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    Votan Member Post Number: 770 Registered: 12-2011 |
Corey Arrogant because how they treat their average people. Communist country but the rich is well looked after. How they harvest prisoners parts to sell to western world when a lot are only political prisoners standing up for their rights. I have heard about how the Vatican will be destroyed. Cause and effect. joe | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 196 Registered: 01-2011 |
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle- bronzedesk(Mat) And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time. ~ T. S. Eliot | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 180 Registered: 10-2016 |
That was a likable, and interesting Aristotle quote Mat (Bronzedesk). ----- I just wanted to say, for corrections sake, that my post #133 a few pages back needs an update: "übersehend" from line #8 should state "overseen" (instead of "monitored/supervising/regarding"). "unübersehbar" from line #9 should state "unoverseeable" (instead of "without monitoring/without supervising/without regarding"). ----- Self-correction of some German translation by Corey Müske from AA book, page 21 verses 8/9. Dictionaries can be tricky, then I ran across this word in "Goblet", but there is no current FIGU-Dictionary entry to match. I did not want to create any future confusion from my error. :-) Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Mait Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 05-2014 |
In February was an event in Vatican where scientist from all over the world came together to talk about biological extinction , climate change and overpopulation. Paul R. Ehrlich comment: I was somewhat apprehensive about taking my invited place at the workshop on biological extinction of the Pontifical Academies of Science and Social Sciences at the end of February. Right wing Catholic websites were loaded with outrage and lies about my invitation, and that of John Bongaarts from the Population Council, and more than 10,000 people had signed petitions to get me (or us) excluded. My apprehension was unnecessary. The view of the Academies, backed by the Vatican, was that “all voices should be heard.” The workshop, arranged by my old friends and colleagues Peter Raven and Partha Dasgupta, was one of the most productive and informative I have ever attended. It was an assembly of stars, and everyone was treated with dignity, respect, and fine hospitality. The presidents of the two Academies, Werner Arber and Margaret Archer, and their Chancellor Msgr. Marcelo Sánchez Sarondo were open and friendly. The papers (which will be published commercially), were (with a single exception) excellent, as was most of the discussion. Everyone emphasized the grave danger extinctions pose both to human life-support systems and the ethical duties of humanity to preserve “the creation” –the only life-forms we know of in the universe. There was essentially complete agreement that the drivers of the now-underway sixth mass extinction were human overpopulation, overconsumption by the rich, and inequity (poverty). The only issue that was carefully avoided was contraception. Everyone there, like virtually everyone, wanted abortion to be extremely rare. Since it was not in our charge, there was no point in having a discussion of methods of birth control, but everyone was aware of the view, which I share with all of my colleagues (including many Catholics), that contraception should be available to all, as a major tool in both the needed reduction in birth rates and avoidance of abortion. All in all it was an encouraging experience. The Catholic Church is the only one with scholarly academies charged with providing unbiased information. As a result, for example, it has led the way in the battle against climate denial and long ago accepted the overwhelming evidence for evolution. In a civilization facing existential risks, it should be praised and supported for this attitude toward science. https://mahb.stanford.edu/blog/vatican-visit/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7TpoLmR60 | ||
Andrew_grimshaw Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 02-2017 |
Thanks Mait, that was very interesting. "The Catholic Church is the only one with scholarly academies charged with providing unbiased information."  ROFPMSLMFAO!!! The hypocrisy is staggering with these twits. Overpopulation is a problem but thou shalt not put a condom on one's penis... just ignore the suffocating one we've put on your consciousness, psyche and knowledge!!! - The Silent Revolution of Truth - | ||
Mait Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 05-2014 |
