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    Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 618 Registered: 04-2011 |
(Re. Kenneth's Question) Washington Post Headline (just in): Ape that lived in Europe 7 million years ago could be human ancestor controversial study suggests https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/05/22/ape-that-lived-in-europe-7-million-years-ago-could-be-human-ancestor-controversial-study-suggests/?utm_term=.55d2a8090a45 *) We know that the headline's suggestion "ape = human ancestor is wrong. But as they only found teeth - maybe they belonged to the upright walking but still in tree living LTHBs. | ||
Linda Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 06-2014 |
PatM Can you explain more on the human concious consciousness verses the animal instinct consciousness? I know I've been told the difference I am having trouble grasping it. | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 780 Registered: 12-2011 |
Joe No problem with over population, if us humans cannot control or do not want to control , like the Catholic church nature will fix it. Law of cause and effect. joe | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 910 Registered: 08-2004 |
Votan, Over population is a problem. Although nature will fix it, it will do so because humans have made it a problem for nature. We only need to look around to see how nature has suffered from overpopulation. It will be a problem for us too because we will pay the price. Where it is no problem is with the law of cause and effect. Chris Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 477 Registered: 07-2006 |
Linda, There is a good article in FIGU Special Bulletin No. 32 that should help to explain this. It is a question to Billy: "When it is said that the human is not descended from the ape, then how was it really?" This was translated to English by Bruce Lulla and Mariann Uehlinger Mondria. The translated article can be found here: http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/2015/07/readers-question-on-humans-and-apes.html?view=timeslide Hope this helps Salome PatM | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 619 Registered: 04-2011 |
Joe, http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/11984.html#POST58358 Phi-Spiral (Nov28, 2011): “In his book, A Tiny Bit Knowledge, Sense and Wisdom, Billy acknowledges Confucius as one of the teachers in history of the "true way", where he goes on to define a "true way" teaching as putting good and positive seeds of thought into the consciousness and psyche of the person, from which in time good and positive values arise, such as true love, harmony, truth, wisdom, peace, harmony, balance, respect, reverence, maturity and humanity.” (Chinese thinking is very much based on Confucius teachings) Bill | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 478 Registered: 07-2006 |
Linda, Also see an article from FIGU Bulletin No. 44 in which Billy was asked: "What precisely is the Overall-Consciousness-Block...?" You can find my translation of this article (which may contain errors) here: https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Periodicals/FIGU%20Bulletins/2003-Vol9/FIGUBulletin044/Reader%20Question%20-%20What%20precisely%20is%20the%20overall-consciousness-block-sec.pdf?ver=2017-05-15-232717-377 Hope this also helps. Salome PatM | ||
Linda Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2014 |
PatM, Thank you for the link. Read it and still have difficulty grasping what specific difference is being referred too when one is saying instinct versus conscious regarding the consciousness. | ||
Mait Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 05-2014 |
Joe, Yes that is true. This only shows that our school system is failed, it does not explain where food is coming from, what is our life support system(biodiversity) and our part in it etc. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 912 Registered: 08-2004 |
Just an aside on the million/billion count: I remember when I was in infants school in England, just over 60 years ago, there was some confusion over whether billion was to be expressed as a thousand million or a million million in England. We had no need for such large numbers, so no one had really considered it much. No one had a billion dollars or pounds and no country was billions in debt. Furthermore, no one was commonly looking back or forward in time billions of years, and the space age hadn't begun so billion was not needed there either. England eventually decided, officially around 1974 , to go with the American system of a thousand million for one billion as such a large number was beckoning to come into usage -- perhaps to count the stars which were growing in observable numbers with improvements in the telescope -- and the universe was just beginning to be not only reckoned but calculated as billions of years old. I wonder if they hadn't gone the US route whether a thousand million would have ended up a milliard as in Germany and a million million a billion. Maybe another reason for adopting the American version was the vivid memories of the then recent defeat of Germany by the UK and USA in the war, which was only about 10 years prior to my infant school days. Chris Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Marbar Member Post Number: 296 Registered: 12-2009 |
