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    Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1326 Registered: 07-2009 |
Daniel, Instead of contaminating the forum wiht your misguided idea about a "missed lesson" "why an asteroid impact is a good thing at this stage in history in particular" I suggest a serious study of the spiritual teaching. I also suggest that you don't rush to inform people about your, er, enlightened position and non-understanidng of the Meier material and the spiritual teaching. BTW, should Apophis be unstoppable, do you plan on positioning yourself in a place where you can be among the first to welcome it with open arms...instead of just a big open mouth, cheering on the destruction of others? | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 310 Registered: 05-2004 |
Daniel_7 No one here needs good luck with understanding why you think the way you do. The situation is quite simple: either the asteroid will strike Earth, which will be as a result of our governments not taking responsibility, or it will be deflected by our governments working together. There is nothing more to understand. The fact that you choose to see good in a direct hit suggests immaturity. Your reasoning lacks sympathy and empathy. Perhaps you think the people being killed in Syria or Iraq, or those dying of malnutrition in third world countries should be appreciative of their situation. Or perhaps you think those of us who aren't directly affected by these ungodly humanitarian conditions should be pleased they are contributing to the decrease in population, after all, as many individuals die of old age every month. I wonder if you would take the same attitude if apophis were to land outside your home, or if your family were to do their bit. The real lesson to be learned from this coming event is one of responsibility. If our governments come together, that is still a positive step forward. | ||
Justinelombard Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 06-2016 |
Hi Daniel, I am actually going to stand up for you after I read the replies to your comments because even though they sound harsh I also feel where you are coming from and would like to ask the question as to whether or not this topic was discussed when you were at the centre recently? (I must commend you for making the effort to go) It is a highly emotive subject because many people who are in the northern hemisphere specifically Europe must be very worried as to how an impact will affect them. Quite frankly I am not worried about it because firstly I am down south (even though I have no doubt it will effect us - the point of impact is said to be around the black sea) and secondly am taking life as it comes at the moment and thirdly I find myself agreeing with you that this long foretold impact will be a lesson to the earth's governments and regular folk too. You may be young but you are entitled to speak because lets face it none of the older generation (except the FIGU - as you have been taught in the comments you received) are actually looking after and teaching the young ones the appropriate amount of reverence for life that we all should have. | ||
Historeed Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 09-2008 |
How about we learn the lesson of how to deflect asteroids in order to prevent human suffering? Any other "lessons" would be learning from the stupidity of not listening to reason and taking the advice of a loving, more advanced civilization, the Plejaren. Matthew Reed | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 311 Registered: 05-2004 |
I don't know why some people here seem to think that should Apophis hit Earth our governments will learn from it. Our governments are likely well-informed of the danger Apophis poses. Should it hit Earth, it will be because they will allow it. I don't believe for one minute that government officials disregard what they are told by concerned scientists because they refuse to believe them. The information is there. If they disregard it, it is because they choose to for whatever political reasons. Maybe ordinary people will learn the harsh lessons to come from out of this, but our governments won't, and they will still be in control of the world. The only outcome you can expect from this is hostility and conflict. People will quickly forget what they have learned, and those in power will use it to their advantage because that is the kind of world we live in. If our attitude towards human life is indifferent now, our attitude towards learning a lesson of responsibility, under such circumstances, is going to be completely negligent. | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 374 Registered: 02-2010 |
IMO...The asteroid warning is no different than the prophecies and predictions given to us by BEAM and the P's.... sadly the only people who are concerned or listening are the handful of FIGU members and those studying the Spiritual Teaching.... therefore this will be a Lesson for future Generations to contemplate.... for a while BEAM's material will be Forklore just as Nostradamus is for the majority of the population today... We are just not there or Advanced enough in our Consciousness however We are there with our Technology MsMichelle | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 448 Registered: 04-2015 |
If the Plejaren said Apophis was going to hit the USA NASA would be saying it will hit earth and would be taking measures now to organize knocking it off with nukes. | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 822 Registered: 12-2011 |
Has there been a mention when it will hit the earth. I remember reading somewhere 2029. joe | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1841 Registered: 07-2005 |
