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Afonso11
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 02-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2017 - 09:04 pm: | 
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new initiation, I can assure you that I don't take anyone's words as gospel, not even say, the plejaren. I think they would want it that way (for our sakes), but that's just an opinion. astute? I guess i'm astute enough to know good advice when I hear it (it makes sense to my mind and to my heart equally)and I have gotten much good advice from mr. meier and friends over many years as i'm sure many, many have. I pay attention and put the advice to the test in the real material world with all its good and bad. simplistic, I know , but let that suffice, for now.
what "two sides" are you referring to?
what "things" of ms. hudes' have you been made aware of?
if you've listened to her for the last 4-5 years then why did you refer me (us really, right?) to a site (washingtonsworld) that ostensibly shows ambiguities, contradictions, and false compassion, among other "anomalies", in my view.
not to mention that it is, at once, trying to be both sympathetic and antipathetic. can't have your cake and eat it too, now can we?
that site has two glaring "anomalies": the global debt facility link goes nowhere and the global currency reset link goes to a site called "globalcurrencyreset.net/what-is-the-global-currency-reset?" which contains disinformation relating not to hudes but the theoretical reset using the special drawing rights (sdr) basket of best performing currencies to re-vamp the ailing system. this is misdirection, and pretty blatant if you ask me. another related link went to an interview of her by lars schall. this one was actually the most in depth and informative out of the three but I believe there's a caveat with that site but i'm not sure so i'll double check when I have a moment.
since you've studied her so long you must be aware of her working at the world bank for over twenty years?
and actually hired by the world bank to root out corruption?
and how she reported that corruption all the way up the ladder and was finally fired for her efforts? and how she bought a world bank bond, sued and was re-instated?
her statements and work with senators hagel, lugar, leahy, and bey?
her insistence that vice admiral tim giardina and major general Michael carey be re-instated after having been fired on frivolous charges after they refused to nuke Charleston in October of 2013? (that one's a doozey)
or the ucc-1 filings (the guys and gals out there in the law and finance worlds will know better than most) that have in effect disclosed that the fed and the other u.s. central banks are insolvent and are to be wound down under the bankruptcy proceedings of the respective countries where these banks are located? the list goes on and on and on.
tangible proof? I don't understand why you don't have more examples of proof than I, myself, have, given that you have listened to her longer than I have if what you say about 4-5 years is true. I am, however, incredulous. |
Afonso11
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 02-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2017 - 09:08 pm: |
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happy birthday mr. meier. many thanks for what you have done and given us. you truly are the keeper of the treasure. best regards |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 122
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2017 - 06:02 am: |
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Norm, I've read what was discussed between Billy and Ptaah in Contact Report 655, but it left me with a feeling of uncertainty as to whether or not we will actually go through with it. Despite the EU bill being passed through parliament with a majority vote of 498 to 114, it seems our politicians are still trying to stop it from happening. Billy wasn't clear about it unfortunately. He ended the conversation with Ptaah wishing the EU-Dictatorship will one day go down the drain.
Let's hope it will. Let's hope our politicians don't undermine democracy. |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 252
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2017 - 06:50 am: |
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Also some of you "on this forum and outside this forum" from other Countries need to be very honest with yourself and admit you do not give a Damn about the fate of Americans and you just are sitting back, eating your popcorn and considering all of this information pertaining to America as entertainment...
My thoughts..after reading MH's lastest post
I'm not sure how this happened but most Men in my opinion are becoming Soft and do not understand Strength and how to render Compassion and at some point there must be Gentle Force without violence...
