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Tat_tvam_asi
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2017 - 12:16 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

“Celtic-ism”

We do not know much about the enigmatic Celts *) but many people seem to idolize them:
E.g. when one checks Google for “Celtic Festivals” some 247,000 entries pop up.
And it is not just today that people are having illusions.
In 1868 e.g. they held a Celtic like festival in Cevennes / France in which they threw animals and valuables into a lake.
Even young children today learn their French and Latin via Asterix magazines, idolizing the fearless and strong Celts, the magic potions of their Druid priests etc …

The Plejaren took some polish of these unrealistic idolizations **)
But it was not only Stonehenge or King Arthur.
Celtic traditions contained an eeriness and brutality that was frightening:

According to ancient Celtic belief there were four elements – each ruled by a god.
To appease the gods via sacrifices the sacrificial victim could be
- hanged / throttled (air) or
- put in a timber basket and burnt (fire) or
- thrown in a pit and buried alive (earth) or
- drowned in water or bogs (water).

Sacrifices were increased in hard times.
Pits filled with bones of human sacrifices unveil great cruelty not enlightened wisdom… ***)

They cut off the heads of enemies,kept them as trophies…
… fastening them onto their chariots and
- decorating their houses (inside and outside) with them
To predict the future they would check the guts of dead humans …
An eerie atmosphere to live in.

If we can trust the writings of Julius Cesar and Strabo:
Celts build giant man-like timber structures, into which they put live, shackled animals and humans -
- which they then burned to their death…****)


So as Florena said,
“…Today’s male and female pilgrims would be shocked if they were put back in those times…”

Salome,

Bill

*)
The Celts themselves did not leave any written records.
They were not allowed to write down the teachings/rituals of the Druids.
Everything had to be arduously memorized (the “education” took ca. 20 years)

**)
Ptaah (Arthur, War King of Celts / wild boar of Cornwall) and Florena (Horrors of Stonehenge)
Re. King Arthur see http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Truth_About_Merlin,_King_Arthur_And_The_Excalibur

***) E.g. pit # 3666: https://balkancelts.wordpress.com/tag/human-sacrifice-celts/
“…They underwent horrible deaths…” :
http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/did-the-ancient-celts-practice-human-sacrifice
http://archive.archaeology.org/0201/etc/celtic.html

****)
The eerie movie “Wicker Man” seems to be showing this Celtic custom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wicker_Man_%281973_film%29
One really feels unwell after watching (some of) this horror movie.
If similar customs were practiced then – the Celtic era was certainly very frightening..
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Kenneth
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Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2017 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Regarding reincarnation and Ancient History; when Billy made this statement;

“It is not we who come back into a new incarnation, but it's an entirely new personality who has nothing in common with the former "user" of the spirit form. As a rule, people are reincarnated into the same culture, race or nation etc. where they died. This means, that e.g. an Afro-American person in the USA will incarnate as an Afro-American person again, in the USA and not in Africa. And if a German speaking Swiss person dies, he will incarnate again somewhere in Switzerland, Austria, Germany or Liechtenstein, etc. In other words: A spirit form will not incarnate in France, then in Tibet, in Nigeria, and in Greenland, etc. etc. Incarnations occur within the group of people and cultures where one lived (and thought!) in one's former life.”

Ref:
Questions to Billy Meier – Answered; Wednesday, May 21, 2003 – 08:37 P.M.
http://www25.brinkster.com/chancede/Answers.html

With that in mind, working in the aerospace industry for most of my career; it was known that if it was not for a team of African-American female mathematicians, the Mercury-Atlas project would not have been successful in the time allotted against the then USSR; as they were further ahead in the space program.

This team of exceptionally advanced mathematicians were intellectually evolved far beyond any of NASA’s scientists and mathematicians in the early 1960’s, which also set the stage for projects Gemini and Apollo.

Could it possibly be that these geometricians were actually reincarnated spirit-forms of the black/brown ancient descendant’s (extraterrestrials) that died on Earth in the distant past? For instance; ancient locations such as Monument Valley, Arizona, Valley of Fire, Nevada or present day Florida in North America before the upset when the Earth shifted its axis?

