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    Hugo Member Post Number: 417 Registered: 04-2015 |
Linda, Billy once said that we can often look to nature/animals to solve many of our own problems. Paraphrasing he said animals move out of areas where there is no food due to drought/deserts, meaning millions of people starving in those areas (Africa) should move out instead of the world constantly supplying them with aid food. Makes sense. But in our world with borders that is not possible unfortunately. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1305 Registered: 07-2009 |
I don't think Meier recommended that people who've overpopulated and destroyed their own sustenance should move to other areas, and take their uncorrected ways with them. Instead of massive "rescues" of people who've made such mistakes, as I recall, it's truly more compassionate to comfort the dying (instead of using extraordinary measures to prolong every life) and to teach the survivors about...birth control and proper management of resources, growing food - about self-responsibility. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 709 Registered: 04-2013 |
Linda, Regarding overpopulation, Hugo and Cpl bring up some good points. Animals have taken care of themselves for thousands of years without human interference. Animal’s instinct will aid them into moving to a more suitable location for food, water and shelter or natural protection. For illustration, if the Koalas (actually a Marsupial, not a bear) consumes all the eucalyptus leaves due to their overpopulation, then it appears that nature and natural selection takes over which is again a form of “Cause and Effect”. When humans interfere during a natural process (that was not originally cause by humans), that effectively disrupts the Koalas evolution process. For reference, examples of marsupials would be the kangaroos, wallabies, koalas, possums, opossums, wombats, Tasmanian devils, and the recently extinct Thylacinus. For example, when Koalas overpopulate, like any other animal, they will naturally produce fewer offspring and/or die off; maybe even adapt a different or additional food source. Most humans on the other hand, also have a cognitive or reasoning and thinking process to engineer or developing ways to get around this hardship of overpopulation by growing additional food subsistence and developing improved structures for surviving the elements. There is one group of human being that actually avoided over population and were in tune with nature and their instinct for the most part, which included migrating from season to season for food and shelter; were the American Indians. What Mait found out is disheartening; “there is no importance whether on Earth lives 7 or 9 or 12 billion people but important is only technology”. These people are blind and ignorant to the natural laws of Creation. Kenneth | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 809 Registered: 12-2011 |
Kenneth It will not be long before we solve the problems of hunger thru 3D printing process. It reminds me of Star Trek where they press a button and produce whatever food or drink they need. joe | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 361 Registered: 02-2010 |
I wonder what happen to that Planet which was severely Overpopulation which caused those of "Asian descent or yellow people" to travel to this planet? MsMichelle | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 249 Registered: 10-2016 |
(~Scott/Indi: accept this post instead of the other one in queue). ~Billy mentions the pathological craving for uncontrolled offspring (which leads to Ausartung and ever wilder overpopulation) in GOT 27:60 (page 488 German/page 489 English). I think this is a good summation of what is occurring in the current time, and nobody, except a few small handfuls of people, is trying to stop their pathological craving for uncontrolled offspring so they cannot hold back the disaster.~   ~Those that cannot control their pathological craving will initiate disaster for all! Those that control it control their destiny, and are an example for the entire planet's population. GOT 27:61 gives some good ideas to save it all.~ Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Hoota_thunk Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 06-2017 |
Salome Corey, To be totally honest, I would say that I am still at 27:59 (minus the following: you would – as scruplelessly as before – use your unintellect and your irrationality in a criticising wise against the truth, instead of considering it.) to a slight degree due to my disgust in the vast majority of my current fellow human beings; my bad, I know! But, fair dinkum, how many times has our prophet been ignored so far? The only thing that keeps me sane and striving is 27:62 - The Silent Revolution of Truth - | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 250 Registered: 10-2016 |
27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." ----- If we go under, may future Earth humanity ingest small morsels of truth from GOT 27:63-27:65's cause and effect information to bring about great change.~ ----- "Goblet of Truth" 27:62/translated officially by FIGU-Switzerland/copyright FIGU-BEAM (Creative Commons).  Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 363 Registered: 02-2010 |
To be honest our former personalities are responsible for this mess.... MsMichelle | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 933 Registered: 08-2004 |
I know what you mean Msmichelle, but I look at it his way: They created it, but they no longer exist so it's our responsibility to clean it up. It's like if some family members or visitors came to our house and trashed it, left and got killed in a car crash. They are not coming to fix the mess and no one can make them because they no longer exist. We have to clean it up ourselves. We wouldn't just leave the mess around saying, "I never did that so I'm not cleaning it up." Sometimes, in life, some people just leave us with work to do that we did not create. Sometimes, even when the untidy visitors are still present and offer to clean up we might say, "Don't worry about it. I'll clean that up." The question to keep in mind IMO is, "How can I best live my life?" and, "What's the best thing for me to do in this situation?" That's how we take responsibility for our lives. It works on many levels. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 251 Registered: 10-2016 |
