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Patm
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Post Number: 531
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 - 08:28 am: | 
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Once we have technologically evolved enough to reverse the aging gene, every individual will be given a greater opportunity to consciousness-based develop further than we can now. Until them we as individuals (in our 100 year life/after-life cycles) and as Earth-humankind will be limited in our evolution. Hopefully by then we, Earth-humanity, will have evolved enough to correct our overpopulation (and all corresponding disastrous things) world-wide nightmare, or things will only get worse. Perhaps technologically we will not evolve to the point of correcting the aging gene until after we have corrected the overpopulation problem.???
Salome
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Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 361
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 - 10:22 am: |
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Msmichelle
What you’re saying doesn’t make any sense. It’s like you’re suggesting the 129 billion spirit forms (if that is a correct count) waiting to reincarnate into the world will reincarnate as something other than human.
All human civilisations that existed in the past, that exist now in the present and that will come to exist in the future are of the same species: the human race.
That there are spirit forms reincarnating on this planet indicates that we are a guaranteed species (from a spiritual perspective). If for some reason spirit forms aren’t able to reincarnate, lets say because humans have been completely eradicated, Earth would need to be repopulated by an extraterrestrial race or the spirit forms would have to emigrate to another planet with human life on it. I’m not sure if humans can re-evolve again on Earth. I don’t think we can.
The only problem with this is that those of us living now may not have a high enough evolution to reincarnate on an extraterrestrial populated Earth. But then again I don’t think a highly evolved extraterrestrial race could populate Earth because of Earth’s low evolution, so it would have to be a race of a similar evolution to our own, unless there is another way around it, which would allow for the more evolved spirit forms waiting to reincarnate to finally reincarnate on Earth. Is this what you mean?
Even if we are thrown back to another medieval age and the population is significantly reduced to allow for other spirit forms to reincarnate, those humans won’t “take over” and “wipe out” the current population but add to it. |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 404
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 - 02:47 pm: |
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Sorry for the typos
MsMichelle
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Cpl
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Post Number: 962
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2017 - 07:23 am: |
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Hi PatM,
Re your "Perhaps technologically we will not evolve to the point of correcting the aging gene until after we have corrected the overpopulation problem.???"
If we solve the aging gene problem first, it will inevitably vastly exacerbate our already disastrous overpopulation problem. It is just another reason why the overpopulation problem needs addressing immediately.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 405
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2017 - 08:43 pm: |
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Let me make some clear corrections to my post #403.... my point was...our current Spirit forms are not guaranteed to reincarnate on this planet..... there are approximately 129 billion Spirit forms waiting to the reincarnated on this planet and to the best of my knowledge we have no idea how advanced their Spirit levels are... am I correct?
So if we do not resolve our current massive overpopulation catastrophe perhaps the 129 billion Spirit forms waiting to be reincarnated on this planet May step in and take over and resolve it for Earth's Sake... I hope that makes sense
MsMichelle
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 406
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2017 - 09:01 pm: |
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Let me also make another clarification..... the 129 billion Spirit forms I speak of may be more or less increase or decrease based on the last readings from one of the contact notes..... so what I'm saying is our current 9 billion people on this planet could be replaced with any number of the 129 billion Spirit forms waiting to reincarnate..... and Our current We will go back into the jar, sort of speak and wait perhaps for eternity to reincarnate again on a suitable planet ....this of course is not a fact but it's something to consider
MsMichelle
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 687
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 03:29 am: |
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To Murder An Innocent Child Is Never Right
One point re. discussing our terrestrial overpopulation / aggressiveness
We usually blame human excesses/overpopulation/aggressiveness on illogic and/or irrational religions and/or human gene manipulation.
We may have as well discussed the notion of what religions call "original sin" - a term disguising the fact that the genetically modified humans, when they learned that they were to be exterminated, rose against their god-like "creator-overlords".
There may, however, be a further disposition for human overpopulation and human savageness.
