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Kenneth
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Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2016 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Speaking of the Clinton's:

Kenneth:
G-man; you once told me about the murder of a man in Washington DC that was believed to be Hillary's lover or maybe even the father to her child; you also told me that your investigation found out that Bill Clinton was sterile, is that why this man had to die?
Ken

G-man:
“Vince Foster – an aide to Clinton (and Chelsea’s father) – got on the “outs” with the Clinton's and threatened to “spill the beans on Bubba and Bubbette. He was “mysteriously” killed and the body was dumped in Fort Marcy (sp – Marcie?) Park in D.C. Those who piss off the Clinton's are typically rubbed out – it’s their ‘m.o.’.” Bubba Clinton is in fact sterile.
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Newinitiation
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Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2016 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No worries Kenneth
BTW it has a good ring to it as if being initiated into a Pokemon character.
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Corey
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Posted on Friday, July 29, 2016 - 02:55 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MsMichelle: I think your opinion that "some intentionally made it their mission to discredit BEAM's words regarding the Obama administration...which caused many of 'our failures' on a massive global level." may be spot on, maybe this was the reason for causing Obama's brainwashing. I think your outlook about making massive strides in your consciousness is the correct one to possess, after all, it is the evolutionary gains we make in this life (in our consciousness) that really counts, and: according to Billy life and death are an inseparable oneness, and based on this fact, my thoughts are: if the collapse of the US, and the forthcoming civil wars means some of us from the forums die in the aftermath, it's possible that the new reincarnating personalities can benefit from the work we are doing in our current life. I just hope the following reincarnations for everyone are still livable, and the Earth is not completely destroyed.

Joe: To be fair, I am not really well-versed in Obamacare details, I have only done my civic duty to adjust my life to what is legally required of me, without looking into the nuances of Obamacare, and how it affects the rest of my country, but no one has responded to you, with their opinions, so I thought I would give it a go: Obamacare has worked out real good for me personally, as I possess employee health-insurance, but I hear both sides of the spectrum, ranging from many compliments, to many complaints about it from my fellow countrymen, and countrywomen. The USA is heavily divided over Obamacare, some people like the fact that you only have to work 30 hours a week to be mandatorily offered health insurance from your employer, and they like the fact that there are no pre-existing conditions, and you can no longer be dropped for any reason, and you can carry your dependents' coverage until they are 28 years old. The biggest complaints I hear of are from people who do not have employer-offered health insurance, and those that are on their own to pay for their own health insurance: the fact that there are very high deductibles on most plans offered through the health care exchanges, and many health insurance companies are losing money now, so they either raise their premiums to an unaffordable level, or get out of the game altogether, withdrawing their services from the health care exchanges, forcing people to find another carrier, to receive the state subsidies, found only on the health care exchanges. Another complaint I hear is: how the cost of health care (hospital bills for people) has increased dramatically under Obamacare, but IMO this is a symptom of a much larger problem.

From what I can tell, there are about 20 million more people in the US that have health insurance coverage, then from before the Obamacare days, which is a good amount of people, but less then it would have been if the left had done a "universal" style of health care, such as Europe, or Canada has, which was an option at one point, but the left scrapped it, much to my dismay. To be fair, I don't know if this "universal" style would realistically work with the US health care system though, without a total revamp of the health care system, as, unlike Europe, health insurance companies are not able to negotiate to lower drug prices with drug companies, and the cost of health care, and drug prices are astronomical in the US, for a variety of reasons, and the system is beginning to crash, which is not really entirely a reflection of Obamacare, from my understanding, much is a symptom of "back-door" deals from the Bush administration (see Michael Moore movie: Sicko [which was filmed before Obamacare became law, but from my understanding, the Bush back-door deals are laws as well, and Obamacare works in conjunction with these said laws, because they were in place before Obama assumed the Presidency.).

I pay attention to drug prices, because, to put it into perspective, the one medication I take, has increased from $800 a month, to $1500 a month during the Obama administration, but much of this is because of the Bush administration. But I can say this much, because of Obamacare, my health insurance has to cover this medication each month, with my out-of-pocked cost only being a cheap co-pay of $35, and there is nothing my health insurance can do about it, except cover the cost for me each and every month. However, I do wish it would go back to the Europe style of negotiating drug prices, to lower the cost, so people like me do not crash the system.

