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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 481
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2016 - 07:36 pm: | 
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Some of the articles from the latest Figu Bulletin (95)
-- USA --
Some older discussions re. the dangers the US in:
E.g. quoting from CR 544 (Billy Sep 1, 2012)
German
"Wenn nun aber in bezug auf die USA nur einmal der riesige Staatsschuldenberg von mehr als 16 Billionen Dollar betrachtet wird, der nicht mehr getilgt werden kann und für den nur noch knapp oder nicht einmal mehr umfänglich die laufenden Zinsen aufgebracht werden können, dann muss selbst der Dümmste erkennen, wie es um die USA steht."
English
“But if, in relation to the USA, the gigantic mountain of national debt of now more than 16 trillion dollars is now considered, which can no longer be repaid, and for which the ongoing interest can only hardly, or no longer, even peripherally serviced, then even the least intelligent must recognize how it stands with the USA.”
Another article summarizes this interview between L Wilkerson and Abby Martin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgig1QVU2lY
-- Erdogan --
Billy asks Ptaah what he thinks of Turkey’s leader Erdogan.
Ptaah replies that some time ago Erdogan became a dictator due to his disposition (religious conservatism, power possessed sectarianism)
– He lives in the illusion not to be bound to any legal norms.
- He interprets and applies laws in an arbitrary manner to terrorise those Turks that oppose his megalomania and self–aggrandizement.
- He sees himself already for some time as a ruler with absolute powers.
- He strives for autocracy, tyranny and the suppression of the people.
Billy mentions Hitler, Stalin and the many other dictators that killed many millions of people in their paranoia and psychopathic attitude.
He fears that if no-one stops Erdogan then Turkey and, if she becomes a member of the EU, then European people, too, may have to suffer a lot.
Ptaah confirms that Erdogan's regime is dictatorial regime and one cannot expect any good coming from it.
There could be trouble brewing with the EU because of the many refugees in Turkey. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 505
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Friday, December 09, 2016 - 02:49 am: |
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Assange has said that he expected to be kidnapped and or killed before the end of the year 2016. At first when Assange came onto the scene, my immediate thought was that he was a ruinous character; now I’m not so sure. The information that he releases is no different than what the Plejaren and Billy are presenting, except that in some cases it’s more current. It appears that Assange is only exposing the corrupt, unethical and disreputable aspects of various governments? |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 216
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Friday, December 09, 2016 - 01:46 pm: |
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Speaking of fake news vs. Real News ...it's funny how so many people jumping on the bandwagon such as Clinton, Facebook executives and the news media..... Pizza gate is very compelling but it appears to be too good to be true that information could be found on YouTube which is heavily censored.... it appears it's nothing more than a spinning marketing campaign to hide something.... therefore it may be impossible to determine whether we are giving true facts whether it is alternative Media or mainstream media....
MsMichelle
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Hugo
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Post Number: 296
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Friday, December 09, 2016 - 05:18 pm: |
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MsMichelle, I was thinking the same thing. |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 218
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2016 - 08:25 am: |
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Kenneth.... and others...the problem I have with so-called whistleblowers, insiders, such as Snowden, Assange, Alex Jones, those characters Stefan Molyneux, David Icke, and countless others, they only give half truths...and speculations, conspiracies which leads to misinformation and confusion...... I think we deserve the whole truth which will lead to proper response to find resolutions... we have been misled for thousands of years due to these "Redux Moses" characters claiming to know the truth but at a cost.... I wish we could all focus on translating the bulletins presented by BEAM and FIGU...at least we will know for a fact we're getting the truth during our discussions.
MsMichelle
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 606
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2016 - 04:34 pm: |
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MsMichelle, you are consistent. Your denigration of whistleblowers, insiders, and investigators describes a number of the folks who have posted here on this forum over the years, including myself.
