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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1756
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2017 - 04:42 am: | 
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Afonso this thread may have the potential to be hijacked by hudes and you and I would be complicit by abeiting in its proliferation in a thread that is not about hudes.
It sounds like you have more emotional investment on hudes than I ever will.
I have simply shared my opinion of her based on my assessment of her from prior research but nowadays my priorities lie elsewhere so I don't expose myself to her materials.
Now why do I feel as if I am being drawn into a discussion about hudes for you to prove how right you are about her by you trying to expose my potential ignorance about her with your questions but at the same time you trying to prove how knowledgeable you are about her and what she had exposed
I don't think your motives are that altruistic trying to defend a lady unjustly criticised or the truth but instead you are more interested in defending your point of view by defending her.
If you aren't one of those type of people where you need to prove something on a public forum at how knowledgeable you are about something or someone because there is an audience here then we can always agree to take this private.
I'll endeavour to answer many of your questions to the extent my knowledge of the matter allows and that I will reassure you that although I am not the only one, despite my busy schedule, I will try and accommodate to satisfaction any of your perceived misgivings you may have about my responses about hudes without evasion nor sophistry.
My email is newinitiation@yahoo.com
My name is Matt Lee |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 626
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2017 - 06:55 am: |
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New Initiation, thanks for the push.
Here is a rough first draft. Please respond with comments ASAP as I would like to get the letter out by Friday.
Dear President Donald J. Trump
On behalf of the FIGU (full name…), congratulations on winning the Presidential seat! Our organization was apprised of your true character and intent, as well as that of Hillary Clinton, and thus we have been strongly pulling for you with certitude of your Presidency. We are now presented with the possibility of a more peaceful, if contentious, path. Your captaincy is a boon not only for the United States, but for the rest of our world as well.
As President, you are privy to secrets and perspectives that most of us are not, however there may be a few little tidbits of which you have not been made aware. This letter is an example on what relevant topics the FIGU membership observe and discuss among ourselves. As you might have guessed, FIGU’s Mission is very concerned with maintaining global peace and prosperity, both now and far into the future.
1. A 2nd American civil war is brewing. Increasing riots by those unconsolably upset over ideology and race culminates in a bloody revolution in 4 years that results in the breakup of our Nation into 5 regions. The regions go on to fight amongst themselves, with the result that nearly half the remaining population dies directly from the conflicts, or indirectly from starvation and diseases. Your’s is likely America’s last Presidency. We are concerned that some people in Washington, in the media, in the corporate/finance circles that run our world, possibly even in your own cabinet, are working for this self-destructive outcome. Should it come about, the civil war exposes our secret shadow government once and for all. For all its atrocities and exposure, this civil war does not have to occur, however if America is to move forward in the long term, it cannot be run by corrupt people anymore.
2. Coincident to the onset of civil war is the probability of the crash in the value of the dollar. A bona fide social safety net and economic stimulus program might help to head this off. While such an initiative may not be the ‘small-government’ Republican ideal, the importance of these programs in averting or at least mitigating a civil war cannot be understated. Along the same line of thinking, a working public health care system which services everyone is in our Nation’s best interests.
3. The development of the Islamic State, backed by the same powers-that-be who would see America fall in to chaos, will take over the world and thrust our entire planet into a new dark ages for centuries to come, unless they are stopped now. ISIS must be completely destroyed as soon as possible. To be effective, our forces must be use significant numbers of ground troops - at least 400,000+, a number corresponding to 3 times the number of ISIS members. If you prefer to live in a modern Western civilization which progresses in the future, the importance of completely wiping out the Islamic State now, ASAP, cannot be overstated.
4. We face a number of environmental problems which should not be denied, two of which stand-out: Fukushima is spewing radiation around the globe unchecked, and global climate change is a real process. These are not insurmountable problems, but they do need continued support to be addressed. We already need to implement a massive carbon sequestration program in order to reverse an already beginning planetary carbon cascade. Please don’t deny the science which looks into our modern society’s environmental self-destruction, nor defund programs designed to preserve what we inherited.
