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Author Message Msmichelle Member Post Number: 179 Registered: 02-2010 Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 06:32 am:        Life and Norm...... let's be clear for your information I did not vote for Obama..... secondly the two of you together are full of hypocrisy and decisiveness and no wonder most people leave this forum because of the two of you and your hatred and your superiority complexes.... Life, as you call yourself, you are full of hatred rhetoric against people that are not like you..... I want it to be noted for future Generations that the two of you have secretly attempted to undermine the BEAM material and this mission. MsMichelle Scott Moderator Post Number: 2646 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 08:47 pm:        Please lets get back to the topic Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 593 Registered: 09-2011 Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2016 - 06:50 am:        Those are some weighty words, MsMichelle. I am certain that you mean well, that you work to better the world in your own way. In a similar vein, please be aware that I do likewise. I aim to be very sensitive to this Mission. Betterment of the world is ever on my mind as well. Where we disagree is how to attain this better world. I can only guess what your scheme is - a borderless, raceless, identityless egalitarianism, perhaps? Such is not my scheme. As I have said many times, I value individual and group identities even when they are not my own. I value the differences between us, and often imagine myself in other people's shoes in an attempt to be fair, or even just to get a sense of what it is like to live as someone else. In terms of overpop, the question of fairness often arises when a people first begins to recognize that overpop is an issue. As an example, with white nations the world-over deliberately targeted for diversity in the name of righting racism, these threatened people whose numbers are dwindling fast often express a desire to at least stabilize their population numbers. Open borders, immigration is actually the largest impediment to getting them to accept the idea of self-imposed population limitations. Were other populations, the Japanese or the American Indians for example, similarly accused of all of history's evils and being bred to extinction, I am sure they would feel the same way. Superimposing upon a Nation a borderless, raceless, identityless egalitarianism is antithetical to efforts to convince a group of people to move beyond feeling threatened and on to realistically assessing their environment's human carrying capacity. I feel for the planet and for all the people who live here as much as I feel for myself. If it's love or hatred, relief or frustration that I feel, then I feel it for myself as well. But feelings are not all that drives me. I am trying to navigate these issues realistically, taking into account whom people are, not whom they should be to fit into some utopian scheme. My intention is to work for the betterment of our world - for everyone, just as I'm sure your's is too. Hope that helps. Life Hugo Member Post Number: 284 Registered: 04-2015 Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2016 - 12:43 pm:        Michaelhelfert, well said! MsMichelle has leftist views. Very dangerous people in my opinion. Look what they are doing in the EU and elsewhere. It's not just Merkel's fault but Leftists too for allowing/pushing it to happen. It's no good at all to overpopulate their nations with incompatible undesirables. Billy said it is no good for people's culture to be lost where they feel like strangers in their own country. A sense of belonging to their own is gone. People with leftist views should go live with the refugees in their countries and leave the rest of us alone. Msmichelle Member Post Number: 181 Registered: 02-2010 Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - 04:46 am:        Once again Hugo...you are clueless ....you do not understand the poison of politics..... the arguments and debates about immigration overpopulation has nothing to do with finding a solution ....is about being right... it's about being left and right....blue and red ....black and white .....it is not about Unity or finding a solution ....it is about continuing an ongoing argument for 4, 8, or 200 years in order to avoid finding a solution. ....divisiveness creates monetary value only....Hugo, I'll allow you to enjoy this moment MsMichelle Hugo Member Post Number: 286 Registered: 04-2015 Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - 02:37 pm:        I'm not enjoying it. Mait Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 05-2014 Posted on Friday, October 14, 2016 - 11:55 am:        I came across recently with two finnish scientists/proffessors Eero Paloheimo and Ub Lindström who are promoting a very good idea. The Idea is that all countries on Earth should stop fighting with each other and should unite for fighting with the climate change. They want to use armies to reforest Sahara desert for example. So i asked Eero Paloheimo`s opinion on overpopulation and here is he`s response: Hello Mait, I think that the population explosion is "the mother" of all the other problems. Probably we don't have any tools to hinder the population growth before 2100 