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    Hugo Member Post Number: 266 Registered: 04-2015 |
"I agree with most of Newinitiation posts. We (USA) destroyed these countries via secret missions, raids, etc, now we (USA) expect them (refugees) to rebuild those countries without help. I also must stress,however, It Is Those "Refugees" fleeing, who must "reconsider" not fleeing, but Defending Their Lands and Resources by any means necessary. The Men of Those Countries Must Step Up and Defend Their Women and Children and Elderly." Msmichelle, I agree they should defend their country but nearly all of the refugees are young men who are (supposedly) fleeing and leaving their families and elderly to defend for themselves. Cowards! Or is it just a welfare money grab? The latter I think. Coward freeloaders!! Help them in their own countries is best and never let an enemy come and live with you because where they come from they see Western nations as the enemy! No wonder Muslims have a decades long track record (in England, Sweden, France, ect) of not working, demanding Sharia law and only dividing those nations with no-go areas. That's because they went for the money and NOT because they wanted to integrate into those Western nations culture and values. Most are incompatible to live in Western nations. Close all borders to them now and stop the spread of damage. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1671 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hugo give me something to go by I just can't vouch for your blanket statement that majority of those refugees are young men. Where did you get the figure and also them chasing after welfare??????? Of course there are some truth to what you say but I think they are exaggerated. I have seen a doco about these asylum seekers and yes they are men of fighting age who've gone through hell to get their family out of the hellhole that they are in and I didn't see any of them equipped with guns to be able to fight back and defend themselves against DAESH/IS scums. So I am stressing that the regular citizen must be equipped and armed to be able to fight back and they can't do this with their bare hands against IS who've been well equipped with sophisticated US and UK weapons provided to them via Saudi Arabia and Turkey. So lets stop blaming the victims and focus on the perpetrators ok? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1672 Registered: 07-2005 |
MsMichelle this is why I stress arming the regular citizens with the means to defend themselves. If it was me in their situation, although words are definitely cheap, I would round up my family and get the hell out of there to seek a safe haven before going back in and enlisting to fight against IS and I would think that some young men with elderly parents and other families may have exactly the same idea. So its horse before the cart therefore don't just leave it to the military to fight the war. When war breaks out, as mad as it is, even children fought in all the wars that we've ever had in the last 100 odd years because they were given the means to shoot so my whole point is if you are given adequate means for self protection you would definitely rise to the challenge and all citizens should've been involved in protecting their country from an external threat. This must have been Assad's fatal flaw of not anticipating what was about to happen to him when even Gaddafi in his address to various Arab leaders foretold what was about to happen after Bush killed Saddam. He should have armed his citizens as best as he could now look what happened. Without Putin Assad would've definitely gone and with it Syria. But if Syria and Assad falls it'll deal a heavy blow to Russia as well on many fronts. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1673 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Michael long time no see If I could just respond to your views I feel that this path of spirituality must leave no stone unturned be they beautiful or ugly. The fact of the matter is even us the supposed student of the spiritual teachings are just human beings and no more or no less than any other with our frailities, faults, weaknesses and what have you who must also go through the arduous process of experiencing every facet of what being a human being is about both negative and positive therefore just as the mundane aspect of the contact notes regarding the group members were included to highlight, as a learning lesson for all, their weaknesses and faults during their own swat and learning and again swat and learning process, we here and every other human beings in the future must go through the same process as they. Obviously being the fortunate few who are lucky enough to find the truth in this particilar incarnation I gather that we must have something to show for in the way of us being more spiritual than the greater masses but the attainment of wisdom is something you work hard to earn but never through osmosis as if just by reading a few books and contact note articles somehow magically will give you that. So I think, be they the ugly side of us, the expression of it here is nothing to be frowned upon as everything is just a process that continually evolves and changes with time. At the moment we are like the infants taking our first steps with all this so Hussein Bolt can patiently wait until we arrive. | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 267 Registered: 04-2015 |
Newinitiation wrote - "I mean C'mon what Hugo said is ridiculous No offense Hugo but let's call an apple an apple and an orange an orange. How in the heck do you jail millions of people entering your country." Newinitiation, you misread what I said in my past posts. I never said to jail all the refugees. I said I would remove and jail all those government members who are behind and for letting them in - First post - "Any Western governments that want to allow them in (impossible to vet them!) should be removed from power." Second post - "And I said on previous page governments who allow this to happen should be removed from power. If I was in charge I would jail them all." And to further my point, in my third post before your previous post was posted I said - "The dark order must be rounded up and jailed for life but it won't happen in our lifetime.  " And I said all the refugees should be booted out by force, not jail - "If I was in charge I would remove every last one of them by force, deadly force if necessary. Use the military, police, ect to boot them all out." | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 268 Registered: 04-2015 |