Gee we've got 11 years for a possible strike with apophis and 17 years for the actual prophecised strike. Will Harry Lear's phenomenal calculation of the new Phi number plant the actual seed for scientists and astronomers to really get their big fat arse off their seats and organise a co ordinated taskforce with EU, Chinese, Russian and Japanese counterparts to send a warhead to divert the potentially destructive apophis or will it fall on deaf ears. Did the plejaren send impulses to Harry Lear for him to come up with the correct Phi calculation at this particular time based on their probability calculations and future time travel so that in several years time as more and more scientists and mathematicians start paying attention to his discoveries the more people who can actually do something about diverting Apophis come on board to finally do something constructive about apophis. Time will tell but my intuition tells me that something definite will be done before we reach the 12th hour. Thanks to Harry Lear, Michael Horn and many other Creatriots for disseminating this vital information to those bum stuck on seats specialist idiots addicted to grants and funding who may just get off. | ||
Pilasut Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 06-2015 |
Who discovered the true value of PI, Harry Lear or Collin Nicholas Saad aka Jain ? | ||
Hoota_thunk Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 07-2017 |
Salome Matt, Just so you know: Pi: the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter. Phi: The number approximately equal to 1.618033989... It is exactly equal to (1+√5)/2 The Golden Ratio is found when we divide a line into two parts so that: the longer part divided by the smaller part is also equal to the whole length divided by the longer part Andrew Grimshaw - The Silent Revolution Of Truth - | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 588 Registered: 07-2006 |
Regarding the corrected value of pi, see also: https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Periodicals/FIGUSignoftheTimes/2017/No077/ImportantInformationfortheCircleNumberPI-sec.pdf Salome PatM | ||
Hoota_thunk Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 07-2017 |
A Font problem. That should read: (1 + square root of 5) ÷ 2 Andrew Grimshaw - The Silent Revolution Of Truth - | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 829 Registered: 04-2013 |
Dr. Phil Plait said in one of his articles, “Impact Threat from Near-Earth Asteroid Apophis… ruled out.” Good news, everyone! New observations taken in the past few days have now ruled out an impact by the asteroid Apophis in 2036. Which is good, because it turns out to be even bigger than we thought. Apophis is an asteroid that orbits the Sun on a path that brings it near the Earth every seven years or so. It was discovered in 2004, and was quickly found to be potentially hazardous: Its orbit crossed the Earth’s, meaning it could impact us. At a size originally estimated at 250 meters—bigger than a battleship—an impact would be huge: it would generate a blast energy of roughly a gigaton, or a billion tons of TNT exploding. That’s 20 times bigger than the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated on Earth. So, yeah. It was taken seriously. Do not want this to be too long; there will be a follow up to Dr. Phil Plait's memo. Kenneth | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 830 Registered: 04-2013 |
Follow up letter to Dr. Plait: Note: This information was gleaned from Mr. Horn's recent published work. - - - - - - - - - February 18, 2018 Dear Mr. Plait, (Dr Phil Plait) Subject: Avoiding the Earth-Apophis Asteroid Crash on 4/13/2029 As you and many others have pointed out; it has been determined that asteroid Apophis is larger than previously determined. If Harry Lear (Pentagon, Assistant Chief of Staff Intelligence, Ret) is correct, NASA’s calculations for the trajectory of Asteroid 99942 (Apophis) using Pi = 3.141592654 is an incorrect value could be catastrophic. Recently Mr. Lear determined that the correct value to be Pi = 3.144605511. According to his calculations, using the corrected mathematic value of Pi, Apophis will hit Earth in 2029? Mr. Lear said: “Having recently discovered the true value of Pi = 4 / sqrt (Phi) = 3.144605511… , where Phi is the Golden Ratio number 1.618033989…, allow me to point out a few problems. Following is a comparison of Earth’s and Apophis’ near-circular orbits using Old Pi vs. using True Pi. As you know the circumference of a circle — Earth’s and Apophis’ orbits — is calculated by the simple equation C = d x Pi, where C is Circumference, d is the diameter of the orbit, and Pi is a universal constant. Using the old value of Pi, NASA is currently stating that Apophis will miss Earth on April 13, 2029, by only 32,000 km (18,000 miles). The Moon is some 385,000 km from Earth and 32,000 km is the level of our satellites above Earth. The difference between NASA’s erroneous calculations of the orbits of Earth and Apophis using the wrong value of Pi is significant: 901,434 km too short for Earth and 831,517 km too short for Apophis. If NASA’s current orbit calculations are already wrong by hundreds of thousands of kilometers, why should we believe that Apophis will miss planet Earth by a measly 32,000 km if we use the incorrect value of Pi? NASA is already off by 900,000 and over 800,000 km just for the basic calculations and we haven’t even mentioned other parameters that also use Pi such as gravity (centrifugal force) and centripetal inertia. The BIG QUESTION is: If NASA uses the new, true value of Pi = 3.144605511… instead of the old, erroneous value of Pi = 3.141592654…, would the trajectories of the new Earth and Apophis orbits still miss planet Earth by 32,000 km or would Apophis crash into Earth? Before suggesting a solution, allow me to put forth a few tidbits of information such as how big is Apophis and how fast is it travelling – therefore, how much energy is it carrying — through space? Apophis is estimated to be 375 meters wide, which is the size of 2 – 3 Rose Bowl Football Stadiums and its estimated speed is around 15,000 mph.” Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Pilasut Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 06-2015 |
