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Corey
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Post Number: 284
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 07:00 pm:

A glimpse into the future of effects of overpopulation [Die Wirkungen der Überbevölkerung]. The spiritual teaching people will have their hands full.~ According to a new (conservative) report:

~All African regions south of the Sahara could see crop yields decrease by 35%.

~Climate change will reduce global crop yields by 2% per decade for the rest of the century.

~India's Indo-Gangetic Plains, which produce 14-15% of the world's wheat could suffer significant reductions from climate-change induced heat stress, affecting about 200 million people.
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~Connect the dots for the illness of overpopulation that is responsible for the symptoms of climate change (overpopulation = cause of [responsible] = for the loss of crop yields).~

Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
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27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen."

27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under."

Cpl
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Post Number: 943
Registered: 08-2004

Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 10:33 pm:

Thanks, Corey. I guess we were not overpopulated when that language was in use.

Chris

Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.

Corey
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Post Number: 286
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Friday, July 07, 2017 - 12:02 pm:

~A poem about the illogicalness of overpopulation.

The massive, enroaching cog-wheel of overpopulation spreads it's massive spiky gears of overabundance to ensnare all of my people.

The newborn-industry reels from it's massive fortune, sealing the future destiny of future calamity.

Future people will only be able to say: "Before the collapse of destruction, for a brief-moment in time we created a lot of value for our shareholders".

The overabundance of people = will make the overabundance of food and water disappear into the desert.

All of Earth's beautiful forests, and precious animals and flora, will be a moment in history that has passed.

Earth mankind will have to fly to other planets to study precious life, that comes from the jewel of a life-source (the Creation), because the future Earth will have hardly any bearing life.

Arahat Athersata reveals there are "no half-ways", yet Earth mankind is not even going a quarter way to stop.

Norm
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Post Number: 149
Registered: 12-2016

Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2017 - 07:20 pm:

Amazing.

Awka — The Anambra State Director of the National Population Commission (NPC), Joachin Ulasi, has said that Nigeria is not over-populated in spite of its more than 180 million people.

Corey
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Post Number: 291
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 09:46 pm:

~Overpopulation effects will define our civilization, not our scientific achievements, nor our collective intelligence.

~It is the coming cause and effect sequences (and the resulting interactions [law of interaction]) that will define who we are as a people, all because we could not put our logicity (logicalness) together, and enforce birth-control for everyone. The parts of the future that are negative experiences, will be a direct result of our truth-unknowledgeness about overpopulation, and our illogicalness of perpetuating the overpopulation-bomb.

These will have to stand as learning experiences that must make our civilization if we are to survive the future of the next 200 years [contact 669].

We have no choice but to move forward in time, and we have made too many babies to turn back, we will have no choice but to embrace the future by turning to the natural; ie the oneness of the laws and recommendations of the Creation, which permeate all the existences, and universes with their fulfilling logicalness/:

~Cause and effect will be our true future master, and we will have to learn to be adept, and be swift to learn from this master, so we can be like water (like the Chinese Bruce Lee said about a qualified martial arts student) and move our society forward into the future by preventing as much destruction as possible, and learning how to survive by looking backwards, to change what is coming forwards to the positive..

The 28th chapter instructs much on changing effects to be in your favour (positive effects = positive interaction [law of interaction] = a good, fortunate destiny), and I will leave the following 3 verses to decipher, with 2 supplemental verses noted for further reading to the interested:

28:191 "Die ehernen Gesetze und Gebote der Schöpfung in all ihren Schöpfungen resp. in all ihrem Geschaffenen, in allen Geschöpfen und in allem Existenten überhaupt, durchziehen als umfassende Schwingungen das ganze Universum und alles, was darin existiert; und aus diesen gesetz- und gebotsmässigen Schwingungen resultieren auch die Wechselwirkungen, durch die ihr selbst euer Schicksal formt und bestimmt; daraus ergibt sich auch, dass ihr euch nicht wider die schöpferischen Gesetze und Gebote stellen könnt, ohne dass ihr dafür die Folgen gemäss Ursache und Wirkung tragen müsst, die ihr durch euer Handeln selbst bestimmt, auch wenn ihr das nicht wisst oder nicht begreifen wollt."