"Hugo give me something to go by I just can't vouch for your blanket statement that majority of those refugees are young men." Newinitiation, that is not a blanket statement but is the truth. There are dozens of videos showing that the vast majority of refugees coming into the EU are young men. Below is one. Note, these are not the few close up footage's of families the mainstream medias like to show but distance ones that clearly show the makeup of what those refugees are, and many are from Africa. With Open Gates: The forced collective Suicide of European Nations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 174 Registered: 02-2010 |
We all may be heading towards the edge of hypocrisy, misleading posts,emotional outbursts, confusion, personal agendas not align with mission..... IMO.... I agree we ought to ,in the beginning ,just sit back ,relax , read the post and get a feel for the forum before just jumping in and making comments.... I did that in the beginning: I basically read the post and got up the nerve to make some comments.... however,based on the comments I am reading lately especially within the last 2 or 3 years, it's obvious some of us are not reading the BEAM material and books.... personally I do not expect very much from this forum as a whole as a collective to impact major changes in the world but there is great information on upcoming books and I do enjoy reading some of your comments because it does help me to think differently, better , etc... and I do enjoy seeing some of your names especially when you consider the happenings in our world. MsMichelle | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 384 Registered: 07-2006 |
To all Forum Members: The FIGU and its mission has been explained in detail in several articles that have either never been read or it has been a while since they have been read by many on this forum. It is recommended that the following (please) be read and studied regarding several issues that have been brought up on this forum: Overall regarding overpopulation: Fight of the overpopulation - by 'Billy' and FIGU https://www.creationaltruth.org/FIGU/Overpopulation/FightoftheOverpopulation/FightoftheOverpopulation.aspx Specifically regarding humaneness: Humanity and love for the next one - by Barbara Harnisch https://www.creationaltruth.org/FIGU/Overpopulation/Humaneness/HumanityandLovefortheNextOne.aspx Human Rights are Human Duties - by E. Moosbrugger https://www.creationaltruth.org/FIGU/Overpopulation/Humaneness/HumanRightsareHumanDuties.aspx Specifically regarding Torture and the Death Penalty: Torture, Death Penalty and Overpopulation - by 'Billy' and FIGU https://www.creationaltruth.org/FIGU/Overpopulation/TortureandDeathPenalty.aspx Specifically regarding xenophobia and racial hatred: Xenophobia and Racial Hatred - by Barbara Harnisch & Billy Meier https://www.creationaltruth.org/FIGU/Overpopulation/Xenophobiaandracism/XenophobiaandRacialHatred.aspx Human-unworthiness and Hatred - by Philia Stauber https://www.creationaltruth.org/FIGU/Overpopulation/Xenophobiaandracism/Human-unworthinessandHatred.aspx Racism - by Christina Glasser https://www.creationaltruth.org/FIGU/Overpopulation/Xenophobiaandracism/Racism.aspx Racism, neo-Nazism, Extremism, Anti-Semism - by Christian Frehner Neo-Nazism,Extremism,Anti-Semitism.aspx,https://www.creationaltruth.org/FIGU/Overpopulation/Xenophobiaandracism/Racism,Neo-Nazism,Extremism,Anti-Semitism.aspx Our group has translated these articles from FIGU's Swiss-German website specifically for those interested in understanding FIGU's mission (and Campaigns)(note: there may be errors in our translations). Once again, Please take the time to read and understand these very valueful articles. Hope this helps! Salome, PatM | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 269 Registered: 04-2015 |
Are my comments racist? | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 385 Registered: 07-2006 |
One correction: Racism, neo-Nazism, Extremism, Anti-Semism - by Christian Frehner https://www.creationaltruth.org/FIGU/Overpopulation/Xenophobiaandracism/Racism,Neo-Nazism,Extremism,Anti-Semitism.aspx (note:The forum text editor has problems with commas in a url) Thanks & Salome PatM | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 593 Registered: 12-2011 |
Hugo No your comments are not racist.It is how it is perceived. Generally the people that it offends are the real racists. The term has been used incorrectly. joe | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 594 Registered: 12-2011 |
To all. Do not let all the problems of the world affect you. Lead your life the way creation wanted you to live. You will have a lot of negative people around all the time and also it is hard to understand how Governments run a country or shall I say how not to run a country. They are there to strip you of all your savings. I have said in the past that they will have a system that every time you exceed the speed limit you will get a fine. Now all new cars have a black box which will do that. joe | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 270 Registered: 04-2015 |
Votan, I thought some people were thinking my comments about Muslims are racist but Muslims are not a race but a religion. | ||
Historeed Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 09-2008 |
The articles posted by PatM are a great reminder that even though mass movements of migrants/refugees is wrong and unsustainable, we must not forget that these migrants/refugees are still human beings who must be treated as such. Hatred arises from mass migrations of peoples and we should always be on the look out that we don't fall into the trap of hatred. Matthew Reed | ||
Watchdog Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 12-2014 |
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Votan Member Post Number: 596 Registered: 12-2011 |
