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    Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 458 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Marbar, You may find more details here: http://www.meiersaken.info/terrestrial_humans.html (See "The First Human Life") "...The first single cell, which was designated to become a human, originated on Earth during the time from 5 to 8 million years ago, whereby these human forefathers went through different evolutionary stages..." Salome, Bill | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 478 Registered: 04-2013 |
Bill, On the link that you posted; http://www.meiersaken.info/terrestrial_humans.html "The human history on Earth". Under the section of, "First Lyran arrivals 22 million years ago. Earth used for convicts." Thus the Earth became, in the short term, once more a convict colony, whereby the Lyran offenders mingled with those people who already had been set out on Earth. The result from this was that the Lyrans who had been set out, very soon degenerated, because they were without any type of technology and culture as well as devoid of any other equipment, since this was part of the arrangement by provision which the distant forefathers had in place for offenders, and in fact by the old Lyrans as well as those who came here from the Sirius region. Offenders were segregated from society and transferred to a lonely inhospitable islands or planets where they were free in body, psyche and consciousness but had to spend their lives without any type of facility until it ended, naturally or through violence among themselves. Devoid of any means it meant a very hard and deprived life, but nevertheless through which they were able to learn because teaching material were in this respect permitted. But for the daily nourishment and all other needs had to be provided by the offenders own hard work and effort, and they could never leave the islands or planets, because they were devoid of any such possibilities. In addition, were the genders separated so that no reproduction could take place in the convict colonies. Could this possible be where the Amazon warrior women originated from? Kenneth | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 459 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Kenneth, I do not know the origin of the “Ama zonas” (the “breastless ones” according to popular Greek mythology…) They maybe more recent than being of “ET convict” origin. Greek myths mention that Hercules ninth labour was to obtain the girdle of the Amazonian queen. (We mentioned Hercules 10th labour in connection with the Atlantis catastrophe – “ripping open a passage between the Atlantic and Mediterranean (Gibraltar) ” – if his 10 th labour was indeed connected with Atlantis it would indicate that the Amazons were already known then). According to more traditional history books and popular myths the Amazons migrated from the Crimea peninsula to Turkey (southern coast of the Black Sea) before founding many other cities (Smyrna, Ephesos, etc.) further south (close to the border of today’s Syria and Turkey). Details see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons Interestingly the TJ (Chapter 35) mentions that Jmmanuel came in contact with women “that were once warring but now (when Jmmanuel met them) peaceful”. This contact took place after Jmmanuel left Damaskus (on his way to Srinagar/India) in NW direction to what is today the Mediterranean cost of southern Turkey. He tried to teach these women the spirit teachings. But they had their own cult religion, wanted to kill him and he had to flee. According to Billy's book "Genesis" women can - in times of high emergencies - fertilize themselves (that is why female homo sexuality (Lesbians) are not contravening nature) *) But the “Amazon” women - acc to popular folklore - seem to have used the natural way: They either used some strong male prisoners as the males of a neighbouring tribe (Gargareans) to create new offspring (selecting only the females – male offspring were either set out or given back to the Gargarean males) Salome, Bill *) http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/2635.html#POST79322 | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 481 Registered: 04-2013 |
Bill, I always look forward to you detailed investigative replies. Thank you very much. Kenneth | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 478 Registered: 04-2011 |
