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    Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 654 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Corey and Chris, Yes, I, too, cannot find a pdf-file. BTW, most detailed among the videos an YouTube: The 1:15 hr. version from "People and Planet" - as this video shows as well the serious public discussion with Sir D. A. that followed his presentation. It will assist anyone discussing overpopulation. Salome, Bill | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 823 Registered: 12-2011 |
Corey There is nothing wrong with that scenario. Yes 2 children are good, but too much energy is spent on this subject. I am sure that there are more pressing issues like creation of money and wars. joe | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 306 Registered: 10-2016 |
Votan/Joe, Actually the reason so much energy is spent on this forum regarding overpopulation is: according to Billy, the Earth's most pressing problem is overpopulation. People on here realize that solving this one ill can alleviate much present (and future) problems that are conjoined to the matter, such as war, and the solution for war is gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit. As for money, according to contact 251 there will be several unsuccessful attempts to ban money in the future, so what can I say, get used to money for a long time unfortunately. Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 954 Registered: 08-2004 |
Corey and Billy are right about overpopulation being the most serious of all issues. Money, or who issues it and how, is a grave matter as it relates directly to our economic freedom and the destitution of countless people. The money issue, however, is not going to lead shortly to the world's destruction. Whereas, overpopulation can, and if left unchecked, will. As with Apophis, so with population: time is closing in on us critically. I give my university students a list of 15 serious environmental issues from which they are to choose one. They then write an academic paper and give an oral presentation on the one they choose. Each issue directly costs many lives every year. When I mention that there are scientists and others who think that the 15th -- overpopulation -- ultimately causes every one of the top 14, some students invariably decide to look at overpopulation. Students looking at the other issues usually realize they have to consider the tremendous impact the increasing global population has on their issue and their suggested attempts to solve the problem they have chosen to research. (They are instructed to look at the issue from a global cause, effect, and solution framework, to prevent the loss of even more countries and millions of more lives.) As Billy and many others have pointed out, our ever rising world population and its relentless desire for ever more limited resources of every kind are the primary cause of global warming and climate change to mention just one issue, which itself may cause many others. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 503 Registered: 07-2006 |
Chris, Not sure if you are aware of this... FIGU's Swiss-German website has an entire section dedicated to Overpopulation (in German): http://www.figu.org/ch/ueberbevoelkerung This entire section has been translated into US English with all its related topics at: https://creationaltruth.org/FIGU/Overpopulation.aspx Hope this helps Salome PatM | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 376 Registered: 02-2010 |
Chris..Great Job MsMichelle | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 824 Registered: 12-2011 |
Cpl Monetary system is one of the major causes of overpopulation. Just take time to think and digest. Why do countries like India and China have so many children. joe | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 449 Registered: 04-2015 |
Votan, China has had a one child policy for a very long time (36 years) and only recently is allowing two per family. That means most Chinese families have 1 child, maximum 2 now. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 955 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thank you, Pat. I wasn't aware of that. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 313 Registered: 10-2016 |
Salome Hoota-thunk, In reference to your recent post in "spiritual life in the everyday life" I thought I would list for you all the GOT verses I could find that reference overpopulation: 2:100, 2:181, 2:367, 4:05, 4:224, 9:118, 23:103, 25:08, 27:60, 28:23, 28:150-28:151, 28:159, 28:316, 28:319-28:322, 28:404, 28:501, 28:520, 28:534~ Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 341 Registered: 10-2016 |
When the arc of our destiny comes back to the planet, may we always remember the sudden urgency we will feel in the future to responsibly lower our population levels. The foundations of our entire society should be based on reasonable (rational) procreation, as well as, the fundamental principles taught by the "Goblet of the Truth" as the very nature of our precious society.~ Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 394 Registered: 02-2010 |
