrating into them further exacerbating their overpopulation.
The population logistics on a global scale do not add up; and something has to give. Hopefully the world will wise up to voluntarily limiting births so that we do not experience a collapse of some kind.
Chris
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Getknowledge
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2016 - 04:29 pm: |
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Matt, essentially, you’re saying overpopulation doesn’t exist, thats it's a matter of how we live a.i. “green” and manage (limited) resources, and the real culprit is the world’s wealthiest that produce the most CO2 and waste. Which is true but fundamentally flawed logically.
If the world's wealthiest 16% uses 80% of natural (limited) resources, do the math, divide that equally to humanity; America (6% of the world's pop) would = a 4th world country.
Consuming 'less' won’t diminish the problems of overpopulation, based on finite resources, based on that fact living 'sustainable' is futile.
When we reach 35 billion people, nature and the climate will completely be destroyed, and there'll be an oxygen and an atmosphere collapse, like planet Akart similar to Earth in size.
Dealing with overpopulation isn't just about saving the planet, its Man too who is part of the Earth.
Even the man living in the remote jungle is concerned about overpopulation, same as the wealthy elites.
Even on planet Erra (similar in size to Earth) a highly technological and spiritually evolved society maintain only 500 million people.
The Earth is overpopulated based on having only 12% arable land, the Plejaren have calculated exact measurements of how much land is need to sustain one person abundantly, and for all life, as nature intended.
There is in fact too many people. The more people, the more quality of ALL life diminishes.
The only solution is to implement world wide effective birth control laws until a manageable level is reached according to the size of the planet.
“The Earth can only support, in total abundance, 529,000,000 human beings (same as the global population of the year 1700CE) when the factors such as the amount of fertile arable land available and the required amount per person are taken into account.”
“This tolerable mass was calculated to be 529 million people — a population total that can guarantee all resources would be available in abundance, that nature’s ability for regeneration is preserved and that large areas remain where the animal and plant kingdoms could develop undisturbed.”
“Our planet Earth could support 529 million human beings problem-free. Each and every living being, be it plants, animals or human beings of all races and peoples would have conditions that are fair for all to develop.”
“The more food people take from the farmland and pastures to feed their incessantly growing families, the faster the soil dies and turns into desert or arid wasteland.”
“Man fancies himself as being the crown of Creation. Indeed, he believes that by having the capability to think he is allowed to regard himself as superior to everything else. Thus, he believes he is entitled to permit planetwide, human overpopulation, and that he can ignore the laws and directives of nature and trample them with his feet.”
Tien
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Newinitiation
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2016 - 05:54 pm: |
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Scott good point that is not lost on me
The point that I wanted to home in on wasn't so much the number of people living per se but why GW is a problem when its not so much about the numbers of people that contribute towards it but what they do that is causing the problem.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2016 - 10:39 pm: |
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Hi Chris I hope you don't mind the simplicity of my response as due to time constraints I am responding on the fly.
You made some obvious but very good points that I mostly agree with.
As it stands what I still think the crux of the issue is, although it is a major factor, isn't so much the number of people living as opposed to their thoughts, feeling and actions that ultimately contributes towards all the ills we now face such as GW.
If 1 million people in Africa leads an agrarian lifestyle but 500 people in the west were running an armament manufacturing plant and nuclear powerplant who among these two would do more damage to the planet.
I guess what exists now exists because of good reasons and its all part and parcel of our evolution and development we had to, step by step, have but just on pure academic argument I am of the view that its not so much about the number of people but what they end up doing to this planet in simple terms.
Sure I do understand that the more people there are the more human needs have to be fulfilled to survive and the more strain on earth they'll put so there is no denying this fact and I can't argue against Billy or the Plejaren's recommended 500 million to 1 billion calculated based on how much arable land is available and so on.
Matt lee |
Corey
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2016 - 12:09 am: |
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Climate change threatens staple African crops, and there may be upcoming food shortages:
http://news.yahoo.com/climate-change-threatens-african-crops-191930333.html
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Corey
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 - 03:58 pm: |
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These are all positive (+)/even though it does not deal with the core issue of our planet's overpopulation problem.