It would be safe to assume that these African-American theoreticians that possessed these phenomenal abilities were not purely of an Earth race/species?

Kenneth
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Kenneth
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Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2017 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Celtiberians, we don’t hear much about them?

The Celtiberians are a people of the Iberian Peninsula which was located just West of where Atlantis was situated in the North Atlantic. The Iberian Peninsula is located in the Southwest corner of Europe which is divided between Portugal and Spain for the majority of the territory. Archeologists suggest that they arrived during the 6th to 5th centuries BC or earlier. Would not be surprised if the Celtiberians had Atlantean ancestors?

They were apparently more advanced than the Romans in many ways; including weapons and defense strategies. However, the short story is the Romans Empire saw them as a threat and eventually destroyed the entire culture. Many of the superior fighting weapons that the Romans had were originally developed by the Celtiberians, aka Celts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtiberians

It’s interesting to note that the Celtiberians writing appears to be similar to the Plejaren and maybe the Lyran? See attachments. The writing with A-Z alphabet, I understand is Plejaren.

The Celtiberians people contributed most to what eventually became the Irish society; also called today, the Celts. The Celtiberians arrived in Ireland somewhere between 1000 and 200 B.C. according to today’s calendar.

Kenneth

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Kenneth
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Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2017 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Correction:

Iberian Peninsula which was located just EAST (not West) of where Atlantis was situated in the North Atlantic.

Kenneth
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Votan
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Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2017 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kenneth

Atlantis was supposed to be near North America.
joe
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 05:45 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Kenneth,

Edgar Cayce mentions that many of the Atlantean leaders after realizing that Atlantis was doomed, left their home country and went to various countries.
Many went to Egypt, but often after first visiting Spain. **)

From EC’s readings -

(When the followers of the Law of One felt that Atlantis may be soon be destroyed)
“… there were the emigrations with many of the leaders to various lands…” (EC / R. 1007-3)

(When it became clear that Atlantis would be destroyed, those leaders who were to be saved, were given the order to journey to various locations) “…this entity was among those that went first to … the Pyrenees and later .. to Egypt..” (EC / Reading 633-2)

Another reading referring to these tumultuous periods in Atlantis tells us that one of the leaders went from Atlantis to Calais then to Egypt and the Pyrenees.
“…set sail to Egypt but ended up in the Pyrenees ..”
But before that he first travelled to Calais, where in the chalk cliffs “one may even today see the marks (of his) followers “ (they wanted to set up a temple activity for the followers of the Law of One)
“ … (This entity) was the first to establish a library of knowledge *) in 10,300 B.C.E. in what later (in Alexander the Great’s time) became Alexandria in Egypt…” (EC / Reading 315-4)h

Many others went to Egypt – either directly or after first visiting the Pyrenees..**)

No doubt Atlantean culture penetrated many lands on Earth ***) :
Spain, Africa, the Mediterranean (where Old and Little Atlantis were located) but as well lands in America ****)
A comparison with the British/US “empire” with many colonies and bases / trading posts all over our planet may not be so far off the mark.

There are as well many indications that there Were contacts between Atlantis and the people in the Pyrenees:

The Pyrenee region that EC mentions several times in his readings about Atlantis (“…in the Pyrenees…in what are now Spanish, French and Portuguese lands…”) is the lands of the Basques.
They are people that kept their customs, their language, their pride, their independence – not only today but going back to Roman times and perhaps even much further back.

In his travel book E.v. Salomon alleges, perhaps with a good reason:
“The Basques …are the last relics of a freer, prouder world which long ago sunk below the sea together with Atlantis…”

Is it not surprising that centuries ago (when no ships crossed the ocean) the Aztec king Montezuma played Pelota, as do the Basques in a tradition that was kept well alive till today?

So your guess may well be right:
Some of the Celtiberians may have descended from people that either knew or were direct descendants from Atlantis.

As for their and other terrestrial alphabets:
I, too, searched once for alphabets that were similar to the Plejaren alphabet *****) only to read later what Semjase told Billy:

She said that their (Plejaren) writing system (alphabet) “…was first brought to Earth by the sons of heaven, that is, by those who were actually responsible for the original arising of today's Earth humans…”
She tells Billy, too, that the characters they use on Erra are only 11000 years old; that they took them over at that time from their ancestors who lived on Earth.