When we study CR 251, we learn:
a) That the creators of the genetically modified human were as well their benefactors or "creator overlords “… the original genetic manipulators …in reality … were the benefactors of the genetically-altered people, hence they were their "creator-overlords".
b) And that these "creator-overlords" originated from two overpopulated planets in the Sirius region:
“… they were the benefactors who identified favourably with the genetically manipulated people, and they assisted them in their escape. Their origins are traced to two different overpopulated planets in the Sirius regions where everyone was prohibited from procreating. As a result, every child born was murdered and the offending parents were sterilized and banished…”
I interpret this, that most Earth humans are the descendants of Sirian “creator-overlords” from two overpopulated planets – and as such we carry their very ancient genetic disposition to overpopulation.
As for the genetic aggressiveness they implanted in their warrior slaves (the later Earth humans):
They may have only intensified a streak that was already in the genes they inherited from their parents (=the creator overlords).
Thus I conclude from Billy's account that they "murdered the children".
No Law of Creation would support the killing of an innocent child *).
Salome,
Bill
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I truly find it hard to describe the Earth human forefathers from Sirius as a “peace-loving and highly developed race”.
Yes, I can understand that a planet’s overpopulation demands drastic measures.
But to murder an innocent child is never right.
With all their wisdom and genetic expertise one wonders why they did not delay the fertility cycle.
Even if we were to accept a worst case scenario - i.e. sterilizing the offending parents why would there would be a need to banish them as well? –
Even if one (not me) were to advocate banishment:
Should the child then not be banished together with his parents rather than murdered?
And if the parents are banished why sterilize them as well?
I really question their logic. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 688
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 06:57 am: |
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Add on to my previous mail:
When we view the Chinese race of today – it is prone to overpopulation like their forefathers:
“…. 2,4 million years ago they emigrated to the Lyra Systems, namely to Nissan. The reason for their immigration was a horrendous overpopulation….”
Thus we may conclude re. a race that has been – for many generations - prone to overpopulation:
Their descendants may well have an urge to overpopulate again (“overpopulation is in their DNA”) - as may be the case with the "creator overlords" and their descendants (e.g. Earth humans). |
Votan
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Post Number: 852
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 01:59 pm: |
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Bill
I was under the impression that Nissan was of Japanese not Chinese.
joe
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Hugo
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Post Number: 468
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 05:33 pm: |
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Msmichelle, re - "our current Spirit forms are not guaranteed to reincarnate on this planet" , if I recall correctly Meier or P's said there are a number of spirit forms bound to this planet that never have and never will reincarnate here. Forgot the reason why. (Maybe something like they get free tag along or something?) If that is true then I gather it means the spirit forms that have reincarnated here will always continue to do so. And I think you probably know the only way our spirit forms can reincarnate on another planet is if we physically traveled and then died there or the whole planet blew up or something where Creation would send all spirit forms from this planet to the nearest other planet that does not have evolution above ours. |
Scott
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Post Number: 2750
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 06:01 pm: |
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Hugo, the reason that a percentage of the spirit forms will not incarnate on this planet currently is because the evolution is too high. There will always be a greater portion of higher evolved spirit forms incarnated to ensure the forward progress of life on this planet or any planet. That is not too say that the currently higher evolved spirit forms will use their higher knowledge in a positive/neutral way to benefit mankind. As the population continues to increase this will draw in "lower evolved" spirit forms to a point, but this also causes the currently incarnating spirit forms an early return which contributes to certain problems for them as well. There are no spirit forms incarnating now who haven't already incarnated at some point at an earlier time. This is how I understand the information. This all goes to illustrate, that overpopulation has many drawbacks, from destruction of the flora and fauna, to the effects of overcrowding to mental and emotional issues due to the unprocessed lessons from ones own life times. |
Votan
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Post Number: 853
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 08:28 pm: |
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Scott
I would have thought that Creation would have put in a contingency plan to over come the problem of reincarnation.