Women have taken the Art of Deception to a all-new High which in my opinion paralyzes a genuine man's abilities to trust a woman.... in other words the intimate bond between men and women is definitely compromised and in disrepair..... overpopulation has definitely played a key factor... and most definitely the religious delusions about our role as men and women
MsMichelle
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Historeed
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Post Number: 93
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2017 - 09:14 am: |
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Below is a full-page advertisement from the New York Times that Donald Trump sponsored in 1989. To the best of my knowledge, he still feels this way:
Here is a great article by FIGU member Achim Wolf about why the death penalty is wrong and its effect of those who carry out this barbaric act.
http://beam2eng.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/the-suffering-of-executioner-and-why.html?view=flipcard
Matthew Reed
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Norm
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Post Number: 46
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2017 - 05:42 pm: |
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Europe to CRUMBLE? Continent to face CIVIL WAR within 30 YEARS, Belgian historian claims
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/763004/Europe-civil-war-European-Union-David-Engels-authoritarian-30-years-migrant-crisis |
Norm
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Post Number: 47
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2017 - 05:10 pm: |
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Kenneth,
"Trump is moving fast because of those that you mentioned and others, are progressing swiftly in opposition to him. No matter what Trump does, the Main Stream Media will blow it out of proportion. The far Left and the far Right look as if their crazy to begin with.
I think I agree with you now. They are in an all out non-stop War with him. Its insane whats going on. They literately think he's Adolf Hitler. That's how they see it. Even the MSM & Hollywood. Maybe he needs to go even faster. Get his appointees in their positions. That why the Democrats are delaying everything. I just wonder how coordinated it is behind the scenes to stop him. |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 123
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2017 - 08:54 am: |
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MsMichelle,
You said:
"Also some of you "on this forum and outside this forum" from other Countries need to be very honest with yourself and admit you do not give a Damn about the fate of Americans and you just are sitting back, eating your popcorn and considering all of this information pertaining to America as entertainment..."
What do you care if people from other nations don't care about the fate of Americans? It's been my understanding for many years now that Americans don't care about other nations and that they seem to have this attitude that the world begins and ends with America. Admittedly, Americans aren't my favourite people. I've always said, I'd love to go to America, but you'd have to kick the Americans out first. But my dislike of Americans is as a people, not as individuals. After all, the man I admire the most was an American: the great Henry Miller. But he was so Anti-American, wasn't he? I look at America now and I remember all the things he said about it, and he was right.
But what you have said is self-pitying rubbish! I care very much about what happens to the people in America. I shat myself when Trump was elected. I thought he was a racist egomaniac and that he was sure to start a civil war. I thought that before I read what Billy had to say about him and before I read about the prediction of a coming civil war in 2020. I wanted Clinton to be president because after a black president, a female president would surely have shown America to have moved forward. Now I'm glad Trump is president, being the lesser evil. And then I thought, we are so used to listening to politicians lie to us that honest, truthful words sound harsh and offensive. Trump probably won't make a good president, but at least he's forthright. He might lead America to civil war, and if he does the whole world will have its eyes on America. And, yeah, some of us will judge, some of us will think, crazy effing Americans with their guns and sense of self-entitlement, but we'll all care because we'll all be impacted by what happens.
That isn't to say that I don't think Americans have it coming. I think we've all had too much of a good thing in the West, and I think we've all got it coming... especially Americans.} |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 561
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2017 - 08:53 pm: |
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Joseph_emmanuel
It’s relatively easy to understand where you are coming from. What the majority of the world perceives regarding Americans are actually what the government bureaucrats portray that actually do not follow through with what they promised when elected; the Main Stream Media, (MSM) misrepresents the facts; a large portion of the American people do not trust the MSM because they twists everything around; very little truth is actually presented on how the American people view other nations.
For instance; the MSM almost daily publishes how the American people do not trust Russia, this is MSM and the Military Industrial Complex trying to convince Americans how to feel adversely and antagonistic towards Russia leading to saber rattling and conceivable war.
American Bases in various countries pushing a particular style of government on different nation is not the American people. This has to do with the Secret Government that most Americans know nothing about, certain political leaders, heads of the World Banks and the principals of the Military Industrial Complex; not the American people per say.
Kenneth |
Hugo
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Post Number: 325
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2017 - 10:48 pm: |
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People in America have woken up to the establishment and controlled MSM. Good! |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1751
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2017 - 11:41 pm: |
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Michelle I would ask this question before making the kind of statement you did.