- Animal-Human Hybrids - The latest Figu-Zeitzeichen mentions again that scientists want to genetically modify animals for medical research. The article mentions that scientists of the University of California succeeded in breeding pigs with human tissues (human pancreas)... Using those experiments for medical research may be helpful but how long before such research is seen as an opportunity for "defensive" purposes? The ZZ article states parts of CR251 to explain that such endeavours may be an "ominous sign": In the past scientists used gen-manipulations to create human-pig hybrids which were fostered to become "fighting machines" ... Further re-reading through CR251 confirms that part human, part animal hybrids were the work of scientists in the past. Excerpt of CR 251: “ (in a future time) …humans will be converted into machines, that is robots for the first time by connecting their nervous system to microscopic electronic-biologic gadgetry and machinery that will serve to guide them. This will cause great problems 85 years later when powerful scientists will play god as they had done in earliest times and they will create new hybrids between humans and animals through genetic alterations. These new “semi humans” will declare their solidarity with the robotic humans … with the creation of robotic humans, intelligent biologic-electronic machine-like robots will be constructed…” Conclusion: Edgar Cayce’s mentioning of “humanimals” in many of his readings may well correspond to the realities of the Atlantean era of our planet **) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *) http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-06-crispr-human-pancreas-pig.html http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-25550419 http://theconversation.com/pig-implants-could-deliver-insulin-to-people-with-diabetes-19178 **) In past posts we remarked that EC’s readings state that the Atlanteans wanted to teach the "things" (human animal hybrids) that served them in their households. We mentioned a passage of the futureofmankind website which we took as true but turned out to be a speculation only. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/14760.html#POST78509 (and subsequent posts) - A Possible Explanation of "Arus the Barbarian" - Knowing the past could help to prevent a repletion in the future... According to EC's readings it certainly was the treatment of these hybrid humans that split the Atlantean society. The Sons of the Law of One (spiritual goals - equality of all beings) wanted to teach them spiritual knowledge, the Sons of Belial (material goals - superiority thinking) wanted to use them as slaves only. My thinking: It may well be that trying to teach the hybrids may have affected some Atlanteans – some of them (the later Sons of Belial) may have adopted some of the pleasure-seeking material ways whereas the later Sons of the Law of One kept through ardent practice their spiritual orientation. We know from the CRs that Arus was (initially) a very highly developed IHWH (even with regards to the spirit teachings) and scientist. It would then be very plausible that many scientists followed him. Maybe they saw that teaching these unfortunate hybrid beings led a growing no. of Atlanteans away from spiritual goals towards material pleasures? Maybe Arus' calls for "leaving the hybrids alone" were not heard thus causing many scientists (under the leadership of Arus) to revolt? Maybe it was the harsh exile in A. Centauri in conjunction with the zest of highly qualified scientists that felt unjustly rejected, that created the "growth" into a violent ("Barbarian") character ? If we explain the revolt of the scientists with a rejection of "teaching the human hybrids" it would - in part - explain Arus initial strictness to keep a "pure race" and Semjasa's secret trials to create a "pure (perfect)" human. These all are, of course, only my own conclusions. | ||
Tyler_rutland Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 01-2016 |
Hi all, Does our ancient Earth history also encompass the middle ages, when Artus lived and 'Merlin' was visited by the Pleiades woman who gave him the beam-sword? If so, I think there were surely many professions practiced back then, that humankind has unlearned through laziness. Could any of these professions be revived even today, in the modern age? And if yes, how could somebody go about doing that? | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 523 Registered: 04-2013 |
Patm, or ? From your 2014 post; what does the "n" stand for after a birth or death year? Example: Ptaah was born 1217n Ref: Posted by Patm on Thursday, October 30, 2014 - 01:34 pm: Michaelhelfert, Sfath lived from 801n to 1953n (1152 yrs old) Ptaah was born 1217n (in 2014 is 797 yrs old) Salome PatM Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2016 |
Kenneth, the "n" stands for "nach Jmmanuel" which translates into "after Jmmanuel". One could say Ptaah was born into the year 1217 after Jmmanuel. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Stardustwilly Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 01-2015 |