5. The impending doom of 99942Apophis, whose orbital path is completely unaffected by the vociferous denials of NASA, we are told that this asteroid will slam into Northern Europe unless its orbit is altered by us. However, the coming of Apophis also represents an opportunity for converting this doom into a space resource: if the dangerous asteroid were guided from its current collision course into a high Earth orbit, this would entice companies to reach for its mining assets. Whatever we do, it should be done as soon as possible to avert a catastrophe of global magnitude.
6. Many of our challenges are exacerbated by Earth's burgeoning overpopulation and immigration problem. Earth has certain definite limits, non-theoretical, one of which it's human carrying capacity. That number is approximately 1 billion people at the very utmost. Enforcing borders will become even more difficult in the future as Earth's population continues to grow. Europe especially will be overtaken by imported people especially of the Islamic persuasion. Population reduction programs would help stem the tide.
Between the coming civil war and the need to wipe out ISIS ASAP, we are under the gun to ensure the safety of our world for future generations. There are a large number of other topics which we have not broached in this letter. If your office wants to contact us, we can provide further information and suggestions geared to avoiding foreseeable pitfalls and maintaining a peaceful Nation. We can help to develop a fair and balanced perspective on what is occurring which cannot be duplicated by biased intelligence offices, and some of us would be jump at the opportunity to work with you in developing and implementing programs designed to make our Nation shine.
Thank you for time and attention, Mr. President.
Sincerely yours in altruism,
the FIGU community
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Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 129
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2017 - 01:26 pm: |
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Votan
You said: Do you bring any good news to this forum?
The Billy Meier mission concerns the future of mankind, which according to prophecies and predictions is bleak to say the least.
Very difficult to see anything optimistic or positive about that. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1757
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2017 - 06:18 pm: |
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My previous post to afonso didn't get through for some reason
Anyway before we turn this into 'see I've proved you wrong and I was right about her' slug fest let's do the right thing and take this to a private conversation where we can spare fellow forum members the Karen Hudes hijacked thread.
Since I don't know your email address Afonso I'll give you mine.
Newinitiation@yahoo.com |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1265
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| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2017 - 07:47 pm: |
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I don't see that the message to Trump can be sent "on behalf of the FIGU community". FIGU itself is a non-political entity and neither this forum, nor its members, can speak for all of FIGU.
I think one can refer to the information they are referencing without claiming the letter is coming from FIGU. |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 627
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 - 04:14 am: |
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Michael, I too agree. On further reflection, such a letter to the President, esp. in these polarized times, can be construed as taking political sides, when one of the FIGU's core mandates is to remain politically neutral. Too, I think the tone and some of the statements of the letter don't accurately reflect the stance of some of the membership. I think it would be nice to enlighten or warn President Trump about a little bit of what the future holds to further purpose of promoting peace, but endorsing him is taking sides. He may be a better man than what the Leftist media leads our Nation to believe, and Hillary may have been likewise worse, but we shouldn't be using the FIGU to take sides.
With that in mind, I think I'll retool the letter, and send it from only myself, and with only politically neutral language. I may like Trump, quite alot, but my first commitment is to the Mission.
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1758
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 - 04:50 am: |
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Hi Michael Helfert
Its a concise to the point letter that is well written.
A few points to consider.
Among the sea of letters Trump's office must be getting everyday for attention how can you bypass all of them to really get the message across.
Would it be a better strategy to address the letter to the gatekeeper herself Kellyanne Conway or even Steve Bannon.
Could using dramatic language for maximum emotional appeal with lots of pathos added in help in grabbing attention with such a letter that starts with 'I am going to assassinate you and your favourite child Ivanka' followed by 'this is what your enemies are concocting inside of their twisted and deranged heads as vengeance for your courage and the audacity to stand up to them Mr President'.
Or something to that effect.
Whether Trump was briefed on the Billy Meier case by his secret service personnel just as Bush was with the Prophecies landing on target as Ptaah said is still questionable although by now I would assume with so much content regarding UFOs on the internet and youtube maybe Trump has some interest on the matter.
But from lights in the sky to Billy Meier is a giant leap of faith for people who aren't ready for the truth and as we all know here the proverbial Pavlovian response even the mere mention of the name Billy Meier elicits does prevent as a cautionary tale those directly or indirectly associated with him to even mention his name let alone write a letter referencing anything to do with Billy's name lest it falls on deaf ear.