~What will befall Europe and the United States will change our entire civilization's structure.~ :After will mankind learn to ration our descendants? I wish to leave this as a matter of record: "Fight the overpopulation! Rescue the Earth, life, plants, human-beings, and animals!" (Message edited by indi on June 30, 2017) Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 364 Registered: 02-2010 |
What is baffling to me, why many people are not correlating the problems on this planet to overpopulation, in other words, too many damn people.... I hear people complaining about the traffic ..I hear people complaining about the lack of space.. tearing down trees.. over building, destroying the infrastructure...yet, when I mention there are just too many people ...the answer I get: We must provide for these people no matter what... this delusion has to be ingrained somewhere in the brain and not allowing some too realize the destruction... also some see growth and development as a positive sign of a robust economy... Decline in joblessness....lower interest rates MsMichelle | ||
Mait Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 05-2014 |
A very good quote from Ed Begley Jr.: “I don’t understand why when we destroy something created by man we call it vandalism, but when we destroy something by nature we call it progress.” | ||
Justinelombard Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2016 |
MsMichelle, yes I also hear people complaining about the same things and when overpopulation is mentioned (by me) they go off on a tangent asking me if I want everyone killed (not very neutral positive) The problem lies in that the true details and facts of reincarnation are not known to them and therefore they can't let their minds expand to the point where they can think for themselves that they will have the glorious opportunity of life again in the future, just with a different personality and if population is humanely curbed through free will the quality of their next life will be so much better if they are born into a family with less siblings and more parental supervision and care. It is so simple and a great solution, but just try and raise the subject of reincarnation with someone complaining about the traffic... Then the realisation comes that they themselves are so stuck in this rat race life that they have not had one moment to contemplate their own existence or purpose and they automatically get angry and defensive. Then there is the myth of infinite economic growth... this unfortunate state of affairs is playing out in the world and is leading to huge environmental destruction. If we the people don't curb our materialism, false beliefs, UNknowledge and overpopulation crisis, then the natural world will do it for us, it is as simple as that. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 255 Registered: 10-2016 |
~In the future when there is calamity to clean-up after for a long time, sunken nations, earthquake rubble, nations destroyed by magma and caldera's, parts of the Earth that will be destroyed by the upcoming pole-shift, I think future generations will see how wasteful (and overpopulated) we were in our time. ~It will likely be a natural part of our evolutionary development to clean up after this disaster, and make use of future societal doings (demands) in a way that is a better (more logical) usage, with less overpopulated people because we can see how destructive it was looking backwards, even if this takes centuries. https://au.figu.org/content/Contact%20Conversation%20and%20Predictions%20of%20Sfath.pdf I'm convinced reading the German encoded-verses of the "Goblet of the Truth" not only affects one's consciousness, but I am certain this also directly affects one's spirit-form, and I am almost through my fourth re-read. Each progressive one gets better quality. It is my overall feeling, that it will be possible through cause and effect, that in my next incarnation, I am re-involved in the mission as an assister and a student, during future possible crisis. "Goblet of the Truth" is like the future in the present-time. His books are good, but "Goblet" is like a shining diamond of a book that is the core of the mission. The Earth owes BEAM serious favors for the time period of August 19th, 2007 to February 5th, 2008 for drafting this book for all the changes it will be responsible for in the future, through one person at a time that reads it, and starts to be affected and starts to live the teaching of the prophets. GOT verses that instruct on overpopulation: 2:100, 2:181, 2:367, 4:05, 4:224, 9:118, 23:103, 25:08, 27:60, 28:23, 28:404. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 258 Registered: 10-2016 |
 ~Procreation is precious because food (and water) is precious. According to Billy via James Moore, in 15 years from now, the oceans will be fished completely empty and this means over one billion Earth people will be losing their primary source of protein. In this life, I have enjoyed my food sources without overindulging. I try to savor morsels because in the future, food may become a precious commodity for the ones that come after us. Causal cause and effect will likely leave it's mark on Earth humanity for a long time to come. It's easy to ask now "how could we have been so stupid?", but in the future the future ones may ask this question more sternly, and want serious answers to the question. Other questions surface, if water is in short supply, how will rice be grown? If water is in short supply, how will livestock be fed grain? Will the Earth improve it's irrigation practices to conserve water? Will we produce genetically modified crops that will produce better yields in higher temperatures to counteract the 10% loss of grain-yield for every 1 degree Celsius atmospheric increase? Why couldn't we develop "meat-growing" practices sooner, so we would not have the Methane gas emissions of beef cattle? Will we ever develop food replicators? Would we appreciate this technology? Everyone is procreating as many children as possible to create their personal version of a nuclear family, and this is happening the world around in every nation. The bubble is bound to eventually burst, and people could realize they tried to create their personal version of a nuclear family because of a false sense of security. Farmers and the farming industry was given a task, to increase yields as much as possible, but these yields have peaked. Food and water supplies are a large crisis point of Earth living, glimpses into India's water shortage, and Syria (drought being the real reason for Syrian conflict) are like glimpses into the collective future if we are going to continue to be irrational about our population levels. Earth humanity has difficulty ingesting morsels of truth. People reject the idea of overpopulation during this era of pre-destruction. The concepts of the spiritual teaching are a way out, and the way of the future. Add some time, and we may see these crisis points develop further, and we may have no choice but to collectively consult the spiritual teaching and the recommendations for a way out (and the way back home to the roots of the natural). Salome/Corey Müske /"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 812 Registered: 12-2011 |