How much of a damn does the US give about the world and its people and if the answer is yes in all conscience could the US have:-
Toppled legitimately elected governments; assassinated statesmen from various nations not favourable to its goals; funded terrorist states and organisations to commit terror against its own people; commit genocide against the local population through sanctions on the pretext of non existent WMD; dropped not one but two atom bombs based on a lie that resulted in hundreds of thousands dead; built hundreds of military bases and weapons installation not to mention torture cells all over the globe so that it could play world's police; meddled in the domestic affairs of other countries; conducted the most heinous secret experiments on live human beings that makes the unit 731 look like Jamie Oliver's cooking show; stolen huge quantities of natural resources from other countries; installed dictators favourable to its selfish interests resulting in mass genocide; droned scores of innocent people including on their wedding day; perpetuated endless wars and conflicts around the world for profit for the merchant of death industries; decimated other cultures and brought chaos to their society through filthy, vile and disgusting ideals through propaganda arm of CIA mass media outlets and Hollyweird; blanketed the entire agicultural products and livesock with cancer causing chemicals and hormones; destroyed prestine natural environment of other nations via its profit greedy corporations; contaminated the entire globe with ionising radiation from its nuclear experiments on land, sea and air; caused massive earthquakes via secret weapons experimentation that killed many people; provoke other nation into war; engaged in human trafficking and endless proliferation of dangerous drugs etc etc etc
The US is the most powerful nation on earth with its tentacles stretched all over the globe therefore the fate of the US is inextricable interconnected and intertwined with every other nation but it is also the worst human rights offender hence the reason why your country is still the center of attention and discussion.
As Billy said most people want peace but some virulent section of your country men are constantly forcing other people's hands.
So the question to you is how much do you care about your own country to care about the fate of other country men as at the end of the day no earth no country. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1752
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2017 - 12:05 am: |
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Afonso my position on Hudes is that she is a well meaning whistleblower but she is not above criticism just as you and I aren't either especially given that she and everyone else is not in the same position as Billy Meier for our sources and conclusions to be impeccably correct all the time.
She can and has done good but C'mon 170,000 tonnes of gold in Hawaii?????????
What proof? Even if it was true how would a lowly lawyer at the worldbank know this.
She has been fed some golden nuggets big time by her sources who I am speculating to be disinfo agents to undermine her credibility.
For what its worth I made an indirect reference about Hudes on this forum back in 2013 and back then I was as enthusiastic as you were about her revelations
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http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13368.html#POST68270 |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1753
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2017 - 12:11 am: |
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Michael Helfert you have a good grasp of the enlish language so maybe you could draft a letter to Trump and all of us here can give you constructive criticism? |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1754
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2017 - 04:23 am: |
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Joseph I'd have to agree with your statement that Americans have it coming but then again we all do |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 124
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2017 - 05:11 am: |
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Kenneth
That was informative. Thanks. It makes me wonder if the British people are misrepresented by our own government and mainstream media, and other nations likewise. I don't know what impression Americans have of us. Personally, I hate it that our politicians pander to American policy in the name of our "special relationship". But if they don't, how will this affect us economically? If we don't pander to EU policy, how will this affect us economically? Brave politicians could cause a nation to be reduced to its lowest level, forcing ordinary people to struggle to survive, and those with fight in them to attempt to overthrow the government. Cowardly politicians keep nations afloat. Maybe if the UK does leave the EU (and I hope it does), that is what we've got to look forward to. Maybe that's what Americans have got to look forward to. Both countries are divided, with one half wanting to maintain the way of life we are used to and the other half wanting change. |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 127
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2017 - 06:52 am: |
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So here we go again!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38868571
Clint Eastwood referred to this generation as the pussy generation. Now I'm not old school, but I like to think that I have some grit about my character, and quite frankly I am inclined to agree with him.
