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Patm
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Post Number: 538
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2017 - 11:47 am: | 
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FYI,
my translation (which may contain errors):
from FIGU Bulletin 75:
Reader question
"If we consider today's overpopulation, is there today on the Earth (in this life) new spirit-forms in great number or amount?
-Michal Dvorak, Tschechien
Answer
No, there is the not. The Plejaren estimate that approximately 120 thousand millions spirit-forms are integrated into the reincarnation cycle of the Earth, which means that in the realm of the other world always wait a very great number of spirit-forms, which are already very much furthermore developed than new spirit-forms. The Earth is already beyond the stage, in which still pure new spirit-forms are able to incarnate on it. From the outset there are already a great many incarnated passed spirit-forms on the Earth. In addition it is also such that a great number of spirit-forms 'immigrated' to the Earth, because it happened occasionally that large amounts of immigrants from foreign planets died on the Earth and their spirit-forms have themselves integrated here into the cycle of the terrestrial human beings. Also in addition came still the spirit-forms of the former planet Malona, which had to seek a new homeland after its destruction. Because they were not very far ahead in their evolution of the earth-human being at that time, i.e., in for instance equal to far as these, also these spirit-forms regulated themselves into the cycle of the earth-human beings, which it means that on the Earth therefore also spirit-forms of the former planet Malona reincarnate.
Bernadette Brand, Switzerland"
Salome |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 365
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2017 - 12:43 pm: |
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Msmichelle, Hugo, Cpl
The link posted by Scott does say that 116 million Akartans were rescued and resettled on other worlds. The spirits of those that didn't survive may have been relocated to these worlds. |
Cpl
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Post Number: 965
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2017 - 05:40 pm: |
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Thank you Joseph-e. I don't think the Plejaren have the ability to relocate spirits. Maybe, however, these spirits will be able to relocate themselves to that world eventually.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 692
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2017 - 06:35 pm: |
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Apophis / Overpopulation
If the Apophis catastrophe does happen, it will certainly kill many Europeans.
It would thus greatly diminish the power of the rich nations in our world causing great peril for the poor and overpopulated countries in Africa / South America even if they are not directly hit by the comet.
It may be a temporary relief but I doubt whether it would stop Earth humans' drive towards an overpopulation catastrophe.
Yes, it may well be that Apophis is a strong warning for humanity to shelve their their greedy world domination plans.
To stop their bullying tactics and unite globally to combat truly urgent planetary issues.
Yes, it should strongly motivate humans to establish a very different world consciousness.
Not a world dominated by superiority but unity.
A world lead by more open-minded and globally thinking, world leaders and scientists.
A world whose MSM pinpoints / highlights / discusses the unfolding overpopulation catastrophe.
Their UN telling religions / politicians that it stands to reason to introduce binding (birth control) measures.
Yes such a change in our world consciousness would certainly be a powerful force:
As it would be in accord with the universal order / universal path of evolution it would give Earthlings the support of the all-powerful universal creative force, opening the minds of Earth scientists and leaders to not only combat overpopulation but simultaneously climate change and preventing Apophis.
But it is very doubtful whether such a consciousness will develop in such a short time.
We should as well not forget that a deadly spiral is developing from which there is no escape:
In the end it took only 32 years for Akart to grow from 23 to 34 billion people and succumb to an oxygen collapse.
Akart
Yes, the spirit forms of Akart people, being much more peaceful and technologically advanced than Earth humans today, would have to wait until Earth reaches a comparable technical / world peace standard *) before they could incarnate on our planet.
And yes, Joseph is quite right, it stands to reason that they re-incarnate on the same planet as those that were rescued.
Let us hope for them that those rescued see it as their main task to immediately introduce the right measures that a similar catastrophe does not recur on their new planet.
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According to A. Berlets real vision they were capable of interstellar flights, would have been able to clean our planet from nuclear radiation after a nuclear holocaust, had high beam weapons etc)
Some hyperlinks to previous discussions about the Akart topic and how it relates to our present:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13314.html#POST71079
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13826.html#POST76270
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13826.html#POST76297
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13834.html#POST76323
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/14824.html#POST78617 |
Hugo
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Post Number: 470
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2017 - 08:30 pm: |
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Joseph_emmanuel, yes I think it's very likely that the spirit forms that didn't get rescued from planet Akart would all be coming here to our already overpopulated world.
