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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1288
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 08:27 am: | 
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There are numerous articles to info about Apophis and various governments, etc., linked from:
https://theyflyblog.com/2017/04/04/stunning-corroboration-billy-meier-ufo-case/ |
Cpl
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Post Number: 898
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2017 - 05:16 am: |
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Votan,
Bearing in mind that the Plejaren say only a close, but not too close, nuclear detonation is likely to work, precisely what earth technology are you thinking will be used to deflect it?
Chris
Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either.
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Sillyme
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 04-2017
| | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2017 - 06:53 am: |
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Only State actors have access to nuclear bombs at this point. Hopefully some of them (Russia, what's left of America, etc.) will fire off intercepting rockets in the early or mid 2020's, when they anticipate the timing to be right. Hopefully they realize that Apophis's terminal arrival would have detrimental impacts for everyone on Earth, including the scheming elite. Private companies don't have access to nuclear bombs, so if they are to address this, they must come up with other options. There are some radical non-nuclear ideas out there, but they ALL involve much research, crossed-fingers, and nearly overwhelming capital outlay. The nuclear option is by far the most cost-effective and sure. If governments can't be convinced (or won't be...) then we are likely screwed. So far, no one here will even look into it as long as the official word from the NASA office is that Apophis has a .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of hitting Earth. |
Votan
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Post Number: 738
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2017 - 01:42 pm: |
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Cpl
I have no idea, I am no scientist but plasma or the Tesla death ray would probably work.
joe
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Andrew_grimshaw
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 02-2017
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2017 - 02:06 am: |
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Do you want to borrow the Tesla death ray I have in my backyard?
- The Silent Revolution of Truth -
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Cpl
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Post Number: 899
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2017 - 03:05 am: |
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Votan,
Then your comment, "Apophis will not hit the earth" is a statement of sheer ignorance, because you admittedly say you "have no idea" how it could be deflected. The ability of Earth scientists to use plasma and a Tesla Death Ray, or any other unknown technology to deflect Apophis is just that: a complete unknown. With no hard data to back it up your comment is reduced to mere wishful thinking.
Chris
Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either.
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Votan
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Post Number: 739
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2017 - 01:52 pm: |
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Cpl
Of course there is no hard evidence of what Russia and America have in their arsenal.
joe
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Cpl
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Post Number: 900
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2017 - 06:33 am: |
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Votan, it would then have helped people here if you had said "IMO Apophis will not hit the earth" rather than stating it as a fact.
Chris
Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either.
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Daniel_7
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 07-2017
| | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2017 - 05:52 am: |
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Regarding an asteroid warning from the Plejaren, I take really a rather different approach and abreast a different philosophy than that of most other individuals. I think it is a good thing and good sacrificial offering of human life in hindsight of the dangers and in the progress of development if the Earth is in the near term struck by an asteroid within a naturally occurring framework. It places the reality on the road, radar and consciousness. The threat is real in any star system, the sooner the cognition becomes a feature of our technological evolution the longer we have to position ourselves accordingly, the activation requires the shock start to garner a suitable culture. My philosophy extends to sunburn, if the child is not severely burnt by the sun then the market for adult star lotion would not have formed, or the reality that our planet orbits a star for that matter, the cognition that stars are indeed hot or that the atmosphere exists, or that the co-ordinates of heat depends on its face.
I am saying a deadly asteroid impact is part of the package of evolution and I like the package of evolution, it allows us to assess the time in which we live. |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 305
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2017 - 09:27 am: |
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To quote Charles Dickens: "If they would rather die, then they had better do it and decrease the surplus population."
Daniel_7, the reason the Plejarens are doing nothing to prevent Apophis from hitting the Earth is so that we can take responsibility for ourselves, for our own world. The key word here is responsibility. There is nothing responsible about doing nothing and letting the asteroid hit Earth. I know that's not what you're saying, but don't be so sure that people will learn from such destruction. We learn by being responsible in our actions. Destruction can have a negative rather than a positive effect. And I would never call the annihilation of millions of people a sacrificial offering. That only shows how stupid we are as a race.
Apophis is a chance for us to wake up. But maybe the Plejarens have looked into the future and have seen that something good will come out of it should it strike Earth. |
Daniel_7
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 07-2017
| | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2017 - 10:25 am: |
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Joseph, as I said. However you are correct in identifying something I forgot to include in the final message I offered there. It is important that Apophis not strike something like a suburb of a Chinese City or an African town for example because that would be a waste of life as you say in terms of instigating that call to responsibility which I wrote about and you fed back to me. Making a fuss in the worlds current lingua franca language is important, so instead somewhere such as Switzerland would be more appropriate for Apophis.
