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    Cpl Member Post Number: 915 Registered: 08-2004 |
Joe, I hope you don't think I'm shooting you down in flames here, but there are no "so-called experts" here. We are all learning and helping each other along, and always will be; even Billy. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 623 Registered: 04-2011 |
Your diagrams are truly excellent. Thank you, Pat. Bill | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 685 Registered: 04-2013 |
Votan, You said, "Certain events can be changed by instincts or guidance from some unknown forces." Do you have a reference for this? What do you mean by "unknown forces"? Kenneth | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 12-2016 |
German Media Promotes Migrants Replacing Ageing Locals in Small European Towns http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/01/german-media-promotes-migrants-replacing-locals-small-european-towns/ | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 200 Registered: 10-2016 |
Votan-Joe, I hope you do not see me shooting you down in flames either, (well said Chris), my intention is to say you mostly told the truth, while not the entire life-cycle is "mapped-out", the rough-line of the life is, including birth, and death. Although I am lost on the bit about "unknown forces", the following information backs up what you say about the life-cycle being mapped out from birth to death. At least, according to Billy the rough "outline" of the life is mapped-out (pre-determined) so this is true: This is freely available in my free reincarnation PDF: http://theyfly.com/sites/default/files/reincarnation (3) corrected May 13 2017.pdf ~Excerpt from PDF taken from Q & A: July 22, 2010: Dear Billy and Christian: Thank you very much for the advice. In this last month I was controlling my negative thoughts in a better way and with your advice I feel much more optimistic. I think meditation could benefit me and therefore, I am reading your book. I have a question about this sentence: “ Die grobe Linie des Lebens namlich allein ist vorbestimmt, so namlich der eigentliche Weg, den du zu gehen hast. Nicht vorbestimmt aber ist deine individuelle Handlungweise und das Drum und Dran, wie du eine jegliche Sache bewältigst. Translation: “ The coarse line of life is namely predetermined, namely the actual way that you have to go through. It is not predetermined however, your individual behavior and the bits and pieces like each thing that you have to deal with.” I tried to translate this sentence and from what I understood, the coarse part of our lives is predetermined, but the many decisions that we make along the way are up to us. Can you please tell me what this sentence means? (I probably didn’t understand due to my translation) Hi Scott: I forgot to include the name of the book and the page for my question. “Einfuhrung in die Meditation” page 35. Thank you. answer: The rough line of our life is pretermined, i.e. pregnancy, fetus, birth, life, dying, death. The rest is left to our decisions ~Excerpt from PDF from OM translation: "* see OM canon 32:07 for 7 pre-determinations while fetus is still in mother's womb: OM 32:07 translation: “when the human being still remains unborn in the mother’s womb, it’s determined for the fetus: it’s duration of life, kind of death, also it’s knowledge, what it will occupy or preoccupy itself with, it’s character, it’s intelligence, and it’s mode of life. OM 32:07 original German: “Noch wenn der Mensch ungeboren im Mutterliebe verweilt, bestimmt er sich seine Lebensdauer und seine Todesart, so aber auch sein Wissen, seine Beschäftigung, seinen Charakter, seine Intelligenz und seine Lebensweise.” *= note: in the following explanation to this verse, Billy writes much of this information is inherited genetically from the parents, which can affect duration of life, and kind of death: such as heart disease, which can lead to an early death of the affected human being. Inherited information RE: the pre- occupations, character, and mode of life are factors of impulses from the mother, results from the environment, and also results from the storage-banks that impulse through the subconsciousness (Unterbewusstsein). All of the 7 factors listed in OM 32:07 are passed on from the mother, and the environment as fruits of the mother’s womb, and also genetically inherited factors. The unconscious way of passing this on between mother, and unborn child results in the passed-on determination, and there are also new determinations after the birth of the child. *= note: see answered question from August 25, 2014 RE: the one way transmission of unconscious impulses during pregnancy from parents to the unborn child recipient to form the child’s basic character, educational character, and the self-educational character" ----- End PDF excerpts. ----- OM 32:07 translated by Corey Müske/copyright FIGU-BEAM Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 917 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thanks for your post 200, Corey. That is very interesting. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 797 Registered: 12-2011 |
Kenneth How can you have a reference to a unknown force. Even if I can produce a reference how on earth can you prove it. I did say that I will be shot down in flames. joe | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 212 Registered: 10-2016 |
Well, let's see if we can get the "overpopulation" thread to be one of the more popular threads of the FIGU-Forums. I'll start it off: Who here swore off having children? Post your reasons why. I swore off having children. I procreated one daughter, years before I found out about overpopulation, and when I found out about it, I said I was done with procreation for this life. I followed China's one child policy, even though I am an American (hehe). My daughter is on birth-control, and feels very strongly about not having children too early, and feels very strongly against overpopulation (and global warming) as a result of my upbringing. My influence was: there are OM verses about settling into your life first, and not having children too early in life before you are ready financially, etc, & FIGU recommended age limitations for child-bearing. ----- Overpopulation is the underlying dilemma for our terrestrial people. In the future, the Earth will claim revenge, and reach into our zone of comfort (false sense of security and normalcy) and wake, and shake us all up. It may not be all at once, but after a Caldera here, a volcano eruption there, it may increase in frequency for some time, and keep our people on our toes, until we learn to control volcanoes like contact #251 states. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Justinelombard Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 06-2016 |
