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    Hoota_thunk Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 07-2017 |
Hugo, I should have said, " ...ACCIDENTALLY & UNKNOWINGLY, just happened to nudge a certain rock onto a new trajectory..." I recall reading about ones in the past not leaving enough space between them and heavenly bodies when entering hyperspace and pulling those bodies through hyperspace with them, only for them to be ejected from hyperspace at the destination point at a frightening speed and ... Andrew Grimshaw - The Quiet Revolution Of Truth - | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 872 Registered: 04-2011 |
Great posts, great discussion! THANK YOU Kenneth, Hugo, Andrew, Mat, Votan and MH. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 873 Registered: 04-2011 |
Why would Apophis hit Earth? 1. I, too, think it is the human consciousness that ignores the equalised-ness of all creation, and with it the veneration and equal respect of all living beings. Sectarian doctrines are like a bad virus, not only religiously but as well in the formation of the consciousness of people: Man is a miniature of his highest ideal. If a superior being is his role model so he will be. And so he tries to force his god-like superiority onto others, so he creates quarrels and wars. It is this anger (the thought of (being better, more right and) “looking down on others”) that has and will be the cause of all disunity, quarrels and wars. We live in a time when this hubris and the danger of economic collapses (Great Depression like) and wars as a consequence is brewing up a dangerous mix; similarities to the time before WW2 emerge: The build-up of nationalism and nuclear stock piles of major world powers and the mass- addiction to fake news and violent computer games preparing young minds from very early on to view life as “to kill or be killed”. Their search for “better combat weapons”, i.e. for “new, more catastrophic “unbeatable” weapons” reflects the very mind set that drives the global arms race. It is a dangerous mix because if a major war would eventuate the “kill and counter kill” would take on Atlantis – Mu proportions. THIS TO HAPPEN IS TO BE PREVENTED. THIS MAY BE ONE EXPLANATION. 2. The universal singing wave manifests the Laws of Sevenness which underlie the evolution of our universe. They are the guardians of the love, balance and equalised-ness that underlies all Creation. They are as well the guardians of the human growth mindset, the evolution of the human consciousness. One of the very fundamental Sevenness Laws is the law of Bipolarity *) or Law of Correlation. It says that all that exists is correlative, i.e. it is dependent on and needs a cosmic counterpart to exist (= it cannot exist by itself). I highlight this important law because in our time we witness both, the teaching of the truth by Billy and a massive build-up of deception and anger. And the more the true prophet teaches the truth and law of love and equality underlying all creation, the stronger the counter forces that develop like an antithesis. From these forces should develop a synthesis. But as of now it seems that the true prophet is widely disrespected and ridiculed: E.g. “Meier has been widely characterized as a fraud by sceptics …” (Wikipedia). As a consequence his teachings of truth, love and equality cannot bear any fruit. It may well be that, in order to enable a synthesis, the creative forces in our universe cannot but showing humanity a mirror, an event that makes them re-evaluate their motivations and thinking, their words and deeds. In CR 150:498-502 **) Quetzal warns that the cosmic powers have pre-programmed this event because Earth humans, in their materialistic and misled disunity and megalomania disregard all warnings and prophecies and only very few listen to Billy’s warnings, telling Billy: “Earth humanity should listen but that they just do not .. you stand alone like someone calling in the wilderness…” THIS THEN IS THE OTHER (AND perhaps EVEN MORE RELEVANT) REASON why Apophis is on its way … Salome, Bill *) http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/3693.html#POST12879 **) http://www.theyfly.com/Red_Meteor.html | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 459 Registered: 10-2016 |
Salome Bill, You make a pretty strong argument in the last paragraph of post #873 that the mission of the meteor is to get us Earthers to rethink our current mindset, and reevaluate our actions (collectively spoken). Well, we know that Billy's spirit-form was once a collective part of the Arahat Athersata pure-spirit-level. As we can glean from Scott's post 2856 the 6th Arahat Athersata sub-level and the 7th Arahat Athersata sub-level are respectively the cause and effect levels. Perhaps Billy is tied into the universe on a swinging-wave-based association of cosmic proportions we cannot imagine, and because Billy is ridiculed, and there is not acceptance of the spiritual teaching, nor is there fostering of peace, etc, on a worldwide level, plus our treatment of mother Earth (and overpopulation) and all around violations of the creational, natural laws and recommendations, plus the fact that Billy and his recommendations are not listened to by world governments, Apophis was indeed sent by the cosmic powers to