FIGU is supposed to be an organization which helps to bring mankind to the Universal Natural and/or Creational Laws, not one blindly focused on whatever prognostications are delivered by our hallowed leaders. FIGU is an exploration, not a dead-end limitation. As much as possible, let's neither blindly limit ourselves by ignoring the world around us, nor blindly assume the veracity of mainstream/alternative voices.
We are supposed to question the zeitgeist.
Life
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Norm
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Monday, December 12, 2016 - 04:50 pm: |
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Anonymous Leaks to the WashPost About the CIA’s Russia Beliefs Are No Substitute for Evidence
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/ |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 486
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, December 12, 2016 - 10:59 pm: |
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== Should one punish who reveals injustice? ==
When we see the present events as they unfold:
It is early days for the new president elect.
Who defends his plan to find an accord with Russia
Who plans to stop meddling in the affairs of other countries.
And the “others” trying to create an environment which prevents this..
True: There should not be any spying.
Truer still, however, that there should be a desire to come clean, correct what the spied at “revelations” reveal:
Truest - the “free press” – should mention the truth, Parliament should discuss the “causa” behind the happenings in Benghazi, the dirty weapons deals, the many refugees, the many killed, in Syria / Yemen /Iraq /Libya etc., the schemes, people and groups that created the conflicts …..*)
Because ultimately it does not matter who spied:
The revelations are but the echo to the many millions of people in the Middle East that suffer and suffered, that died, lost their family, that are crippled, lost their everything.
It is their many thoughts, the cries in their hearts that cause the revelations:
Does their life not have the same value, should they not have the same freedom, the same human rights as those that speak of defending “Equality – Liberty – Human Rights etc etc.”?
Without Truth There Is No Evolution ...
Maybe there is a piece missing in the constitutions in our world.
Maybe its leaders and parliaments should not demand allegiance to their country first but allegiance to the truth.
No matter who spied - those that declare that “revealing the truth to stop a WW” is an attack on one nation may need to self-reflect - esp. if they are quite unapologetic to spy on the whole world (FVEY)..
So why would certain people create a persecution mania against those that reveal the truth?
Why don't they - “Watergate like” - welcome the revelation of truth and come clean of it?
Quite right.
They “fear” the “truth” …
Especially and ultimately the truth that our universe is based on equality.
Not their superiority.
Salome,
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Billy in CR 566 of June 23, 2013 (in Bulletin 81 – not yet in FutureofMankind)
My quick translation of a segment of this CR.
There may be some mistakes but the main points should be clear.
Billy:
“….in addition the death penalty which is still permitted and carried out in several states. And if one considers the torture and human indignity in Guantánamo as well as the great number of criminal deeds of secret services and in wars which are committed by A’s secret services and the military in diverse countries around the globe without any action ever been taken against the guilty ones.
Likewise in A, as you once told me, the members of the air force, navy and the members of the common military forces are not held responsible or punished for raping their female comrades. In the contrary the sexually abused women are themselves accused and condemned, to protect officers etc. who commit rape thousandfold.
In other ways the raped female soldiers and officers are as well told by certain military courts that they have to accept it all as professional risk. But this is the reality of U. Am. which presents herself as the world’s policemen and [Mr.] Nice Guy while in reality it has “dirt under many carpets”.
Naturally neither the U. nor the world population is informed about that.
And if something leaks through to the public then it is vehemently denied and the “traitors” are muzzled, accused as being spies and traitors of their own country, persecuted and jailed for decades or even insidiously murdered.
The same happens as well to the WL founder JA who publicised U war crimes on the internet and who the U judiciary wants to catch, to accuse and punish him as traitor of U military secrets.
The same applies for the U w’bl. resp. the ex-secret service spy (E.Sn.) who is as well again hunted in the whole world, because he – himself an ex-U- sp. – publicised machinations of the secr serv of the U and England.
Ptaah:
We, too, take the reasons you gave, into account and what you said reg. “the traitors” corresponds to undeniable facts.