I can't put much of it all together myself, about the coming and goings and stayings here on earth. I was wondering how descriptive any of this is in the books for sale of the contact notes, what I have so far is vague. Like when the lyrians came here 22million years ago, and I get the impression these people lived here and didn't evolved technologically 21,611,000 round about something like that, lived how, spears? farming, huts, 21-22millions no progress, at the same time starting five million years the brownskins start evolving, and if I understood right, they died out, also somewhere along this timeline, the first wave of yellow skins came, and they died out, then the first wave of backs came, I read in one place, that only brownskins evolved here, and then other writing stated blackskins also evolved here, in addition to being imported here, Then it's criminals show up with a one way ticket to Earth.Just thinking wouldn't these first lyrian imigrants have spiritforms at least 22million years old, compared to the average Earth human with a couple million year old spiritform, that's a stretch. I was interested to know, when they migrate these person in mass, do they know what's going on? I mean how do they round these people up for transplant, are they already in migrant camps and are hungry, led by food, do they know where they're going, is this voluntary migration? They claim in the notes, or just go on and on, that overpopulation is such a crime, but just letting people out on a remote planet with nothing or little of anything, what is that called? | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 525 Registered: 04-2013 |
Ahaa, the “n” stands for nach or after Jmmanuel; that makes sense now, Thanks Cory. Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 400 Registered: 07-2006 |
Kenneth, Interesting question... The following information is from Billy's booklet "KALENDAR von 753 v. CHR. urbe condita bis 5000 n. Chr." Jmmanuel was born Monday, Feb 3rd in the year 2 v. Chr.(vor) (before Jmmanuel). Jmmanuel died Friday, May 9th in the year 111 n. Chr. (nach) (after Jmmanuel) 0 was neither a birth or death time/year but rather a instant that occurred between the year 1 v. Chr. (before Jmmanuel) and 1 n. Chr. (after Jmmanuel) according to the Gregorian Calendar. December 31st of the year 1 v, Chr. (before Jmmanuel) was a Friday (the year 1 v. Chr. was also a leap year). The instant 0 then occurred at the end of that year and was immediately followed by January 1, 1 n. Chr. (after Jmmanuel) which was a Saturday. Therefore 0 only existed as a non-time instant, not as a year. Hope this helps, Salome PatM | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 10-2016 |
Patm, I was unable to find this booklet you mentioned in the Swiss FIGU Shop. Can you provide me with a link to it? Thanks. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 402 Registered: 07-2006 |
Corey, Sorry I Spelled KALENDER incorrectly. It can be found here: https://shop.figu.org/b%C3%BCcher/kalender?language=en Salome PatM | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 528 Registered: 04-2013 |
Caucasians in ancient America, over 9,000 years old. The weave of their clothing is finer and more articulate than terrestrials of that time, more equivalent to what we see today. A 9,000 year old mummy, not related to the Paiute Shoshone Indians, was discovered. Unfortunately, politics and religious traditions and customs are preventing further study and identification. Artifacts older than 500 years are being destroyed. - - - - - - https://youtu.be/MDvqylL6f-A White Caucasian remains found in Ancient America. Indian tribes want to get rid of ALL white prehistorical evidence in America under the NAGPRA Law, they can claim ANY remains over 500 years old regardless if the remains are NOT even related to Indians genetically!!! As a comparison, also attached are pictures of the local Paiute Shoshone Indians that lived in Nevada, USA. As a comparison, included is a timeline of events that happened on Earth between 8,104 and 10,000 BCE: 8,104 BCE “The Destroyer Causes what is known popularly and traditionally as the great flood, on Earth. It was the consequence of a special rare long time event in the universe known as a planet transplant, which will not be establish able as a fact still for many hundreds of current time years. Before this time the Earth enjoyed a 40 hour day. The event caused the Earth's magnetic poles to move (or shift as some particularly enjoy saying), it's rotational time changed as well as its particular orbital time around its central star, the sun. Before this time the area around what is known today as Florida enjoyed conditions similar to that which we see at the poles, that is, year round sunshine. The area was particularly well known at that time for golden