You may have opened a "pandora's box" asking about Obamacare on the forums, this is a heated topic in my country, and although I distance myself from politics, "in theory" if I have to choose, I lean to the left, (except for immigration, and refugee issues, and religious fanaticism), so some may disagree with my opinion, but as I said, Obamacare has worked out good for me personally, but if someone from the right gets into the White House, they will not keep what is good about Obamacare, and fix what it not good, they will scrap the whole thing altogether.

I'm not personally voting for Clinton, nor am I voting for Trump, so whatever negative repercussions there are for whichever one of them assumes power, I will just have to live with the negative, and so may the rest of the Earth.
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Salome/Corey Müske
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Kenneth
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Posted on Friday, July 29, 2016 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Like Michael Horn says, "Vladimir Putin is not boy-scout; but he’s obviously and honestly tried to communicate to the US that he doesn’t desire to engage in the dead-end, mutually suicidal confrontation".

From my point of view, Vladimir has been very clear and careful how he has worded his conversation points. He appears to be level headed; he also appears to speaks the truth. Putin does not want war; to the contrary, the U.S. keeps pushing towards that end.

America has been at war in the Far East for 15 years now, ever since 9-11-2001. For as long as the United States has been a country, we have been at war 93% of the time; whether we like it or not, the U.S. is a war machine! This is driven today by the Military Industrial Complex, (M.I.C.).

M.I.C. is in it for the money (greed, power and status), they (many organizations) are driven and directed by the Government within our Government and the tip of this spear is the CIA who is also being directed by the so called inner circle; the U.S. president is only the point man.

The Military-industrial Complex is fueled by a conveniently ambiguous and unseen enemy; the terrorist, which was actually cultivated by the U.S. Inner Circle utilizing the M.I.C. to perpetuate war for the sole purpose of control and global domination.

The outgoing President Dwight Eisenhower warned of the Military Industrial Complex, which is the close relationship between the government and its defense industry.

The M.I.C. does not care about human lives as long as it furthers it goals of conquest and control. The M.I.C. also has influence with the Vatican and various churches, religion is also one of its tools.

As yourself, why would the U.S. be sending missionaries around the world to be Christianize other populations? This action directs the people of that country away from self-fulfillment and dependency on a non-existent god.

When the dependency on the non-existent god is established; then rolls in aid in the form of food supplies, Army Core of Engineers, etc.; so they for the most part stop farming; then the U.S. military is sent in for their own protection to establish a so called democracy. Now these good people or country are dependent on two more fronts; hence they are now covertly under control of another country and on their welfare; namely the U.S.

If this dominated country comes to their senses and does not want any of these offerings, the military is there to change their minds in many different ways.

To be clear; I'm not anti-military or anti America. My point is; we cannot keep running is this direction without consequences.

Yes it is up to the people to elect the proper leaders into office; conversely, we the people are only electing the puppets; the Puppet Masters are not elected officials; they stay in the background out of site for the most part. The big question is; how do you unseat the Puppet Masters that have ALMOST total control over everything that happens?

Kenneth
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Norm3
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Posted on Friday, July 29, 2016 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bernie Hot Mic Proves He Was Never a Real Candidate.

https://youtu.be/XNE_cjSFCXU
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Kenneth
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Posted on Friday, July 29, 2016 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you kidding me!

This Obama speech was given at the Bilderberg Group conference in Brussels, Belgium, on May 23, 2014. Obama's comments are chilling - THIS IS THE NEW WORLD ORDER that has been percolating through a number of American presidencies and other world leaders, and now seems to be coming into fruition


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfRtbIQ1kTw&feature=youtu.be

America must wake up! I thought the President swears an oath to uphold the laws to the best of his ability.

Sent by a German friend after the YouTube version from the US was pulled.