Andrew, I understand why Ehrlich said that. Personally he is against religion and as he have said that if we teach our children there is a super natural monsters watching over their shoulder, then its a child abuse. But overpopulation, climate change etc effect all of us despite of our faith or non faith and also other lifeforms from which we are utterly depend on. So he uses every opportunity to get the message out. He has given very interesting lectures in Australia(your home country?) on overpopulation. If you are interested i would add some links for start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzhVI1mLd4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf6b9DsdUQk | ||
Andrew_grimshaw Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2017 |
G'Day & Salome Mait, Yes, I'm an Aussie! Ehrlich is very intelligent and rational with a great sense of humour. He, like BEAM and others, are up against the not-too-bright-megalomaniacs. And to quote him in a nutshell: “We're sawing off the limb that we're sitting on. Intensely stupid, no question about it. And hardly paid any attention to.” - The Silent Revolution of Truth - | ||
Linda Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 06-2014 |
Kenneth, CO2 is carbon dioxide correct? Am I correct in understanding that this is what we exhale when we breathe? | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 668 Registered: 04-2013 |
Linda, Yes, you are correct. It’s important to know the difference between C-dioxide (CO2) and C-Monoxide (C0) Carbon dioxide (CO2) is produced by all aerobic organisms when they metabolize carbohydrates and lipids to produce energy by respiration. It is returned to water via the gills of fish and to the air via the lungs of air-breathing land animals, including humans. Carbon dioxide is produced during the processes of decay of organic materials and the fermentation of sugars in bread, beer and winemaking. It is produced by combustion of wood and other organic materials and fossil fuels such as coal, peat, petroleum and natural gas. “The truth is that Earth is a wondrous planet, but it has only the capacity to support and feed in every way and in abundance 529 million people.” This is one of many reasons why overpopulation is such a concern. Today, according to Earth scientists we are at 7.5 billion in human population. This is over 14 times higher than it should be. Interestingly, the Plejaren headcount is much higher and more accurate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide Carbon monoxide, or “CO,” is an odorless, colorless gas that can kill you. CO is found in fumes produced any time you burn fuel in cars or trucks, small engines, stoves, lanterns, grills, fireplaces, gas ranges, or furnaces. CO can build up indoors and poison people and animals who breathe it. https://www.cdc.gov/co/faqs.htm Kenneth   | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 670 Registered: 04-2013 |
Question for anyone? Human population on Earth is higher than 7.5 million people. The Plejaren’s headcount is always higher than terrestrial’s headcount, which I assume is because Earthlings do not have an accurate counting system? The question is; according to Ptaah, monkeys are considered “land-tree-human-beings”? Does this also add to the Plejarens overpopulation headcount of humans on Earth? Ptaah: 98. This corresponds indeed to Darwin's doing at the time. 99. And, of course, today’s scientific assertion that the finds of the remains of the hominid life-form Lucy would represent the link between monkey and human being is erroneous and completely wrong, for truthly the human being does not derive from the monkey, but the monkey had the hominid-human life-form as origin. 100. This hominid-human life-form was already an early upright walker, and thus a life-form which was walking on the ground with its two legs, but lived nevertheless for the sake of safety also on trees, with for that purpose feet and toes as well as hands and fingers formed and shaped accordingly. 101. One could call these beings land-tree-human-beings. Ptaah: 98. Das entspricht tatsächlich dem damaligen Tun Darwins. 99. Und natürlich ist die wissenschaftliche Behauptung von heute irrig und völlig falsch, dass die Funde der Überbleibsel der hominiden Lebensform Lucy das Bindeglied zwischen Affe und Mensch darstelle, denn wahrheitlich stammt nicht der Mensch vom Affen ab, sondern der Affe hatte die hominid-menschliche Lebensform als Ursprung. 100. Diese hominid-menschliche Lebensform war schon früh ein Aufrechtgeher und so also eine Lebensform, die auf ihren zwei Beinen auf dem Boden einherging, nichtsdestoweniger jedoch aus Sicherheitsgründen auch auf Bäumen lebte, wofür auch die Füsse und Zehen sowie die Hände und Finger dementsprechend geartet und geformt waren. 101. Man könnte diese Wesen Land-Baum-Menschen nennen. Kenneth | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 778 Registered: 12-2011 |
Kenneth You mean 7.5 billion I think.Human population only. They have a method to determine human from animal. joe | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 909 Registered: 08-2004 |