Corey There is plenty of water available under the crust. The scientists estimated that it id double the water on top including the oceans. We just have to bring it up , that is all. joe | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 799 Registered: 08-2010 |
Unfortunately, it is not enough to invent or develop solutions, including accessing the vast amount of water far beneath. As Corey has pointed out, unless the population explosion is not rationally put in check and moderated responsibly, accessing the water beneath, for example, will only lead to more irresponsible and continual disregard for the source of the illness of Earth current conditions. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 262 Registered: 10-2016 |
(Scott/Indi: accept this post instead of the other one waiting in queue. Thanks.) Votan (Joe): and you don't think bringing the water up will not induce earthquakes, sinkholes, and cause the Earth to further collapse from within? Isn't the water's job (if it exists) to be a natural "shock absorber" for the mantle, and the Earth's crust? Semjase gave this planet's populace a roadmap of what to do, with the 5 transmitted values of the 45th contact in 1976 which I summarize for you here, and will leave a link below where you can read lines 115-126 of the 45th contact that I translated. I am amazed that in 1976, the year I was born, Billy and Semjase were busy discussing matters of planetary importance that may not be verified until after illogical destruction happens in the future unfortunately. Virtually nobody anywhere is dealing with overpopulation. (Dealing with overpopulation is just one of the five values): Summary of the 45th Contact 03:04 am: 25th of Feburary, 1976 [*5] 1. An absolute halt-in-births be implemented to bring Earth humanity down to at least only one thousand-million in population (Instead of almost 9 thousand-million circa December 2016). 2. Immediate cessation of exploitation of the Earth (excessive mining, excessive oil drilling, etc.) 3. Stop (underground) nuclear tests, and stop testing "chain-reaction bombs". 4. Oversize Dams must be eliminated. 5. All nuclear power plants dismantled, and prevented in the future. ----- ----- ----- ----- ------ ----- ----- [*5] = Summary of 45th contact by Corey Müske. Copyright FIGU-BEAM (Age of Aquarius publishing). The full translation of the lines (115-126) pertinent to our present and our future, can be read here in this paper: http://theyflyblog.com/2016/07/07/using-the-worlds-military-forces-to-establish-peace/ Salome/Corey Müske /"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 274 Registered: 10-2016 |
"In an interconnected world, the decision to bear a child isn't only a personal matter, nor does it only pertain to one's moment. Won't even the wanted, cared-for children feel betrayed to discover (assuming that such thoughts are still thinkable in the future) that previous generations ignored the problem of overpopulation and dodged the difficult choices in favor of a comfortable, conventional existence whose price included migratory songbirds, large mammals, old-growth forests, and polar ice-shelves." -Stephanie Mills quote from the photo-book: "Overdevelopment, Overpopulation, Overshoot". ~In today's modern world, bearing a child is a critical decision that needs to be rationed, and a society should take this choice very gravely-seriously, not just procreate children without any leading-thoughts as one may have been taught by their parents. Unplanned pregnancies need to become a thing of the past, and One should give serious consideration for the upbringing of their child, so they can raise the child with a sense of honour, and deference for all life, deference for all races (and men and women are equivalence in equality = stand equal), and for deference for the life-force source of all life = the Creation (primal well-spring of life). These are not small things, and also raising the child to become a wise one (Weise) not to become a fool (Narr/Tor), and teach the child to overcome obstacles (difficulties) that they encounter on their path for the mastery of it, would be large milestones for the future of this planet. If possible, Upbringing in the German language (based on Old Lyran dialect ARJN[*]) and in the laws and recommendations of the Creation, the law of contrariness, the law of becoming and passing, causal law of cause and effect [and the power of interaction], and the 7 pillars of wisdom, the 7 pillars of the life, and the 12-leaders would also be desirable, and give the child a honourable head-start over his or her = peers and people, and assist to prepare them to be honourable and upright citizens of the Earth (good-bearing people of the Earth). ~Our social norms of having children need to change, and the mother's thoughts and feelings while pregnant will create impulses (for the unborn child) that one would want to be determinations of bearable-fruits of the teaching of the prophets for him or her. ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- [*] = ARJN is one of the 7 dialects of Old Lyran that were once active on the Earth (Terra). Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 275 Registered: 10-2016 |
Clarification: by instructing your child in German, I meant this in addition to whatever language(s) you speak as your own dialect: Russian, Chinese, English, an African language, French, etc.) Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 938 Registered: 08-2004 |
Corey, Do you know if ARJN is the language of the thousands-of-years-old scorched document given to Billy that mentioned "BIILI" together with the other prophets? Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 282 Registered: 10-2016 |
CPL (Chris), I don't know how to answer you and stay on topic. I'll try this: I don't know if the document was the Lyran ARJN dialect, but I know it was Old Lyran. If we weren't so overpopulated, untruthly, and were more in touch with our interstellar history (if there were not civilization-resets), our people could be like the Plejaren, who translate Billy's writings from German to ARJN. Maybe in the future.~ Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." |