Kenneth
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Michael_horn
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Posted on Friday, July 29, 2016 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kenneth,

YES, someone IS "kidding"...meaning that they excluded what he was saying before that - and I'll bet on it - went something like, "We've been told that..." or "We must' believe or accept that..."
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Norm3
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Posted on Friday, July 29, 2016 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Putin: US / NATO is irreversibly pushing the world towards nuclear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PgSX-WD96Q
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Norm3
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Posted on Friday, July 29, 2016 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

French media bans terrorists' names, photos — but they’re lying about the reason
http://youtu.be/NyT3MPus1cQ

Corsican terrorists issue warning — to MUSLIM terrorists. Are vigilantes on the rise?
http://youtu.be/6RGvQEIEaZk
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Cpl
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Posted on Friday, July 29, 2016 - 10:48 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kenneth,
That is completely out of context and so has no validity as is. He could easily have said before or after that that is not what we want. You need a full excerpt of what was said there.
Chris

Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either.
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Newinitiation
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Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 12:08 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kenneth it is my opinion only but that G man's statement about Vince Foster being Chelsea's dad is rubbish.

That G man whoever he may be should stop this idiotic rumour mongering and state the facts as they actually are.
I am no fan of Hillary and Bill Clinton but record needs to be set straight as they actually are.

Chelsea is definitely not Vince Foster's daughter period.

Matt lee
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Hendrikus1970
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Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 03:09 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What i dont understand is that here on figu nobody talks about the Kazarian jews ( not real jews but converted to Judaism) Its them that control our leaders in the west and its them that are pushing for war with Russia and China. We can talk a lot about Obama, Hillary,Trump or any other leader in Europe but the truth is that they are al brainwashed or powergreedy idiots. If we or the Plejaren realy want to save Humanity then we have to start at our shadow governments.Putin is by far the smartest leader in the world and i wonder how much he knows about the true bosses of the West
Here is a great vid of Jack Otto that explains a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TVd8ovSPl4&list=PL5vbKwBTcXst5Lo0PqjepJTqHGB7hPKNA&index=3
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Joe
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Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 03:13 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Corey,

I appreciate the reply you have provided me regarding Obamacare. Thank you.

Kenneth,

I think that YouTube video link that you have provided is misleading because Barack Obama's speech was taken out of context. If you scroll down and read "Craig Ewoldt's" comment then this is what Barack Obama actually said:

"And it was here in Europe, through centuries of struggle, through war and enlightenment, repression and revolution, that a particular set of ideals began to emerge, the belief that through conscience and free will, each of us has the right to live as we choose, the belief that power is derived from the consent of the governed and that laws and institutions should be established to protect that understanding. And those ideas eventually inspired a band of colonialists across an ocean, and they wrote them into the founding documents that still guide America today, including the simple truth that all men, and women, are created equal. But those ideals have also been tested, here in Europe and around the world. Those ideals have often been threatened by an older, more traditional view of power. This alternative vision argues that ordinary men and women are too small-minded to govern their own affairs, that order and progress can only come when individuals surrender their rights to an all-powerful sovereign. Often this alternative vision roots itself in the notion that by virtue of race or faith or ethnicity, some are inherently superior to others and that individual identity must be defined by us versus them, or that national greatness must flow not by what people stand for, but what they are against."
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Msmichelle
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Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 06:48 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm so disappointed at how easily we are "fooled" into "believing" anything on YouTube also known as "You Fools"? "You Fools" is a great outlet for movies, music videos, and some valid "topics" however, It does not replace our "Brains", "Minds" and our responsibility to research, research and research.
MsMichelle
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Kenneth
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Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael, Cory,

It was suspected that this 19 seconds of the Obama speech was taken out of context, thanks for helping me locate the truth; much appreciated.

Sincerely
Kenneth
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Kenneth
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Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joe,

Thanks for helping me locate the truth on this particular Obama speech; as it was taken out of context, it was very disturbing.

Thanks again
Sincerely
Kenneth
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Bronzedesk
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Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear Msmichelle,

No matter what... the choice cannot be taken away, each individual spirit form is responsible for its own choice to change or not. The only puppy when it comes down to it in this lifetime is my own choice and no one else's!