Interesting question, Kenneth. My take on this is that the "land-tree-human-bengs" (LTHBs) are/were not monkeys because the LTHBs were already upright walkers, which monkeys are not; they are classified on earth as feet and knuckle walkers and not upright walkers. This definition might be complicated, however, by the many who do consider some primates as temporary upright walkers. These LTHBs sound to me like they could be another early species since they had "feet and toes as well as hands and fingers formed and shaped accordingly" to live in trees as well as on land, but they seemed to be walking mostly on the land upright as there is no mention of them knuckle walking by Ptaah. There is the Dancing Lemur of Madagascar, a small white monkey, and other colored variations, that walks/dances or jumps upright and sideways. They are only found on Madagascar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9ARvGS3mhk. Perhaps the LTHBs were a small spinoff like the unique Oliver, or Ambam(http://www.rense.com/general67/oliver.htm). http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Hbo7Ung0Hbg/TUJoYpajKNI/AAAAAAAABfg/ksbu_WyocNQ/s1600/Oliver+the+Chimpanzee.jpg. http://theprancingpapio.blogspot.jp/2011/01/apes-walking-upright-thats-just-how.html. While bonobos are mentioned as walking upright, they mostly walk on fours. Reading v 99 and 100 it says the humanoids and upright walkers were already around before the apes and gorillas arrived ("the monkey had the hominid-human life-form as origin"). It seems to me then that the monkeys and chimps are not the LTHBs mentioned which were the early progenitors to the human being. Ptaah also says that they, the Plejaren, too must limit their population to 500 million and that it is the responsibility of humans to enforce this once they have developed their civilization. The monkeys or lemurs or other hominids would not be capable of such responsibility, so I think that Ptaah means just we human beings with a developed self awareness and consciousness without the other primates. I am not aware of any definition of the human being in terms of numbers of chromosomes given by the Plejaren. Chimps have one more than us, and I don't recall the Plejaren saying how many chromosomes they have. Chris Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Mait Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 05-2014 |
Kenneth, As much as i understand there is no “land-tree-human-beings”(with conscious thinking) anymore. Watch that video where Cristian Krukowski gives answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTUuXRrKn6k Regarding false population number you may find the answer from here: http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/figu-forum/2017/nr-4 | ||
Linda Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 06-2014 |
Kenneth, Thank you. I am beginning to see how atmosphere collapse happens. Totally expect that the head count the higher and that the plejarens have a more accurate head count. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 476 Registered: 07-2006 |
The Plejaren distinguish a human being from and animal (monkey/ape) by the type of consciousness they have. The human being has a conscious-consciousness the animals (monkey/ape) have an instinct-cosciousness Regarding the overpopulation numbers the Plejaren express their numbers in the European Long scale names which is totally different than how the United States expresses numbers in their American Short Scale Name. See: https://www.creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=eVQgyH0YknQ%3d&tabid=305&portalid=0 as of 31-Dec-2016 (midnight) the Plejaren count of human beings on earth was 8,739,001,024 see also: https://www.creationaltruth.org/FIGU/Overpopulation.aspx this is expressed in German as approx. 8.739 Milliarde this is expressed in the European Long scale name as approx. 8.739 milliard (not million) this is expressed in the American short scale name as approx. 8.739 billion for German to English translations it should be expressed as 8.739 thousand-million this is done to prevent confusion between the two number systems large scale names which the majority of people are not even aware of significant difference between the two. Salome PatM | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 672 Registered: 04-2013 |
Votan, Good catch, my mistake/typo, you're correct. The sentence should have read; "Human population on Earth is higher than 7.5 Billion people." Thanks for catching that. Kenneth | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 616 Registered: 04-2011 |
Excellent explanation of CO2 / CO, Kenneth. I, too, think your hypothesis answers your interesting question re. differences in the population count. Good explanations from Chris and Mait. Thank you. Bill | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 10-2016 |