28:191 "The brazen laws and recommendations of the Creation in all its creations, i.e. in all its manifestations, in all created creations, and indeed in everything existent, run through, as all-embracing swinging waves, the whole universe and everything that exists therein; and resulting out of these law- and recommendation-based swinging waves are also the interactions through which you yourselves form and determine your destiny; it follows from this that you cannot set yourselves against the creational laws and recommendations without having to bear the consequences in accordance with cause and effect which you determine yourselves through your acting, even if you do not know or refuse to understand this."

28:192 "Die Wechselwirkung aus euren Gedanken und Gefühlen sowie aus eurem Wirken und Handeln ist unerbittlich und unverrückbar, so also stets alles auf euch zurückkommt, sei es nun Gutes oder Böses."

28:192 "The interaction out of your thoughts and feelings as well as out of your activity and deeds is inexorable and unmovable, so therefore everything always comes back to you, be it good or evil."

(note: inexorable = adjective = impossible to stop or prevent)

28:193: "Und so wie die Wechselwirkung, die euch trifft, von euch selbst erschaffen wird und ausgeht, so geht die Wahrheit und ihre Wirkung von der Schöpfung aus, und zwar durch ihre Gesetze und Gebote, denen alles Existente jeder Art eingeordnet ist; bedenkt, Ursache und Wirkung gehören immer zusammen, sind eins in sich allein und eins in Verbundenheit, folglich jeder Teil selbständige Handlungen vornehmen kann, jedoch in Zusammenarbeit als Verbindung im Ganzen eine Einheit ergeben."

28:193 "And just as the interaction that strikes you is created by and starts from yourselves, so the truth and its effect starts from the Creation, namely through its laws and recommendations in which everything existent of each kind is integrated; consider that cause and effect always belong together, they are one in themselves alone and one in connectedness, therefore each part can carry out autonomous deeds, but in co-operation as connection in the whole they result in a oneness."
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~We would be wise to study this oneness, see 28:194-28:195 for information on this [autonomous] oneness of natural law.

~I consider BEAM the prime living-human-source of instruction on cause and effect, and interaction, and (self-determined) = destiny, as the Nokodemion spirit-form spent 1.092 thousand-million (billion) years in the Arahat Athersata pure-spirit-level, and the 6th and 7th sub-level of this AA pure-spirit-level are the creation of causes, and the resulting effects that are produced in the material plane. To put it simply, we create the cause of overpopulation, and the effect-level of the Arahat Athersata, the Karanna-level determines the resulting effect of activity in the material plane as a simple, logical reaction.

~This is the backstory for the rule of terrestrial Physics known for a long-time: For every action is a resulting reaction.

* = "Goblet of the Truth" 28:191-28:193/translated by FIGU-Switzerland/copyright FIGU-BEAM (Creative Commons)/quoted material comes from BEAM's GOT, all the rest of material is my thoughts (formulated after studying for some years).~

Corey
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Post Number: 291
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 10:36 pm:

~For the continuance of our civilization, it behooves our civilization to drop our planetary birth-rates to below our planetary natural death-rates until we reach the natural normalcy of under a billion.

* 12 humans per square kilometer = 529 million total living terrestrials.

* 12 humans per square kilometer = everyone's quality of life will increase = also rebirths will be adequately spaced out.~

Kenneth
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Post Number: 728
Registered: 04-2013

Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2017 - 11:42 am:

"Regarding Overpopulation; Humans and Animals Born with Illnesses."

It's my understanding that Earth's over population causes many of the human spirit-form's to re-incarnate sooner than 1.52 years after death. This interferes with the OCB (Overall Consciousness Block); in lay prospective; it appears to be the deprogramming and reprogramming was maybe circumvented? We know that the spirit is not affected in any way. This apparently means that some humans are born with illnesses, such as; various retardation issues, allergies of all kinds, psychopathic problems, sociopathic issues, gender identification confusion, etc., etc.

Animals can have an overpopulation issue as well, due to human intervention. If I remember correctly, the Plejaren said that Earth's human population count is about 1 billion under-counted. So if the Earth has a population of ~8.46 billion as of 2016, we are overpopulated by 14.63 times, as the Earth should only have approximately 550 million human beings.

It's estimated that 60% of households have pets; . . . that would not be alive if it was not for humans. Consequently, dogs, cats and some other animal are experiencing overpopulation issues as well. This apparently develops into household pets that have various forms illnesses from birth or soon after developed, etc., which could also be due to the household environment?

