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    Msmichelle Member Post Number: 230 Registered: 02-2010 |
Great stuff Corey MsMichelle | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 521 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you, Corey. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 10-2016 |
Thank you MsMichelle. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 471 Registered: 11-2008 |
Corey, I find your quoting of the Arahat Athersata book regarding overpopulation interesting because I didn't know that the population figure in that book is actually 500 million, not 529 million as it has been mentioned I think in the contact reports. Yes I know that 500 million could just be an estimate and that 529 million that has been mentioned by the Plejaren is a more exact figure. But nevertheless, another reason why I find the figure of 500 million interesting is because as perhaps you yourself already know the Georgia Guidestones that were erected in 1980 in Elbert County, Georgia, in the United States also has the human population set at a limit of 500 million. This leads me to think that maybe the Georgia Guidestones was erected to copy, at least partially the Meier material about overpopulation. I really do not think that it is really just a coincidence. In my opinion, something doesn't seem right about the Georgia Guidestones because according to the Wikipedia link about the Georgia Guidestones it says the following: "In June 1979, a man using the self-confessed pseudonym Robert C. Christian approached the Elberton Granite Finishing company on behalf of "a small group of loyal Americans", and commissioned the structure. Christian explained that the stones would function as a compass, calendar and clock, and should be capable of withstanding catastrophic events. Joe Fendley of Elberton Granite assumed that Christian was "a nut" and attempted to discourage him by giving a quote several times higher than any project the company had taken, explaining that the Guidestones would require additional tools and consultants. Christian accepted the quote. When arranging payment, Christian explained that he represented a group which had been planning the Guidestones for 20 years, and which intended to remain anonymous." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones Why would this man who goes by the pseudonym "Robert C. Christian" wanted to remain anonymous? Perhaps this "Robert C. Christian" was part of the US Intelligence Community and wanted to spread fear and confusion amongst the people who came across this granite monument. So therefore once Billy or some other FIGU core group member start to talk about the dangers of overpopulation, those people who are new to the Meier material and are maybe also aware of the Georgia Guidestones might become a little discouraged and disappointed because of the controversy surrounding the Georgia Guidestones themselves. Remember that the book "Arahat Athersata" was I think first published back in 1975 and the Georgia Guidstones was erected in 1980. That's why I am a little bit suspicious about the 500 million figure that is inscribed on this granite monument. Obviously I could be wrong with what I just said about the Georgia Guidestones, but you never know. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 10-2016 |
Hello Joe: I think you are correct that the 500 million figure by AA is just an estimate, the more exact figure based on adequate arable land statistics which is figured for exact size of the Earth, breaks down to 12 people living per square kilometer, or 529 million for the whole Earth is the exact recommendation. I never heard of the Georgia Guidestones, it is indeed a mystery?!? Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 10-2016 |
Bill (Tat_tvam_asi): Thank you for the kind words. May our leaders begin listening to the warnings.. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 10-2016 |
In the future, this graphic may come true as those affected by the effects and death of overpopulation may want to disembark the Earth, with no way to do so. This will be as the Earth learns from it's master: cause and effect. The coming death, destruction, and calamitous misery will be stepping stones to learn from if we can get global consensus to humanely lower birth-rates to be lower then death-rates, through a planetary birth-stop, and the 7 year birth-rate checks. This death will not be in vain, if the responsible ones would break their silence and follow the recommendations through new civil codes preemptively (before the temporary collapse of society, the death tolls, catastrophes, and loss of food and water sources [food and water are precious to life]).  1) "Goblet of the Truth" verses regarding overpopulation: 2:100, 2:181, 2:367, 4:05, 9:118, 28:404 (this one states we may affect the Earth so much, it may never recover). 2) "Goblet of the Truth" sources of instruction of the law of cause and effect: 4:112/113, 4:147, 4:174, 6:18, 6:180, 7:10, 7:35 (law of condition [cause] and decision [effect = cause and effect]), 7:131 (condition [cause] decision [effect]), 7:183 (condition [cause] decision [effect]), 7:192 (condition [cause]), 10:138, 19:22 (law of cause and of decision [effect = cause and effect = law of casuality]), 25:112, 28:64 (power of interaction), 28:83-28:87 (law of interaction resp. cause and effect), 28:110 (change effects to positive). "The Goblet of the Truth" can be seen as a planetary guide for how to set up your society (planet) to the natural order of the cosmic creational law, so the planet's citizens can vibrate correctly in tune with the natural swinging waves of the Creation universal consciousness, and if the books laws are thus followed: the Earth will always be cared for, there will be plenty of provisions for it's inhabitants, and the citizen's will be able to enjoy from the fruits of the primal well-spring of all life (the Creation). (fruits = positive effects from the law of cause and effect). ----- (final thought: my notes may be incomplete, always be on the lookout for more "Goblet" verses that can be added to these lists.) Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 659 Registered: 12-2011 |