Their alphabetical characters were worked out by their scientists who were on Earth at the time.
They used constellations as seen from Earth as templates.
Thus the small circles in their alphabet represent stars and they used lines to connect them.

Our terrestrial ancestors adopted the P’s writing and it was used during a few centuries, During this time, however, it was modified in many ways. Thus only a few characters in the terrestrial alphabets have the same “letters” as the ones in the Plejaren alphabet. ******)

Salome,

Bill

*)
We mentioned that this library greatly influenced the dissemination of knowledge in our world. For those new to the Forum:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/14199.html#POST76862

**)
Other readings tell us Atlanteans departing Atlantis for the Americas:
E.g. one reading tells us of a leader that went to Central America to co-ordinate departure activities, another that many people form Mu, Atlantis and Oz (?) went to what today is Mexico and Central America and South America…
“the Incals were the successors of Oz/Og in Peru and [of] Mu in (what is today) southern California, (southern US states) and Mexico…”

EC even discusses the layout of ruins characteristic for each period.
Some circular stones were designed for religious ceremonies and originated from descendants of Atlantis.
(We do not know if those designing Stonehenge may have had a similar origin in mind. But we do know from Ptaah that in time it became a [blood] cult site.)

***)
This applies as well to Mu – which had its “bases” in the Pacific
http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-oceania/mysterious-10000-year-old-underwater-ruins-japan-00817

****)
http://listverse.com/2012/01/06/top-10-predictions-from-edgar-cayce/
EC mentioned that ““A portion of the temples form Atlantis may yet be discovered under the slime of ages and sea water near Bimini …” – well the Bimini Road was discovered some 23 years after his death:
http://www.crystalinks.com/biminiroad.html

*****)
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/13605.html#POST74612

******)
If you want to compare the Celtiberian alphabet with the Plejaren alphabet
http://www.meiersaken.info/Planet_Erra.html
(scroll down to about the middle of the web page where they show the Plejaren alphabet)

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Hi Votan,

Plato reports Atlantis was “outside the Pillars of Hercules” (=Straits of Gibraltar).
The Plejaren, however give us the exact location:
Greater Atlantis was located where the Azores Islands are today.

Thus Atlantis was close to Africa / America and Europe (incl. Spain and the Mediterranean).

Salome,

Bill
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Kenneth
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Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Votan,

You're correct, Atlantis Major was located in the North Atlantic Ocean between North America and Spain/Africa; which is today called the Azores Islands.

Kenneth
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Kenneth
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Bill,

Excellent article, thanks.

Before the destruction of Atlantis one would assume that the Atlantian’s could travel anywhere on planet Earth; as they had vehicles of flight? After the destruction of Atlantis which affected the entire planet, it appears that the technology level along with the spiritual/Creational understanding took a nose dive. Hundreds of generations later, humans tend to forget much of the past and Atlantis became a myth or legend. Archeologists find carvings or gold models of flying craft; but even today the so called scholars want to believe that these were just toys for the children or a coincidence that these artifact’s look like crafts of flight, etc.

So now that the Earth’s axis is tilted because of the destruction (asteroid guided by a spacecraft of Mu) of Atlantis, it would make sense that continents or landmasses that would now be of warmer climate and less destruction would be of significance?

Now, when the Plejaren that are ~30,000 years more spiritually advanced than Earthlings, changed their alphabet to be based on the star or galaxy system locations as viewed from Earth; there would seem to be deeper implications. With that in mind, when the Plejaren are in a different galaxy and solar system, would they not also develop an alphabet based on those star and galaxy locations, obviously different from Earths?

My point is; this not only appears to be a form of security; but also based on how the letters are used in forming for a sentence, it could immediately identify the location in the universe of where the information was being written?