http://www.businessinsider.com/europe-renewable-energy-grid-problem-2016-3
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/states-team-up-to-take-on-the-fossil-fuel-industry/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/16-states-announce-coalition-fight-climate-change-progress-223311129.html
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Corey
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2016 - 07:26 am: |
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(Scott, can you post this corrected post instead of the other one in queue? Thanks) Deals with future population growth and the links to water stress:
http://www.businessinsider.com/1-bilion-asians-face-water-shortage-by-2050-2016-3?r=UK&IR=T
http://www.voanews.com/content/study-water-stress-in-asia-2pm-embargo/3261385.html
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Corey
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| | Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2016 - 10:23 pm: |
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Does not deal with the core issue(s) of overpopulation, but does deal with the core issue of the precedent of the American government historically tabling another humanitarian crisis, that of the existential, and extreme negative (-) of human slavery, and this may be done to climate change as well:
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a43648/climate-change-slavery/
9:118: "And beware of breeding too many of people of your kind (human beings) so that the breadth of the earth does not become too narrow for you and there is no longer any refuge for you on it; therefore do not turn in pity to those who want to create descendants if there are too many of all the people of your kind (humankind),otherwise a cataclysm (catastrophe) is unavoidable when the appearance (nature) turns against you and you can no longer do anything about it; truly, the number of all people of your kind (humankind) is restricted for your world, but as you exceed the number then calamities of all kinds sweep over you, which you can no longer control."
9:118: "Und hütet euch davor, dass ihr Euresgleichen (Menschen) zuviel zeugt, auf dass euch die Erde in ihrer Weite nicht zu eng wird und es euch darauf keine Zuflucht mehr gibt; also kehrt euch nicht im Erbarmen zu jenen, die Nachkommenschaft zeugen wollen, wenn alle Euresgleichen (Menschheit) zuviel sind, denn sonst ist eine Umwälzung (Katastrophe) unaufhaltbar, wenn sich das Aussehen (Natur) gegen euch wendet und ihr nichts mehr dagegen tun könnt; wahrlich, die Zahl aller Euresgleichen (Menschheit) ist für eure Welt beschränkt, doch so ihr die Zahl überschreitet, bricht Unheil aller Art über euch herein, dem ihr nicht mehr Herr werdet."
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-The number restricted for our planet is <529,000,000> million human-beings. And if our planet's citizens unfortunately do not HEED this warning, then all of the threatening terrible things, death, and calamities mentioned in GOT 9:119-9:129 will invariably come to pass!
Salome
"Goblet of the Truth" verse 9:118. Copyright FIGU/BEAM, published in Canada by the FIGU-Landesgruppe Canada.
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Corey
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I think it was KB block 2 that claims that Mecca will be where the north pole is in 800 years (if memory serves). Seems this is happening slowly already:
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/scientists-blame-earths-mysterious-wobble-141842900.html
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Newinitiation
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| | Posted on Monday, April 11, 2016 - 08:04 am: |
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Hi Corey isn't mecca in Saudi Arabia
That green arrow is pointing to Canada I think unless my eyes are cross eyed.
Hehe
Matt lee |
Corey
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Matt Lee: Good one, LOL. 
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Kenneth
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Corey,
As far as Mecca being where the North Pole is 800 years from now; that sounds about right, as I recall.
Now, the attached website, the rational for the Earths wobble according to the Earth Scientists today is due to droughts and melting ice flows; that sounds a little too clinical. The Earth was wobbling over 11,500 years ago.
As discussed before, the Earth's "Wobble" started when the "MU", Cosmonaut guided asteroid slammed into Atlantis.
As you recall, Earth scientists could not figure out how "Ice-man" actually died until the Plejaren/Billy provided the factual truth. Someone even jumped the gun and made a movie for TV depicting how Ice-man was shot in the back with an arrow by others attacking him.
Back to the "Wobble"; This website pretty much describes what actually happened; allegedly, as MH would say, because I was not there.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Atlantis
Sincerely
Kenneth |
Corey
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Kenneth: thanks for the history lesson, and the link.
Salome
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Corey
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Thought this was important to post, new cables show severe water shortages happening now, and in the future, enough to destabilize many regions:
Snippet: In a 2014 speech, U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said food and water scarcity are contributing to the “most diverse array of threats and challenges as I’ve seen in my 50-plus years in the intel business.
“As time goes on, we’ll be confronting issues I call ‘basics’ resources—food, water, energy, and disease—more and more as an intelligence community,” he said.
http://www.newsweek.com/middle-east-water-crisis-spreads-united-states-447401
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Intelligence services may be beginning to cognicize the repercussions of food, water, and energy shortages, as well as, an increase in vector-bourne illnesses, which could turn first world countries into third world countries quite rapidly, as well as, generate further sources of conflict. Time is pressing to connect the dots that the root causes of all these dilemmas is population levels.
The FIGU recommended rate for living human-beings on this planet = <529,000,000> million human-beings. World governments need to realize that this number must be humanely reached as soon as possible, all life, and all life-forms depend on our planet leveling out to this humane number for 12 living people per square kilometer, which is the number distributed to terrestrial humanity to Billy, by the Plejaren federation, and the Arahat Athersata pure spirit level, based on available arable land, on our beautiful blue home planet.