Corey I do not know how or when but creation will fix the overpopulation problem , meaning natural and man made wars. It is embedded in our gene to be hostile and that is what causes world wars. You have to look at America, Russia, China and Israel now how they are escalating their weapons. joe | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 867 Registered: 08-2004 |
Unless stopped, and it still hasn't been stopped, Apophis will do it's part in decimating the populace. This due to its dramatic geological, climatic and environmental effects. Not to mention the ejecta that it will send into the upper atmosphere only to fall back to earth as a burning firestorm. Of course, humans may well prove stupid enough to destroy themselves through wars too. Chris Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 10-2016 |
Votan (Joe), What you say is true as war is a direct result of the aggression genetics, and war can also be counted as a direct result of overpopulation. If there is a new world war my calculation is over 6 billion people will perish. Even if for the chance the world war does not occur, in the words of the Arahat Athersata pure-spirit-level "millions will have to die an abnormal death" as a direct result of overpopulation. Done by nature to equalize the problem (as ILB calls cause/effect depopulation). overpopulation = death aging/aggression genetics = death ---- To circumvent those two problems = need to follow Creation's law as taught by the prophets of old = gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit, the places of fulfillment of guidelines, and the birth-stop with 7 year birth-rate checks. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 10-2016 |
  "The secret of change is to focus all of your energy, not on fighting the old, but on building the new" - Socrates (predecessor personality of Billy Meier) The following is an overview of the teaching regarding cause and effect, and how this results (manifests) into a casual foreordination. I found this in "Teaching Script" and it is brought to the Earth anew as a direct result of the great millions of years long Nokodemion-Henok mission. Whether our descendants slowly realize this or not, as a direct result of overpopulation the law of cause and effect will be part of our world's learning experiences, and living the results will be the provided casual foreordination, and this law will explain what is occuring, and why, and for what reasons. ----- The upcoming plant, animal, and human death and planetary catastrophes that are a direct result of overpopulation will be problems, and enduring the results will be a casual foreordination = as foreordinations are heavily "intertwined" with the law of cause and effect, and are provided by the law of cause and effect. The law of causality = law that stems from cause and effect. = (*1) casual = causation of the foreordination-based result of interconnectedness between causes and effects. This interconnectedness together, and as one, with the effect originating and is through the togetherness of the foreordination lastly provides the sequencing and resulting casual foreordination. = (this sentence = *1) to summarize: the effect that originates from source cause thus becomes = sequencing and resulting casual foreordination (effect turns into = casual foreordination). ----- How to apply this information to real life, I hope I understand this right: Climate change stemming from carbon dioxide emissions is a casual foreordination (from = source effect that is the climate altering [overall warming patterns] stemming from = source cause of burning fossil fuels and overpopulation). In the future, if millions die as a direct result of overpopulation (overpopulation = death/"Arahat Athersata" 22:12), or if billions die (from world war/contact 251) = this tragedy will be casual forerdinations originating from the source effects that are the loss of human-life that originate from the source cause. If the atmosphere collapses this will be a casual foreordination resulting from the source effect of lack of oxygen origination from = the source cause of the planet's overpopulation. If the ocean's global conveyor-belt breaks down = this is a casual foreordination from the source effect of the ocean's current stopping that will come from = source cause of = overpopulation. The effects of the ocean's current stopping are that it could wipe out all life on Earth, the same result with the atmosphere collapse, and if these come true, the situation will become a provided casual foreordination provided by the law of cause and effect. ---- Casual foreordinations materialize from the produced effects of what our people will have to endure, and "live out" because we have not seen the writing on the wall, and we have not altered course = this will be the people of Earth learning from their true master of cause and effect. Cause and effect stems from 6th and 7th sub-level of the Arahat Athersata pure-spirit-level. Contact 371 Ptaah states the way terrestrial humanity incites overpopulation and treats the Earth is like "trying to put out a fire with gasoline", or in other words: on course for disaster. It's a trained JWHW's occupation to be well versed in the cosmic natural laws, and he knows full well what's in store for our people. ----- The civilization