and it will be then about 12 billion. After that we will be in trouble, while the "human ways" to reduce the population takes about 17 generations. By that I mean a limitation to 2 children. That is 500 years. This planet can not stand it. We should do something faster. Try to rise a movement about this also in Estonia. If you can get 200 names to support our initiative, Estonia has done its part of 1 million supporters from the world. Best wishes and thanks, Eero Here is the site where they collect votes for the idea(goal is 1 million), so they can go with these to UN and try to change something: http://unite-the-armies.org/en I think this Idea is worth for supporting, so you can do that too if you feel responsibility for this planet(least what you can do). Further reading: http://www.eeropaloheimo.fi/en/mankind-is-not-the-world/ Norm3 Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 07-2016 Posted on Friday, October 21, 2016 - 03:52 pm:        Its amazing how all the Democrats flip flopped on Immigration. Now an old 1 min. CSPAN clip of Tim Kaine on immigration. https://youtu.be/0siznu6w48w Stefan_z2 Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 12-2014 Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2016 - 12:40 am:        Hello Fellows, In German we are saying “steter Tropfen höhlt den Stein.”, meaning “constant dripping will wear away a stone” or with the English proverb “little strokes fell big oaks”. Am therefore not missing any chance for gently reiterating the factuality of unmitigated overpopulation and its plethora of ugly ramifications, when every week sharing news clips and comments with mostly professional social media contacts. Here today’s feed, some of the articles might also be useful for your own outreach: ****************************** http://www.herts.ac.uk/about-us/news/2016/october/why-we-need-pesticides-to-help-feed-the-world2 The true question is: Why we need to poison ourselves to feed the world? “Poisoning” is fitting for us releasing unnatural pesticides, herbicides and neurotoxins into the food chain. Take glyphosate: http://pan-international.org/release/592/ Now issued research for Congo makes it apparent that “intensifying” agriculture is not the answer for steadily more people justly seeking a dignifieder life for their families http://www.kuleuven.be/english/news/2016/the-fight-against-deforestation-why-are-congolese-farmers-clearing-forest The new FAO report http://www.fao.org/news/story/en/item/446335/icode/ tells us that we are on track for sending up to 122 million extra people into extreme poverty by 2030. ****************************** Salome, Stefan Norm3 Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 07-2016 Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2016 - 11:07 am:        How much longer do we have to endure actors like Tom Hanks promoting the repeatedly debunked Malthusian overpopulation scare? http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/27/tom-hanks-admits-firmly-believes-debunked-conspiracy-theory/ Historeed Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 09-2008 Posted on Monday, October 31, 2016 - 04:22 am:        Norm, It's unfortunate that overpopulation has been "debunked". I recently watched the new climate change documentary by Leonardo DiCaprio and, of course, overpopulation was completely absent from the discussion. Matthew Reed Norm3 Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 07-2016 Posted on Monday, October 31, 2016 - 04:51 pm:        Leonardo DiCaprio he either really doesn't understand or is afraid to be called a person who wants to kill people to get the population down. Which is always what the Alarmists charge. Hendrikus1970 Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 04-2009 Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2016 - 09:36 am:        He is an amazingly good actor,but i doubt he did al the research himself. The writer and producer of this docu is Mark Monroe that made quiet a few great documentries. Would be great if a guy like him could make a docu about BEAM Colorado_dirk Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Monday, November 14, 2016 - 01:14 am:        David Attenborough is pointing out the overpopulation problem and he is a well respected persona. The issue is that there isn't a solution proposed. Anyone care to let him know the seven year plan that should be set out? The title of the article is actually "David Attenborough has an important warning about human population" It's the first time I've noticed an article on this site and have no idea of its reputation or credence. http://www.sciencealert.com/the-time-david-attenborough-said-humans-are-a-plague?perpetual=yes&limitstart=1 People seem to like him and might notice if he picks up and mentions the birth stop solution. Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1237 Registered: 07-2009 Posted on Monday, November 14, 2016 - 09:35 am:        This is the perfect opportunity to point out that instead of asking if "anyone" cares to let him know something, that once YOU (any and everyone here!) see an article anywhere that presents the opportunity to inform about the relevant Meier material that...YOU do it! Don't wait, don't ask for permission, etc. This is YOUR world, YOUR endangered future and YOU need to stop waiting and looking for others to do something about it. It's great to discuss it on FIGU-related blogs and forums but you're just preaching to the choir. DO something, do it NOW, start acting in the world out there. No one's going to do it for you/us, no one's coning to save you/us. Kenneth Member Post Number: 484 Registered: 04-2013 Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2016 - 08:10 am:        All, If you are interested in contacting David Attenborough, here is the address to reach him! David Attenborough David Attenborough Productions, Ltd. 5 Park Road Richmond Surrey, TW10 6NS UK Also looking for an electronic link to contact Mr. Attenborough Kenneth Member Post Number: 486 Registered: 04-2013 Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2016 - 08:29 am:        This link is not directly to Mr. Attenborough, but it is to a Blog of those that follow his work. http://www.thescientificmom.com/2013/05/a-letter-to-david-attenborough.html My comment: Sir David Attenborough is very concerned about overpopulation of Earth and what will happen to not only the beautiful wildlife and this wonderful planet, but also our children, grandchildren etc. There is a way to correct this; please see http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Overpopulation_Crusade Sincerely Kenneth Norm3 Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 07-2016 Posted on Friday, December 02, 2016 - 07:29 pm:        Comanche Indian: "Open borders is the doom of nationhood." https://youtu.be/j6S6QaH2SlM Norm3 Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 07-2016 Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2016 - 02:24 pm:        ‘I’m truly AFRAID’ Humiliated Merkel is confronted by dad TERRIFIED at migrant influx http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/739395/Angela-Merkel-migrant-crisis-dad-Frankfurt Stefan_z2 Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 12-2014 Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2016 - 11:39 pm:        Hi, Two interesting studies this week. One insinuating that all it would take for tackling the overpopulation disaster would be to somehow cure all of the symptoms within 15 years, fully relying on the so called sustainable development goals for 2016-2030. One needs in that context to know that the SDGs’ precursor, the random pick of “Millennium Development Goals” for 2000-2015 saw (as one could expect) only a fraction of targets achieved. Right, so let us do it again and expect a different outcome. More interesting is the second piece that challenges a key part of the long-lasting nasty propaganda against China’s all so gruel family size policies. Salome, Stefan ************************* http://www.iiasa.ac.at/web/home/about/news/161129-sdg-pnas.html Let us get serious about the elephant, which nobody wants to see in SDGs context. The obvious scenario for impactful action would be taking tried and proven policy measures globally. Meaning a light version (2-3 children) of China’s previously successful approach. As just shown http://news.ku.edu/2016/11/22/study-finds-chinas-missing-girls-theory-likely-far-overblown that country got unfairly criticised instead of admired. Or we could without any intermediate checkpoints forcing course correction continue till 2030 with the current gamble, that has for decades failed miserably, see row 1 in official UN data https://esa.un.org/unpd/wpp/DVD/Files/1_Indicators%20(Standard)/EXCEL_FILES/1_Population/WPP2015_POP_F01_1_TOTAL_POPULATION_BOTH_SEXES.XLS Stefan_z2 Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 12-2014 Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 02:37 am:        Hi, Here some pretty powerful new research arguments for ringing the alarm bell loudly for those still ignoring, what our real, true, very serious, root cause level problem is. Peace and Rationality, Stefan ******************** In sustainability context some patterns have been steadfast over decades. Chronically naïve, overly optimistic assumptions for the demand side http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/science-blog/projections-about-global-emissions-cannot-accurately-factor-economic-booms were and are central to it. We have reached a point, where it should be evident for everyone that mankind can’t lull itself with the illusion that course corrections would be about issues in a far distant future. Take groundwater depletion by 2050 http://news.agu.org/press-release/agu-fall-meeting-groundwater-resources-around-the-world-could-be-depleted-by-2050s and the latest study telling us that even industrialised grain production in Africa wouldn’t feed the forecasted population of 2050. http://news.unl.edu/newsrooms/today/article/study-maximizing-grain-yields-wont-meet-future-african-needs/ Corey Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 10-2016 Posted on Sunday, January 01, 2017 - 03:59 pm:        My Facebook overpopulation posts have slowly been getting more "likes" by my contacts, and surprisingly the "likes" have not usually come from my FIGU contacts. RE. my brother who is a staunch Catholic "liked" my overpopulation post yesterday because it showed the birth-rates were triple the death-rates in 2016, and my post contained information that we have to humanely lower the birth-rates to below that of the death rates, or our species may not survive. My Facebook posts on my timeline are not usually directly FIGU related, but