But I guess you have to keep things honest and as they are.
Just a suggestion |
Afonso11
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 02-2016
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 - 11:08 am: |
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Michael_horn, I agree. using this forum/FIGU to speak in representative form to a political entity is dangerous in the sense that we will not be perceived to be neutral. and since the audience is both multi-cultural as well as multi-national, there could possibly be unforseen problems with real or imagined "interference" from outside (the u.s.) or real or imagined "interference" from within the u.s. I believe this and other possible negative effects should be considered the plejaren and mr. meier were wise to make you the only authorized media rep in the us. what's that saying? discretion is the better part of valor? peace |
Norm
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 - 04:28 pm: |
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Its finally explains why these Republicans always vote for Open Borders & Less enforcement.
BACKSTAB: Republican Leaders Funded By Soros
https://youtu.be/dv31NoCwWUY
Report: Soros funded anti-Trump Republicans
Soros Fund doled out tens of thousands of dollars to Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Lindsey Graham, among others.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/224547
President Trump's "Muslim Ban" | What They Won't Tell You!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri-qzCqd5OM |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 559
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2017 - 03:06 am: |
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Some of the Articles in the new Figu Zeitzeichen 63 …
--It lists a report of a former Reagan minister (Paul Craig Roberts)
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/27/media-now-political-opposition/
--It mentions a report re. the discussion the British PM had with DT -
“in her American discussions Ms. T. May gave the impression that the most important matter for Europe would be to set Russia apart from Europe that the by many European wanted European-Russian co-operation should not materialize
--A Report by former Russian PM Gorbatchev headed
“Trump and Putin must “outlaw” a nuclear war”
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2215567-mikhail-gorbachev-world-is-preparing-for-war/
--An epochtimes report about Sweden –a country that recorded a 1472 % increase in rapes and a 300 % increase in violent criminality since it introduced multiculturalism
(I cannot get the epochtimes report in English – similar reports are found elsewhere on the web – e.g.
https://truebluenz.com/2015/02/18/multi-culturalism-in-sweden-rapes-increase-by-1472/
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
--An article in one of the main newspapers in German (“Welt”) on Albert Einstein’s assertion that “care less” belief in authority is the worst enemy of truth
--An article on tissue engineering/cell cultures – a science that may soon allow us to eat meat without killing animals
--The newspaper article we discussed on the English Forum re. the pig human hybrids ( pointing to the prophecies in CR 251 / 281 – 288)
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251
--An article re. the Syrian Foreign Minister inviting Syrian refugees to return to their home country
--Two articles re. the limitation of cash money transfer (India and EU)
--An article by the CEO of a major German media group criticizing the fight of the German government against fake news “In comparison to it George Oswell was harmless …”
-- Figu Zeitzeichen 63 publishes as well a segment of CR 669.
Note The following is (only) a brief summary (not a 1:1 translation)
Ptaah tells Billy there at midneight on 31/12/2016 exactly 8 739 001 024 people lived on our planet which is about 1 350 000000 more than the official calculation by German statistic bureau.
Billy thanks Ptaah mentioning that these figures will naturally be disputed and that the wrong figures will be publicised. But even worse, he says, are those who publicise the lie that everything on our planet is not getting worse but improve.
He mentions that some of the media even report that more Earthlings have better living conditions, increased literacy etc. but they are deceiving the public by hiding the evil and disgraceful realities of human life on Earth.
Ptaah replies that this cannot be changed because this is the way the media make their money.
Billy replies that the media has as well religious and political leanings and therefore the truth is not always kept.
He then asks Ptaah whether they would have figures on how many criminal acts were committed because of the “refugees welcome” culture in Europe.
Ptaah replies that in 2016 exactly 131 476 criminal people came to Europe – 102 108 of these went to Germany the remainder is distributed to other European countries – the no for Switzerland 916.
But these figures only contain the criminal elements – those who ar not really refugees, and those coming for financial support only are included in the P’s figures.