Nonetheless, animal training services, animal behavior modifications, veterinarian clinics, veterinarian hospitals including pet cemetery services are exceedingly active. Humane societies and animal shelters are overpopulated with all kinds of animals that are euthanized by the hundreds to thousands weekly in today’s world.

Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 302
Registered: 05-2004

Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 01:20 am:

Kenneth,

Is it really your "understanding that Earth's over population causes many of the human spirit-form's to re-incarnate sooner than 1.52 years after death"? You didn't read this somewhere else, on The Future of Mankind website perhaps? You came to this knowledge through your own experience and effort?

Corey
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Post Number: 294
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 09:01 pm:

Kenneth,

Interesting article, I for one can agree with your sense of urgency. What you call deprogramming of the old personality (and consciousness-block) in the beyond takes only seconds to dissolve, it is the reprogramming of the new personality, and new consciousness-block for the next life that is cut short, and results in many people having confusions, not having their "feet on the ground" (he/she is having problems finding stability in life), prone to drug/alcohol addiction, not to mention the other disorders you listed, some of which are genetic. My take on this, for a genetic-disorder such as schizophrenia, as overpopulation leads to increased cases, because out of the increased totals of humans born daily, this leads to more people born who carry the schizophrenic gene, thus there are more diagnosed and undiagnosed cases as a direct result of overpopulation (schizophrenia used as an example that we can apply to other genetic disorders [research the logical law of intactness in the "Might of the Thoughts"]). As long as there is human overpopulation, our descendants will be plagued with higher percentages of disorders born among the populace (until we can find cures and congruently cease our overpopulation problems).

Earth humanities ability to not see the forest for the trees when it comes to overpopulation is astounding, so many of societies ills would be alleviated if we dropped our birth-rates to under our death-rates.

Since so many households are trying to create their own personal version of a nuclear family, and this includes either the addition of household domesticated dogs or cats, your article provided some good research into the problems of domesticated animals overpopulation problems that run parallel with human overpopulation.

To solve the issue, we need to collectively retrain the populace's breeding habits away from the source of the problem, that everybody on Earth makes a nuclear family, and replace their thinking with the solution of approved couples only can give birth, during a one-year cycle every 7th year. This is an emergency solution for a situation of emergency. At least people can be less concerned with the tradition of carrying on the family line via children, if they know their spirit-form will be reincarnated among the future generations, thus they (with a new personality) will still be a direct part of the coming future generations for tens of millions of years.

Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 651
Registered: 04-2011

Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 04:48 am:

Thank you, Corey and Kenneth.

There is, indeed, a connection of overpopulation with increased cases of many sicknesses:
If we think of the many superbugs that are on the rise - e.g. the (MRSA) Hospital "Superbug" (the Daily Mail reports an infection rate of 10%) - or the rise of the antibiotic-resistant form of gonorrhea:
As many more people mean many more infections the bugs develop a resistance against the agents that should destroy or protect against them.

Corey
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Post Number: 297
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2017 - 06:34 pm:

In the future those that come after us may come to terms with our propensity for the unreal such as: religion and sects, sports-worship, celebrity-worship, and propensity to war with those who are different to force ideologies on them, or to benefit the state. People may finally ask themselves "why wasn't I aware there was another way?", and all this change may be destruction-induced (from overpopulation).

Corey
Member

Post Number: 298
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2017 - 08:54 pm:

Thank you Bill (Tat_tvam_asi),

That is a good point you bring up about the superbugs = from overpopulation. I recently read an article on how (once) dormant diseases have been reawakening due to the melting of the Artic Permafrost. I surmised they were frozen in the ice, and are being released, which is verifiable by science, and a byproduct of our overpopulation crisis.

Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 304
Registered: 05-2004

Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2017 - 02:57 am:

OH, MY GOD! (Excuse the metaphor)

Corey, what in tarnation are you saying? You have used the wrong word to express what you mean. In your post 297 you are saying that we FIGU members have a tendency towards religion and sects, sports-worship, celebrity-worship, and towards war.

I know that's NOT what you mean, but that's what you're saying.

Corey
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Post Number: 299
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2017 - 08:56 am:

Joseph_E, Sorry about that, I of course meant "we" as in collectively, not towards my fellow FIGU members. I'll be more appropriate on how I phrase something in the future.

Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 306
Registered: 05-2004

Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2017 - 02:19 pm:

Corey, you misunderstand.