Firstly the population it strikes must speak English for reporting purposes, grapevine effect and fuss in the mass media as I said, secondly be small enough in density to be considered a great loss even though the losses would be considerably less than somewhere such as a mega city, and thirdly be a greatly aggressively wealthy nation who will then fill the history books with accounts of the disaster and pass on the aggravation to their neighbouring nations and trading partners.
If an asteroid hits the jungles of Brazil then one see's the hypothetical bounding behind my robust philosophical system, there need be no revolution, no one around to take that 'self-responsibility' you are talking about, the individuals that are affected by apophis must be well educated and associate a very high value of life to themselves. I am just talking about the real sense of it.
Salome |
Corey
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Post Number: 300
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2017 - 06:01 pm: |
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From what I can tell, you are both correct.
Apophis is a chance for the Earth to deflect the meteor in unison (complete unison between all major nations), but if this does not occur due to Quetzal's words our "misguided disunity", then an admonition will occur. Whether something will be done with this possible future admonition remains to be seen, but one would think if a devastating meteor impact would happen, and millions of people would die in the "death-zone", one would think the sane people that survived would be very upset. There is another meteor strike warned about in the notes, I think it was over 7 centuries from now, one would think by then our descendants would have adequate planetary defenses (and people would know to listen to BEAM's warnings in a future wise this many centuries away.).
admonition: noun, act of admonishing.
admonishing: verb, to warn someone not to do something.
"And Still They Fly" (ASTF 2nd edition [*]) page 265: Quetzal: "You know very well that we are not permitted to stop this event. The cosmic forces themselves have programmed this event in advance, and it can only be stopped or warded off by the earth people themselves. In their materialistic and misguided disunity and in their delusions of grandeur, they disregard all warnings and prophecies, so this event will inevitably come to pass as a rebuke and retribution, if you wish to see it as such. And because this admonition and retribution must occur, we are not permitted to undertake any actions to ward off this event. Earth people should listen to your words and warnings, but that is precisely what they do not do. You are standing in a lost position, like a voice crying in the wilderness, and only a few are willing or shall be willing to listen to your words, to grasp them, think about them and learn to act in the right way. Therefore, those not listening will experience many deaths when the meteor does it's deadly work and creates a new continent on the earth through a violent earth gap, from which red-hot lava will gush forth, from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea."
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my thoughts: If Apophis strikes and millions of people die in the "death-zone", this will be a tragedy that will not have needed to happen. One can only surmise the future possible death (possible = if the meteor strikes) would generate a lot of people to be angry with NASA for saying Apophis is nothing to worry about. From what I can tell, Russia and China are two major countries who are supposedly putting plans in place to deflect this Meteor, and in Ptaah's words "the clock is ticking.". The Plejaren know our people's capabilities, which is maybe why they say to deflect it in "unison", but if Russia and China want to stand alone, we'll take what we can get.
I'm no scientist, but I roughly drew an area that could be affected, although one can only assume this area will be larger with a 350 meter meteor's impact, plus additional death-zone to the west (Europe).
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"And Still They Fly" did not provide any original German to this contact. Passage in quotations found on page 265/copyright the late core-group member Guido Moosebrugger (Steelmark Publishing).
Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
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27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen."
27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under."
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Votan
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Post Number: 818
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2017 - 12:20 pm: |
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Bill
No way. It is their duty to help us out. If not then why are they here.If I had the chance I would challenge them on this issue.
joe
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Daniel_7
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 07-2017
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2017 - 12:47 am: |
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Thank you most kindly Corey for taking the time to put that together, we enjoy reading your posts at this standard.
I feel like I am now wrong about something. My reasoning and logic basically dictated to me that this incy little asteroid would be nothing more than a little piff on the geography of the upper mantle and in terms of the scheme of time with almighty din in terms of noise lasting several whole minutes and on the social landscape as I said above in my previous post, part of the package of evolution. A measly 225 mile rectangular area, soon coated in luxury properties again after just 2 generations. However to cut a long story short this "Baltic Sea to the Black Sea" thing puts the trajectory lower with greater speed, propensity, changing its material composition, breaking up in the atmosphere, larger than expected and several thousand kilometres spread of terror with various other consequences.
Well worth sitting up about, thank you again for the information. But is this any business of the individuals of the Philippines? Zimbabwe? or Sri Lanka? I think not, then this admonition is defined to the working closely together by using the English language (lingua franca) for nations in Eastern Europe and Western Asia such as Russia but more importantly Poland, Romania, Moldova and Ukraine where its normal folk are better integrated into the world at general.