Billy then mentions the German leader in connection with the 1.6 million strong European “refugee culture” and that this may seem only a minor percentage of the (according to Ptaah) 70 million refugees world wide.
“…But when one considers that in the following 200 years – in accordance with what the prophets proclaim – not only because of wars and terrorism but as well because of environmental and climate based destruction and, as a result of this, through food and water shortages, the terrestrial human overpopulation will create 250 to 350 million refugees, the Earth, its human overpopulation as well as nature, fauna and flora, will experience very severe [evil] times …” *)
The CR ends with Billy’s warning that those that are highly praised for their humane acceptance of refugees may be the first ones who will blame police and security forces for negligence [omission of security services] when they themselves are attacked by criminals / violent criminals.
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German
“Wenn aber beachtet wird, dass in den folgenden zwei Jahrhunderten – wie die Prophetien ausführen – nicht nur durch Kriege und Terrorismus, sondern auch infolge der Klima- und Umweltzerstörung und durch die daraus hervorgehende Nahrungs- und Wasserknappheit die irdisch-menschliche Überbevölkerung zwischen 250–350 Millionen Menschen als Flüchtlinge hervorbringen wird, dann gehen die Erde, deren menschliche Überbevölkerung, wie auch die Natur und deren Fauna und Flora sehr üblen Zeiten entgegen.” |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 560
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2017 - 03:17 am: |
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Man in his pursuit of excellence should never forget the weaker members of the human chain …
The Harsh Realities Of Life In India
(Summary of a few letters of a German Dr. in India – published in Figu Zeitzeichen)
Dr. Norbert Häring witnessed the complications, turmoil and chaos of a currency reform in India where overnight on Nov 14, 2016 all 500 and 1000 rupee notes ( = 86 % of all the country’s currency) were abolished.
This reform was done to prevent the spread of fake money and to stop payments with illicit money and the payment of bribes.
(DR. N.H. went to the bank 5 times to deposit all his money)
His eyewitness account of the events unfolding -
- … First of all there were very complicated regulations to follow (which could be changed daily).
(The German Dr. was lucky to meet all the conditions and criteria and was able to bank each day 49,000 rupee (728 USD)).
- The country:
In uproar, chaos everywhere, rebellions seem to break out, (and actually may have taken place) – some people had sold their land to pay for a wedding or the treatment of a sickness and suddenly found that their money was deemed illegal, sadly some did not know how to master the situation, took their lives
- The people:
To bank their money they stood waiting or rather were being squashed for hours in endless queues (the rules demand 6 sep. queues to enter a bank), if you were, like the unfortunate Dr, accidentally in the wrong queue, the several hour long wait would start again).
It is incredibly hot, it “smells”, some elderly people break down, some die.
“Yesterday they wanted to distribute little metal tokens to better regulate the sequence of service – the result: the people jumped over each other like chicken (to receive their token) - shouting everywhere - ripped of bags- things falling on the ground (never to be retrieved) Dr. N.H.: “ … Man oh man!”
- The situation in the village bank:
The people arriving with open baskets overfull with packs of notes.
The completely stressed out, soaked with sweat, service personnel sitting in wire cages with only a little hole in the front (to stick a hand through).
Their quivering assistants building up some stair-like money mountains which continue to fall down.
The scene could best be described with a picture of Scrooge McDuck’s money depository –…
- The service personnel …
They have to endure swear words, insults and scuffles.
They arrive early in the morning to sort and count the mountains of money.
They have no time for lunch and hardly any time to drink some water during the extended opening hours.
Then at 8 p.m., when the last customer has reluctantly left, they again start to sort and count the money mountains and process the many tens of thousands of deposit and withdrawal slips that are stuck onto gigantic pikes: they need to be input in the computer a task impossible to perform during the tumultuous daytime.
When the German Dr. gives the bank clerk a little present, the bank clerk’s eyes fill with tears.
Never before had a customer given him anything – not even a word of recognition for their enormous work….He apologizes for his countrymen.
DR. N.H.: Never have I had such deeply emotional moments before.
A few weeks later … (the German Dr.’s report continues)
“Now things really take off.