Interesting topic, from what I understand, the Biogram device separates the Earth into a grid-pattern, and it registers each of the billions of individual consciousness signatures from each living human-being on Earth, as each living human-being has their own unique consciousness signature. If someone's consciousness signature is missing, they have died since the last New Years Eve count. The only stipulation I know of is that it does not pick up the consciousness signature of the peoples of Earth living underground (secret bases, giants of Peru, etc.). I am certain the Plejaren know how to set the Biogram device to pick up human only consciousness signatures, and the monkeys, and other primates are only a fraction of what we are in comparison (almost 9 thousand-million human-beings). Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 10-2016 |
(Random post)/ the overpopulation derivatives that will be accumulating over the next 200 years, food and water shortages, resource shortages, lessons in learning not how to OVER-procreate, will be the reflection of the universal order of law "re-balancing" the populace back to the natural normalcy. The populace will have a different outlook on population growth in 2217, then the obvious overabundance that is flourishing in 2017. In all the cause and effect manifestations, it will be as though the universe itself is leaving it's mark on our populace, by nature-induced destruction's thus giving life-altering lessons of = cause and effect. What a difference the passage of 200 years of time could make (after all the residual cause and effect derivatives). Line 236 of the Sfath 1948 P & P's indicates 75% of the natural disasters upcoming will be self-inflicted, and when we are no longer blind, deaf, and dumb to this predicament, will line 297 then make it's appearance? If only I could glimpse into this time of line 297, but if necessary, I will have a new personality after this one to meet this time personally, and wait like everyone else. After the passage of 200 years, it is a wish of mine that our descendants have complete deference regarding the natural law and order of Creation when it comes to population counts. You people of this time could help usher in a "Golden Era" by keeping population at 529,000,000 million human-beings, sure you will have your own unique challenges, and difficulties, but I am sure after 200 years time from now, you future people can overcome the challenges with "honest-uprightness" (ehrliche Redlichkeit). :-)   Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Mait Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 05-2014 |
Very interesting fresh article which sums up everything. I think it should be mandatory reading for everyone on this planet. https://psmag.com/magazine/fallacy-of-endless-growth | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 673 Registered: 04-2013 |
The Plejaren distinguish a human being from an animal (monkey/ape) by the type of consciousness they have. The human being has a conscious-consciousness the animals (monkey/ape) have an instinct-cosciousness When the correct and accurate explanation of the difference between humans and apes is provided; it seems so logical and as a matter of fact. So which side of the fence does Sasquatch fall into? My guess would be more of a conscious-consciousness? Thanks for this information Salome Kenneth | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 500 Registered: 11-2008 |
Mait, The sad part of that link that you posted is that according to these "experts", there is no such thing as overpopulation on our planet! "This unquestioning faith in the magical powers of human ingenuity has led economists to make some preposterous assertions. Oxford University professor Wilfred Beckerman, who dubbed Limits "a brazen, impudent piece of nonsense," claimed there is "no reason to suppose that economic growth cannot continue for another 2,500 years." Carl Kaysen, a doyen of economics at Harvard, said that, by some calculations, the Earth's "available matter and energy" could support a population of around 3.5 trillion people, all living at American standards of affluence. Julian Simon, who publicly expressed his loathing for Limits, assured us back in 1992 that "We now have in our hands—in our libraries, really—the technology to feed, clothe, and supply energy to an ever-growing population for the next 7 billion years." Elsewhere, he made the bizarre declaration that, "in the end, copper and oil come out of our minds." | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 674 Registered: 04-2013 |
Bill, Thanks for the accolade regarding the explanation of CO2 / CO . Science and history, especially accurate and truthful ancient history are a couple of my favorite subjects; it all ties in well with the Teaching and the root causes of Overpopulation. Kenneth |