If we cannot collectively amass our intellect, and rationality, and simultaneously call for a halt-in-births worldwide, and switch to the 7 year birth-rate checks for eligible couples, the calamity, disaster, and death will be severe, and future generations of our people will be quite angry, and saddened at all the negative consequences their ancestors (which will be our descendants) will have had to endure as a result. The clock is ticking for present and future quality of life, not only for the current living human-beings, but also the reincarnating human-beings. Irregardless of whatever terrestrial religions claim, you do not just have one life to live on Earth, thus spending eternity in heaven smelling God's feet, or thus spending eternity in hell being tortured with fire and brimstone, the truthly truth is: unless you leave orbit, you will reincarnate on whatever condition of Earth that was left by earlier generations, this applies whether you are an authority, or non-authoritarian, in my eyes, we are all equal, and all equally responsible for what conditions we thrust upon this planet, and our people.
It is time to make the difficult decisions necessary to preserve all life on this planet. Although it would not be easy, ultimately the people of Earth could handle the truth about overpopulation, if it was explained just so. I think this planet, and our people, are worth making the necessary, and difficult decisions, as well as, fighting for species conservation is past due, do you?
Intelligence services of Earth may thus need to wake up their respective governments about the severity of the dangerousness of terrestrial overpopulation, and could draw on their expertise of data collection to do so. Our planet desperately needs guardians of the Earth, and the time is now. Hazy fabulations (Gods and other dieties of yesteryear) will not save our societies, it is up to terrestrial humanity to solve it's own problems in a mature, and humane fashion, and maintain the dignity necessary to fight for species preservation. I do not want to watch my starving people die of starvation, and thirst, while they are helpless to feed their 4 small children, because everything is rationed because the Henoch prophecies are unfolding in the future. I have very little attachments, I am not married, and my daughter has almost reached adulthood, but the duality is I have great attachments, the entire Earth is my planet, and terrestrial humanity are my people, and we need to mobilize civilization itself, before the great light of civilization becomes extinguished.
These difficult decisions will require great courage, and aspiration for a better future, and if I didn't think terrestrial humanity (authoritarian, or non-authoritarian) possessed these virtues, I would not speak up in the first place, I would just keep my head down among the masses, remain an outcast, and accept my death with honour quietly, to simply reincarnate and make a difference in a future lifetime, when it might be easier to be understood, but I think terrestrial humanity (both authorities/non-authorities) possesses these virtues, and we are all worth saving. This is a worst-case-scenario pending disaster situation we find ourselves in today in 2016, and this requires a contingency plan, which are Old Lyrian recommendations that are crazy enough to work!
Salome
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Corey
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| | Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 02:11 pm: |
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How much destruction would it take for the CIA, and other Earth intelligence entities to take notice of the Meier case, and want to lend a helping hand? I currently do not possess the answer to this question. If a fourth world war would envelop the Earth with all it's destructive power, or if ISIS suddenly went on a worldwide "Great Jihad", or if more countries suddenly began experiencing food and water shortages due to population levels and desertification, or natural catastrophes that claim large amounts of Earth lives were to suddenly occur, these Earth intelligence agencies suddenly might exclaim "We should have listened to Billy Meier, what on Earth are we going to do now?!"
Unlike the masses, who have the luxury of living behind the veil of ignorance, Earth's intelligence agencies know first-hand about threats, and extreme events facing our planet on a daily basis, and they know all about worst-case scenario planning, because this is their job, duty, and they took whatever oath necessary to perform their tasks to the best of their ability. It is prudent that the next step in our planet's evolutionary cycle is to listen to Meier's recommendations for gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit, the places of fulfillment of guidelines, and the birth-stop and 7 year birth-rate checks, from the highest planetary decree before the worst prophecies come true, and this is my dream I carry around with me on a daily basis, and I will not give up on it.
These prophecies affect Earth's food and water security, national security, atomic weapons security, energy security, and terrestrial planetary security for the forseeable future. This is probably the last post I will make about it, however, I have made my case, which stands as a matter of public record here on the FIGU forums for future terrestrial humanity to realize, it is up to Earth's intelligence agencies to decide if they want to help us save the future, before disaster strikes us all. I am not afraid to die, but I am afraid to live, and reincarnate on a planet where the worst changeable prophecies were to come true, and if they do come true, it will be an Earth tragedy of the highest magnitude.
Salome
Corey
 
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Stefan_z2
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Post Number: 76
Registered: 12-2014
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Hi,
Let me cheer everybody up a bit. I would call the findings of that study good news. Kissing goodbye to unsustainable energy generation within 10 years is here now on the records declared as perfectly feasible, assuming adequate will and follow through by decision makers.
http://www.sussex.ac.uk/newsandevents/?id=35187
Does that read familiar for you? It did for me. During the time of the last major accident with nuclear plants in 2011, Billy and Ptaah had several conversations about that current totally irresponsible way of generating energy. When on 3rd 2011 during the 521st official conversation discussing the matter, Billy stated…
http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/sonder-bulletin/2011/nr-62/521-kontakt?page=0,2
Grossmäulig wird von höchstmöglicher Sicherheit in bezug auf die Atomkraftwerke geredet und am Weiterbetrieb derselben noch für längere Zeit festgehalten, anstatt sie raschmöglichst stillzulegen, was innerhalb von 8–10 Jahren möglich wäre, wenn entsprechend schadstofffreie Kraftwerke mit erneuerbaren Energien gebaut würden, wie eben Hitzekraftwerke mit Erdhitze aus der Tiefe des Planeten, worüber wir schon beim 516. offiziellen Kontaktgespräch am 14. März 2011 gesprochen haben.