apples, what we call today oranges, as well as more generally in today's America for the Hyperion, what we today call the horse, as well as the avocado which back then was named differently, was specially genetically modified by the people of that time to feed to what we today call the pig. The great people of those times preceding this event recognised it would come to pass and were, with spaceships, able to disturb its orbit in such a way as to not incur a much greater devastation, that is to say, they lowered the potency of this event. The event occurred again and again but each subsequent time was a smaller devastation, as it orbited the sun and slowly stabilised its orbit in such a way that today or should we say, the last time, 1680, it was visible as the first comet for our modern records, but only had a much minor influence, such that the seasons of that time, weather and other things were influenced, but we only have small records of this of course from the handful of individuals of the time occupied with it.[225] 9,000 BCE The prophet Henoch is born. 9,498 BCE Greater Atlantis and Mu destroyed by Hyperboreans.[226]” ~10,000 BCE Academic Comparison\Cause and Effect: Holocene begins, Allerod oscillations bring transient improvement in climate. Sea levels rise abruptly inducing massive inland flooding due to glacier melt. The Bering Sea land bridge is covered in water. Long Island becomes an island. Lake Agassiz forms. A permanent ecological change occurs in Europe, Savannah-dwelling reindeer, bison, and Paleolithic hunters withdraw to the sub-Arctic leaving the rest to forest animals like deer, aurochs, and Mesolithic foragers. In North America many animals become extinct including the Dire Wolf, Smilodon, Giant Beaver, Ground Sloth, Giant Columbian Mammoth (Mammuthus columbi), Woolly Mammoth, Mastodons, Giant Short-Faced Bear, American Cheetah, Scimitar Cats (Homotherium), American Camels, American Horses and American Lions. Settling of Mediterranean isles re-begins, the Maglemosian people settle UK. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Event_Timeline   | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2016 |
Patm, thank you, I now have the booklet saved to my card as a result of your correction.  Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 10-2016 |
(Scott/Indi can you accept this one instead of the other one in queue? Thanks.) Kenneth, There were also supposedly Caucasian mummies discovered in South America, in Peru (Nasca region) who were very tall, I saw supposed pictures of some of them housed in a museum once. There is even under areas of South, and Central America, and even SW US, a supposed ancient artificial tunnel system (from Hyperboreans or ?) guarded by some of the jungle tribes. If this tunnel system is real, and actually exists, a picture of one of the entrances, and some of the treasure stash was photographed in the Erik van Daniken book "Gold of the Gods". The mystery of these tunnels is right up there with the pyramids all over South, and Central America. This is what I really want to tell you about: there are even Caucasian mummies in China, known as the mummies of Ürümchi, found in the present day area of the Chinese Turkestan in the Gobi desert. These Caucasians were unintentionally mummified, this is just something that happened in the passage of time. Archaeology indicates they were living in this area of the Gobi desert when it was a large lake (Mu days?), I read several books on these Chinese found mummies, several of the books had photos of the actual mummies. I asked Billy if he had any historical information on the mummies of Ürümchi, and he said "no". Unlike some of the other areas of the world where Caucasian mummies have been found, these mummies are not destroyed, they are venerated and treated with respect by the Chinese scientists, and the Chinese culture. History is sure fascinating, and Earth's history is full of secrets, and mysteries that will occupy future terrestrial time-travelers for a very long time no doubt. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 517 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Corey, RE. Tall Mummies in Peru: Billy mentions some tall tribes living in Peru: In CR 52 Semjase replies to a question of Billy re. the Indian giants that live in subterranean tunnels and leaf huts and attacked a village some 10 days before the CR meeting took place (= May 17, 1976). Semjase replies that very long ago this race descended from tall ETs that were about 210 cm tall. Their skin is reddish brown like that of other (Red) Indian races. But their hair is as well red. They live above ground in huts and as well below ground in underground villages they constructed.. She explains to Billy that they worried about descendants – that is why they started to rob some civilised women – esp. white ones. They were distant descendants of the Incas. In ancient times they fought bloody battles against another, more degenerate Incan tribe called the Chanca or Chanacs but some 500 years ago they left the Inca-tribes and retreated deep in the jungle. Salome, Bill | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 10-2016 |