Kenneth
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Kenneth
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A UCLA-led research team reports that the moon is at least 40 to 140 million years older than previously thought; the moon could not have come from a collision of another object with Earth. We are getting closer to what Billy and the Plejaren said.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/wonder/moon-much-older-than-previously-thought/vi-AAmOKIg?ocid=spartandhp

Kenneth
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Kai_moliis
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hello
i am at the moment traveling in peru. on leaving sweden, other figu members spoke of extraterrestrial ruins in peru as a passing by coment on the facts of my journeying to peru, it never struck me to write this down since my plans where set in a different manner whit the journey. so now i am asking after a long searching.
anyone have hints on sites to visit?
15th may 2017 i return home to sweden
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Kenneth
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Kai_moliis,

Saksaywaman Peru may be one location.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saksaywaman

Ollantaytambo (Ollantiatambo) - A Pre-Inca fortress, with rock walls of tightly fitted blocks weighing between 150 and 250 tons each. May be another site.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/peruollantiatambo.htm

Kenneth
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Ilovebilly
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I would consider sites that have stonework like Machu Picchu, i think the stonework is a good indicator of et handiwork or assistance

lake Titicaca would be a priority if i was in south America

Salome
ilovebilly
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Tat_tvam_asi
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-- The Rise and Fall of Empires -

All humans are born with an equal desire for liberty.

But history, from antiquity to the present, is an endless series of attempts, by a small wealthy elite, trying to dominate a large group of people with the aim to expand their dominant position.
To prove this point we analyse the principles of elites then and now.

(1) The Motivation: “Exceptional-ism”

To establish their privileged status they force their fellow humans to give up their equal desire for liberty, accept the superiority of the elites or be punished severely.

Case in point: Ancient Athens.- Ancient Sparta ^)

Athens (1/3 slaves, no rights but well treated – 2/3 citizens) is renowned for establishing a participatory democracy for her own citizens.
But to protect her power Athens forced the city states surrounding Athens to it assist militarily.
But the people of Milos, a tiny island of ethnic Spartans that had been neutral for 700 years, did not want to give up their neutrality. When questioned by what moral right Athens could force them, the Athenians declared:
“Right only exists between two powers that are of equal strength.
If two powers are not equally strong then the stronger power may do as it pleases and the weaker power has to suffer what it has to suffer.”

As Milos resisted, Athens killed all their men and sold their children and women into slavery.
12 years later (404 BCE) Athens was defeated by Sparta.
Athens’ line of reasoning. though, the same double standard, was used to justify the privileges of elites ever since.

--------

“Lacedaemon“ (Sparta)

The Spartan society was an oligarchy ruled by an elite of a few thousand “Spartiates”:
They were the descendants of Dorian intruders occupying what became the Spartan city-state..
They controlled the military and the life of the two other classes (a 20 times larger population):

1) “Peri” - oikoi = “Around”-Dwellers (Out-dwellers)
The Spartiates were only allowed to rule and to train for war – the manufacturing and trading was done by the perioikoi
who lived in the towns around Sparta. They had to pay tributes (tithes) and to serve in the army.

2) Helots –
They were the original natives of the land (before the Dorian invasion) and the descendants of the neighbouring Messina and Helos which Sparta conquered.
Similar to the population growth in the rich and poor countries today:
The rich class (Spartiates) declined more and more (in the end to ca. 1,500) whereas the class of the poor Helots grew more and more – and, may the elites of our day take note, so did the tension between the two classes.

2) The Method: “Divide et Impera - Divide and Conquer”

This maxim was first used by Phillip of Macedonia to conquer Athens, then by Cesar and many other rulers ever since.
Its meaning is defined by Machiavelli (“Art of War”):
(The person employing this strategy) “ should endeavour with every art to divide the forces of the enemy either by making him suspicious of the men whom he trusts in or by giving him causes that he has to separate his forces and because of this becomes weaker.”

It would – to a degree - describe England’s strategy to build her empire:
For many centuries England’s policy re. continental Europe was a “balance of power” which translated into “playing European powers against each other by intrigues or support for a weaker country if one country became too powerful and thus could become a threat to England’s interests”.

This divertive policy allowed England to concentrate on its main interests – the acquisition of colonies, wealth and trade …
England’s elite would not tolerate any “competition” in this sphere
The Portuguese and French were removed from India, the Dutch had to cede Singapore, NY/New England etc , the French were driven from the US and Canada) etc.