However, nowhere in the book does it say that we have to like it, just to deal with it on our own terms not forcing others to change as we have. It's called unconditional love...without a price tag! But again the example must be given in order for them to ultimately make a change or not. Hope that makes sense?

bronzedesk (Mat)
And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time.
~ T. S. Eliot
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Joe
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Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Msmichelle,

One thing is for sure about YouTube, there is a lot of misinformation, disinformation and garbage entertainment. I sometimes wonder how YouTube manages to store all those videos. Looking for interesting videos on YouTube is almost like looking for a needle in a haystack.
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Patm
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Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2016 - 08:16 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"The 'Free Community of Interests' is an internationally active, non-religious and non-political community of like-minded human beings who are looking for the truth and seek to align his/her thoughts, feelings and actions to natural creational guidelines."

Since we are non-political the recommendation is to inform, so each individual can work out in his/her own consciousness the thoughts, feelings and actions they determine for him/herself.

In the United States there are several (not just 2) choices this election year for president. Personally I can only recommend each individual do the work investigating/determining for yourselves who would best represent us as a nation of human beings. Many are not even aware of any other possible candidates besides the main 2 candidates that the news organizations focus on (many with their own agendas), so you hear everyone around you fighting over the less of two evils.

A good place to start looking at ALL the possible candidates and the platforms they promise (?!?!) to stand for is:
http://2016.presidential-candidates.org/

I wish for us all individually to make our own most intellectual, rational and logical choice in the upcoming election. Please don't just sit back and expect others to make the choice for you and don't just be a blind follower. The effect is what we will live with for the next four CRITICAL years.

Thanks & Salome,
PatM
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Msmichelle
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Bronzedesk, your post (179) absolutely makes sense..however, at the same time, "You Fools" has a lot of garage, so my point, Please make sure the gold is not garbage, by doing some research. Not only regarding "You Fools", but the other social medias site as well.
MsMichelle
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Norm3
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The Vatican Calls for World Government
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2011/10/25/the-vatican-calls-for-world-government/#3e3b94a4492e
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Posted on Monday, August 01, 2016 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Overcoming The Obstacles To World Peace

First and foremost:
Ours is a time of excesses, the most damaging of which is overpopulation:
The more people - the more confrontations.
Even more so as many nations have become “melting pots of people of different cultures” (multi-cultural-ism). There is no ‘one size fits all’: Their different traditions and religions give rise to different sets of rules jeopardizing national/global unity.

If we have a closer look at the confrontations in our world:
Most were/are based on national and /or individual self-interests and pragmatism.
E.g. Kenneth mentioned the MIC being a major influence… political leaders being only (their) “point man”.

Secondly many world leaders (were and) act like (cunning) lawyers trying to “outwit” their opponents.
“Presenting the truth as it best befits the national interest” is their main job.
They swear an oath to that.
Result:
Even if they reach “declarations of unity” with other countries, they are short-lived:
They have to be, because contracts solely based on expediency work “for a limited time only”.
Lasting peace is based on virtue but not the "virtue" they proclaim **).

Thirdly, good intentions of leaders may not be liked by other politicians, esp. opposition parties.
Hence they may be challenged, vilified, overruled or result in “compromises”.

Fourthly, we live in a time where our present leaders are snowballed with “precedents of their predecessors”:
Samples: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/14665.html#POST78246
See as well *)

So even if a leader comes to office with the best of intentions – when faced with political opportunism he may have difficulties to realize his well meant objectives.
He may as well be faced with the illegalities of past leaders / governments and this may not allow him to decide in a in a “globally honest” way:
He may well think that his “confessing past mistakes of previous leaders” could weaken the standing his country has in our world and, last not least, his personal political standing, too.

The masses may judge their leaders harshly for their “weaknesses”.
But sometimes the weaknesses they perceive are rather “systemic” than being related to the person (e.g. jealousy of fellow politicians, party-system, influence of MIC, defending mistakes of past leaders etc.)

What then is mostly missing to create peace in our world?

A common “virtuous” philosophy **).
A philosophy that goes down to the roots of the human being.
A philosophy that has a truly universal aspect.
Anything less cannot create true friendship.