German Original:
Billy:
„.....Dies nebst der Todesstrafe, die noch in diversen Staaten erlaubt ist und durchgeführt wird. Und man bedenke der Folterei und Menschenunwürdigkeit in Guantánamo, wie auch der massenweisen Geheimdienst- und Kriegsverbrechen, die durch Amerikas Geheimdienstler und Militärs in diversen Ländern der Erde ausgeübt werden, ohne dass die Schuldigen jemals zur Rechenschaft gezogen werden. Gleichermassen werden in Amerika, wie du mir einmal privaterweise gesagt hast, die Angehörigen der Luftwaffe, der Seestreitkräfte und die Angehörigen des üblichen Militärs nicht zur Rechenschaft gezogen und bestraft, die ihre weiblichen Kameradinnen vergewaltigen.
Gegenteilig werden die sexuell missbrauchten Frauen selbst angeklagt und verurteilt, um die Offiziere usw. zu schützen, die meistens die Vergewaltigungen tausendfach begehen.
Anderweitig wird den vergewaltigten Soldatinnen und Offizierinnen von gewissen Militärgerichten auch mitgeteilt, dass sie das Ganze eben als Berufsrisiko in Kauf nehmen müssten. Aber das ist die Wirklichkeit von US-Amerika, das als Weltpolizei auftritt und Saubermann spielt, während es effektiv viel stinkenden Dreck an diversen Stecken hat. Darüber wird natürlich die US-Bevölkerung und die Weltöffentlichkeit nicht informiert. Und wenn etwas an die Öffentlichkeit durchsickert, dann wird es vehement bestritten und die ‹Verräter› werden mundtot gemacht, als Spione und Landesverräter bezichtigt, verfolgt und über Jahrzehnte eingekerkert oder gleich meuchlings ins Jenseits befördert. Das geschieht auch in bezug auf den WikiLeaksGründer Julian Assange, der US-Kriegsverbrechen usw. öffentlich im Internetz bekanntgemacht hat und dessen die USA-Justiz habhaft werden will, um ihn als ‹Verräter› US-militärischer Geheimnisse anzuklagen und zu verurteilen. Und gleichermassen gilt das auch für den US-‹Whistleblower› resp. den ExGeheimdienst-Spion (Nachtrag: Edward Snowden), der auch neuerdings von den USA krampfhaft in der ganzen Welt gejagt wird, weil er – selbst ein Ex-US-Spion – diverse US-Geheimdienstmachenschaften und auch die der Engländer öffentlich ausposaunt hat.
Ptaah
Deine genannten Begründungen ziehen auch wir in Betracht, und das, was du zuletzt noch in bezug auf ‹Verräter› usw. gesagt hast, entspricht auch den unbestreitbaren Tatsachen.
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http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/14970.html#POST79762 |
Historeed
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Post Number: 83
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 05:31 am: |
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The accusations that Russia hacked the US election to favor Trump is a serious charge that could lead to all out war. This is a very dangerous time and I fear the media will continue to be cheerleaders for war.
Matthew Reed
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Votan
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Post Number: 650
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 01:01 pm: |
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Historeed
Just talk. War will occur when the time is right.
joe
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Stardustwilly
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Post Number: 85
Registered: 01-2015
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2016 - 06:22 am: |
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My question is, if Killary had secret war plans with Russsia, what was she thinking, my thoughts are only two conclusions, first she thought she could get in a conventional war and it not escalate into a nuclear exchange, out of touch with realty, second she had plans for a conventional war, but knew it would turn nuclear, and being too old for it to matter, and her thinking she had nothing to lose, which is even crazier than the first. |
Norm
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2016 - 09:35 pm: |
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No wonder Billy has been silent about this Election. The CIA or a faction (Dark Order) in the CIA is trying to change the election or at least cast doubt about the results. Which could cause a Civil War or even WW3. It sure proves Billy right about the CIAs influence in MSM. It also proves that both parties are used by the CIA. One minute the CIA Is helping Bush push for war in Iraq the next they are trying to cause coup against a Party you would think they prefer. It truely shows how much of an outsider Trump is too. The American Left never trusted the CIA yet the minute the CIA supports something they are for. The Left agrees with them unconditionally. No thought whatsoever that they could be manipulated as well. |
Historeed
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Post Number: 84
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 05:00 am: |
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Norm,
It is amazing to see the hypocrisy of how the Left is now "anti-Russia" and the Right is now "pro-Russia". The Right is now "anti-CIA" and the Left is now "pro-CIA". Politics are the undoing of America. The MSM is determined to keep the establishment talking points at the center of the conversation and the sensible people sidelined.