For me there is a lot of strange language used because there is a desire I feel, knowing Russian officials read Billy Meiers contacts, to shake them into involving themselves with the rest of the world because we need them, but for me I think FIGU would be more effective if they instead encouraged Russia to set up a "working-holiday-visa" type scheme in the same vein as Australia has done historically, open to the whole worlds young individuals. But its your game.
Salome |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 307
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2017 - 03:03 am: |
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Votan,
The Plejarens are in this instance acting like parents. As we know, parenting on Erra is completely different than how we do it on Earth; but some things we can relate to and understand. One of them is after warning our children not to behave in a certain way, we let them learn from their experience so that they can take responsibility for themselves. That is what the Plejarens are doing. It is not their duty to help us out just because they are wiser and more knowledgeable. Your parents were wiser and more knowledgeable when you were growing up: did you always listen to them? Did they never let you learn from experience, just to teach you a lesson? The Plejarens are here to guide the Earth human race. That is all. They are not here to interfere with our lives. Many of us on Earth need to understand what true guidance means. Each individual must learn to stand on his own two feet. The human race as one must learn to stand on its own two feet. We will learn nothing if the Plejarens help us out. We will continue along our destructive path and make the same mistakes, and we will expect the Plejarens to help us out again. An alcoholic must take responsibility for himself and acknowledge his faults. If you take the bottle away from him, just to help him out, he will get another bottle and learn nothing.
Life is hard, but then humans are stupid. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1320
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2017 - 07:48 am: |
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With Daniel's posts I get the feeling that this a very young person, with limited life experience, who trivializes the real nature of the foretold situation, giving it all the real consideration of someone playing a video game. |
Daniel_7
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 07-2017
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2017 - 11:23 am: |
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You make too many assumptions out of 10 posts that have been carefully written and no personal meeting with me Michael, but thank you for the consistency and the position you have taken in our community.
Salome. |
Votan
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Post Number: 819
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2017 - 12:11 pm: |
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Bill
I feel that this scenario is different. If cosmic forces determined this aggression then it is their duty to help us.
Has nothing to do with all the reasons you have stated.
joe
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1321
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2017 - 05:28 pm: |
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Daniel,
There are many, many people I haven't met whose thoughts, writings, etc., convey some position or other about which opinions are formed by me and other people as well.
You say your posts were carefully written and I thought that your expressions about the great loss of human life were very cavalier, flippant, blog, etc.
While I don't know your age, such comments didn't reflect a seasoned, mature view of life, and of the importance of each human life. Perhaps you would reflect on that impression that you conveyed, or at least that I received. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1322
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2017 - 05:33 pm: |
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Votan,
This may not be aggression, it may be the consequence of the law of cause and effect, I don't know.
But there is no...more obligation. They have already helped us because they warned us , we've confirmed it, and we have the technologies recommended to deflect it. We've perfected the use of such technologies against each other.
So now they've said to point it at the incoming object, or suffer the avoidable consequences. |
Daniel_7
Member
Post Number: 15
Registered: 07-2017
| | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2017 - 05:22 am: |
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I think you have missed something that the Plejaren have explained about physically going to the future and evolution etc. cavalier, flippant, blog etc are only your emotions and reactions alone, if shared not by everyone at every time. Looking at the same topic from many perspectives does require us to accept nature, life, death, the full package, emotionalism is fine, but not all the time, the Plejaren only know what they know due to examining everything, shifting the thoughts about and changing their perspectives. Normal behaviour no showmanship, dive into judgement. |
Votan
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Post Number: 820
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2017 - 03:41 pm: |
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Hi Michael
Thank you for that info, but do we have the technology yet.If we blow it up it will do more damage. It has to be deflected or vaporised.
In the end do they really want all that destruction brought upon us. It is not a matter of who right and who is wrong.
It is a matter of survival.
joe
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Daniel_7
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 07-2017
| | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2017 - 09:10 am: |
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If it does not hit earth for whatever reason, as you say using technology, lasers etc then there will be a missed lesson (more about economics and creating market demand actually) and later in time a much larger one may cause an actual survival situation, rather than as I said just a couple of hundred million, drop in the ocean, that many individuals die of old age every month, compared to an 'actual' survival situation. I think I have now made my position really quite clear on this subject with the several posts here, good luck with understanding why an asteroid impact is a good thing at this stage in history in particular. |
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