they are small, yet powerful seeds of truth to plant directly into the soil of the consciousness of the general public, many of whom are staunchly religious, who are not ready for FIGU, to get them to think a leading thought. I can report some successes, as many of these religious people are contemplating the disastrous effects overpopulation. I'm educating the masses, because those in authority are silent about overpopulation, which will be quite deadly silence in the future. In 1975 the first pure spirit-level Arahat Athersata transmitted messages of the teaching of the spirit to Billy, which he assembled into a book. Part of the messages contained warnings to Earth about our serious overpopulation problem. The Arahat Athersata pure spirit-level is called "Der Wertvolle, der die Zeit beschaut" which roughly translates into "the precious one, who contemplates the times", and the Arahat Athersata pure spirit-level has 7 sub-levels: (*1) 1) Bodihar-level 2) Jezir-level 3) Hemanub-level 4) Duyana-level 5) Chanak-level 6) Jischna-level 7) Karanna-level I consider Arahat Athersata the utmost authority to be critical of the Earth for overpopulation, because it's 6 sub-level (Jischna-level) is responsible for the creation of causes in the material-plane, and it's 7 sub-level (Karanna-level) is responsible for effects in the material-plane. The law of cause and effect will be Earth's master, and death released from the effects of our cause of rampant procreation will be the instruction, and re-equalizing (out of deadly necessity) to be in the natural-regulatory cosmic order of controlling descendants will be the homework of need for our planet in the future. Some of us on the forum have titled the Earth's retaliations for overpopulation as "cause/effect depopulation" (thanks ILB!), and in the words of Arahat Athersata "millions will have to die an abnormal death" (AA book page 22 verse 12). Arahat Athersata's overpopulation messages are translated following the link below: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Arahat_Athersata_Overpopulation In the future, when our planet is learning lessons from the law of cause and effect, one could say we will be learning directly from the AA level, whose sub-levels are responsible for fulfilling the causes, and in turn, the effects, and the death that will be our instructor, will require homework to humanely lower our birth-rates, because the Earth will be retaliating to naturally through death to restore our levels to a normal number in revenge, and we will have to fall in-line naturally to prevent further casualties as part of our evolutionary process. At this time, the religious may resist, but they must be over-voiced for the preservation of our species. AA states that this is because we have trampled on the law of preservation of our species, and (if you see verse 9) propagation in a senseless multitude is contrary (against) all natural laws. 15: "When the earth-human lives in the right sense in the fulfillment of his task, he then lives in the ironclad order given by the Creation." 15: "Lebt der Erdenmensch in der Erfüllung seiner Aufgabe im richtigen Sinne, dann lebt er in der von der Schöpfung gegebenen ehernen Ordnung." 16: "As he disregards this order and steps out of it, then he has to taste and bear the consequences." 16: "Da er diese Ordnung aber missachtet und aus ihr hinaustritt, hat er die Folgen zu kosten und zu tragen." 17: "But the human of the Earth has stepped on this order with his feet and grossly disregarded - and now he has to bear the consequences of this." 17: "Der Erdenmensch aber hat diese Ordnung mit seinen Füssen getreten und sie gröblich missachtet - und die Folgen davon hat er nun zu tragen." ----- AA goes on to say in verse 18: " As one of the most important duties of the material life-domain of the earthly humanity it is to heed, that the overpopulation is contained in the strongest measure, and the number of human beings finds its state in the normal 500 million-norm." 18: "Als eine der wichtigsten Aufgaben der materiellen Lebenbereiches der irdischen Menschheit ist zu beachten, dass die Überbevölkerung in stärkstem Masse eingedämmt wird und die Zahl der menschlichen Wesenheiten ihren Stand in der normalen 500 Milliionennorm findet." ---- In this verse AA states we have to use the "strongest measure" to defeat overpopulation, and the will for this is what our planet lacks = which might change in the future as the death tolls start coming in. These upcoming times will be a great, and deadly turning point for our citizens to take overpopulation (and in turn the natural order [overpopulation = death]) very seriously. The staunchly religious may see this time as the supposed end times, even though life will continue (either miserable or comfortable the choice is ours collectively), and this may be the reason for the prophecized "suicide king" as people may want to take their life, instead of withstanding the Earthquakes, etc. ---- Because this is, or at least, this will be a planetary emergency in the future, some examples of the "strongest measure": 22: " All those who administrate the fate of the Earth, the responsible ones, they have a regulation to issue and be concerned for its success, that no family begets more than three descendants distributed over a ten year duration." 