The many natural disasters and political/religious conflicts we witness, they arise so that mankind re-evaluates the way they think..
If they would trace the origins of their thinking they would find that often it is rooted in superiority.
They may express this “superiority” in many forms e.g. as “diplomacy, hiding self-interest”, as “forcing others to conform”, as “national pride, nationalism”, as “a belief in religious superiority”, as “calling others heathens, primitive etc.”, as “creating idols and elites” or even as outright “hate, disgust”.

As long as we educate this “superiority” / “unilateralism” in schools, politics and religion our world will not find peace but stir up aggression.
To express it differently:
As long as we use our free will to resist nature’s swinging wave, we cannot reap the rewards of a spirit of oneness, balance and teamwork.
This spirit underlies all laws of nature:
To create lasting peace on Earth humans should - strange as this may seem in today's world – take these laws as their guide for forming their thoughts.

By doing so, we - as BEAM says - “…also nourish the source of the oneness of the universe and bring forth new connections to anything and everything existent, whereby you also fulfill your own dreams, which in turn have their true origin in the source of the universal oneness …”

“Through this oneness-connectedness you live and exist with each and everything, so you are not alone and co-exist in everything that is created universe-wide. And if you realize that, human being of the Earth, then you will also be aware that you yearn for this yourself and that it is good to know this and to create that which is good from this.
Because when you embrace the source of the oneness of the universe, and understand that you yourself are a part of the universal oneness, then everything reaches to you to the prosperousness – to the boon…”
***)

This oneness-connectedness is the true objective of all life, all being in our universe.
It is the fundamental change in perception and thinking that humanity has to learn to establish lasting peace on our planet:
So our teachers should teach it and our leaders should lead with a spirit of creational oneness not superiority.

Then, as BEAM expresses it brilliantly, our world will be as it should be -

“..When you recognize that you are one if its creations .. by you using the source of oneness of the universe … you are thereto refreshed and thus radiate the won energy and power usefully and creatively in your life and in the surroundings. The creativity is the gift of the creational nature to you; and if you are creative, you are in turn giving everything in this respect to the fellow human being, to everything existent, to all forms of life and altogether to the entire universe.” ***)

There truly is no greater love than the love of Creation.
There truly is no greater peace than living in oneness with creation.

Salome,

Bill


*)
Sample
Western leaders/organisations/media constantly criticize China for abusing human rights.
But in 1838 some 90 % of all males under the age of 40 in the coastal cities of China were drug addicts due to the English (later in unison with France, US and Germany) forcing China to buy their opium (50,000 kg per week).
One wonders why China’s leaders do not use their suffering during the Opium Wars to tell the West to “shut up speaking about human rights”:
They would have every right to reject lessons from those who “for the lucre of gain” massively destroyed the human lives of their citizens.
See e.g. http://www.victorianweb.org/history/empire/opiumwars/opiumwars1.html
(2nd and 3rd paragraph)

**)
True Friends
What makes a “good friend” ?
According to Aristotle there are three types of friendships:
http://cantory.blogspot.com.au/2007/12/aristotle-and-his-view-of-friendship.html
1. Friendship of Usefulness - they are friends that help us in our needs and wants
2. Friends of Mutual Interest - they are friends with which we share a common interest or pleasure.
3. Friends Who Are Good and Alike in Virtue – this is the highest form of friendship:
They are friends not because they are profitable to or bring you pleasures.
They are not just sympathetic but emphatic – they share their sorrows and delights.

A true, virtue based friendship should not only exist between all living beings, it should as well exist between Creation and all living beings.
Aristotle may not have taught the Spirit Teachings.
But he added “Ether “to the 4 earthly elements known to his countrymen (earth, fire, water and air) describing it as “ the universal life force that permeates everything”.
He did not describe it as “spirit” but as fifth essence (= quintessence) which was, given the knowledge and understanding of his fellow countrymen, a well expressed teaching hinting at the creative principle of our universe.

***)
“Source of the Oneness of the Universe” / http://theyfly.com/source-oneness-universe
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2016 - 05:29 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Salome Norm,

Re. "Vatican Calling For World Government" - see as well:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/world/europe/08pope.html?_r=0

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