If I recall correctly the Meier material says that when Creation sends spirit forms to another planet (because planet dies like Akart) that it could take thousands to millions of years for them to travel to the nearest suitable spirit evolved planet because they do not travel at the speed of light. And Akart being only 5 light years away makes me wonder how long it will take for them to get here and also how many spirit forms will be bound to this planet in a number of decades. |
Scott
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Post Number: 2752
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2017 - 10:28 pm: |
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Tat_tvam_asi,
Please read post 1866 Questions to Billy, my question about Acart http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/10541.html#POST43357 |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2753
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2017 - 10:36 pm: |
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Hugo, due to the collapse of the atmosphere on Akart because of the overpopulation problem, it may be possible that the planet can regenerate its atmosphere at sometime in the distant future? |
Scott
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Post Number: 2754
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, October 23, 2017 - 12:10 am: |
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Without going to far off topic regarding overpopulation, it appears that Akart is no stranger to massive die off''s of its population. Here is a quote from a Passive Member regarding Akart in 2001: To put the topic of overpopulation into a different perspective, Ptaah mentioned to Billy not long ago about the overpopulation on a planet in the system of Alpha Centauri, Earth's closest neighbor 4.5 Light Years away.
The population of that human-inhabited planet, Akart, about the same size as Earth, suddenly swelled with 62 Billion refugees, who arrived on Akart as refugees from wars in their own home systems. The population of Akart went up to an unbelievable number of 126 billion. Naturally, the planet could not support such a gigantic number of people and a pestilence broke out.
In only 18 months, 124.5 billion people died. This was called the "Time of the Great Death". The planet today has a population of 1.26 Billion, about 1 % of what it was before 99% were decimated. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 693
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, October 23, 2017 - 02:24 am: |
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Thank you, Scott.
I want that the truth is spread.
So I kindly ask you to help me clarify what is true and what is not.
I know that Semjase confirmed in CR 35:133 (list of persons that had contact with extra-terrestrial intelligences though not all of them had a physical contact it incl. e.g. Einstein and A. Berlet) and in 35:134 and 177 that A. Berlets was a real vision meaning the pretension of a reality which for the person who has it seems to be real.
Though you mentioned many similarities between CR 35's and Wendells book -
1. Two men collecting grains and vegetables while visiting earth.
2. Mention of overpopulation on their planet
3. They drug themselves during space flight
4. Mention of a stopping over on a space platform (station) in mid-flight during their space flight
5. The name of their home planet being Akart/Acart
but - and so I understand what you wanted to express:
We really do not know what A. Berlets real vision truly was as Billy told you that Wendell Stevens book Contact from Akart is based on a hoax.
Is that what you wanted to tell me?
Thank you for your assistance.
Salome,
Bill
PS
The futureofmankind website only lists re. A. Berlet a short note similar to the one you received from "Q. To Billy".
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_141
(scroll to the bottom see foot note) |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 367
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 23, 2017 - 03:21 am: |
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Scott, and still, with just 1 % of what its population was before, it is overpopulated.
It seems that overpopulation of a species, whether human or animal, is a universal problem. The desire to procreate is rampant among all life. If it wasn't for the measures that the natural world takes to control the animal kingdom, it would all be out of control. Unfortunately for humans, we have no natural predators to keep our numbers down. It is up to us as thinking and reasoning human beings to take responsibility of our destiny, which we can only do correctly by allowing Creation to shine through us. |
Joe
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Post Number: 539
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, October 23, 2017 - 06:29 am: |
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"The population of that human-inhabited planet, Akart, about the same size as Earth, suddenly swelled with 62 Billion refugees, who arrived on Akart as refugees from wars in their own home systems. The population of Akart went up to an unbelievable number of 126 billion. Naturally, the planet could not support such a gigantic number of people and a pestilence broke out. "
Scott, that doesn't make sense because according to Ptaah in contact report 476 the planet Akart had an oxygen collapse and atmosphere collapse when the human population had reached 34 billion which is obviously nowhere near those figures you had posted. If the figures of 62 billion and 126 billion were true then Ptaah himself would have mentioned this in the contact report. But he didn't. Not only that but those figures that you've mentioned are also nowhere to be found in any of the contact reports!
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_476
Just because it came from a "FIGU passive member" doesn't necessarily mean that it's true. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2755
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, October 23, 2017 - 08:29 am: |
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Bill, I don't want to get off topic here too much. I was just referencing what Billy had stated to me regarding Berlet's book. I noticed that Contact 35 was removed from the FOM Website stating it was an extract of contact 31. If you like we could continue this conversation via the contact report topic area. Thanks |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2756
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, October 23, 2017 - 08:31 am: |
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Joe, I am attempting to reach the Passive Member I mentioned, to request the source of this information. This person has always been credible so I will let you know. |
Tat_tvam_asi
Member
Post Number: 694
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, October 23, 2017 - 05:07 pm: |
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Scott,
We should clarify the Akart questions.
Please continue the conversation at the correct section.