What do you all think of a woman saying that she don't want any children? When a woman say that she don't want any children and she stands by that regardless of what her family, friends, the media, or what society says; I admire such a woman. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 193 Registered: 10-2016 |
Marbar, I too would admire such a childless woman. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 676 Registered: 04-2013 |
Linda, PatM, if I may, correct me if I’m in error. You asked a very good question. …”instinct versus conscious regarding the consciousness.” As I understand it, “instinct” is a naturally innate fixed pattern of behavior in animals in response to certain stimuli. For instance. "Birds have an instinct to build nests". Being “conscious” is simply; aware of and responding to one's surroundings; where consciousness is a state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings with the awareness by the mind itself, in other words, consciousness emerges from the operations of the brain. “Consciousness” forms an essential link in all instinctive activities. Conscious as in conscious-evolution references that humanity has learned and/or developed the ability to choose what the species Homo sapiens becomes in the future, based on recent advancements in science, medicine, technology, psychology, sociology, and spirituality. Human beings can choose to over Populate (Propagate) without regard to nature or present surroundings. Animals will usually instinctively propagate depending on nature and present surroundings, thereby controlling their population. Kenneth | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 329 Registered: 02-2010 |
Marbar, In order to protect your psyche and your consciousness you cannot speak logical to illogical people... it is definitely courageous for a woman to look at the big picture and the overall impact of her actions..... thankfully I started meditating at an early age which help me to expand my thinking as result I am happily childless.... beware of those who suggest otherwise... it is disappointing to see the number of children being born in this world under the direction such unaware parents MsMichelle | ||
Linda Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 06-2014 |
Kenneth, And PatM Please correct me if I am misunderstanding. The difference between instinct consciousness and concious consciousness is the later can choose to change their future whereas the former cannot. Am I understanding this correctly? | ||
Mait Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 05-2014 |
Regarding instinct you may find your answer here: http://au.figu.org/spirit.html | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 197 Registered: 10-2016 |
Linda, I never got a chance to welcome you to the forums. I think one of the more centrigal parts of being a human-being with a conscious-consciousness is that the point of it all is to be guardians (and keepers) of all of Creation's creations. See "Goblet" 7:55. If you like that verse, see "Goblet" 6:15, and 6:106 for supplemental related information. I bring this up because in one of Billy's German only books ("Teaching Script") Billy penned that the point of planets existing is so humans can evolve. When I read this, I was blown away, and my thought was: so the Creation Universal Consciousness created planets, simply so humans can evolve, whose spirit-forms will one day merge with the Creation, and evolve the Creation itself. So there was a plan. And if we consider 7:55 humans also exist to look after (to protect) everything. :-) Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 680 Registered: 04-2013 |
Linda, You said; "The difference between instinct consciousness and conscious consciousness is the later can choose to change their future whereas the former cannot." For the most part, you are correct; there is much more to it as Corey explained and PatM & Mait directed you to certain articles. Folks here are not being rude for not answering you right away, assume it's more to the issue that you need to read the provided links and understand with your own conscious-consciousness for the correct answers, and your own evolution. Good job Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 682 Registered: 04-2013 |
Mait, Thank you, this was an excellent article on Spirit, Instinct and Life; among other particulars. http://au.figu.org/spirit.html Have not viewed this specific article disclosure before now, a very good read. Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Marbar Member Post Number: 299 Registered: 12-2009 |