22: "Alle jene, welche die Geschicke der Erde verwalten, die Verantwortlichen, haben eine Regelung zu erlassen und auf ihren Erfolg bedacht zu sein, dass keine Familie mehr als drei Nachkommen zeugt verteilt auf zehn Jahre Dauer." 23: ". No male-human life form under thirty life-years shall beget descendants, and likewise not over forty life-years." 23: "Keine männlich-menschliche Lebensform soll unter dreissig Lebenjahren Nachkommen zeugen, ebenso nicht über vierzig Lebenjahren." 24: "As the first recommendation it shall be valid, that in the exorbitantly overpopulated states an absolute regulation for a birth-stop for a duration of seven years is issued, through which the population-size decimates itself in natural succession." 24: "Als erstes Gebot soll aber gelten, dass in masslos überbevölkerten Staaten eine absolute Regelung für einen Geburtenstopp für die Dauer von sieben Jahren erlassen wird, wodurch sich die Bevölkerungszahl in natürlicher Befolgung dezimiert." (note: verse 24 outlines a 7 year birth-rate check warned in 1975 when the population was 3.5 billion. Now 42 years later: in 2017 this is closer to 9 billion. The longer we wait for this recommendation for natural-order, the more severe the death tolls, and the Earth's retaliations will be). ----- Cause/effect depopulation will transpire, and it will be deadly so our planet will have to re-equalize, and in the future, people will be reincarnating, such as Billy in the year 2075, to try and enforce these natural laws from the bottom-up, during this upcoming time of change. According to the older prophets, if we listen to the religious concerning matters of planetary importance, then: "your awakening, however, will be a painful one if you do not listen to the admonishments (warnings) and to the advices of the true prophets..." (*2) In the words of OM: "Practice makes the master, while the understudy then makes glue (mistakes)". "Übung macht den Meister, doch der Lehrling macht den Kleister." = (*3) I chose this OM canon because it's a wise Old Lyran saying, to correlate that because our planet (the understudy) has a lot to learn from the master (law of cause and effect [6th and 7th sub-level of Arahat Athersata pure spirit-level]). Masters are made out of experience, that they teach to the understudy, and the understudy makes glue (mistakes) in a "give and take" situation of recipricol value. A kung-fu understudy would make glue to patch-up the masters handiwork, and one could correlate this to Earth's future, if our descendants have to patch-up from cause/effect depopulation. written by Corey Müske January 1, 2017 @ 17:59 Central US time. All of Billy's words are in direct quotation marks, all un-quoted material are my thoughts of experience on the matter. ----- 1 = source = "Teaching Script" German only/page 103/copyright: FIGU/BEAM All quoted verses from the FOM translation are translated by Sanjin (2009) with revisions by Marc Juliano. The German source is "Arahat Athersata" page 21-24. Copyright FIGU/BEAM 2 = "Goblet of the Truth" verse 9:128/copyright FIGU/BEAM. (original German = "Euer Erwachen wird aber schmerzlich sein, wenn ihr nicht auf die Ermahnungen [Warnungen] und auf die Ratgebungen der wahrlichen Propheten hört...") 3 = OM (Omfalon Murado) 32:1672 translated by Corey Müske/copyright FIGU/BEAM Old Lyran words of knowledge: OM 32:1676 = "The death is also not for nothing, the death then costs a new life" = "Umsonst ist der Tod nicht, denn er kostet ein neues Leben". To correlate: Human life is precious, and if one dies, they will receive a new re-birth. To correlate this further: If one dies in the upcoming tragedies from overpopulation, or the world war, perhaps you will reincarnate to further help the difficult assistance of the Earth to transition to natural law and order in this time of change. To prepare for this, one has to study in the current life as best they can, to gain experience at the natural. Salome/Corey Müske Corey Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 10-2016 Posted on Sunday, January 01, 2017 - 05:20 pm:        Simply procreating like machines of baby-factories for the sake of abundant procreation violates natural-law and is in the words of Arahat Athersata "unholy" ("unheilig"). ----- 10: "That the human of the Earth renders the compliance of the simple propagation (augmentation) and disregards all creational-natural laws, is recognisable for every human who moves himself even slightly on consciousness-related, developmental pathways:" 10: "Und dass der Erdenmensch der Formel der einfachen Vermehrung Folge leister und alle schöpferisch-natürlichen Gesetze missachtet, ist für jeden Menschen erkennbar, der sich auch nur in geringen Bahnen bewusstseinsmässiger Entwicklung bewegt:" Procreate your children wisely/within natural-limits. ----- http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Arahat_Athersata_Overpopulation verse 10 of "Arahat Athersata" page 21 translated by Sanjin/with updates by Marc Juliano/copyright FIGU/BEAM. The word "unholy" from verse 11 suffers from the religious "touch", but I think the pure-spirit-level uses this word to describe how much of a violation of the natural law and order augmenting your race only for the sake of augmenting is, without any limits for preservation of your species, so it must have been an emergency. Salome/Corey Müske

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