Hugo Could have fooled me,I thought they were opportunist as they are trying to brainwash other people. I actually feel sorry for them as they have no life at all but to obey . joe | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 271 Registered: 04-2015 |
Historeed, Billy's teachings and article's are great but don't expect people to welcome the destruction of their nation by all these young male Muslim foreigner freeloader scums who mainly only came to scum a free existence off the backs of us, and cause us great trouble as we are seeing. They care not about us, our values and our culture. I won't forget that "these migrants/refugees are still human beings who must be treated as such." Boot them all out by force is what should happen! | ||
Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 483 Registered: 04-2011 |
Re: But if Syria and Assad falls it'll deal a heavy blow to Russia as well on many fronts. Syria needs to hold or could be a heavy blow for Earth If Syria falls Russia will want a slice so will USA Forces will meet in battle Syria falls I would have a plan to to fly south on short notice Study hard ATM I would USA dosnt realise a line is drawn in Syria that can't be crossed without a heavy response Salome Ilovebilly Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them. | ||
Hawaiian Member Post Number: 244 Registered: 05-2011 |
The vast majority of posting are really not effective because of the simple fact that slightly positive neutral endeavors are actually only relevant in the pure spiritual realms where it is processed at its fullest. In the material realms, there are both the positive and negative factors that must be dealt with so that there is a balance between existing in harmony and existing at the expense of others. The use of “negative” force against negative events is logical accordingly to the Psyche book page 160. In my opinion, it concerns not just actions, but also thoughts and the utilization of the half material Subconscious where the memory banks are stored and accessed which are triggered by the material conscious and acted upon by the Subconscious for balance in its own logical application. You will understand this once an intimate relationship has been established between your material conscious and Subconscious. In my opinion and experience of over seven separate occurrences where unwarranted, unjustified actions of others with dire consequences all previewed in dreams prior to actually occurring indicates that the Subconscious has been involved at that level, so instead of hiding or running away as some have suggested, the answer to many of your concerns about WW3 actually lies within yourself. Earthly humanity in all its diversity and origins, have been manipulated and abused throughout history by both internally as well as externally and its creational intent has been violated so many times that “normal” creational justice just does not apply in this case. In my opinion, just following creational logic of maintaining a slightly positive, neutral disposition is simply not enough and Earthly humans (at least the ones who want lasting peace) should also consider the logical self-defense of their half material subconscious and to bypass its responsibility and engage strictly in the slightly positive, neutral endeavors in a war-like abusive environment is illogical because those in power do not recognize or adhere to such weakness, they only understand force, including negative force. However this “negative” against negative forces, that results in a positive balance is acted on directly not by the material conscious, but triggered by it and acted on by the half material Subconscious, so that the material human being is protected to ensure its survivability and spiritual evolution. Emotions, both negative and positive comes from the Subconscious. In my opinion based on personal observations, the material conscious should not engage in dealing directly with negative forces, for doing so will endanger their life, but thinking about the dire circumstances during meditation is often enough to register such logical connections into the memory banks so that it becomes a problem to resolve at a higher plane so long as it has a logical connection to worldly events that threatens the good nature of others. That is why it is so important to use such an approach in this upcoming weekend Peace Meditation where many participating both internally as well as externally have an opportunity to bring lasting peace to this planet. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 1293 Registered: 12-2009 |
"thinking about the dire circumstances during meditation is often enough" This is incorrect, as in Billy's German mediation book he advises to bypass, that is to say, think no thoughts at all during meditation exercises. I have translated snippets of this book in the Meditation archives. This is also reinforced for those that own the "Peace Mediation" booklet, CF advises those that have read the mediation book to follow the principles enclosed within for the Peace Mediation, and for those that have not read the book (language barriers), try not to think any other thoughts then the Old Lyran phrase. Thinking the answers about WW4 coming from inside yourself via the subconsciousness, might be trivial, many might see the possibility of fleeing, or hiding, as an act of self-defense, and in the future for those that choose to stay, an act of self-defense, such as defending your arse in a Civil War, and your families arse will be an act of self-defense. A logical creature will not be able to make sense of the AntiLOGOS anti-creational, anti-logical actions in the upcoming times, and how they will most likely (unjustly/unfairly/criminally) wipe out 2/3 of Earth humanity (this number is in the billions of innocent deaths!). The answers for neutralization methods to avoid WW4 do not only come from the subconsciousness, the neutralization methods are enclosed in Billy's recommendations of gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit, the places of fulfillment of guidelines, and the world-wide birth stop with 7 year birth-rate checks. If anyone is interested, I can provide GOTT verse numbers, where one can read for