What is it with Americans? Don't they care about the safety of their home? Do they want to leave the door open so that any stranger can walk in? One of the reasons Brexit is happening in the UK is because of the uncontrolled flow of immigration. Now although our prime minister hasn't called for a ban on travellers from certain countries and detained such individuals, the control of our borders is a priority however she intends to deal with it. Maybe some of us here will create an uproar should the same happen, but these people in my mind are stupid and unthinking.
Trump isn't torturing these people, is he? I'm not missing something, am I? He's just saying this is our country and you have to respect our laws. Why do Americans (granted not all Americans) have a problem with that? Surely your own home and family come first?
People are too accepting and too self-righteous for their own good.
In the link above there is sentence that reads: "Several airlines have said they are allowing nationals targeted by the ban to board flights to America."
This is moronic! What is it that Americans fail to comprehend with regard to their safety? I bet this would never have happened in 2001. What has happened since to the American people? |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 562
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2017 - 10:57 am: |
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Published on Jan 28, 2017:
Edward Snowden talks about Donald Trump; the DNC being hacked; Russian society etc.
https://youtu.be/mmZpMqMxo2Q
Kenneth
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Hugo
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Post Number: 328
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2017 - 01:31 pm: |
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Joseph_emmanuel wrote: "What is it with Americans? Don't they care about the safety of their home? Do they want to leave the door open so that any stranger can walk in? One of the reasons Brexit is happening in the UK is because of the uncontrolled flow of immigration.....This is moronic! What is it that Americans fail to comprehend with regard to their safety? I bet this would never have happened in 2001. What has happened since to the American people?"
Blame the establishment and MSM who gave rise to many dumb and suicidal leftist people that fell for their propaganda. Dumb sheep are found everywhere, not just America! |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1755
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2017 - 11:12 am: |
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Joseph as you may well have established Obama was compromised big time even to the extent of ordering $64,000 worth of hotdogs (https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/06/obama-spent-65k-flying-in-pizza-and-hotdogs-from-chicago-to-white-house-private-party-code-words-anyone/) and playing ping pong with children at comet pizza.
So can you imagine what other things he was forced to do by his controllers behind closed doors.
The shadow government, Kleptocracy, cabal, globalists, internationalists, elites, dark order, corporatocracy, synarchist, eastern establishment, DC establishment, illuminati or whatever these dark forces are called must have had a field day with Obama ordering him to bring in as many illegal immigrants to unleash a controlled chaos as part of their Satanic agendas to create conflict and mass death.
Its absolutely amazing how a pack of wolves can direct a band of sheep in any direction just by establishing a few control points and I gather that the political power structure works just the same whereby policies both domestic and international are made by a handful of people but effect many millions of people because the rest have no say in it.
The appeal to authority and the tendency for people to acquiesce at the sight of perceived authority is one successful method of controlling the masses I guess therefore the reason why they tolerate worse and worst conditions imaginable hence the reason why without a charismatic leader to follow you don't already have a revolution and mass uprising in the US and this religious tendency being cultivated by stealthy psychological warfare office of the CIA and secret group within a group that control it with their Satanic Giza intel doctrines from cradle to grave.
So I agree with Kenneth that when we are talking about the American people its not the masses per se although as I see it they are partly to blame for being so apathetic and dissociated so much so that the political establishment has willy nilly done what it has for so long.
Not all of course but the damning conclusion is that we are all 'controlled' stupid and you don't just have to be an American to be one. |
Votan
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Post Number: 687
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2017 - 01:17 pm: |
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Joseph_emmanuel
Do you bring any good news to this forum ?
joe
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Norm
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2017 - 08:53 am: |
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Joseph_emmanuel, This is moronic! What is it that Americans fail to comprehend with regard to their safety? I bet this would never have happened in 2001. What has happened since to the American people?
Answer,
Anti-Logos, Cultural Marxism, Political Correctness
Female Trump Riot Victim Attacked At Berkeley Gives Infowars Exclusive
https://youtu.be/x_O6WeNJnYY |
Norm
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Post Number: 50
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2017 - 08:30 am: |
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More Examples of MSM lying.