There still is no way to get cash from the banks and everyone had to deposit it all
All one can receive is 24,000 rupees per week (US$356) in giant Rs 2000 notes which no-one can change (when buying goods).
With this the people are forced to open accounts and use cashless money transfer which – as a consequence of a lacking infrastructure (no internet connection?) is not possible in the countryside.
There is a dangerous frenzy (bubble) among the populace already and now a gold confiscation is added to it all: You know, the Indians love their gold…”
Source (German):
http://npr.news.eulu.info/2017/01/14/dr-norbert-haering-brief-aus-kerala-zur-bargeldabschaffung/
http://norberthaering.de/de/27-german/news/751-kerala#weiterlesen
NB
After the massive limitation of cash in circulation by the Indian government [it now decreed that] tax collectors should search private households for untaxed gold deposits. Any such gold found should be confiscated…
Full Report (in German):
https://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2016/12/09/indien-beschlagnahmt-gold-von-privaten-anlegern/
Moderators please note:
I am not quite sure where to place this article.
If you find a different topic more suitable please move it there.
Thank you. |
Afonso11
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Post Number: 20
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 - 01:52 pm: |
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michaelhelfert- i was glad to read that you reflected further on what you had proposed with the letter to trump. your revision and your ideas about taking responsibility without the "umbrella" of Figu to perhaps keep the rain off" does you credit. cheers
NEWINITIATION, oh i got your message(s), all right. and i get YOUR message, all right.
first and foremost is the fact that you still haven't responded to my (pretty specific) questions and i'm starting to really question why not? were they unreasonable? you are too busy? what?
they could possibly pertain to humanity itself, if one took the time to look, reflect upon, and discuss with one's brothers and sisters. and so i am. what are you doing?
'stou'ta ver' -as my Portuguese brothers and sisters would say.
you say to me that "this thread may have the potential to be hijacked by hudes by abeiting (sic) in it's proliferation in a thread that is about hudes." -what the hell does this mean?
my "emotional investment" is not in ms. hudes as a person, although the type of person she seems to be is intrinsic to the argument, but rather in her factually corroborated evidence and information directed to, and for the benefit of, HUMANITY. is this so difficult a concept to understand? or is it that you are uncomfortable with the relative material that i'm trying to discuss rationally, logically, and methodically? with everyone here, not just you. is your problem with me or the material?
the "than i ever will" part sounds correct.
your "opinion", with all due respect, is not what is required in these matters, in my opinion. "a right to one's opinion" is not what is needed to be discussed here, in my opinion. it's the question of "what was your 'prior research'" and whther it holds water. so far, with what scant non-opinion-based info you have provided, no one would be able to assess the validity of even your opinions. do you prefer it that way?
you say that you don't "expose yourself" to her materials". why? are they repugnant to you, false, what? if so, then why?
i was drawn into a discussion because you engaged me in one, so don't try spinning this and making it as if i'm ego-driven by wanting to respond to the questions you raised with YOUR purported understanding of the "materials" she has, and continues on a daily basis, to provide. it's not about ME or YOU; it's about US and WE. specifically WE THE PEOPLE. everywhere. because the problem(s) are everywhere.
so when you say "i don't think your motives are that altruistic trying to defend a lady unjustly criticized or(sic) the truth." (which in and of itself is a non-sensical, self-contradictory statement), you are only showing everyone here how you prefer to focus on the individual as supreme-representation/symbol of the information they put forth and,(like hudes or even trump for that matter) distract us from the information itself and its validity or non- validity as FACTS and not merely CONJECTURE or SPECULATION or OPINION.
the information hudes gets (she calls herself the "switchboard operator" and correctly so IMO)she simplily shares with US, not just ME info that comes from a multiplicity of sources (all with the appropriate links for anyone to personally read, check, verify, and USE).
she is authorized to speak for the world bank on the matters i'm trying (to no avail it seems) to talk to you about.
she is the OVERSEER MANDATE TRUSTEE for the Global Debt Facility, which, contrary to what some would say, does exist. all the countries governments know this.
problem is that Humanity's wealth is being impeded from being given back to humanity by the very same governments who know of the existence of these accounts and the immense wealth that they represent and have betrayed their oaths of office and their responsibility to their respective citizens/peoples/countries. she is representing humanity (in the legal international sense) as the lawyer responsible for interpreting the law(s) and reporting to the Board of Governors and the Board of Executive Directors. so she is responsible, in essence, to all of humanity, and speaks for and on behalf of US and not the elites and Network of Global Corporate Control-types, to her credit.
who do your "symbols" answer to, who do they benefit?
that which i'm defending is the truth of her words and actions, to date. what are you defending?