Salome Bill, yes these pictures of the tall Peruvian mummies had red hair like you say. Very interesting, thank you. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2662 Registered: 12-1999 |
US military Kill Red Haired Giant (kandahar Afghanistan) 2016 ?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beF-e2FUYAk | ||
Stardustwilly Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 01-2015 |
I watched the youtube video, it didn't go into many details. Like if they ever found any remains of the first group. The place where the cave is, doesn't have much in the way of good land, looks like the only way the giant could eat, would have been by catching animals, and unfortunate people. I find it hard to believe the giant lived with nothing, meaning exactly that, owning nothing in that cave. This existence is supposed to by carried out year after year, even century and century? The story doesn't tell much. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 530 Registered: 04-2013 |
Stardustwilly, I'm on the fence on this issue. Nonetheless, both the Plejaren and Billy have said that there were many very large humans (giants) that were extraterrestrials on Earth at one time. >Giants & titans once lived on Earth >Giants, titans & cyclops - tall men, called "Goliaths"; served power-hungry kings as warriors >Easter Island - egg-shaped stones there represent spaceships of the giant Lyranians that had this shape >Other giant extraterrestrial races - not all are like the Lyranians, colonized all continents of Earth >Petrified 90-centimeter footprints of adolescent giants on Earth, 6 to 6.5 meters tall; average (~19 to ~21 feet tall). http://www.theyfly.com/cnotes.html Easter Island is one example where they landed in their spaceship. The Plejaren has also said that there are still some decedents of these giant races still living on Earth in very remote areas that have a very long lifespan. Contact Report 230 Part 1 http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_230 At first I thought that it was bogus; but then the more that I thought about it. . . . . Just like UFO’s, the government tries to keep all of this a secret and away from the public. But why didn’t the military patrol take pictures; unless that were confiscated as well? https://youtu.be/beF-e2FUYAk?t=85 I sent this information to a friend that was in the military and usually in the know on these issues; this is what this person said: Kenneth, I’m leaning toward believing this. I’ve heard “stray talk” over the years about the existence of giants in the Gobi Desert and other remote areas, to include Afghanistan. From experience I know that Special Operations groups respond immediately to these types of incidents and confiscate all shreds of evidence. Most; if not all, of this stuff ends up under layers and layers of security at Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio. (I’ve probably said too much.)  | ||
Kakush30 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2017 |
I want to ask some question related questions about very ancient history. The first Lyrians landed on earth 22 million years ago, even with human's geological sense, that is too much small time. 22 million years is nothing. 22 million years out of 6 bil years of earth life, that is like not even a second in 24 hours clock. That means earth history is far far greater than humans and those extraterrestrial entities that landed on Planet earth. My first questions is Q1 What caused the Permian extinction, there are lot of theories, like oxygen level on earth dropped from 30% to 10%, because of explosion of Serbian Traps, but those are all theories after all. Q2 What was the environment before cretaceous period, I mean how this was like. The Oxygen levels were pretty high around 30% and CO2 ranging from 2000-4000 ppm. In that sense we right now living in ice age. Q3 Do the earth really was in Snowball earth some 600 millions year ago, ice formations all the way upto equators? Q4 What was earth like before great oxidation event? I mean what was earth look like? There was any continent? What was the color of earth? Reddish? | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 538 Registered: 04-2011 |