The word "Propensity" means to have a tendency to behave in a certain way. In your post you wrote: "with our propensity for the unreal such as: religion and sects, sports-worship, celebrity-worship, and propensity to war". What you are saying here is that we advocate religion, war, worship, etc. That is not our propensity. It is our disinclination, our indisposition, our averseness.

Daniel_7
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 07-2017

Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2017 - 12:00 pm:

Overpopulation as a social revolution additionally revolves around the way in which we value human life. Further evidence we are progressing through this revolution can be found in the way in which individuals react to claims made by others regarding themselves. Overpopulation is a sincerity revolution.

Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 308
Registered: 05-2004

Posted on Friday, July 28, 2017 - 03:06 am:

Daniel_7

You have some strange ideas. I'm not sure that I entirely agree with them.

Tat_tvam_asi
Member

Post Number: 652
Registered: 04-2011

Posted on Friday, July 28, 2017 - 04:04 am:

Hi Joseph,

All Earth people truly have a tendency/inclination/"propensity" to be aggressive (aggressive gene)...
And yes, they have a t/I/p to worship their respective perceptions of "superior beings" (idols, sports heroes, movie stars etc.)
So Corey is quite right to use the word propensity = tendency = inclination.

Re. the "we" -
I, too, often use the word "we" to express "all Earth humans":
The more we study the Spirit Teaching the more we realize our global or even universal oneness, the more we think "we".

Salome,

Bill

Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 309
Registered: 05-2004

Posted on Friday, July 28, 2017 - 09:50 am:

I was about to post another reply saying No! No! No! But then something stopped me and I saw my mistake.

It's funny how you can read something and interpret it from a different perspective. That's not unusual with me. I tend to be a bit Spock-like and interpret things literally.

My apologies Corey. I see what you're saying now. Thanks Tat.

Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 653
Registered: 04-2011

Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2017 - 07:47 am:

Excellent video of Sir D. Attenborough giving a speech on overpopulation - google for *):

"Sir David Attenborough speaks about population - Population Matters"

He mentions the fact that our world's highly lauded climate conferences do not address the fact the climate change is caused by the ever increasing human population.

"The destiny is in our hands ... whenever and wherever we speak of the environment add a few words that ensure the population element is not ignored ... if you are a member of an NGO invite them to acknowledge it, if you are a member of a church (esp. the C. C.) suggest that they consider the ethical issues involved... (the extinction of many species are they not warnings of an impending danger (a global catastrophe caused by human overpopulation) ... everyone of these social and environmental problems (mentioned in his speech) becomes more difficult and ultimately impossible to solve with ever more people..."

NB
Despite many general internet references re. his stand on overpopulation but none of them would dare to give any of the details he mentions...
(and there seems to be no pdf-file of his excellent RSA speech on the net, either)

*)
I do not want to create a "stir" but allowing hyperlinks for (scientific or historical =) non political topics would be very helpful.

Cpl
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Post Number: 953
Registered: 08-2004

Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2017 - 09:43 am:

I mentioned Attenborough's position to a group of my university students a couple of weeks back. They then decided to write a paper on overpopulation, and cited a paper by Camilo Mora in Ecology and Society. It's nothing too remarkable, but does call for a more serious look at the issue of overpopulation and why it has been sidelined.

A search here for "overpopulation" should bring up the pdf, which is a free download: https://www.ecologyandsociety.org/issues/search.php

Chris

Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.

Corey
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Post Number: 303
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2017 - 05:06 pm:

That's great Chris (Cpl) that you are reaching young developing minds about the serious issue(s) of overpopulation.

The only PDF I could find about "overpopulation" noted was a paper from 2014, that was fascinating, and referenced some fascinating literature, but I do not think this is the correct paper.

Corey
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Post Number: 304
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2017 - 05:19 pm:

Whenever I am out in public, and I see a person or a couple with very young children (usually several small children), I don't just say inside myself "look, there's someone who is adding to the overpopulation problem". I also tell myself "look, there's someone who is going to have to raise their growing young one(s) up in some trying times in the future".

I also tell myself "I hope the parent(s) understand and know how not to waver in the face of adversity" because the future will be very adversitous sooner or later. Lots of people know how to be strong in their own fundamental ways, while others may give up, and sadly take their own life in the face of overpopulation-induced adversity, which may have been forseen with the coming Suicide King.~

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