Here is some articles on why people don't want children: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/04/millenials-not-having-babies/391721/ https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/style/no-kids-for-me-thanks.html?_r=0 https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/kith-and-kin/201312/the-maternal-myth | ||
Linda Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 06-2014 |
Kenneth, PatM, Corey, Mait, Thank you all for your help. Reading the links has helped. I have another question about instinct: I ounce listened to a type of wasp (lays egg on bored hole on tree, small, skint with reddish colored abdomen) "Sing" to her offspring in the egg she was laying in the tree on which way to fly upon emerging from the egg/tree and to find food and to identify food etc. Since this event I have always questioned and wondered what was meant by instinct. I have read non BEAM sources that say instinct is something that one is born with though I have experienced this as something that is taught... Can anyone elaborate on this ? Just fyi i don't think anyone is being rude in their timeframe answers. I myself read in chunks depending on outside factors etc. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 483 Registered: 07-2006 |
Explain the difference between the instinct/conscious consciousnesses http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/show.cgi?14/79#POST82157 Linda's question And PatM Please correct me if I am misunderstanding. The difference between instinct consciousness and concious consciousness is the later can choose to change their future whereas the former cannot. Am I understanding this correctly? ---- Linda, First of all no one can determine their own future life. When an embryo is first conceived (at fertilization of the egg) an ur-instinct pregiven ur-drive is intitiated. Then on the 21st day after conception the embryo becomes a fetus when the spirit-form and consciousness-block enter it. In order to better understand the the differences between the instinct conscousness and conscious-consciousness you will also need to know about the kinds of consciousness and how they are all inter-related. First there is the Universal-based consciousness: 1) Energy-consciousness - this is Creation-universal-consciousness-based and is significantly different from the other consciousness forms primarily because this is universal-consciousness-based. (e.g., physical universe, stars, planets, compounds, elements, atoms, sub-atomic, etc.) From a Ceational Idea and through an energy-based universal-consciousness a planet is formed based on the natural-creational laws and recommendations. This planet forms the basis of all other life forms on a planet that evolves high enough for amino acids to begin developing in the unique combinations necessary to eventually form single/multi-celled organisms. - the following forms of consciousness are planetary-based and begin developing/evolving once a planet has evolved enough to begin supporting life. Each includes its own unique Overall-Consciousness-Block and Consciousness-Block as well as storage banks. 2) Impulse-Consciousness - (unconscious) Impulse-consciousness (animated by an impulse-energy spirit-form) a) single Cell wavering mass b) Flora/Plants 3) Instinct-consciousness - (unconscious) Impulse-consciousness & (unconscious) Instinct-consciousness (animated by an instinct-energy spirit-form) a) Fauna/Animals 4) *Hybrid- Evolution Consciousness (spirit-forms create overall-consciousness=block / no more new spirit-forms created) Ur-line (Primate) Primate-Wesen/first-Wesen - (unconscious) Impulse-consciousness & (unconscious) Instinct-consciousness & (conscious) evolution-consciousness (hybrid spirit-form) a) Instinct-Consciousness - devolved/lost conscious-consciousness capabilities, retains (unconscious) Impulse-consciousness & (unconscious) Impulse-consciousness & (unconscious) Instinct-consciousness & (unconscious evolution-capable instinct-consciousness) (animated by an instinct-energy spirit-form) e.g., Ape/Monkey b) Conscious-Consciousness - evolved/ retained conscious-consciousness, (unconscious) Impulse- consciousness - (unconscious) Impulse-consciousness & (unconscious) Instinct-consciousness & Conscious-consciousness (Conscious-evolution-capable conscious-consciousness) (animated by a human spirit-form) e.g., Human Beings 1) Human Being - 2) Semi-Material/semi-spiritual (High Council) 3) Material Body dissolves - not longer needed (Pure Spirit Level) ---- For more clarification see also the following drawings: - Evolution of the Consciousness - https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=szBWEO1XCLc%3d&tabid=305&portalid=0 - Reincarnation-Incarnation Process - https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=0biaVJREz9M%3d&tabid=305&portalid=0 Hope this helps Salome PatM | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 794 Registered: 12-2011 |
Patm That is not altogether true. Certain events can be changed by instincts or guidance from some unknown forces. I reckon that your life cycle is mapped out from birth to death.That is my opinion. Now I am possibly going to be shot down in flames by the so called experts, but who cares. joe |