CR 285 Stonehenge - The Horrible Truth Source: Figu Bulletin 47 http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/bulletin/2004/nr-47/stonehenge Article by G. Lanzendorfer (GL) , a Figu Core Group Member GL first points to the spectacle that each year takes place on June 21, at Stonehenge. He mentions that according to a newspaper report in 2003 some 30,000 “druids”, New Age fanatics and partying folks gathered to watch the early sunrise at Stone Henge. Would these “peace loving people” continue their pilgrimage if they would know what really happened at this place? GL points out that often on our planet the “good, old time” of “glorified ages past” were nothing but false imaginations. Often the deeply barbaric and delusional beliefs were hidden, blocked off and replaced by ‘idealized images’ or ‘alleged mysticism / secret knowledge’. As one of similar sample he mentions the idealization of Red Indian tribes of North America. The truth, he explains, is that women were used as work horses, suppressed and disregarded and that the wildlife was badly harmed through the catastrophic demeanour of their hunting. That contrary to common belief their hunting was sometimes simply carried out of a lust of killing. He mentions as well that the highly praised “mystic Mayan culture” was characterized by human sacrifice and sacrificial ritual/cults. To bring some light into the lies and mistaken beliefs that our “world history” proclaims, he then publishes the following discussion between Billy and Florena on Jul 2, 2000 (CR285): (As it is not mentioned tin the FutureofMankind website I translated it - there may be some mistakes in the translation – but the main points should be clear) CR 285 Florena: I have indeed occupied myself with the megalithic structure of Stonehenge. The site which is located in the area of Wiltshire in southern England was built in several building phases, whereby almost concentric circles of monumentally sized stones were inserted into an original ditch– and wall- ring with a radial extension. Initially it were indeed 30 stones, as you said, namely in the outer ring. This [ring] consisted of 4 m high stone pillars which were connected by capstones resp. horizontal beams, as you called them. In this ring resp. circle there was a structure in the form of a horseshoe. which consisted of 5 large, door like Triltithen (3 stones in the form of an upside down “U”) In the centre of both circles there was a structure, a large, carved stone which served as an altar and a sacrificial site and as a central observation and evaluation point for astronomical calculations. Furthermore the whole [structure] was as well a place of worship of a religious-barbaric form in which the altar played an important and very special part, because on it sacrifices were offered – it was not uncommon that these [sacrifices] were of the human kind. Thus the altar was a cult [ritual] sacrificial stone. Furthermore this cult [ritual] sacrificial stone was as well used as a stone of judgement which means that this stone was not only used to offer human sacrifices but as well to carry out executions of those that were sentenced [condemned] to death. Billy Then the whole [structure] was a place of cult and astronomy and at the same time a place of gore [blood sacrifice].. Florena This is correct, whereby, however, it must not be forgotten, that the very same place was as well a place of teaching and a place of judgement, as well over life and death. Naturally the many visitors of today are not aware that they honour and admire a place at which, death, delusional belief, murder and slaughter of humans were the order of the day. Be they the condemnations or be they the human sacrifices of a delusional cult, the killing of humans cannot simply be excused by the early culture or the allegedly high but unknown knowledge during those times. The unspeakable suffering which the sacrificed humans had to endure is today neither comprehensible nor can it be described. To be led to the altar, tied up and defenceless, in order to be brutally slaughtered as a sacrifice for “some” gods – this is neither adorable nor admirable. To be absolutely certain – no consideration was given to girls, boys, children, nor adults. There were others who were held responsible for deeds, were possibly condemned to death, though being innocent, and then executed and robbed of their life at Stonehenge. It was not a place of evolutionary values and creative knowledge, though in small groups smallest fragments of creative knowledge was taught. The same people that today revere the location as a “holy” place are perhaps the same ones that were as other personalities executed and sacrificed. Thus if we turn back the wheel of time and participate at the human sacrifice rituals: The people are savage, aggressive and delusional [have a delusional belief]. They are afraid of the forces of nature and a human life can quickly [easily] get lost through foreign hands. Even thought some of them study the stars and watch their