"take this private"? oh no you don't. you will respond in full transparency to all who read this forum, as will i. or don't, and let the silence be telling.
you have not "endeavoured" at all in answering my questions about the validity of the information (which is telling in and of itself) up until now so i don't feel much "reassurance" with you future responses.
and as to whether or not you'll "endeavor" to respond to me "without evasion or sophistry" (funny how i think i'm stressing 'Dialectics' while i think you are stressing 'Rhetoric'- from the perspective of a Sophist, which i'm not) well, that remains for US to see.
and before you try to justify your evasion by portraying our discussion (or lack thereof)as a "see I've proved you wrong and i was right about her" "slug fest" as you put it, you should think about "doing the right thing" as you say, and ANSWER THE QUESTIONS PUBLICLY since it concerns the public and not just me or you,so that all can see for themselves that in fact, i did not "hijack" the "Karen Hudes thread". were you the one who brought up hudes in the first place?
your attempts at making this into some sort of personal issue/ grievance between me and you is only revealing (further) to all what you're really on about.
and i don't really care what your "real name" is, as long as the "voice" that's attached to it speaks truth, which, in my opinion, you do not.
so if you don't feel like responding to my previous questions, then take your "rhetoric" elsewhere, because it makes no sense to me.
in fact it rather sounds aimed to further provoke, agitate, and divide, in my opinion. your "advice" to michelhelfert stands as a glaring example of how beneficent your rhetoric can be. sarcasm? you betcha
well, don't want to take up more of that valuable time of yours from more "important" issues. good luck trying to convince anyone you are not a shill and possibly provocateur. WE would not be pleased in knowing this to be a fact.
the u.s is in interregnum. the u.k. is also but for a different reason. is this correct or not? |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1759
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 05:08 am: |
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Ok Afonso I'll take the bait for your satisfaction just this time around seeing as you have really gone deep down Hudes's rabbit hole Matt lee from OZ might need to pull you outta there
Now here we go
what "two sides" are you referring to?
#I've meant taking into consideration the views of the doubters as well as the supporters of her claims.
what "things" of ms. hudes' have you been made aware of?
#Among many too specific to mention yet easily accessible to everyone including this by Hudes.
“There’s a second species on this planet. They’re not extraterrestrials. They’re very much with us. They made maps in the previous ice age. The remnants of their civilizations are all over the place – a lot of times along the coast. It’s submerged because the sea level has gone up by 400 meters. This group has large brains. They’re very distinct from homo sapiens. Their DNA is so different, that if the two species mated, their offspring would be infertile, and we know this because their DNA was just tested. They have skulls all over the place because they have been on earth with us. But after the ice age, there weren’t that many of them, so they’ve been hiding, and one of the places that’s they’ve been hiding is in the Vatican. That’s why the Vatican are wearing those miters. It turns out that that’s what the high priest wore in the early beginnings of Judaism. Moses was actually Akhenaten, who was a pharaoh. They know this because the papyra that was taken from one of the pyramids talks about this. The people who are doing archeology in Israel know this. And the reason is, not only is homo capensis (?) trying to keep human beings under control by divide and conquer using our money system, they’ve also been doing this with our religions – organized religions – trying to get human beings to hate people of different religious faiths so that they will kill each other off, so that the people who are manipulating human beings could … use us like cattle. That’s what’s been going on through our history.”
“These countries are not monolithic, there are forces fighting the corruption and there are forces that have totally been co-opted, and the way they act is treasonous to the people in those countries. The group that’s behind the network of control are the Jesuits, and there are also some groups behind them. One of these groups are hominids, they’re not human beings. They are very smart, they are not creative, they are mathematical. They had a much stronger force in the earlier ice-age. They have elongated skulls, they may produce offspring in mating with female humans, but that offspring is not fertile. We live in a world of secret societies, and secrets, and the information that ought to be public is not public.”