Divide and conquer was as well the method used to gain control of India:
The moguls were incited to outplay each other and when this was achieved England only had to defeat the remaining mogul
Thus England developed into a country enjoying the riches of her colonies *)

NB
This is not to single out England but to show that empires – past and present – have similar strategies.
There are many other countries that followed a similar strategy.

(3) The Protection Mechanism

To protect her privileged status and commercial interests, Athens forced the city states/islands surrounding it into a NATO style “Delian League” that had to assist Athens in her fight against Sparta.
Similar to the “Truman Doctrine” - it did not tolerate any neutrality.

The same applied to Sparta.
It, too, subdued the city states surrounding it (Corinth, Megara, Phocis etc) and forced them into a military pact “Peloponnesian League” which had to follow Sparta’s command.

Turning to modern times:

We may well compare the two ancient hegemonies, Athens and Sparta with the US surrounding her capitalist interests with many western allies (NATO) and the USSR protecting her communist ideology by surrounding itself with the (WARSAW PACT) countries.
(The Warsaw Pact does not exist anymore but there is a move in Russia to re-build good relations with the countries along her borders – it now has military bases in 7 of her former WP countries)

(4) Administration by Realpolitik

“.. An empire **) is incapable of being a democracy …” (Thucydides)

Thucydides was an Athenian “strategos” (=general) who was exiled for not being able to save a Greek city.
He used his exile to travel freely, observing and writing down his impressions of the “Peloponnesian War” (PW) between Sparta and Athens.
He is renowned for strictly focussing on realpolitik – noting only cause and effect, leaving out any other factors (e.g. moral/emotions)

In reviewing the causes of the PW, he concludes:
Democracies need leadership.
But this leadership can be dangerous to democracies when it gives too great a freedom:
Thucydides was a great admirer of Pericles and his liberal policies encouraging a seeking spirit.
But by permitting a limitless ambition the liberal policies led to Athens’ imperialism, strife and the loss of democracy:

Thomas Hobbes (1588-1679), the father of political realism, admired Thucydides and translated his writings into English
He concluded that state policy must focus on military and economic power – not on ideals or morals – confirming Machiavelli’s (“The Prince” written in 1514) “…a statesman is often compelled to act against faith, humanity and religion…”. sanctioning the same ruthlessness of those governing an empire.

Case in Point: The Spartan Elite’s Treatment of the Helots

The lowest Spartan caste (Helots) had not only to do all the hard work.
They had as well to wear a dog skin cap, and animal skin robes to clearly mark them as serfs.
In addition they were given an assigned no of beatings each year so that they would never forget that they were only slaves. .
They were made drunk and then shown to their children so that these would despise their parents.

Each year, on their introduction the Ephors (Spartiates’ leaders) “ritually declared war” on the helots allowing the Spartiates to kill them if they so wanted. Thucydides explains one occasion:
The Helots were told to pick out the 2,000 that had most distinguished themselves so that they may come to the temples to receive their freedom . But as they did so, the Spartiates “did away with them and nothing was ever heard of them again”.

Realpolitik – “the end justifies the means” has been applied by many “empire builders”.

E.g. Bismarck who with “blood, sweat and tears” progressed to unite all Germany under Prussian rule.

England using T.E. Lawrence to pursue her “interests”:

The man who choose the crusader castles in Syria as his Oxford thesis, who developed an admiration for the Arabs, who made their cause his cause, who organized their gruesome guerrilla warfare against the Turks, directing them to win – against all odds - their war against the overpowering Ottoman Empire,..

The man that had to watch how the Paris Peace Treaty divided what should have been a “Greater Syria” for his Arabian friends into Palestine, Transjordan and (because of its immense oil reserves) all of Iraq, too, going to the England whereas Lebanon and Syria went to the French - …
No, there are no emotions in “Realpolitik”

Our world today, too, is characterized by a great “liberalism” allowing the elites to propagate fake news.
News, to protect their status by diverting the attention their “democratic” fellow citizens, educating them via “soft power”.