Well I'm not sure about all day long but here is my view on overpopulation.. My story is that I too have adopted the one child policy which my mom reminded me of when I was pregnant with my boy.. Apparently I always said when I was growing up that I only wanted one child.. Not surprising coming from a family of four siblings So I suppose I had an intuition that breeding was not my destiny, that's why I put off having children until I was 34, but it was at that age that I got a bit broody, quickly found a husband and attempted to start an instant family by just adding water.. unfortunately that was not to be but I would not give up being a mom to my little boy for the world even though I found out about the drastic human over population problem after he was born I am not disappointed that I had him in the least, if anything having my child makes everything go down with a lot more giggles than without him (not a very responsible thought) I just now regard us and our story as a statistic of the disaster that is bringing children into the world and into a non conducive environment for them to truly flourish .. Interpersonal relationships between life partners, family, not so much restrictions but at least fundamentals that should be put in place before couples should be allowed to procreate .. procreation is far too easy in an environment where spiritual teaching is suppressed. Even though it is a personal decision and people can't be forced or coerced , I would like to see some campaigns supporting child free women / female lifestyle.. I'm not much of a good role model on that one unfortunately.. But I'm still hanging on to the idea that perhaps people will come around if they hear or see adverts for a child free life, or voluntary early sterilisation, not to believe the argument of you will regret not having children in later life, the realities are that we already need a 7 year birth stoppage an urgency which does not seem to suit the powers that be. I also wonder about what the future holds as far as the prophecies regarding how the earth will not be capable of sustaining endless human population increase just as infinite economic growth is a ludicrous thought and most definitely not possible and the two concepts are interlinked.. and as Billy describes, we are heading for a disaster or at least quite a few of them, from different angles.. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 772 Registered: 08-2010 |
I for one, was never of the opinion that people should have children for the sake of having them. I recognized, through observation, that certain people should never have had children ...they clearly had no clue about it nor did they "understand" children. Eventually it was evident they were not qualified to have children and did a lousy job. Then, after the culmination point in my life I discovered the Goblet Of The Truth and learned that there is a tremendous responsibility to child-bearing and child-rearing. The knowledge and the insights of the spiritual teaching must be provided to the masses, in a wise respectful to creational recommendations, to stir rational thoughts and understanding amongst all terrestrial humanity. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 341 Registered: 02-2010 |
Hey Corey, as for myself, Initially I wanted lots and lots of kids, because I came from a large family and basically I was "following" and assumed this was Normal. However on several occasions, I can remember having "nightmares" of dying during delivery. When I started to meditate at a young age, I realized how reckless it would have been to bring a child into this world. Growing up in a large family was "horrible" for me especially because it did not allow Me the Space to Grow properly via my Psyche and Consciousness. I had absolutely no privacy. I also felt "delayed" in my development according to the laws and recommendations because of a large family. My parents, IMO, were also delayed in their development as Human Beings, and got themselves "trapped" in this "false illusion" of responsibilities. Thankfully, I am childless. MsMichelle | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 263 Registered: 05-2004 |
I knew I never wanted to get married and have children when I was seventeen. My reason for this at the time was confused. As a Catholic, my brother, my sister and I were brought up to start a family of our own. That was the only lifestyle encouraged. Independence and individuality weren't even lifestyle options. It was just about family. Out of the three of us, I was the only one who didn't buy into it. When I look at the way my life has gone, I can't help but feel some regret about that. None of us ever made anything of ourselves. My brother and sister's only achievement was their family. But at least they have that. At some point in my twenties I realised the reason I didn't want to have children was because my parents did such a poor job of raising us, and I'm not referring just to the focus on family. It was a volatile marriage and an abusive environment, not to mention that both parents were emotionally immature and selfish. It was like being raised by children. I grew up believing that we were a close family. I eventually realised that the closeness I sensed was actually claustrophobia. The family was all that mattered. These were the real reasons why I didn't want to have children and get married. I later justified my reasons by convincing myself that the world was an ugly place and it would be selfish to bring a child into it. I have since acquired very strong views regarding child birth and marriage. I remember I used to hear it being said that having children was a right. No one ever seemed to question it. Everyone agreed. Childbirth was a human right. When you consider it from a natural perspective, how can you argue against it? But we're not animals, we're thinking human beings. It was clear to me that there were some people in the world who shouldn't be allowed to have children, never mind getting married. If these people shouldn't be allowed to have children on grounds of emotional immaturity, mental instability, and a lack of self-responsibility, then having children is not a right. It is a privilege. That might seem like an injustice to a great many people, but that's only because our perspective is focused on our own lives, what we want, how we feel; it isn't focused on the world, which is why we have an overpopulation problem. But here's the thing: as soon as we have children, though our focus is on ourselves, yet a child is outside that focus; a child is the world outside our own, but we ignore that. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 213 Registered: 10-2016 |
Great posts everyone!:-) I'll respond to each one individually as soon as I see if more people respond about their experiences. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 214 Registered: 10-2016 |
Justine, thanks for sharing your story. I like what you said that you had an intuition that breeding was not your destiny. You bring up two good further points: 1) Less overall couples should be having children through the enforcement of only a one-year period of approved couples having a child (there should be pre-requisites) once every 7 years. 2) People that have kids should not regret it, but should make the best of their situation rearing their little one with the characteristics of love, dignity, respect, honour, conscientiousness, honesty, good life-conduct, good work ethic, deference for all life forms & for the Creation, respect for the natural world, rear their child to look past money, title, prestige, etc, because there are so many selfish-unknowledgeable parents rearing their children without these important upbringings. Furthermore I think because of the prophecies, natural calamity that will claim human lives may show our people to take birth-control so much more seriously. So many people enjoy having sex, which is so very natural human behaviour, and good for one-self, but these same people are not using birth-control. Unplanned pregnancies are a large part of our overpopulation dilemma. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 215 Registered: 10-2016 |
Eddie, I think your observation that some people should not be having children is very correct. There should be pre-requisites. Your admonishment of realizing the levels of responsibility of child-bearing, and child-rearing was well done. When you stated " The knowledge and the insights of the spiritual teaching must be provided to the masses, in a wise respectful to creational recommendations, to stir rational thoughts and understanding amongst all terrestrial humanity." I agreed with you 100%. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 216 Registered: 10-2016 |
MsMichelle, Perhaps your dream was part of your foreordination of your childless destiny, from the effects of the cause of you being who you really are in this new-time, a childless woman. These dreams probably prevented much, as I agree it is almost reckless and cruel to bring a child into today's world. I mean you take the bad with the good, to bring a child into this Earth, that will likely have all these prophecies play out for the negative, but the good that one can rear their child in the fundamental principles of the spiritual teaching to carry the torch forward. I have a high degree of respect and reverence for childless women, and I agree with Justine that there should be more public recognition of people who wish to be childless, sterilized, etc. If more of the millions and billions of terrestrials wished to be childless at a young age like you did, we would not have such a pressing overpopulation problem that is an emergency situation. Large families do not give proper attention to the child from the parents, often accentuate the parent's inadequacies, leads to lack of privacy like you state, and other problems you are aware of. With increased population, this leads to increased criminality, with your line of work, you could probably vouch for this. As GOT 25:64 states, terrestrials have the imperious belief that they are equal to Creation. We will find out that in the future, cause and effect is more powerful then we are. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 217 Registered: 10-2016 |
Joseph_E, Your story was very compelling, my parents were emotionally volatile also, and they also had a volatile marriage and my biological father abandoned my mother when I was one year old, so I could not turn to him. My mother and step-father have matured substantially since then, but when I was a child, it was not a picnic. If more people just had feeling-based love in their families. I am of the same mind-set that child-bearing should be a privilege. What will change this overall terrestrial mentality from what it incorrectly is currently, that it is a right? Disaster? Learning experiences of cause and effect? Cause and effect depopulations? Do we need a complete revolution of our societal norms, a change in our civilization, and completely rearranging our law and order to introduce Federally mandated birth-control to reflect that child-bearing is a privilege? FIGU has recommended pre-requisites for child-bearing, minimum age requirements, have to prove you can financially care for the child, have to prove you do not have mental illness, or drug addiction, do not have tendency to belong to subversive groups, and that you are not prone to Gewalt. I also want to say that although you might not have the family your siblings do, but you have yourself, and you have this as a great accomplishment. :-) Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 799 Registered: 12-2011 |
Nothing new is said about overpopulation. We seem to be recycling the same old thoughts. You are never going to solve the overpopulation unless you educate the people. Third world countries are a problem, preach to them. joe | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 266 Registered: 05-2004 |