I'm sure we've all commented on this before but as a result of Overpopulation I've noticed the Standard of Food is becoming increasingly poor... The Food has lost flavoring, it smells funny and it's obviously that most of the fruits and vegetables are being picked way too Early and they are not properly Harvest.... due to my line of work, sometimes I just don't have the time to Cook a meal so when I do go out to eat at any local restaurant, in most cases I am extremely dissatisfied.... in my Yard, I am attempting to plant some fruits and vegetables and do the best I can to properly Harvest them in hopes of having available options to me, because the Future looks bleak when it comes to our Food supply MsMichelle | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1787 Registered: 07-2005 |
Msmichelle its the proverbial story that never ends. As the simple formula goes the more there are people existing on a finite planet with finite resources at the same time the more demand it places on the environment and the ecosystem the more destruction of faunal and floral life it will result and the more distruption it will cause to the balance of the foodchain and the whole gaiasystem. The more people or a dominant species there are existing at the same time the more of everything it will require to sustain them resulting in more pollution and toxic waste not to mention more destruction of the planet to house, feed, clothe, entertain, enrich and to kill one another because they just can't get along resulting in more reason to bring more people into this world to replace the dead ones in a never ending cannibalistic cycle. So out of this mad process which involves everything about us insane human beings comes the degradation of the quality of foods, produce and everything that we put in our mouths because the production of our foods are at the mercy of someone's need to make a quick buck or two hence why the nutritional value and taste of it is getting worse and worse each year and the varieties are also shrinking ever more. As Billy mentioned long time ago you can't get all the right nutritional value out of our produce foods because they are picked too quickly. Its a shame that the only thing we are getting more of in our foods as extra bonus to make up for dwindling nutritional value is more harmful pestcides, herbicides, roundup, fertilizers and other toxic chemicals. Everything that we do to produce our foods results in evermore diminishing return as the rate and the speed by which we must produce them accelerates to cater to the increasing mouths to feed as well as this noxious and very dangerous treatment of cooking food as entertainment and almost as some form of creative art. What these shallow cooking shows like masterchef that seemed to have popped up everywhere on TV for the past decade is that it has warped the concept of our relationship to food in such a way that even just for the convenient sakes people eat out much much more when they should be cooking their own meals to get the best benefit out of foods. This has resulted in more wastage of food than ever before and you get the Woolies effect where appearance alone is the sole arbitrary yardstick in whether a product is deemed acceptable for human consumption or not rather than the substance of it hence Woolies throwing as much food away each year as the vast population of Ethiopia would require to sustain themselves. What a shame | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 772 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Msmichelle, Growing your own food is an excellent choice; nonetheless, it’s always a good idea to have an emergency food supply on hand along with the proper amount of water for long storage. When the proverbial feces hits the fan, so to speak, water may not be available to irrigate your plants? Many in the FIGU community and elsewhere have completed this task, Wise Company, Inc. is one of many companies that provide this service. Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 395 Registered: 02-2010 |
And another observation is the situation involving Puerto Rico..... I've talked to those who left the island years ago and they agree... Puerto Rico Failed immensely and were Complacent regarding there infrastructure.... and they were totally unprepared... and some will agree, intentionally negligent.. nevertheless now we have to step in and move those people out of that Island..... in the future however this will be impossible due to our already massive Overpopulation and we all know that at some point in time those Islands( due to rising sea levels as well as massive overpopulation) are going to fall into the sea.... I definitely now see what the future holds for all of us just by observing what's happening in Puerto Rico... Comments? MsMichelle | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 349 Registered: 10-2016 |
To the governments of all the Earth: I think the governments and the people of Earth should plan a worst-case scenario operation just to be safe, because of our overpopulation problem that needs to be humanely reduced as soon as possible to prevent the worst catastrophes from happening, although some catastrophes are already locked in as predictions.~ Be highly respectful of food at all times until the time of the black sun. Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 350 Registered: 10-2016 |