Matthew Reed
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 219
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 11:16 am: |
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Trump is wise not to attend any of those intelligence briefings because those are areas to create manipulation and misinformation.....
MsMichelle
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Hendrikus1970
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Post Number: 109
Registered: 04-2009
| | Posted on Friday, December 16, 2016 - 03:36 am: |
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Trump is wise ? haha lets see where we at after 2 falseflag atacks.
The powers behind the scenes are far to strong for a muppet like Trump or any other muppet for that matter.
This crime gang is doing its thing for a very long time and they control the E.U / U.S and many more smaller nations.
Here in the Netherlands we get our daily Putin and Russia bashing on almost every tv show en news outlet.
This crime gang want war with Russia and China and belief it or not,nobody can stop them not even the very patient Putin |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 759
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Friday, December 16, 2016 - 09:27 am: |
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At least the NSA has come out saying there is no evidence of Russian hacking. The funniest thing are the MSM who are horrified that Russia would hack the United States meanwhile the United States hacks every other country in the world and has changed democratic elections to suit their purposes for example in Nicaragua, Chile, El Salvador, the Ukraine, Canada.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Norm
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Friday, December 16, 2016 - 01:15 pm: |
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Historeed, US Intel Vets Dispute Russia Hacking Claims - https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/12/us-intel-vets-dispute-russia-hacking-claims/
MsMichelle , Exactly Trump knows not to trust it. |
Norm
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Friday, December 16, 2016 - 06:46 pm: |
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OMG, a local MSM CBS news affiliate says the truth for once.
Reality Check: 5 Problems with CIA Claim That Russia Hacked DNC/Podesta emails
https://youtu.be/CNIrPLHVfdI |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 220
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 07:47 am: |
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Hendrikus1970..... unfortunately it is a wait-and-see game
MsMichelle
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Hendrikus1970
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Post Number: 110
Registered: 04-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 11:06 pm: |
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Well Ms Michelle we already know what the plans are of this wicked group and like i said Trump is just a nationalist wanker that already hates China and Arabs.
So if he doesnt listen to his advisors then they have many other means to convince him( like they did with the delusional Obama)
rt.com/usa/370629-trump-unpresidented-china-drone/ |
Norm
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 02:46 pm: |
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Glenn Greenwald Slams Democrats for Attacks on Anyone Skeptical of CIA Russia Assessment
https://youtu.be/DhIcYMtjZNE |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 608
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 04:05 pm: |
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For those interested, here's a link for a 'normalizing' discussion of the apparent Satanic rituals uncovered by the Clinton/Podesta, etc., emails, from the perspective of a practicing Satanist. It almost goes without saying that the course of the discussion doesn't touch upon the Bafathic influence, much less their proclivity for blood rituals, as revealed in the Contact Notes.
https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/occult-rule-are-the-globalists-satanists
Between Ted Gunderson's material and some other FBI files, and revelations on various online and media outlets, over the years there is much that I've seen uncovered, then swiftly covered up again, regarding these people. It's kinda nice to hear a relative expert acknowledging their existence, yet denying their power. We tend to ascribe to the mainstream media more authority than those people deserve. I enjoyed hearing what fools they were. Maybe you will too.
Life
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 609
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2016 - 06:52 pm: |
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For those keeping up with it, here's a discussion of the pedos-in-power from an NYPD detective's perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irtTYdc8sL4
Jim Rothstein is a well-known whistleblower who has been trying to get the public to pay attention to this stuff for decades.
Life
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