Sample: The fake truth that SH had WMDs in order to incite the Iraq War.
(Would not any reasonable observer ask why the ones that set up the fake news were never punished?)
***)

(5) The Truth That Repeats - “What goes up must come down”

All empires – that is minorities that rule majorities – come, under the weight of the causes they committed, to an inglorious end.

Rome’s “glory” was built by subjugating, enslaving and exploiting many countries: It was utterly destroyed by them.
Several European countries exploited their colonies, enslaving many African natives *****) – today European countries fear to be flooded by many refugees from overpopulating African countries and other former colonies.

Thus countries that were once great empires (e.g. Greek, Rome, the Ottoman / the German / Austrian Empires etc.) are they today not only a shadow of their former “self”?

England …
By educating and giving her colonies the right to govern their affairs themselves England was spared a violent ending.
But even she is slowly leaving her empire status:
She may have won all the WWs it fought, but like Sparta after the Peloponnesian War - her “wins” exhausted her resources too much.
Thus, each victory would came with a substantial loss (after WWI: the US / during WWII: Ireland / after- WWIII – India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. )
(It may well be that the Brexit may cause the loss of Scotland and Northern Ireland.)

Today the US still dominates the world scene ******)
But the constant economic pressures caused by the need to be well armed and maintaining 95 % of all global military bases take their toll creating an increasingly heavy burden.

And the intelligentsia of China, a country with 4 times as many people, is growing immensely – studying ambitiously in China and abroad – with excellent results - and without any religious bias.

Conclusion

(Ptaah to Billy)
“Earth humans are pathologically autocratic and incorrigible, and only learn after first suffering enormous damage…”

Empires are built on the illusion that a minority is privileged to rule a great majority.
History tells us that this illusion does not last and that (national) pride will, SOL, invite (national) fear.

This is so, because the laws that govern our universe do not differentiate between strong and weak.
In the contrary, these laws are equally valid for the strong and the weak.
They are not based on superiority but equalised-ness and will establish a balance via the law of cause and effect..

Our review of human history shows, however, that elites from antiquity till today, do ignore these universal laws, propagate their own subversive laws using religions, lawmakers and governments as pawns to promote their privileges.

This explains the widespread use of a wide range of Machiavellian techniques diverting the public attention from seeing the truth.

There is, however, a growing no of common people – all over our planet - that hesitates, is not willing to quickly accept the deceptive news they are given as truth.
One can only hope that they find together in unity instead of being misled to fight wars against each other.
Wars which would, indeed, be wars for their respective elites ..

Salome,

Bill

^)
Rome’s elite based their double standard on the slogan “quod licet Iovi non licet bovi” (what is permissible for Jupiter (=the emperor) is not permissible for the bull (=common man)”, many (e.g. European/Chinese/S.American) emperors and kings claimed that they had a divine right to rule over others (e.g. Holy Roman Emperor)

*)
Over the centuries England developed a worldwide imperial rather than a European consciousness which – in part - does explain her reluctance to be a part of Europe.
Furthermore the many centuries of European wars – be they through English intervention (to keep the “balance of power”) or be they in-fights between European countries - were all fought on continental European soil – none in England.
Thus England may find it hard to understand that a great majority of Europeans are tired of fighting each other and want to unite in peace.

Yes, the EU may have been forced onto the people and may have developed into an organisation in need of a different basis (the consent of people) and constitution.
But many Europeans put up with the status quo because after so many centuries of wars - esp. the horror of two WWs - they simply have enough of nationalism and fighting each other (and they enjoy the border-free travel )

**)
An empire is defined as an “extensive group of states ruled by a single monarch, an oligarchy or a sovereign state.

***)
Does not – right now - our world wonder, whether the Syrian president, who was already accused of using chem. weapons, has used again (?) chem. missiles against his people in Syria?.
Would anyone with even a basic intelligence do such?
So is it true? Was he tricked? Or is it again a lie propagated as truth to stipulate the removal of another "non-complying" leader – if necessary by war - who did not follow the elites’ orders (a rejected Gas pipeline comes to mind)?

(Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi "had to go" when they were no longer willing to accept US$ for their oil sales…..)

