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Stefan_z2
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Post Number: 65
Registered: 12-2014
| | Posted on Saturday, January 30, 2016 - 11:07 pm: | 
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Hi Fellows,
See the following research study:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0147905
I like the opportunity of in the future using its statistics and formulas for no-nonsense argumentations with those that want to manipulate public opinions and those that fell already victim to them. The science of climate change being a prime example.
I guess that it was unintentional, but nevertheless very nasty, that the authors did apparently not think enough, before all too easily picking or receiving their parameter values for the Apollo 11 case example. They grossly oversimplified matters by assuming that the total workforce of 411,000 people at NASA would have been required to participate in a potential plot. That while we learned from the contact notes that a mere 37 sufficed for running the show.
It was further on very naïve by the researchers to assume that each and every conspirational manoeuver that works by later on “removing” participants over time would only increase the risk of disclosure. That is certainly not the case, when the perpetrators have deep pockets, plenty of power and a lack of scruples.
I did also not like that the authors all too carelessly miscategorised the cited David Perlmutter paper as “comprehensively debunking inconsistencies in pictures taken on the moon’s surface”. Read it for yourself, many counterarguments rely on nothing else but unverified claims by some NASA personnel, and the document does not assert a successful definite debunking:
http://www.davidperlmutter-research.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Invisible-evidence.pdf
When now applying their right formula with the right input parameter values, it is clear that chances for a future disclosure are meanwhile already virtually down to 0%. At least till earth historians in the future using time travel for verifying things, or as Billy cited Ptaah in contact 238
“…doch vielleicht werden auch andere Umstände zur Aufdeckung der Wahrheit führen, wie du damals angedeutet hast…”.
“…but perhaps other circumstances will lead to uncovering of the truth, as you had indicated at that time…”
Salome,
Stefan |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 249
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2016 - 09:31 pm: |
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Stefan_z2,
Very interesting information. We all know that numbers can be manipulated in any formula for a desired result to sway popular opinion. Even if NASA had used different numbers in their calculation to prove that Apollo-11 was not a conspiratorial maneuver, or prove the truth to only be a conspiracy; the fact remains that Apollo-11 was a hoax. When any particular conspiracy is in fact the truth; are these calculations then providing an injustice? My point is, how do these formulas tell the difference between the truth and a non-truth?
Good input thanks
Kenneth |
Hugo
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Post Number: 146
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Monday, February 01, 2016 - 12:06 pm: |
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I think the truth that Apollo 11 was a hoax might be discovered conclusively when we land on the spot where the lunar rover and capsule is and discover that the surrounding hills and terrain is different to what everyone saw on TV. |
Memo00
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Post Number: 639
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 - 12:57 pm: |
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This is an interesting prediction about the fake moon landing by an argentinian clairvoyant called Benjamín Solari Parravicini:
"Men will arrive to the moon - they will be on it without being - see without seeing - listen without listening - return without returning, Beware!" BSP 1940
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Memo00
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Post Number: 640
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 - 12:47 pm: |
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No, because the US did land on the moon (but years later after the fraud). |
Hugo
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Post Number: 148
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 - 10:55 pm: |
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Memo00,
I think you misunderstood what I meant there. The first moon landing was faked down here with Earth terrain. When the US put that planted rover and capsule later on the moon, they wouldn't have been able to find terrain on moon that was exactly the same, nor would they have been able to move dirt around and make that terrain on moon either. It's not going to match what everyone saw on TV with Apollo 11. |
Memo00
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Post Number: 642
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2016 - 06:38 am: |
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Billy has explained that the Moon landing fraud would not be discovered. I think it is no "coincidence" at all that NASA continues releasing "new" (or higher quality) photos so much years after. Billy also explained that when they really arrived to the moon they left all the objects that were supposed to be left in the fake moon landing. Probably it will be until time travel is discovered that the world will know the truth about many historic events. Anyway by then the US will not exist as we know them right now so there will be no one to "defend the honour" of the country and its brave astronauts.
Salome |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 251
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, February 06, 2016 - 09:10 am: |
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MemoOO,
You're absolutely correct. NASA will not and cannot allow anything or anyone to jeopardize their credibility as long as this organization exists. The landing site on the moon of Apollo-11 will continually be tweaked and adjusted as technology advances. NASA will continually push the conspiracy issue. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 282
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2016 - 09:02 am: |
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Buzz Aldrin (American Astronaut) is now laundering his book “No Dream is Too High” on the Apollo 11 Moon landing. One of two issues are happening here. Either Aldrin is perpetuating the lie with the fake Moon landing in 1969 or he has undergone some mind altering psychotherapy. Had he exposed the fake Moon landing, there is no doubt that he would have died a protagonist hero.