Institutional Irresponsibility
https://youtu.be/rLUC3POVpoA |
Afonso11
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 02-2016
| | Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2017 - 07:34 am: |
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newinitiation, is this discussion i'm having with you more about concepts of "equality" among human beings or was the question simply "is Karen hudes telling the truth"?
you are correct in saying that she is not above criticism and she quite competently defends herself by providing the supporting documentation on a daily basis for the shills of the banking cartel that are trying to undermine her work for the benefit of humanity.
in my opinion, you are operating in the vague grey area between the Truth and the Lie.
you are not even bothering to address my last questions to you before you move on to another mix of sympathy and derision. that's my criticism of your "rationale"; this my critique. please respond to the specific points of that critique instead of trying to change the subject with peripheral info.
so, since it seems you are hesitant to respond to my last questions, I would like to ask you to answer a couple of questions you brought up in your last response:
when you say "well-meaning whistleblower", what do you mean by "well-meaning"?
you called her a "genuine whistleblower" in a previous post so it begs the question "what is she blowing the whistle on?" if she is in fact "genuine"?
are you saying that she is lying about the 170,000 tonnes (yes, metric tons) in the bank of Hawaii and which belongs to the u.s. and is held in the accounts of the global debt facility?
then does the same go for the 1,700,000 ton(nes) in various phillipines locations? not to mention silver, diamonds, artwork, etc.,or all the other locations where humanity's gold is being held?
which "sources" do you suspect are disinfo agents? representing whom, in your opinion?
if she is not on the level, why then the continuous attacks from shills, disinfo agents, attempts on her life, and, of course, the near total media blackout on her, both from the controlled main stream media and most of the "alternative" media?
what are those"golden nuggets" of info that you refer to?
what do you mean by "undermining her credibility" are you saying she is, in fact, credible? or not?
is she not credible when she says that the commercial liens and ucc filings with the secretaries of state of the 12 states where the central (fed) banks are located have great legal validity?
and why do donald trump, joseph dunford (again, to name but a few) and anyone else named on the liens say nothing when she calls them traitors and frauds? and all this on world bank stationery?
or , for example, how bertand badre acting as interim president of the world bank very unwisely tried to have her arrested, declare the global debt facility invalid, and have the HERITAGE DOCUMENTS shredded and expunged-in effect wishing to destroy evidence- and was promptly fired by the board of governors for exceeding his authority?
was he not aware that the secretariat (the president and managing director)of the world bank does not speak for the board of directors or the executive directors? ref.- s3amazonaws.com/khudes/twitter2.24.16.pdf
and just a few more quick questions:
is she lying when she says that generals joseph dunford, martin Dempsey (dunford's predecessor),inspector general john rymer, muriel bowser (d.c's mayor), peter newsham, the chief of police, et. al., who have been mailed the liens, have not even bothered to respond to the statements justifying the "injuries" which oblige the use of those liens as "legal remedy", thereby bankrupting those individuals who do not respond to those liens, thereby consenting by their omission of response and with their silence?
is it not factual when she says that she and Elaine colville (another, british, whistleblower) put these issues before parliament?
is she pulling our collective leg when she says that country debt is a scam initiated by the cartel way back when, and will be offset by the treaty of Versailles bonds issued in 1933 that are now due and represent 2 quadrillion (that's a "q" not a "t") that the one bank/dark order/network of global corporate control owes to humanity, more than humanity owes them?
how about her invalidation of an attempt by the cartel to buy back their bonds, at a steep discount?
if you choose to respond to these questions I have for you, then please try to provide specifics (you know- dates, names, publications, etc.) that I, and anyone else who wishes to find out for themselves can verify and cross-check and therefore "keep everyone honest" as they say.
I stand by what I said on jan. 29 here and call specific attention to the last couple of lines beginning with "misdirection tactics..."
for your (and anyone else's) consideration: www.barefootsworld.net/admiralty.html
i'll provide you soon with a rather long list of sources that corroborate the above and much more.
we can perhaps go through it and see what is valid and what is not. merely giving dismissive statements without backing them up is counterproductive at best, insidious at worst. |
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