There is talk in a loudmouthed way about best feasible safety in relation to nuclear power plants and sticking to their continued operation for a long time, rather than quickly decommissioning them, which would be possible within 8-10 years, if corresponding emission-free power plants would be built with renewable energies, such as heat plants utilizing earths heat from the depths of the planet, which we had already spoken about during the 516th official contact conversation.
As Corey has just written, our planet can (AND SHALL) be a much better place, as soon as we, the ones who care, succeed to catch way more people’s attention for all the richness and importance of information contained in the spiritual teaching and the accompanying material kindly shared by FIGU and discussed by us in the wide open. As student of the teaching you all know already that it is recommended that we cultivate our own personal dream(s), nurture it with frequent positive thoughts about it. Doing that steadfastly and with confidence in the might of the thoughts will with certainty dramatically increase the chances of it becoming a reality in the not too distant future. Hey, by now we know already that it has worked out well for us for many smaller and quite some major objectives in our life.
And while again at the topic of geothermal energy. The best way of using that on our and other planets while us still in the pre-electrons technology era is supposed to be deep drilling for high temperature, binary geothermal processing. The following research progress promises to accelerate the deep drilling by a factor of 10 and to also considerably lower the one-time cost for establishing new plants:
http://news.mit.edu/2016/paul-woskov-explores-new-path-through-earth-crust-0412
Salome,
Stefan |
Corey
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Post Number: 1165
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Monday, April 18, 2016 - 01:27 pm: |
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Stefan: it would be so wise if our planet could desperately shift to world-wide limitless geothermal energy production soon, using Woskov's microwave drilling method's, the potential for revolutionizing our energy production to sustainable is really there. Those links were a good read, very informative!
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Corey
Member
Post Number: 1167
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2016 - 06:28 am: |
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In India 330 million people are affected by severe water shortages by severe drought: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-36089377
And in the Mekong delta in Vietnam more then half a million households are without fresh drinking water, and are experiencing food shortages, and more then a million hectares of crops have been destroyed due to lack of water: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davisbrett/2016/04/20/mekong-delta-drought-crisis-a-climate-change-security-risk-in-the-making/#deb6c084a39b
As is the case in India, which is a common terrestrial problem, when times are good, and Earth's natural weather patterns which produce regular monsoons, thus water is abundant, the population grows exponentially as a result because terrestrial humanity lives in a sense of false security that everything is fine, and terrestrial humanity is uninformed about the necessity of controlling population numbers by interstellar collaborative recommendations of <529,000,000> million human-beings. When cause and effect is fulfilled, and Earth's natural weather patterns change, and the monsoons cease, terrestrial humanity is thus suffering from water shortages, and as a materializing effect, food shortages, which can result in panic, or even worse, calamity, disaster, and great amounts of death. This is only compounded when you consider how many countries are over-pumping their water wells/aquifers because of growing populations. Whether you realize I am telling the truth or not, glimpsing into the effects of Earth's overpopulation problems into 3rd world countries, is like glimpsing into the future of the 1st world countries, the so-called developed countries of Earth who also do not control their population, that will sooner or later will suffer the same fate of food and water shortages, desertification, calamity, disaster, and death.
Earth will have to cross this threshold as a collective learning experience in the future, which may be forged from our planet's peoples deaths' as part of the collective learning experience, or not, depending on how logical we can become by instituting a world-wide halt-in-births, and the 7 year birth-rate checks, and how fast we can mobilize civilization to do this, and for this to happen, we will have to shatter Earth's false sense of security before the deaths do.
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Stefan_z2
Member
Post Number: 84
Registered: 12-2014
| | Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2016 - 11:16 pm: |
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Hi,
It is reassuring to read confirmation in
http://ns.umich.edu/new/releases/23729-climate-change-what-makes-us-care
that facts and knowledge about the nature of problems do actually make a difference. Equally interesting is the acknowledgement that too much focus on the biophysical and thus technocratic dimension alone is shrinking public engagement. Dehumanizing is indeed a good word for it. It is for a reason that Billy never forgets to add drastic and touching descriptions when warning about the looming trouble in his regular articles or those of explicitly prophetic nature.
Salome,
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