of Earth not altering course in time and choosing humane depopulation techniques stems from cause = see: Jmmanuel's 2000 year old words = "The human beings are still small and unknowing in their spirits (consciousness) and knowledge; therefore, many of them must first take upon themselves much guilt and error before they thereby grasp (learn) and accumulate knowledge and wisdom, so as to recognise the truth" "Die Menschen sind in ihrem Geiste (Bewusstsein) und Wissen noch klein und unwissend, also mancher erst viel Schuld und Fehler auf sich nehmet, ehe er dadurch auffasset (lernt) und Wissen und Weisheit sammelet, so er dann die Wahrheit erkennet." = (*2) ---- The time it will take humanity to gather the knowledge and wisdom to recognise the truth that we need to have consensus for humane depopulation = no action equals future death = death equals future learning experiences for civilization as = we have to experience the effects as "lived out" negative casual foreordinations = so civilization can grow wiser (slow or fast?) & changing course results in an interaction from the law of cause/effect (is the law and power of interaction slow or fast?). ----- Because our people disregard natural laws, and produce above the normal number of 529 million people that's based on the arable land statistics of 12 people per square kilometer, we will experience change to bring us back to a reasonable number sooner or later, violent change from the Earth itself, which will be effects blowing back from the cause = and living with the results is what the casual foreordination will be. This is a natural law of Creation our planet (and it's people) will be bound to. ----- ----- A) "Goblet of the Truth" verses regarding overpopulation: 2:100, 2:181, 2:367, 4:05, 9:118, 28:404 (this one states we may affect the Earth so much, it may never recover). B) "Goblet of the Truth" sources of instruction of the law of cause and effect: 4:112/113, 4:147, 4:174, 6:18, 6:180, 7:10, 7:35 (law of condition [cause] and decision [effect = cause and effect]), 7:131 (condition [cause] decision [effect]), 7:183 (condition [cause] decision [effect]), 7:192 (condition [cause]), 10:138, 19:22 (law of cause and of decision [effect = cause and effect = law of causality]), 25:112, 28:64 (power of interaction), 28:83-28:87 (law of interaction resp. cause and effect), 28:110 (change effects to positive). ----- 1 = source = German only "Teaching Script"/page 156/summarized by Corey Müske/copyright FIGU-BEAM. 2 = "Talmund of Jmmanuel"/14:25/translated by Benjamin Stevens/copyright FIGU-BEAM    The same premise goes for the Apophis meteor if we do not stop it, it will strike the Earth as an effect of our inaction, and living with the unthinkable effects of the impact will be the casual foreordination! Apophis Red Meteor = future human death. ----- ----- "The Goblet of the Truth" can be seen as a planetary guide for how to set up your society (planet) to the natural order of the cosmic creational law, so the planet's citizens can vibrate correctly in tune with the natural swinging waves of the Creation universal consciousness, and if the book's laws are thus followed: the Earth will always be cared for, there will be plenty of provisions for it's inhabitants, and the citizen's will be able to enjoy from the fruits of the primal well-spring of all life (the Creation). (fruits = positive effects from the law of cause and effect = living this would be a positive foreordination). This would also be using the law of interaction by changing the planet's causes to positive to gain positive effects (change results in an interaction from the law of cause/effect towards the positive). Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 10-2016 |
 Billy stated that the prophets of old time-travelled to about the year 1844 when fulfilling their missions. Also like Billy, Jmmanuel may have been a master at understanding the fulfillments of the law of cause and effect, and probability calculations, and could have been the bearer of manifold logic. ----- 2000 year old calculation of the future: "This Earth can support and nourish five hundred and twenty-nine times a thousand (529 million) human beings of all species, but if the human species do not follow the laws, in two times a thousand years, there will be ten times and more human beings, and the Earth will not support and nourish them unto all of it's ends; therefore, hunger will then reign (the Earth will no longer be able to nourish the human beings everywhere; consequently, great famines will appear)." -Jmmanuel "Fünfhundert und neunundzwanzig mal Tausend mal Tausend (529 Millionen) Menschen aller Menschengeschlechter möget diese Erde tragen und nähren, allso aber die Menschengeschlechter die Gesetze nicht befolgt, werdet in zweimal tausend Jahren zehnmal und mehr Menschen sein, und es traget und nähret die Erde sie dann nicht an allen Enden, allso dann Hunger regieret (die Erde vermag dann nicht mehr überall die Menschen ernähren, folglich grosse Hungersnöte in Erscheinung treten)." -Jmmanuel End of 2000 year old calculation of the future by Jmmanuel. ----- Starvations, and famines are already occurring in third world countries (even in first world countries, not all of the poor are well fed, and have adequate medical treatment.), and in the future, many first world countries could become "failing states", and collapse. Then they would have lost their powerful statuses and be similar in structure to the third world countries in nature (sharp decline), and lawlessness, and starvation could prevail.   Will these futuristic graphics become symbols of reality in the future, will this be how the future unfolds (negative effects from negative causes = law of cause and effect)? One graphic is from the a depiction of future Earthquake (like Billy photographed), and the other graphic is depiction of probable collapse of the West (US and EU) predicted for 2020's from rational mathematician. ----- quoted material is from TJ 12:24 translated by Benjamin Stevens/copyright FIGU-BEAM. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2016 |