Why do Buddhists believe that we can come back as animals.Where on earth did they get that stupid idea.
joe
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 689
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 09:30 pm: |
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Hi Joe (Votan),
There certainly is a Japanese car manufacturer called Nissan!
But the planet Nisan (one "s") was occupied by both - Chinese and Japanese *)
Naturally, one may ask why did only the Chinese (not the Japanese) overpopulate?
I think that their geographical separation made them develop differently.
The Japanese adapted quicker to their new world, they build up a character that was willing to adopt to the culture and religions of more dominant countries (initially China then western countries).
The Chinese safeguarded their traditions more closely.
So it may not come as a surprise that the Japanese were more willing to accept economic, political, and social reforms aka western life styles (after 1853's US gunboat diplomacy to open Japanese ports and after WWII) that made the Japanese develop more readily into a western style environment.
The DNA of Chinese, developing more on the basis of their very ancient traditions, reflects much more their original conditionings.
Salome,
Bill
*) CR 236
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_236
197. The yellow peoples - the Chinese and the Japanese - are the youngest inhabitants of the Earth, because their appearance on this planet was only a little more than one cosmic age ago, and indeed, seemingly exactly 25,978 years ago.
197. Die gelben Völker der Chinesen und Japaner, die sind auf der Erde die jüngsten Bewohner, denn ihr Erscheinen auf diesem Planeten war erst vor etwas mehr als einem kosmischen Zeitalter, und zwar ziemlich genau vor 25,978 Jahren.
198. They came here from the planet NISSAN in the neighbourhood of LASAN in the Lyra system.
198. Sie kamen her vom Planeten NISSAN in der Nachbarschaft von LASAN in den Lyra-Systemen.
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200. They came to the Lyra system and to Nisan 2,400,000 years ago because they had to emigrate as a consequence of overpopulation.
200. Sie kamen vor 2,4 Millionen Jahren in die Lyrasysteme und nach Nisan, weil sie infolge Überbevölkerung emigrieren mussten. |
Votan
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Post Number: 854
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 11:32 pm: |
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Bill
Your reference reads Nissan and not Nisan.
Also you will find that the Japanese are more socially organised. Wheres the Chinese have more children to look after them in old age.
I noticed and asked when I visited China .
joe
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 407
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2017 - 08:17 am: |
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Does anyone know what happen to the planet NISSAN? Did this planet destroy itself due to overpopulation? Because I doubt this planet resolved their overpopulation, or maybe I'm wrong. If We knew this Answer, I think It would illustrate the importance of managing our population.
MsMichelle
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Scott
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Post Number: 2751
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2017 - 08:30 am: |
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Msmichelle, I think the same thing can be said for the planet Akart which also had severe problems due to overpopulation:http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Akart |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 364
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2017 - 08:58 am: |
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It's a tragic and terrible shame when the lessons we learn are at the expense of the planet we live on. I would rather humans become extinct than for Nature to be completely destroyed; after all, Nature evolved before humankind and made human life possible.
I hope the inhabitants of Akart are now being compelled to follow the laws and recommendations of Creation rather than being left to repeat the same mistakes on another planet. After all, habitable planets don't grow on trees. |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 408
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2017 - 09:24 am: |
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This is Powerful and thanks Scott for reminding me about this contact report.
77. The population of Akart however no more Exists since the year 2007, because in the only 32 years from 1975 to 2007 their total population had increased to 34 billion, when through their stupidity, like also is apparent with the terrestrial population, nature and the climate were completely destroyed, when, in the end, an oxygen collapse and an atmosphere collapse occurred, as you have described this. 77. Die Bevölkerung von Akart existiert jedoch seit dem Jahr 2007 nicht mehr, denn in den nur 32 Jahren ab 1975 bis 2007 hat sich die ‘Gesamtbevölkerung auf 34 Milliarden erhöht, wobei durch deren Unvernunft, wie sie auch bei der irdischen Bevölkerung in Erscheinung tritt, die Natur und das Klima völlig zerstört wurden, wodurch letztlich ein Sauerstoffkollaps und Atmosphärenkollaps erfolgte, wie du das nennst.