MsMichelle, Billy once said there will be more then 250 million climate refugees, to put this large number in perspective the total (2016) number of population for the United States was 323.1 million. Not that far off (73.1 million), and even though there will be hundreds of millions of climate refugees (which will have it's own share of problems), I still think we are going to lose some people. You cited the lack of Puerto Rican infrastructure due to complacency, these people must suffer from a global dilemma, a false sense of security about the future due to lack of proper knowledge regarding the facts. Everyone around the world is procreating at will, without realizing the future will be affected, which brings about complacency in many forms. This is why we have to tell the truth to the people about overpopulation, and what it will bring in the future, but it has to be done in a way where everyone of the people of Earth will feel united to face the future, and stand united with a prohibition of births (even though they may not like what they hear) feeling positive and good about the whole thing (Federally mandated birth-control).~ We all share the same planet, as one people, and these disasters will strike at will anywhere on Earth, to anyone, and we will have to be ready as one people for anything. We opened pandora's box, so we have to be prepared to face the consequences, but it has to be done in a way that will bring beneficialness for the entire planetary population one day by setting in motion a prohibition of births of 7-year cycles. This is the absolute best thing for this planet's people.~ Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 775 Registered: 04-2013 |
Msmichelle, You are absolutely correct. Had the opportunity to visit Puerto Rico including many of the islands in the Lesser Antilles region, located North of South America, where the Caribbean Sea, North Atlantic Ocean and South Atlantic Oceans all come together. Most of these islands are overpopulated as well. Many buildings in these areas are built out of solid concrete, including a lot of residential homes; nonetheless, even these structures will be damaged in a category 5+ hurricane. That being said, there is an evident complacency in there infrastructures; that meaning various emergency services to include stockpiles of water and food were lacking. The local government could not help their people, everyone was on their own for survival. The French and Dutch governments sent in their military to keep order. This island was 37 square miles (95.83 sq. km.); today is it 34 sq. mi. The water would appear to be rising if the reported numbers are accurate? On the flipside, Puerto Rico is only 5,335 square miles in size; a little smaller than the state of Connecticut. Many of the other islands in the Antilles chain are smaller than 50 square miles (129.5 sq. km.). It appears that every one of these islands are immensely overpopulated to the point that they cannot support themselves without outside resources. For instance, the island of St Maarten has a population of around 78,000. That’s approximately 2,108 people per square mile (2.6 sq. km.) that live there. What is happening on these islands is a microcosm (encapsulating in miniature) of what will happen in the larger countries if overpopulation continues. Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 820 Registered: 08-2010 |
Msmichelle, Excellent point and observation. This is the reason why we have to shift away from stirring or instigating hate or anger on social media, etc. More importantly, it shows how important it is for people to arduously study the spiritual teaching to better understand cause & effect and how we impact society. Through personal development, hopefully sooner than later, the Spiritual Teaching People will need to prepare and effectuate the shift in thinking necessary amongst humanity. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 351 Registered: 10-2016 |
This should bring everyone up to speed: https://au.figu.org/sfath_predictions.html Whatever happens in the future, I am overcome with the feeling that we will have survivors with an incredible story to tell about the very foundations of our future society (to procreate wisely because of what natural catastrophes will teach us collectively. There will be casualties, but we are a [one] people [made of many great cultures] who will survive to lay the foundation stones of our future society. No matter what happens, never give up, and never take your own life [the future of this great planet is depending on you] because this violates a creational law).~ Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 354 Registered: 10-2016 |