#Can you see why when red flags go up it means to stop
were you the one who brought up hudes in the first place?
#Your 15th post 'if you give the information any value and importance in your search for the truth then you can thank ms. hudes yourself'
#No not me it was you who brought up about Karen Hudes.
this one was actually the most in depth and informative out of the three but I believe there's a caveat with that site but i'm not sure so i'll double check when I have a moment.
#So have you double checked?
since you've studied her so long you must be aware of her working at the world bank for over twenty years?
#Yes but I also know that St Peter was at the Vatican and served as pope for 35 years but never came closer to God than when he started.
The point is appeal to authority was and is never a reliable method in determining whether something is true because X said so.
Just because Hudes said so does that mean that everything she said is true therefore don't bother questioning her?
and actually hired by the world bank to root out corruption?
#well I am playing devils advocate here but it could all be a fancy cover.
Just look at the timing of her coming out.
This is what has perplexed me to this day because in the back of my mind why did it take her 20 frigging years to suddenly come out from nowhere
#My point is even if many of the things she said is true does not make everything she stated as true therefore you have to err on the side of caution
and how she reported that corruption all the way up the ladder and was finally fired for her efforts? and how she bought a world bank bond, sued and was re-instated?
her statements and work with senators hagel, lugar, leahy, and bey?
#She is a lawyer who knows how the legal system works to get around such a problem.
#btw do you have any material evidence from Hudes that backs up her claim that there is 170,000 tonnes of gold bullion in Hawaii?
if so can you direct me to where a source so that I can confirm for myself.
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Corey
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Post Number: 77
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Bill, RE: your excellent thought-provoking post 560, especially the content of the opening line reminded me that there is a "Goblet" verse that instructs that it is the duty of the stronger one to help the weaker one. Stronger countries could be helping the weaker link (India), I think I took notes on this, if I did I will post the verse as time moves on.
Salome/Corey Müske
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Norm
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 04:27 pm: |
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Dangerous Neocons Push Donald Trump Against Russia, Putin Responda
https://youtu.be/MH6D7-ZL7qc |
Hugo
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Post Number: 333
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 05:10 pm: |
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Norm, looks like the CIA may have already threatened Trump if he has already done a back flip about seeking peace with Russia and is now condemning Russia.
I didn't expect US foreign war policy to change under Trump. |
Afonso11
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 02-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 12:16 pm: |
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moderator (scott?), twice upon composing my thoughts about tat_tvam_asi's info (thanks, by the way, very informative) I was impeded from sending what I had written. first time, text disappeared, and I was magically transported to the "mars" page/section. second attempt to respond to tat_tvam_asi's info caused an "error" page to come up when clicking on "post". message read: error
your username/password combination was invalid or you do not have permission to post to this topic. you may revise your username and password using the form at the bottom of this page.
there is no form available that I can see.
I still have the page in question up and will get a screenshot of it and the text that I wrote to be posted. will wait until you advise. thank you.
Hello Afonso11,
It sounds like your password or username has been corrupted, or you may have entered it incorrectly. I cannot account why your post disappeared or you were redirected to the Mars Section. If you continue to have a problem, please send me an email at scott.baxter@forum.figu.org and I will check your account.
Regards
Scott-Moderator
(Message edited by scott on February 09, 2017) |
Afonso11
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 02-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 09:17 pm: |
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thank you, scott. just thought i'd let you know. cheers |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 562
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 08:27 am: |
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Salome Corey,
Yes, this is is what I meant:
Our self development should be self- development cum creational love.
Not only is any chain only as strong as its weakest member - without creational love we would not be on a path to a "we" personality.
Salome,
Bill
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Life at each moment is not really individual but universal.
The key to live a universal life / to ”be in harmony with the creational rhythm” (“equalised consciousness”) is the “fine spiritual perception” of deference and veneration for all creation:
(From “Genesis” / page 98 - my translation may contain errors but should express the main points clearly)
151. If a person’s actions in the material area of the psyche are fully compliant with the equalised (balanced) and harmonic properties of the spirit-based Gemüt, then the psyche (formed by thoughts and feelings) and its body thrive and work and life take on a positive form.