Russia and Syria wanted a UN investigation re. the Gas attack, so perhaps Russia’s version – that the rebels supported by western allies held an arsenal of these weapons – was right after all.

It would as well explain that Russia upped the ante – threatening a war if there are any ultimatums from the G7.

But western MSM repeats that Assad is the perpetrator and has to go.

Somehow one gets the feeling that an elite that is well aware about the truth – is directing the happenings and what news the public should hear…

***)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10874230/Jean-Claude-Juncker-profile-When-it-becomes-serious-you-have-to-lie.html

****)
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/the-bosses-of-senate.html

*****)
There is e.g. a great fear in England today of refugees from Africa and the Middle East coming through the EU. English politicians blame the EU’s policies. But in reality the EU is only a vicarious agent for a balance that has to happen.

The true cause, the booming English slave trade centuries ago, may never be mentioned in the English press:
Between 1650 and 1775 *) English ships transported more than 50 % of all slave transports worldwide.
The City of London provided the money for the many slaving voyages, it was the centre of the slave trade..

The conditions on board of the slave ships:
About half a million African slaves died while being transported, some were even thrown overboard to save provisions.
Once they were sold in the Americas, the slaves had to work extremely hard and long hours:
Their average life expectancy was 7 years…

As for the status of those gaining from this “trade” ...
The only London Lord Mayor that has a statue in Guildhall, is “Lord” Beckford (1709-1770) – his vast wealth coming from his vast plantations in Jamaica, run by the vast no. of slaves he employed there.
https://historicengland.org.uk/research/inclusive-heritage/the-slave-trade-and-abolition/sites-of-memory/slave-traders-and-plantation-wealth/london-centre-of-the-slave-trade/

https://www.nps.gov/ethnography/aah/aaheritage/histContextsD.htm
(Check the slave trade figures between 1650 and 1775)

******)
The US has ca 4 % of Earth’s population but her ecological footprint is much bigger.

The US consumes
31 % of all paper, 23 % of all coal, 27 % of all Aluminium, 19 % of all copper,
produces
50 % of all waste
spends
50 % of all the military spending on our planet
and maintains
95 % of all military bases worldwide ^^) = more than 800 military bases in ca. 80 countries -
(at a cost of more than 150 billion US$ p.a.)

^^) In comparison:
Russia: 1 in Syria (and 7 in former allied countries)
China: 1 in a tiny country (Djibouti) in the Horn of Africa
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Kenneth
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Bill,

This is excellent, can tell that much work went into this summery of world elitist’s and associated events in history; very interesting. This pretty much nails what is happening in the world right now. It’s Farley obvious that the Elites opposes pluralism, which traditionally assumes that all human beings, or at least the multitude of the social groups, have equal power and balance each other out in contributing to democratic political outcomes representing the emergent, aggregate will of society.

Basically; from an elitist’s point of view; if everyone is equal and free; the elitist will lose power over the people.

Plato contends that we are all made of the same three parts yet not all have the parts aligned in a healthy balance. The result is that greed, ambition, and foolishness rule in these unbalanced people. Apparently Plato lived through the democratic period in Athens' government and through the oligarchy period when the conquering Spartans installed the wealthy oligarchists (small group of people having control of a country) as rulers of Athens, a move that unleashed a fierce retribution of bloodshed upon the unseated democratic rulers.”

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Bill, I agreed with this line of thinking in college, but the more I studied it, the more incomplete seemed the explanatory model. There are other major factors at play, not replacing this model, but in addition to it. Stepping into that realm has forced me into political incorrectness, for the factors I searched for are found in the recognition that not all people are the same, and by extension that distinct peoples of non-common backgrounds sometimes interact poorly with one another. Not just as elites or conquerors vs. second-class or the conquered, but actual differences exist in the types of common collective societal decisions the distinct groups of people make. These differing collective priorities and strategies, intelligences and capabilities, are an 'also ran' factor in explaining how some groups dominate over others. This is a realization that runs counter to the intrinsic spiritual understanding and morality of the day, that we should all be equal, full stop.