The future is going to be difficult, but never give up, always move forward into the future with more wisdom that what you had the very moment before. This also applies to societal problems such as overpopulation that we will have to remedy (rectify/resolve/solve) in accordance with the 7-year cycles of the prohibition of births. It's our planet now, no longer the Bafath's, and the planet belongs to terrestrial humankind.~ Mankind will move forward amongst negative events such as natural catastrophes. Overcoming this may be easier said then done, such as when the American and German caldera's blow, or when volcanoes start destroying countries, or when nations disappear into the sea, this will be unimaginable devastation. We will have our hands full, and the public needs to be made aware of the situation, so they can start feeling the urgency of humane reduction in a way that does not set in panic, but brings out cooperation for respect for the law of Federally-mandated birth-control. We will also need a tight system of who gets approved for procreation fair to the ratio of countries around the world (but remember most countries are over the limit in the year 2017), but very strict, no alcoholism, no extremist groups, proof you can care for the child and provide a healthy upbringing, etc. It could take us a very long time to get down to 529 million, but I would like to see this resolved in 2 centuries. I would like to see all the effects of overpopulation, and all war, all terrorism, and major crimes solved/resolved/absolved/repelled well within the 200 year prophecy of contact 669 [the sooner the complete resolution the better it will be for the planet]. We may have to get tighter in our birth-approval process to get to the mark of 529 million faster because we could lose more of our arable land in the process as the years tick on by and we remain overpopulated. As the years tick on by in the future, we have to be prepared things may get more urgent as the effects play out. Mothers and fathers all love children, but some will have to wait their turn of a 1 year break in the 7-year cycle, and they may never get approved if we are tight, so some of these parents will have to reassign their paternal instinct-drives towards the small community of children from the sparse community of parents that was approved because they will never have children of their own, a sort of "it takes a whole village to raise a child" philosophy which will be a big societal change for most of the planet Earth (children will likely be more loved, from their parents as well as the entire community). Parents that are approved to have their child will have to get used to being the envy of the people (as good examples to their fellow human-beings to maintain law and order so they can be eligible for possible approval during a 1 year cycle of the 7-year cycles.).~ Overpopulation is a choice, we can choose to be overpopulated, or we can choose to reduce the numbers humanely in 7-year cycles. The choice is ours, and in the future nature will make her choice for us.~ If we leave humane population controls as a permanent foundation stone of our society, and we as a society always remember the marks (and effects) left on our people from cause and effect as a residual reason to remain humanely controlled in population, the people who will be reincarnating (experiencing rebirth) when we finally reach 529 million will have good lives, but they should remain respectful of why the safeguards were put into place. (although with over 120 billion spirit-forms in queue in the beyond [most of them inactive], I don't know how this will affect the rebirth cycle @ only 529 million living terrestrials, whether most of these billions in queue will remain inactive, or whether this will make the time in the beyond longer then the 1.52 rate. Example: great technological advancements will occur if we reach a life-span of 1000 years, we could possibly be in the beyond for much longer then 1500 years. Just think of all the changes that would occur on your planet during a time-span of well over 1,500 years of being unactive in the beyond. I know the natural "rate in the beyond process" has been disturbed by our overpopulation problem, I just do not know if it will re-equalize or not. The only thing I know for sure is Billy confirmed all of Earth's spirit-forms will reach the AA level.)~ As for the planet reaching 11 billion people, Billy says it takes a decade to add a billion people, so in 20 years we will reach 11 billion if we do not start the clock on the 7-year cycles soon which waiting causes it's own share of problems [billion = "thousand-million" in the Swiss large-scale numeric-system].~ Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 355 Registered: 10-2016 |
One more thing, child-raising is a serious responsibility for approved couples. The children born are bearing spirit-forms, and his or her consciousness needs to be looked after (and protected). For more on looking after children, see GOT 3:48 [Billy left complete instructions for all of mankind for all times in this book].~ Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 403 Registered: 02-2010 |
With the recent discussions regarding the law of elimination, several thoughts have popped into my head and I would love to have comments..... we are all learning this material together and it's great to have feedback Due to our overpopulation, personally I sense it has and it will degrade our Humanity Personally I sense we are considered the example as to whether I'll present population survives as a species What do I mean? We are not a guaranteed species due to the fact We have at least a 129 billion Spirit forms waiting to reincarnate into Personalities Therefore, if we continue to degrade and to degenerate.... it will cause our Humanity to plunge back until into the Medieval Times.... which will allow those other Spirit forms to reincarnate and take over and Wipeout are present population MsMichelle |