78. As a result all life was Wiped out on this planet.
MsMichelle
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Hugo
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Post Number: 469
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2017 - 05:20 pm: |
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Scott, why doesn't Creation send those low spirit forms here to another planet so they can incarnate? I thought that is what is supposed to happen. |
Votan
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Post Number: 855
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2017 - 09:46 pm: |
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Joseph
Once again may I remind everyone that until we get rid of religion and the current monetary system population will not slow down.
joe
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Cpl
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Post Number: 964
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2017 - 10:53 pm: |
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One thing Apophis will do if/when it impacts is ensure we do not go the way of Akart. This could be one reason why it is allowed to hit us: it will probably reduce our population by half or more. Its other effects will make it very difficult for survivors and also reduce the procreation rate as people struggle to survive and even to find food.
Creation follows universal law. One such law keeps spirits bound to the planet they live on and, once evolved, are responsible for. I would conclude that since the Arkart population destroyed their planet their spirits will now be roaming the universe trying to locate a suitable planet to live on, and try again. Such a process will probably take a long time. There is no spirit room here on earth for them.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 691
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2017 - 05:25 am: |
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Votan
(1)
I copied the passages (Nis(s)an with one and two "s) from the CR but the one with 2 "s" may be a typing error in the CR translation:
When you type the word "Nissan" (with 2 "s") in the "Search" textbox on the futureofmankind website it will open an entry headed "Star System Nisan" (one "s"):
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Nisan_star_system
(2)
I have been in close contact with both Japanese and Chinese people for decades and those are my impressions.
You have to e.g. witness the ritual of ancestor worship in Chinese families to see how sincerely they value their ancient traditions.
E.g. in southern China you will find many villages where 90 % of the populations emigrated to the cities or foreign countries, their village homes stand empty but they are kept in good order in honour of their ancestors.
The Japanese are more readily adaptive.
They have for a long time very successfully copied and improved the "habits/inventions/life styles" of other, more powerful nations.
E.g. their ancestor worship is an adaption of ancient Chinese customs, their Buddhism came to Japan from China.
And many of today's Japanese industries are based on western innovations which they readily "re-engineered" and not only perfected but greatly improved.
To do so, to (similar to the Japanese) open their mind to western life-styles and economics (Premier Deng), took the Chinese much longer.
But even today the traditional Chinese see themselves much more as a part of their nation and its traditional customs:
This is a deep part of their psyche.
Even the many Chinese that study or live in western countries are first Chinese, speak Chinese, read their "Chinese News" on WeChat and live with a Chinese frame of mind.
I know and understand their thinking - I have a heartfelt relation with many of them.
And may I say, their traditional thinking is more an incentive for a peaceful world than western greed:
(If you take a way the time when they were invaded and ruled by Mongols) For 2000 years - they had the power but did not "bully, kill, colonize and enslave" like western nations but kept to themselves.
And so they did to others so is done to them.
Indeed the greatest danger that I see for Chinese today is that they fall too quickly for the materialism and the excesses of western capitalism.
Bill |
Redbeard
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Post Number: 293
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2017 - 09:24 am: |
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Yes very sobering considering the current mentality of our planet. They (Akart) must not have been able to leave their solar system to find an inhabitable planet.
For most people it’s an uncomfortable topic to take away what they consider a right to have as many children as they feel like regardless of the numerous consequences!!!
I recently had this very conversation with someone I know. Every time we watch the news my wife says I know what you’re going to say, it’s because of over population. First she was calling me ebenezer Scrooge but now after many years she’s starting to see it.
Religious people have trouble with it (Christians), because of the gov’t control it would require. “The world gov’t fears that have been pumped in to their weak consciousness “
CR 251 gives mention to future control from the Syrius region of space that we will align with will prohibit births from those that are not genetically repaired with the penalty of death!!! |