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155. The equalisedness of the consciousness is the prerequisite for all creative thinking and acting.
156. This means, that only through the equalisedness of the consciousness truly creative thoughts, feelings and actions can be born and accomplished.
157. The equalisedness of the consciousness is also called <inner>, or the tranquillity of the consciousness, that is singly, entirely and fundamentally responsible that all idea formations come into being and pass away.
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159. To acquire the consciousness-equalisedness and to develop inner tranquility and develop the inner life it is necessary to point out, in all explicitness and above all else, the fine-spiritual-perception of deference (honour, venerability, veneration, reverence) because only when the deference (honour, venerability, veneration, reverence) for all and everything and everyone is present in man – only then can also the equalisedness of the consciousness be found
German Original:
151. Handelt der Mensch im materiellen Bereich der Psyche ganz gemäss den ausgeglichenen und harmonischen Eigenschaften des geistbedingten Gemüts, dann geht es der Psyche (geformt durch Gedanken und Gefühle) und seinem Körper gut und das Leben und Wirken formen sich positiv.
155. Die Ausgeglichenheit des Bewusstseins ist die Voraussetzung zu allem kreativen Denken und Handeln.
156. Das bedeutet, dass erst durch die Ausgeglichenheit des Bewusstseins wahrlich kreative Gedanken, Gefühle und Handlungen geboren und vollbracht werden können.
157. Die Ausgeglichenheit des Bewusstseins wird auch <innere> genannt, oder die Ruhe des Bewusstseins, das ganz allein grundlegend dafür zuständig ist, alle Ideengebilde werden oder vergehen lassen.
159. Zur Erlangung der Ausgeglichenheit des Bewusstseins zur Entwicklung der inneren Ruhe und des inneren Lebens is es notwendig, mit aller Deutlichkeit und vor allen Dingen auf die Ehrfurchtsempfindung (Ehrungsempfindung, Ehrungserbietung, Ehrungswürdigkeit, Ehrungswürdigung) hinzuweisen, denn erst wenn die Ehrfurcht (Ehrung, Ehrwürdigung, Ehrerbietung, Ehrwürdigkeit) vor allem und jedem im Menschen vorhanden ist, kann auch die Ausgeglichenheit des Bewusstseins gefunden werden. |
Norm
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 01:58 pm: |
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Haven't they learnt a thing? Merkel’s government 'hoping to bring in 12 MILLION migrants
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/765919/Angela-Merkel-Germany-European-Migrant-Crisis-12-million |
Afonso11
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 02-2016
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 09:13 am: |
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for the forum's consideration:
regarding the secret u.s. constitution and emergency powers statutes from senate report 93-549 (see barefootsworld.net/war_ep1.html)
regarding evidence of the core group of the banking cartel and the study out of eth Zurich that confirms this (see theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/who-runs-the-world-solid-proof-that-a-core-group-of-wealthy-elitists-is-pulling-the-strings)
regarding the ongoing orchestration to limit, if not ban entirely, the use of cash (see zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-10/cash-no-longer-king-Europe-acclelerates-move-begin-eliminiation-paper-money)
peace |
Corey
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Post Number: 83
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| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 06:11 pm: |
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Bill, I'm glad you clarified what you meant, because this clarification brought forth those verses you translated which were great, keep up the good work my friend, the verses from Petale gave me much to think about. I wonder, if this means the great thinkers of Earth were equalised in their consciousness (RE: verses 155/156) which is a requirement for the creativity to be born? Some of Earth's great thinkers over-rode their religion (religion = detriment that can hold back, and subjugate the consciousness of the human-being), and brought forth breakthroughs against all odds, and sometimes peril to their own life and reputations. These breakthroughs were for the sake of the Earth, and it's people.
Salome/Corey Müske
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Norm
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Post Number: 55
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2017 - 04:39 pm: |
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The Deep State War In Trump's Administration Over Michael Flynn Explained
https://youtu.be/yPWuPT6rKgI |
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