Hi PatM, thanks for the link. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1346 Registered: 07-2009 |
> For some amusing ammunition, see my comments here on Plait’s blog, a few years ago: HI Michael, I had to remove your link, because the new guidelines published last June only allow FIGU Links. Thanks Scott (Message edited by scott on February 19, 2018) | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1842 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks for the info Andrew | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1843 Registered: 07-2005 |
Even 1 degree is significant over the course of long distance so Kenneth it means that they are 32,000 km off with the old pi calculations. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1350 Registered: 07-2009 |
Pi in the Sky https://theyflyblog.com/2018/03/10/pi-in-the-sky-2/ It’s time for scientists to come down to Earth to prevent unprecedented disaster ...and: And Will They Finally Listen? https://theyflyblog.com/?p=5546 The truth is rarely popular but a courageous Texan shows the stakes are too high to ignore it | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 790 Registered: 04-2011 |
Each moment is a moment of value creation – individually and universally. Each event we witness or face, it “presents itself”, that we take stock of our thinking and question whether/how we should modify it. The potential strike by Apophis is no exemption. As my post *) wanted to indicate – it should be an encouragement to replace egoism, greed and hate with co-operation, generosity and love. I know this sounds very idealistic. But in truth that is what “the danger of Apophis” is all about. To encourage our world to co-operate – then the catastrophe will be prevented. If mankind tries to bully/destroy each other - it will happen. Prophets may announce certain future events. But these predictions are only a means to an end. They should motivate their fellow humans to take note of a prophet’s teachings: To bring about a change in human thinking this is why prophets truly appear. Salome, Bill http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/1179.html#POST84524 According to EC those responsible for the catastrophic destruction of Atlantis are re-born in our time – 700 (out of the 1600 people he gave readings to) had an incarnation in Atlantis. “Be it true that there is the fact of re-incarnation and that the souls that once occupied (Atlantis) are entering the earth’ s sphere .. is it any wonder that – if they made such alterations in the affairs of the earth in their day (past incarnation), as to bring destruction upon themselves – if they are entering now, they might make many changes in the affairs of peoples in the present…” (Reading 364-1) We know it was the attack by Mu that caused the Atlantis inferno. But what we witness on the outside is only an echo to the “thinking on the inside”: The priest of Saďs told Solon that the time when Atlantis was destroyed was a time when “unrighteous power and avarice” ruled Atlantis… ^) I leave it to the reader to find similarities with our time … ^) … and that the god of gods (Zeus in Greek) saw that and wanted (Arus like) to inflict punishment on Atlantis. We may replace the “god of gods” with Creation telling humanity to find back to follow the laws of Sevenness – the first of which is love. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1853 Registered: 07-2005 |
Good one Bill That post of your above reminded me of the independence day moment. "Good morning. Good morning. In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world, and you will be launching the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind. Mankind, that word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can't be consumed by our petty differences any more. We will be united in our common interest. Perhaps it's fate that today is the 4th of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom. Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution, but from annihilation. We're fighting for our right to live, to exist�and should we win the day, the 4th of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice, 'We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on, we're going to survive.' Today we celebrate our independence day!" President Thomas Whitmore (bill pullman) July 4th, 1996 Independence day 1996. Matt lee | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 791 Registered: 04-2011 |
Testing the means that the Plejaren described as possible method to deflect asteroids? It seems NASA is finally waking up to the danger of asteroids hitting Earth. In its “Hammer (Hypervelocity Asteroid Mitigation Mission for Emergency Response)” project it targets asteroid “Bennu” (sphere like, diameter ca. 500 m, weight 79 billion kg (1600 times the weight of the “Titanic”), speed 101,000 km/h, energy of 80,000 Hiroshima bombs) which orbits sun in an elliptical orbit once every 1.2 years. It may hit Earth on Sep 25, 2035 (acc. to NASA there is a to 1:2700 chance). They want to send a 9m tall, 8000 kg missile (transported with a Delta IV Heavy) to the asteroid to distract it from its trajectory. The missile can be equipped with nuclear explosives. One major plan is to detonate the nuclear explosives close to “Bennu” to deflect its trajectory. This sounds very much what Ptaah who told Billy in CR 475 *) that "only nuclear explosions near the asteroid would produce a strong drift" .. Sadly the “fake news of our world” would never mention a word of Ptaah or Billy. But NASA's top echelon seems to study Billy’s CRs. They may even use HAMMER as a practice test for Apophis in 2029 and 2036 ... ----------------------- *) http://www.futureofmankind.info/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_475 ( (see Part 2) |