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 282
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2016 - 01:38 pm: |
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Oh yeah, need to include the link to the 2nd man (on the Moon) to lie about walking on the moon. Well, to be fair, Aldrin did walk on a man-made moon surface constructed in a warehouse in The old Grumman Aerospace hanger’s in Bethpage, Long Island, NY, where the “event” took place. .
http://www.businessinsider.com/buzz-aldrin-life-lessons-book-no-dream-is-too-high-2016-4
Aerial shot is where G-man said that the fake Apollo Moon landing took place.
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 422
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2016 - 08:08 pm: |
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In the beginning of the 1960’s the Russians were far ahead of the United State in space technology, especially with superior rocket engines. The Russians were the first with the ICBM (Intercontinental Ballistic Missile), first with the satellite sputnik; first with a dog in space. Then the first man in space, first woman in space, first with three men in space, first extra vehicular activity in space, first with a spacecraft to hit the moon.
The NK-33 and RD-180 Russian rocket engine was designed by chief rocket designer Sergey Korolev, which were far beyond what could be built in the West. The idea that the technology of the United States was not superior or equal to the Russians was a hard pill to swallow.
During routine surgery, Sergey Korolev mysteriously died on January 14, 1966; don't know if foul play was involved? Korolev, the one person that could galvanize the Russian space program against the Americans, was gone.
The Russians suffered a couple more launch failures with massive explosions in 1969. Then on January 20, 1969, NASA faked Apollo 11 moon landing. Russia back out of the Moon race, assuming of course that the landing had actually happened.
"The RD-180 is a rocket engine designed and build in Russia for their Soviet Energia Launch vehicle. It features a dual-combustion chamber, dual-nozzle design and is fueled by a kerosene / LOX mixture. Currently RD-180 engines are used for the first stage of the U.S. Atlas V launch vehicle." That’s right, the U.S. and Russia now work together. Russia has also evidently sold this special rocket engine to China, for their moon rover “Jade Rabbit”.
http://russiapedia.rt.com/prominent-russians/space-and-aviation/sergey-korolev/
Salome
Kenneth |
Kiwilove
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Post Number: 188
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2017 - 01:53 pm: |
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The only proof that was offered that Apollo 11 landed on the Moon, that could be checked on the Earth, would be a reflector that would bounce a laser beam back to Earth - from what I remember. So if it the mission was faked - then at least they would have had to land/place a reflector at that location to back up the idea that Apollo 11 landed on the Moon.
What should puzzle the public - is how the Moon remained off limits to mankind? Why didn't NASA use the moon to test out it's Mars exploration vehicles etc - so as to guarantee? a non-failure rate with the Mars missions? Oh, they didn't want to spend that extra cost? And ended up with the complete loss of certain missions that ended in failure.
If NASA really wanted to gain public support for it's funding/etc - wouldn't it make sense to have controllable rovers over the Moon, which the public can access - so that children growing up can take a personal interest in the Moon - and science, etc.
There are so many questions people can ask - which highlight the secrecy surrounding the Moon. Like no one bothers to notice how the Earth cannot have the Moon as it's natural companion when no other planet the size of Earth, has a huge moon as being natural to it. You have to look at Jupiter or Saturn moons to see how odd our Moon is, to us.
It surprises me, how people do not question the 'accepted theory' of how our Moon originated - was once part of that mass of the early Earth, in it's formation.
Likewise - the asteroid belt - was once a planet - but no, we're told - that there isn't the mass there - for it have been a planet?
Then the question should become - but if a planet existed there, and was destroyed - would it not be like a asteroid field or belt? Like how it is now?
What I am saying - is that we should be happy with satisfactory answers that do appear to fit, instead of answers which simply don't fit at all but imply something else happened instead.
The questioning should never stop - until something is found that fits better than the standard answer we are given. |
Hugo
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Post Number: 319
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2017 - 08:25 pm: |
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Kiwilove, I think our scientists should have figured out that the planet Venus could NOT have been there for very long and it had to come from much further out of our solar system because of the high water content still in air there. Also it spins in opposite direction to all other planets so that is another hint it did not originate there. The contact notes say it was a moon of Neptune or Uranus. I forgot which one. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1263
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2017 - 09:31 am: |
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Regarding the moon see:
http://www.theyfly.com/Moon_Origin.htm
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/11/prweb4801164.htm
Regarding Venus see:
http://theyfly.com/A-Sampling-of-Evidence.html |
Learnmore12
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Post Number: 81
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2017 - 08:48 pm: |
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There is a movie called "Operation Avalanche" which shows how they faked the moon landing and the reason behind it. I was surprised to see this movie. Anyone interested should watch this movie.