orbits [motions], the people live with the delusional belief in some gods that demand sacrifices. The people are not aware of any spirit-evolutinary-creative principles [laws] or consciousness-related issues. The reverence towards their neighbour [fellow man] is relatively little and feuds are dealt with in blood. The people live in fear and anxiety, with a cult belief and idolatry and perform bloody rituals. In a consciousness=based, rational and intellectually highly developed culture, which is aware of the the creational laws and love for the fellow man no human sacrifices are offered to some imaginary gods. Civilised, rational and respectful and venerable humans would not put up with it, if their children, daughtes and sons were suffocated, stabbed to death, slit and bled to death Today’s male and female pilgrims would be shocked if they were put back in those times [gone by], to be present at the rituals. They would be relieved if they could promptly leave the place again. Nobody would give him/herself nor his/her children, friends, loved-ones or relatives voluntarily into the hands of the sacrificing priests. But these ancient activities and the specific purpose of the location are disregarded and [instead] worshiped as mysteries. However, how can one worship a place of torture and murder as “[a] holy [place]”? The sole fact that Stonehenge was as well a place where astronomical laws of the universe were studied, does not excuse the other and barbaric use of the place. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- The following s part may be Florena’s or GL’s closing words --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the other hand there are many inhumane practices in our world today that were retained from long ago: Worldwide thousands of people are tortured, raped, mistreated, arrested and ultimately murdered brutally. If Amnesty International was present at the time when Stonehenge was actively used, then this place would have went down in history as a place where human rights were violated and it would have occurred to none of the members to cultivate or maintain a ritual for this place. Stonehenge and other corresponding “places of power” are contemporary witnesses of a often ruthless and human- and life-threatening epoch of time of delusional belief and barbarism. That is why they should only serve as time witnesses of past times. In truth, however, they do not possess any educational values - neither in relation to evolution nor in relation to Creation – that would be important for humans of the New Time [Age]. For his spiritual and consciousness based evolution man does not need any cult building of stone nor allegedly mystical places, neither churches, chapels or pilgrimage sites, neither stone circles nor monoliths. The whole of Creation is enough a witness of the creative workings and the creative power. His own consciousness is the most precious instrument to fulfil his task, the main purpose of his life, , namely the conscious learning to perfect the evplution of Creation. ======================== GERMAN ORIGINAL================== Florena Mit der megalithischen Anlage von Stonehenge habe ich mich tatsächlich beschäftigt. Die im Gebiet von Wiltshire in Süd-England liegende Stätte wurde in mehreren Bauphasen gefertigt, wobei in einen ursprünglichen Graben- und Wallring mit radialem Fortsatz beinahe konzentrische Kreise aus mächtigen Steinen eingefügt wurden. Es waren erstlich tatsächlich 30 Steine, wie du sagtest, und zwar im äusseren Ring. Dieser bestand aus 4 m hohen Steinpfeilern, die durch Decksteine resp. durch Horizontalbalken, wie du sie nennst, verbunden waren. In diesem Ring resp. Kreis befand sich eine hufeisenförmige Setzung, die aus fünf grossen torartigen Trilithen bestand. Im Zentrum beider Kreise befand sich tatsächlich ein Gebilde, ein grosser gehauener Stein, das resp. der sowohl als Altar wie auch als Opferstätte und zentraler Beobachtungs- und Auswertungspunkt für astronomische Berechnungen diente. Ausserdem war das Ganze eine Kultstätte religiös-barbarischer Form, wobei der Altar eine wichtige und ganz besondere Rolle spielte, denn auf diesem wurden auch Opfer dargebracht, die nicht selten menschlicher Natur waren. Der Altar war damit auch ein Kultopferstein. Weiter wurde derselbe Altar und Kultopferstein auch als Richtstein genutzt, was bedeutet, dass darauf nicht nur Menschenopfer dargebracht wurden, sondern auch Hinrichtungen stattfanden in bezug auf zum Tode Verurteilte. Billy Dann war das Ganze eine Kultstätte sowie Astronomiestätte und Blutstätte zugleich. Florena Das ist richtig, wobei jedoch nicht zu vergessen ist, dass daselbst auch gelehrt und über Recht oder Unrecht und damit auch über Leben und Tod entschieden wurde. Natürlich ist es den vielen heutigen Besucher/innen von