Paul Ehrlich, prophet of ‘overpopulation’ doom, invited to speak at Vatican conference http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=30467 | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2016 |
I don't know why I seemed to miss the banking angle with overpopulation. Two REAL reasons the West accepts so many migrants https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCyVmppcs_k | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2016 |
The Myth of Overpopulation http://catholicism.org/the-myth-of-overpopulation.html | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 418 Registered: 07-2006 |
Latest count from FIGU regarding human beings on Earth: 8,739,001,024 on 31-Dec-2016 (Midnight) Salome PatM | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 10-2016 |
There is only so much teaching one can give regarding cause and effect, we will be vastly unprepared for the next 200 years, and the overall current mentality is nothing will be able to prepare us for what lies ahead the next 200 years, save the experience itself.  Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 10-2016 |
In contact report 669 (FIGU Zeitzeichen 63) Billy went on record with a time reckoning: “…But when one considers that in the following 200 years – in accordance with what the prophets proclaim – not only because of wars and terrorism but as well because of environmental and climate based destruction and, as a result of this, through food and water shortages, the terrestrial human overpopulation will create 250 to 350 million refugees, the Earth, its human overpopulation as well as nature, fauna and flora, will experience very severe [evil] times …” *) *) German “...Wenn aber beachtet wird, dass in den folgenden zwei Jahrhunderten – wie die Prophetien ausführen – nicht nur durch Kriege und Terrorismus, sondern auch infolge der Klima- und Umweltzerstörung und durch die daraus hervorgehende Nahrungs- und Wasserknappheit die irdisch-menschliche Überbevölkerung zwischen 250–350 Millionen Menschen als Flüchtlinge hervorbringen wird, dann gehen die Erde, deren menschliche Überbevölkerung, wie auch die Natur und deren Fauna und Flora sehr üblen Zeiten entgegen.” -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary of rough translation done by Bill (Tat_tvam_asi) of contact 669. May contain errors, but will relay main points of German message. Copyright FIGU-BEAM. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 421 Registered: 07-2006 |
Here is my translation of the excerpt from Contact 669 (FIGU Zeitzeichen 63) (which may contain errors): https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=VN0dkdlJdfc%3d&tabid=1405&portalid=0&mid=5602 Salome, PatM | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 10-2016 |
Thanks PatM, your translation was a great read. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2016 |
Refugees know how to work the world refugee system. "Refugees" entering Canada from U.S. just beginning https://youtu.be/rNUv95YWHJg | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 10-2016 |
I was watching a program on television, and on came a bit about an American sports football player, who seemed like a nice enough person, I wondered to myself what he would think about the truth of the situation that he is, without his knowledge, part of the forces of untruth that ignore what is really happening to the world around us = our overpopulation problem. I don't think the people who are responsible for all this brainwashing really understand how bad it is going to get in the future, (and last for 200 years) because of suppressed information about overpopulation, and the suppression of the Meier case. Our planet is headed for difficult times. We are told all these lies to believe by these same forces of untruth, about religion, and all this untruth to absorb into our consciousness, until we start to find, and read the Meier material, and de-program from being an unknowing one, and one without much equitableness, and we begin to attach our consciousness, thoughts, and feelings with the cosmic-natural, that is to say, a living embodiment of the forces of primal wellspring of all life (the Creation), instead of like we have always done, placed a tin-god at the side of the Creation, to worship beseechingly. When the future gets really bad, it is my wish that our planet's people remember these words, because if we can be strong during those upcoming times, we can overcome severe difficulty: "And there will not be an imaginatively fabulated god, who will have an ear for your humankind." -Billy Meier May 21st, 2009 SSSC Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 477 Registered: 11-2008 |
Stupid Angela Merkel wants to bring in another 12 million migrants into Germany because "300,000 people a YEAR for the next 40 years are needed to stop population decline." http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/765919/Angela-Merkel-Germany-European-Migrant-Crisis-12-million What a load of stupidity! Why does it always have to be about the "economy" and never about the environment? Why do stupid politicians like Angela Merkel completely ignore the dangers of overpopulation? Even in China they not too long ago had removed their one-child policy! I wonder if the future Earth humans who are supposedly visiting our present time also have overpopulation in their present time. If I were to guess, I'd say probably not. |