Thank you,
Bill |
Redbeard
Member
Post Number: 294
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2017 - 01:22 pm: |
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This is a excerpt of sfath talking to 5 year old billy, when i can develope his speakership then maybe more people will hear and comprehend the message!
6. You are already now wise for your age in a way that old human beings feel drawn to you, enjoy conversation with you and are astonished over the knowledge that is now already yours, thus they also often ask you for advice.
17. Truthfully, your words contain a vibration which testifies to a great inner power and which helps human beings.
18. Thereby, you are able to eliminate non-virtues and bad things, as well as strife and ignorance.
19. Because of this inner power, which also expresses your modesty and your honesty as well as your love for human beings, a great trust is also placed in you, to which you have already done justice since our acquaintance, and you are constantly making an effort to never impair or misuse it.
20. The value of your words and your virtues lies in the inspirational form in which you impart everything.
21. When you speak with human beings, then your words contain such a modest and honest power that they do not simply fade away unheeded, rather they are contemplated and the actual truth is sought in their meaning.
22. This contemplation of your words occurs in a meditative form. Then action also results accordingly. |
Corey
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Post Number: 360
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2017 - 04:55 pm: |
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Contact 669. For the next 200 years as the prophecies play out, Earth mankind will suffer a very difficult and evil time from war, terrorism, and food and water shortages from overpopulation. This last part gets me every time. Food and water shortages from overpopulation. 200 years long.
It is though a ghost from the future slapped me on the face, and doesn't let me stay silent like the rest of the forums about the truth. 200 years long. I wonder what will happen to my people: the Minnesotans? What will happen to my country-men/women: the Americans? What will happen to my people (who share my planet) the Africans, the Russians, the Chinese, the Europeans, what will happen to the Swiss? What about the South Americans, what will happen to them? What will happen to all 9 thousand-million (billion = short scale numeric system) who expect a full belly today? And expect their thirst to be quenched? Why did we have to procreate so damn many offspring (to take care of)?
If I could get one thing across to world governments it would be this: pass a birth prohibition with 7 year cycles. This will assure food and water can be spread around the next 200 years, and will ensure we can alter the prophecies and stave off death.
We have 3 very important missions the next 200 years, and a prohibition of births to get our population to under a oneness of a thousand-million (billion) people is just one of the 3 missions that will ensure the very survival of the human race.
Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
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27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten oder unterzugehen."
27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations or to go under."
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Corey
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Post Number: 361
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2017 - 04:16 pm: |
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The fragility of human-life,
When the natural disasters come, will we lose our humanness (humanness = ability to still be human)? When the German and American Caldera's blow, and when Italy will be destroyed by volcanic magma, which could bring about possibly millions of our fellow people who may die violently, will we lose our humanness, or will we still cherish human-life with renewed fervor because the disasters sickened us? Will world leaders tell the truth publicly that overpopulation is the true cause? When us and our people of the planet have to endure negative swing-backs from cause and effect, for a serious mistake of too high of population levels, and our landscape is forever altered, will we be altered to change, and will we still possess our ability to be human to one another?
Will we still be able to assist one another in times of future crisis, or will we turn our backs on one another, like two enemies (adversaries) do today, or will we overcome former grievences for the common good? Will these disasters affect the entire globe, and will we all be in the same outcome together, the outcome of the common people? Many of the fellow people do not seem to care about fellow human-life in the break-neck speeds of society today, but I think much of this is due to being uninformed about the real core issues pertaining to the future of the Earth, will we all come off our high-horses in times of crisis?
I don't think we will ever lose our ability to be human, but we will remain very fragile. How exactly does one prepare for the worst possible outcome for the worst possible situation (overpopulation)?
If we can overcome our nation's borders, by unifying in times of crisis, to pass legislation for a birth prohibition, this will lessen some of the damage. But prepare, as some of the damage is unavoidable, as we have waited to long [unavoidable since the 1970's], we will have to pay our dues as a planet for not following the good advices of BEAM. The question that remains is "will we learn a thing or two from the impending disasters (learn how to change)"?.
Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
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27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten oder unterzugehen."
27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations or to go under."
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Cpl
Member
Post Number: 970
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2017 - 07:46 pm: |
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Corey,
I couldn't agree more with your comment:
If I could get one thing across to world governments it would be this:
pass a birth prohibition with 7 year cycles. This will assure food and
water can be spread around the next 200 years, and will ensure we can
alter the prophecies and stave off death.
The problem is governments think and care most about economics and how wealthy their nation is or appears to be from the public viewpoint. They also know that reducing the population introduces economic recession or depression as fewer people being born results in fewer loans made by those fewer people (especially for big-ticket items like homes) resulting in less money created via the loans to buy those homes and other necessities, coupled with fewer businesses, growing unemployment, less production and so a heavily declining GDP. The resultant loss of wealth and emergent depression is how to throw hard times on the public and lose an election. A declining population induces depression, or at the very least recession and deflation so governments don't want to look at the idea of reducing population.