Stonehenge nicht bewusst, dass sie einen Ort verehren und bewundern, an dem Tod, Wahnglaube, Ermordung und Abschlachtung von Menschen an der Tagesordnung waren. Ob es sich nun um Verurteilungen oder um Menschenopfer eines Wahnkultes handelt, kann das Töten von Menschen nicht einfach mit der frühen Kultur oder mit dem vermeintlich grossen und doch unbekannten Wissen der damaligen Zeit entschuldigt werden. Das unsägliche Leid, das die geopferten Menschen durchzumachen hatten, ist heute weder nachvollziehbar noch zu beschreiben. Gefesselt und wehrlos zum Altar geführt zu werden, um als Opfergabe an irgendwelche Götter brutal abgeschlachtet zu werden, ist weder verehrungs- noch bewunderungswürdig. Mit absoluter Sicherheit wurde dabei weder auf Mädchen, Knaben, Kinder noch Erwachsene Rücksicht genommen. Andere wiederum hatten sich für irgendwelche Taten zu verantworten, wurden unter Umständen unschuldig zum Tode verurteilt und daraufhin in Stonehenge hingerichtet und des Lebens beraubt. Es war kein Ort von evolutiven Werten und schöpferischem Wissen, auch wenn vielleicht in kleinen Gruppen kleinste Teilbereiche schöpferischer Erkenntnisse gelehrt wurden. Dieselben Menschen, die heute aus Unwissenheit und Bewunderung den Ort als ‹heilig› verehren, sind vielleicht damals als andere Persönlichkeiten selbst hingerichtet und geopfert worden. Drehen wir also das Rad der Zeit zurück und nehmen in Stonehenge an Menschen-Opfer-Ritualen teil: Die Menschen sind wild, kämpferisch und wahngläubig. Sie fürchten sich vor den Gewalten der Natur, und ein Menschenleben kann schnell durch fremde Hand verlorengehen. Obwohl einige unter ihnen die Sterne studieren und ihre Bahnen beobachten, leben die Menschen in tiefem Wahnglauben an irgendwelche opferfordernden Gottheiten. Die Menschen sind sich keiner geist-evolutiv-schöpferischer Gesetzmässigkeiten oder bewusstseinsmässiger Belange bewusst. Die Ehrfurcht vor dem Nächsten ist relativ gering und Fehden werden blutig ausgetragen. Die Menschen leben in Furcht und Angst, in Kultgläubigkeit und Götterverehrung, und sie pflegen blutige Rituale. In einer bewusstseins-, vernunfts- und verstandesmässig hoch entwickelten Kultur, die sich der schöpferischen Gesetzmässigkeit und der Nächstenliebe bewusst ist, werden keine Menschenopfer an irgendwelche imaginären Gottheiten gebracht. Zivilisierte, vernünftige, respektvolle und ehrfürchtige Menschen würden es nicht ertragen, wenn ihre Kinder, Töchter und Söhne für eine barbarische und imaginäre Gottheit auf dem Altar erstickt, erstochen, aufgeschlitzt oder ausgeblutet würden. Die heutigen Stonehenge-Pilger/innen wären über diese Vorgänge schockiert, wenn sie in jene Zeiten zurückversetzt würden, um bei den Ritualen anwesend zu sein. Sie wären froh, sie könnten den Ort umgehend wieder verlassen. Niemand würde wohl sich selbst noch seine Kinder, Freunde, Lieben oder Angehörigen freiwillig in die Hände der Opferpriester geben. Dennoch werden diese ehemaligen Handlungen und der eigentliche Zweck des Ortes ausser acht gelassen und als mystisch verehrt. Wie kann jedoch ein Ort des Folterns und des Mordens als ‹heilig› verehrt werden? Die Tatsache allein, dass in Stonehenge auch die astronomischen Gesetze des Universums studiert wurden, entschuldigt nicht die andere und barbarische Nutzung der Anlage. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andererseits haben sich auf unserer Welt viele menschenunwürdige Praktiken seit jeher erhalten: Weltweit werden täglich Tausende von Menschen gefoltert, vergewaltigt, misshandelt, eingesperrt und letztendlich brutal ermordet. Hätte es beispielsweise zu jener Zeit der aktiven Nutzung von Stonehenge die Menschenrechtsorganisation Amnesty International bereits gegeben, dann wäre dieser Ort als menschenrechtsverletzend in die Geschichte eingegangen und keinem der Mitglieder wäre es in den Sinn gekommen, einen Kult um diesen Ort zu pflegen oder aufrechtzuerhalten. Stonehenge und andere diesbezügliche ‹Kraftorte› stellen Zeitzeugen einer oftmals rohen sowie menschen- und lebensfeindlichen Epoche des Wahnglaubens und Barbarentums dar. Daher sollten sie lediglich als Zeitzeugen vergangener Zeiten ihre Aufgabe erfüllen. Tatsächlich jedoch verfügen sie über keinerlei evolutive oder schöpferisch lehrreiche Werte, denen nachzueifern für die Menschen der Neuzeit von Wichtigkeit wäre. Der Mensch benötigt für seine ‹geistige› und bewusstseinsmässige Evolution weder steinerne Kult-Bauten noch vermeintlich mystische Orte, weder Kirchen, Kapellen noch Wallfahrtsorte, weder Steinkreise noch Monolithen. Die gesamte Schöpfung ist ihm Zeuge schöpferischen Wirkens und Schaffenskraft genug. Sein eigenes Bewusstsein ist das wertvollste Instrument zur Erfüllung seiner Aufgabe, dem; so nämlich das bewusste Lernen zur Vervollkommnung und Evolution der Schöpfung. |