Corey, I don't think a disaster will change how people think about overpopulation. They won't make the connection and will only resume to overpopulate the world when it is over. I don't even think the great majority of people consider overpopulation to be a problem. And if they do, they're too focused on their own lives to care. Nobody wants to be told they can't have any children for seven years if they are thinking of having children, or that they can't have more than three children. That would be an infringement on their human rights. I think the only way overpopulation is going to be dealt with, initially, is by enforcing new laws. But such laws won't be made by our existing governments. The situation they're faced with now is that of the parents who have spoiled their children and allowed them to get away with everything. It's too late. You can't discipline spoilt children who have had years of doing what they want. They will only learn the hard way. A disaster may happen that will significantly decrease the population and out of this will new governments emerge: dictatorships to control the chaos created. But not even this will awaken people to the dangers of overpopulation because the natural reaction to being controlled is to revolt, and that's all they'll see. When they gain control of they're own destinies, they'll repeat the same mistakes, but by then many will hopefully have evolved enough to see the consequences of those mistakes. And that will be the great turning point in humanity. But I want to ask you this: What makes you different? Why do you see overpopulation as a problem when so many others don't? What have you experienced in your life to make you think differently? How did you learn the lesson that evades others? Perhaps the answer to solving overpopulation is in knowing the answers to those questions. | ||
Mait Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 05-2014 |
Votan, Actually rich countries are a bigger problem. Find out what is I = PAT equation. I would add some links for help but it is not allowed anymore. | ||
Carolyn Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 05-2017 |
Generally speaking, there's an awful lot of pressure put on women to marry and have children. Parents expect this and so do the men these women marry. Growing up in a Mennonite community in Southern Ontario, life was all about fulfilling this traditional female role. Of course, the Mennonites need offspring to run their farms and also to keep the community going, so it's especially important to them, that their children marry and have lots of kids. I would say that the average Mennonite household has between 3 to 6 children. The Catholics as well have the expectation that their children will have children. In fact, when Catholics marry they must promise to accept children lovingly from God and bring them up according to the laws of God and his Church. I have played for many Catholic marriages, and always shudder a bit at this part of the ceremony. In fact, Catholics are not supposed to have sex really unless there's a possibility of conception in the sexual act. All other kinds of sex are discouraged, as is the use of condoms and other non-invasive kinds of birth control (diaphrams, spermicides etc). The pill is also discouraged. The reason for this is that the Catholics believe that life begins at conception, so that even a fertilized egg is a "person" and the action of getting rid of that egg is akin to some kind of murder. Abortion of course is seen as the most heinous sin, for which a person can be dammed to hell forever. It is seen as similar to murder. Now, sometimes these rules aren't followed or enforced by the more liberal Catholics. But the strict Catholics are now more vocal than they ever were before about the evils of birth control and abortion. . . . which aren't really the same topic, but are treated the same way by the right wing of the Church. (I haven't heard any comments about whether vasectomies are allowed. . . . . no one talks about it!) Single women have a difficult time because men tend to look down on them and even harass them if they aren't "involved" with a man. As a single woman for many years, I can attest to this fact of Canadian society. I don't know what it would be like in another country because I haven't lived or worked in other countries. A single woman is relatively isolated, because her friends usually have a husband and kids, which are the center point of their lives. So it's harder to live this way, even in a modern society. You have to find things to do outside of work which don't involve people with 'families'. A time for every purpose under heaven | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 690 Registered: 04-2013 |
Carolyn, Very interesting. There is also another reason that the church is against birth control, which is never talked about. One of the main sources of monitory income for the church is tithing; the more Catholics, the larger the income. it's what keeps the church alive. Kenneth | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 10-2016 |
Joseph_E, I thought about what you said. Here are two sentences from Sfath's 1948 P & P's. My purpose of posting these two particular ones are to show you the scope of anticipated disaster (293), and the scope of how this will provide a learning experience for terrestrial humanity (297) according to the material. ~One can only wish that in the time of 297, Earth humankind starts to tackle the overpopulation crisis with the new-found return to the truth.. 293. The whole coming chaos and disaster in the coming times up to the second and third decade of the third millennium will still appear harmless in contrast to what the times after that will bring. 297. The whole will also extend to the Irish, Icelandic, and Western European coasts, and especially the low-lying British coasts, whereby the great upheavals will induce a large part of the humankind to turn away from the false belief in religions, sects, and an imaginary god in order to reflect on the return to reality and truth and to return with their thoughts and their consciousness to the knowledge of the natural-creational values. updated/corrected translation done by Matt Knight, with a little help from Dyson Devine, as indicated on MH blog. Salome/Corey Müske |