themself where Billy (and the whole Nokodemion line of 7) indicates the planet Earth should follow creational law of gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit and banishment, as well as, links to humane overpopulation guideline reductions straight from the FIGU material. (I noticed Billy's recommendations are absent from Hawaiian's post). And when it comes to overpopulation reductions, in the words of the pure-spirit-level Arahat Athersata, "there are no half-ways", meaning a genuine planetary halt-in-births for all Earthlings, meaning strict birth-control for everyone, and strict controls on child-bearing for everyone, with strict penalties for offenders. Hugo is also right, Europe should be surrounded by the multinational peacekeeping troop, and the refugees should be deported back to a place where they can't do any harm, Hugo's idea to put them back into the Middle East, where they can re-assimilate back into their own culture is a good idea, or Madagascar, or any other island, or isolated land tract for the terrorists would work too. If the authorities are unable to tell who is "terrorist", and who is "refugee", then it's Madagascar for everyone, disarmed, separated by gender, this is an emergency situation, that requries "emergency self-defense protocols", if the status quo is allowed to be maintained, our planet may find out first-hand how accurate Meier is, especially about the prophecies of Europe falling, the East against the West, as well as the US becoming a land of "muddy water", etc. I meant what I said earlier about the governments of the US/Russia/China should form a trilateral coalition, and deploy the troop to Europe before the situation turns nuclear (weapons falling into the hands of the fanatical warriors of Islam). I also meant what I said, that all peoples of Earth will have to band together to survive the future, but if "popular" thinking prevails, and none of Meier's neutralization methods are allowed to happen, then WW4 will be countryman against countryman, brother against brother, sister against sister, until it encompasses the Earth, with a result of over 6 billion of innocent people are murdered in a nuclear/chemical/biological war (6 billion = 2/3 of 9 billion). Couple all of this devastation with a potential atmospheric collapse, and the potential ocean's global conveyor belt "breakdown", and you have a potential planetary catastrophic situation where the planetary survivors will have to meagerly depend on one another to survive, and this may be difficult to enact if WW4 is allowed to come to fruition. Avoiding this situation, by placing Meier's recommendations into "top priority", as planetary contingency measures, are what both my subconsciousness (Unterbewusstsein), as well as my unconscious (unbewusste), coupled with my logical conscious mind indicate to me that this is the most correct thing our planet can do. Placing a birth-stop when our planet has 9 billion living, breathing human-beings will be much better, then if we have 10 billion, or 15 billion human beings, and doing so we would lessen the planetary collective learning experiences thrust upon us by cause, and effect. This action of a birth-stop is in the best interest of all 9 billion Terrans. About the only thing Hawaiian and I agree on, is that a "neutral-positive" mindset will not avoid WW4, the only possibilities are to initiate Billy's recommendations, thus (in the words of Quetzal in the HP) changing the negative causes that will generate negative effects. It is always good for an individual to try and achieve a neutral-positive mindset, the results of this mindset are very beneficial, and something we Earth worms have to work at, and something we have to work at that yields very beneficial results. And conducting the Peace Meditation will have some beneficial results, but the "meat of the situation" is that we need more, we can read in the HP (from the extraterrestrial Quetzal) that we have to change the negative causes, that will generate negative effects, back into a positive (+)! Because with my passing (my death), I can expect a new becoming (being reborn [law of becoming and passing]),but yet I am afraid to reincarnate into a planet where the effects from the causes of overpopulation, and potential WW4 can last many generations, especially when nuclear weapons may be involved. I also feel sorry for the entire planet Earth's reincarnation environments if these dangerous catastrophes are allowed to continue to unfold! If this happens, we will be a bitter, and desperately learning planet for a long time to come, and we shouldn't have to learn such difficult lessons, when all we have to do, is listen to Meier for once, and learn at a more "natural" pace, in a more "natural" environment, that ensures the proper developmental progress for our beloved planet Earth. Different outlooks, and different opinions can at least let one view all the different takes on this pressing situation, and see all the factors involved, and this is a matter of collective life, and collective death, not just individual life/individual death, and this situation is planetary, and concerns all 9 billion of my people. mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche. consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124 ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216 ----- Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 597 Registered: 12-2011 |
Hawaiian Very interesting,but what can we really do about it. joe | ||
Tethios Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2016 |
Hi all, Has Billy or any of his Plejaren friends mentioned the notion of all countries on Earth joining to form just one nation? Provided, of course, that all those joining will follow the creation law and love? Or am I confused or mixed up with some other contactee... Please advise. | ||
Hawaiian Member Post Number: 245 Registered: 05-2011 |
I have posted previously in brief detail all seven events previewed before actually occurring, but did not see it here. The last one regarding its telenotic influence is a very interesting one since it has ramifications not just for Earth, but outside ET's as well who may still be connected to personalities here via the memory banks. |