This threat of, if not actual depression is one reason why, despite the Japanese population falling continuously for the past 25+ years, the Japanese government wants desperately to increase the population to stimulate the economy. This is how governments in our world remain popular, and how politicians remain in power. In countries like Japan, they may see it as economic survival or the only chance to avoid economic collapse (the Japanese government currently has a one quadrillion yen or $9 trillion debt). These governments and politicians care deeply about the real problems they face now rather than what they would see as "hypothetical" problems the country or world may face in the future, and they are short-sighted because they only have power for 4 - 8 years and perceive themselves as needing their kudos and to create an upswing during their term of office now.
The question then is, how do we get them to look at overpopulation instead of economics with their eternal shortsightedness due to their short government terms?
In short, government policies are directly the opposite of what is needed, which is one reason why they ignore the overpopulation problem. What we are trying to convince them is that what they think is the cause of the problem (falling population, production, loss of wealth etc) is in fact the answer to their problem. Due to their short terms of power they do not buy it.
Fortunately, the Japanese government continually fails in its attempts to increase the birth rate -- or population -- here, and the populace continues to decline to ever slightly more reasonable levels, yet there is still a long way to go.
What is most disturbing is that it may take naturefs removal of governments -- that have doggedly shown themselves unwilling to change -- to solve this problem, unless they all go the way of Japan. Naturefs removal of governments (directly or indirectly) would or will, however, result in nationwide upheavals and very tough times for everyone -- precisely as Billy has prophesied.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Hugo
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Post Number: 479
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2017 - 10:52 pm: |
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Corey, I don't think the 200 year long food and water shortage will be worldwide. I'm guessing heavily overpopulated areas will be the main ones this applies too. The former American nation should be ok because it can grow it's own food instead of being world's bread basket....providing long term droughts don't happen there. |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 415
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2017 - 07:21 am: |
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Corey, you ask the Question, what will happen to the people due to Overpopulation?
IMO..based on my digesting of the Spiritual Teaching... We'll experience tremendous Deaths and Destruction right before our very Eyes.
We will Die and be Re-Born experiencing more and more Devastation. In order Words, We may not be effected directly but definitely In-directly via News Outlets , media, etc
Basically, War, Chaos, Destruction will be the Daily Occurrence. Some of us will have to Kill others in order to Defend their families, properties, etc
Take what is happening in Puerto Rico, some of those people are living as if it's 1800's...No Power, No food, No Water, No Communication with the outside World.
The tables will be turned towards the USA and other so-called Super Powers. It will be a Blood Bath to say the least.
MsMichelle
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Alice_7
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 08-2017
| | Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2017 - 12:13 pm: |
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Of course humanity will learn from the many foretold disasters, we precisely learn through experiencing the consequences of our actions. One thing to keep in mind though is that evolution happens in minute increments and it is possible that not every disaster will happen all at once, if I consider my experience at the moment, If it were not for the news and keeping a look out for clues and confirmation of the prophecies and predictions I doubt that I would have any knowledge of what is happening in the world such as the earthquakes and hurricanes that have happened this year, Not even a drastic drought in my very own country is effecting me, even though I have a few friends that claim to be suffering because of it. This may sound cruel and lacking in empathy but the natural disasters are natures way of curbing the population because humanity has not come to its senses. Instead of worrying how I will be effected I prefer to concentrate on how I can improve my own thoughts and sway them towards neutral positive and improve my own situation, through teaching my own children and their friends about the evils of over population I hope to become an old woman that survives all the disasters and is able to carry the knowledge of the teaching to ever younger and younger people so that they in turn can keep it going, and hopefully be reborn into homes where the teaching flourishes. I almost see it as our duty, we that study the teaching to survive everything that is foretold so that we can grow old in this manner and teach the young ones, because the old ones are so set in their ways and lost that it is useless talking to them. Also by teaching the young a sense of self responsibility will grow within them as opposed to expecting the greedy shortsighted leaders to impose laws restricting overbreeding. This is how we as humanity will assist one another and perpetuate ourselves through the coming disastrous times not withstanding that life as you say is very very fragile it can still be lived joyfully no matter what disasters we have to face. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 848
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2017 - 02:56 pm: |
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Alice_7
Very well said.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Hugo
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Post Number: 480
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2017 - 05:22 pm: |
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Cpl, business corporations are the ones that benefit most from continuing population increases. They are also the ones that control medias, governments, ect narrative and rules. |
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