Reconciling morality with reality is the basis of the original Athenian conundrum. When a utopia first starts, an idealized balance is kept in the start-up utopia until wealth and social stratification develop, whereupon the higher the society has arisen whilst following the utopian ideal of ignoring the reality, the harder it falls with some elite class at the helm coming up with excuses that cannot withstand skeptical scrutiny. Hence, the idealized and enforced equality ultimately falters just as much as any enforced class system. The problem, IMHO, lies in the enforcement, in enticing or enforcing a status (whether it be equal or stratified) when in reality folks vary, even as individuals vary over the course of their own lifetime. The solution as I see (for now) it is two-fold:
1. to segregate and to allow the distinct populations to be distinct , and
2. to maintain cross-cultural zones or cities wherein everyone can mix and interact with impunity, equality of value being legally recognized through a common set of laws simple enough for everyone to understand.
A two-tiered society, not of elites vs. second-class, but of conservatives vs. exploratory, gives space for both types of mankind that occur within every population, and allows people to dabble in one way of being, then another as they progress through life. Through this, the utopian ideal will someday will be more closely approached, though not fully attained. IMHO, the range of groups along a scale of advancement is just too disparate to form a single society with a single set of social rules by which we can all get along. A two-tiered approach threatens no one's identity, and makes concerns about domination less-founded.

(Alternatively we have now the technical capability for literally force everyone of the folk to be exactly the same within a few generations through draconian genetic engineering and population management, this being the Coudenhove-Kalergi solution. Interestingly enough, Kalergi's model recognizes the need for a (((ruling class))).)
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Could this actually be recorded history from an ancient Earthlings point of view from their comprehension or perception of advanced technology in that period of time regarding extraterrestrials visiting Earth?

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vimanas/esp_vimanas_3.htm

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Linda
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This is very interesting.

My understanding is that a special alloys or Special Metals unknown to us at this time would make it impossible to build new ones on Earth? Am I correct in understanding this?
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Gday Kenneth

Our mates say the ancient Indian writings are the less corrupted so i think lots can be learnt from the ancient Indians

ufos are not new to Earth
even the dinosaurs invented ufos tens of millions of years ago

i think the beam ship is often the first interstellar type of ufo invented by most civilisations

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ILB,

"even the dinosaurs invented ufos . . ."?

Not sure about your meaning about this?

Kenneth
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Gday Ken

a species of dinosaur evolved to be like us (our shape) and way more intelligent then left earth via ufos they invented

is in cnotes

probably like the Voth in Trek eh eh
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Voth

They are still out in space too i would think

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ILB,

Have never heard of this before; can you provide that C-Note link?

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Gday Linda

re:
My understanding is that a special alloys or Special Metals unknown to us at this time would make it impossible to build new ones on Earth? Am I correct in understanding this?


Special alloys are better but not vital, Iron will work

Earth does have ufos made on earth ATM that can fly around the solar system but cant go beyond that, they could if they invented an interstellar drive system like a beam ship. The Nazis made ufos and from memory one ufo did have interstellar drive. I think iron would work but rust would be a problem if not a rust proof alloy. Alloys could also be stronger so better for defense/accidents.

I think a beam ship is the easiest interstellar/time drive to make, its just a tachyon beam that shines in the direction u want to travel, an energy shield is needed around the ufo, when the ufo gets to the speed of light the shields are turned off, at the speed of light the ship turns into thought waves, the ship and everything in the ship is then in nul space/time, when u are in nul space/time u can go anywhere and any time in an instant. its very easy to get lost in space/time though, fractions of a second is a lot of time, u need to know how long to stay de-materialised

i dont know how they re-materialise or plot a course, its probably programed before turning off the shields, when shields come back on u re-materialise

e=mc2 dosnt work when in nul time space but i know equations that should work

E=T7
Energy = Thought to the power of 7

and

M=T49
Matter = Thought to the power of 49

Earth is more than capable, its just we are not allowed to leave and it would take practice to be able to return to the right time/space, lots of people cant return to the right point in time/space before its perfected

Salome
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Gday Ken
That a species of dinosaur left earth is an eye opener i know ;-)

I dont know what cnote that was in
can anyone confirm or deny its in cnotes that dinosaurs left earth/evolved beyond our abilities did anyone else read it in cnotes?
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.

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