Jessy |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 566
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 - 08:54 am: |
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Thanks Jessy,
Operation Avalanche: This film just came out last year (2016) about Apollo-11. This is in line with what Billy and the Plejaren have been saying.
“In 1967, four undercover CIA agents were sent to NASA posing as a documentary film crew. What they discovered led to one of the biggest conspiracies in American history.”
Trailer:
https://youtu.be/BJ6IPQ2lTeQ
Kenneth |
Hugo
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Post Number: 331
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 - 06:10 pm: |
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Kenneth, after the likely breakup of the USA around 2020 I would not be surprised if Russia reveals how the first moon landing was a hoax if they have some form of proof to back it up.
No one's ego in the US would get hurt much if it exists no more. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 569
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 - 03:47 pm: |
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While we are on the subject, here is a more detailed explanation on how the fake landing was done ~48 years ago.
For all practical purposes, we are beating a dead horse; since July 20, 1969, we Earth humans have
been to the moon.
Kenneth
https://youtu.be/q7pzg9xpAOE |
Learnmore12
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Post Number: 82
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 - 02:25 pm: |
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Welcome Kenneth. I was actually surprised at how closely this movie resembled to what Billy and the P's were saying about this mission.
Jessy |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 570
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 - 10:42 pm: |
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Well. . . Yes, the main points of the Apollo-11 hoax were there. Conversely, regarding the movie (not really a documentary) Operation Avalanche (AV); keep in mind that as my friend RB who was involved in the Federal investigation of NASA/Apollo from a massive budgetary point of view, (different department) said; “NASA is full of misinformation regarding the Apollo project.” He does not believe that this movie accurately portrays what actually happened. Also, every time someone identifies an anonymity, it’s corrected. RB is extremely detailed and accurate; so his point of view is understood.
Furthermore keep in mind, in this movie AV, certain situations, locations and circumstances had to be altered in order for the MSM (Main Stream Media), NASA and the government to not kill film and preventing it from being aired on nationally controlled TV and other sources. For instance, the hanger where this fakery took place in the movie was not in Texas, it was evidently in the old Grumman aerospace hanger in Bethpage, New York. Nonetheless, several people died mysteriously that were connected with this projects deception.
Who knows, maybe this movie Operation Avalanche is a conspiracy theory produced by NASA for the purpose of conspiracy theories to continue clouding the real issue? All of these types of films are evaluated and examined by the government at some level.
There was also a federal investigation that RB was involved in regarding the 1977/78 move “Capricorn One”. NASA/Gov. was apparently nervous about the plot implications. The director/writer Peter Hyams was questioned extensively about the plot and where the information came from for the script, etc., etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricorn_One
Kenneth |
Joe
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Post Number: 476
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 11:32 am: |
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Here are some links to download and watch the movie "Operation Avalanche".
http://uploaded.net/file/c00lmidu
http://filecloud.io/y15rcog6j
https://userscloud.com/ko9hfecnt3i2
https://1fichier.com/?j55ooa5md6
Kenneth,
Maybe the movie itself isn't entirely accurate in depicting the events that led to the fake Apollo 11 moon landing, but one thing is for sure, this movie pretty much confirms what Billy himself has been saying for a while, that back in 1969 the Apollo 11 moon landing actually didn't take place on the moon. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 573
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 06:07 pm: |
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Joe,
I totally agree with you; what the movie did show:
1. NASA knew that they could not go to the moon in the time allowed due to lack of technology.
2. There were in fact stage props that could be used for the fake landing.
3. Many of those that knew the truth about the fakery, died.
4. As depicted in the movie, (if you looked closely) footage that the public viewed was filmed off from another TV screen to hide the defects.
5. Most of what was used to fake the moon landing was destroyed.
The bottom line; what purpose would it serve to expose the fakery today? Doubt that the truth will ever come out; too many lies for too long. If revealed as to what actually happened; the public would never trust NASA again, and we have a long ways to go.
Kenneth |
Stardustwilly
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Post Number: 93
Registered: 01-2015
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 05:01 pm: |
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Ok, thinking, so they faked the first landing, but the others were real, if I understand correctly, if and when all the people who were assoiated with the fraud, or all the people working at Nasa are just about gone or will be, I don't see where it matters that much. I can see if they never made it to the moon period, but they did make, so why all the worry about it? |