get us to bethink the path we are on, and once again turn to the natural way of the laws and recommendations of the Creation (to bethink away from religion, and turn to the natural laws and recommendations of the Creation). Billy is a man of many talents, I wouldn't put it past him to be connected to the universe in some swinging-wave-based association of cosmic proportions. When I read GoT it is my overall general feeling this is the case, and sometimes it is as though I am reading information in GoT that comes directly from the center of the universe itself, one of the many talents of being 7th and final prophet truth-bringer of Earth. It'll be centuries before our planet's folk are able to understand all the universal implications of the man Billy Eduard Albert Meier, it's as though he is tied directly into cause and effect itself somehow as a human being that is a living embodiment of creational law, I fear if he is ever assassinated, we will have worse then Apophis to deal with, due to causality, the results of a Billy Meier assassination would be catastrophic, so quit trying to stop him, keep him alive and protect him, even if in secret. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/4224.html?1538524413 Scroll down a wee bit for Scott's post 2856. In closing, the Plejaren have said that the admonishment from Apophis must happen, they are not allowed to interfere, and if this meteor is indeed a (cause and effect) message for our planet to relearn the natural then so be it, but let's deflect it anyway. I would remind everyone here though this meteor will induce disaster of the highest magnitude, and it is sent to us from what we can tell for violations of the laws and recommendations of the Creation. Let's discover collectively what those laws and recommendations of the Creation are exactly. Perhaps it is time for vast, positive changes of the highest magnitude for the Earth, in cooperation with world governments for following the FIGU recommendations before it is too late, not just because of Apophis, world war, prophecies that could turn into predictions, if this meteor is to bethink our planet's destiny, then let's deflect it, and sign multi-national peace treaties to cooperate for the next 200 years (2 full centuries of collective international cooperation in the interest of peace and discovery), pass a birthstop, pass gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit, pass a banishment system, short-circuit religion, short-circuit the prophecies, and alter the destiny of this blue planet for the next 200 years to the good-bearing. Any nation can set aside any argument it may have with another nation for 200 years, no? Almost any nation can agree to endure our planetary purification of the next 200 years of overpopulation effects, no? Almost any nation can agree to banish prisoners (and rehabilitate the good ones) over the next 2 centuries, no? Almost any nation can agree to combine our militaries for 2 centuries, no? In 200 years, our planet can vote to stay on the path of the laws and recommendations of the Creation, and spend the next many centuries of years in peace, love, freedom, harmony, knowledge, and wisdom. Or is that too much for you to consider, to be multi-generational? Salome, Corey Müske. -"Kelch der Wahrheit"/"Goblet of the Truth" ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 22:08: " Werdet ihr Menschen vom Unglück verfolgt und könnt ihr euer Leben nicht so harmonisch gestalten, wie ihr das gerne möchtet, dann vermögt ihr dies zu ändern, wenn ihr euch dem Einklang der kosmischen Ordnung und damit den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwendet und sie befolgt." 22:08: "If you human beings are pursued by the unfortune and are unable to form your lives as harmoniously as you would like, then you are able to change this if you turn to the consonance of the cosmic regulation and therefore to the creational laws and recommendations, and follow them." | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 883 Registered: 12-2011 |
Corey I am a little confused. If we divert Apophis what will it prove to humanity, will we be better people after that,I do not think so. But on the other hand we learn the hard way thru extreme hardship to evaluate the way we treat mother Earth. Earth and every part of the Universe is spiritually a part of us. As was explained thru cause and effect if we upset it it will retaliate and fix it. joe | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 598 Registered: 04-2015 |
Corey, I don't think you need to worry about Billy ever being assassinated because I remember reading somewhere in the contact reports that when Billy dies he will pass away quickly which will come as a shock to those around him - core 49. But I can't remember where in the notes I read that. I looked briefly but couldn't find it. The only thing I found was this below which kind of suggests that too - Semjase: 33. Surely, you know, how and at what point in time, you will depart from all others unexpectedly and unassumingly from the worldly living area, and you know it is not allowed to be spoken about this. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_72 | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 915 Registered: 04-2013 |
Votan, You said, “As was explained thru cause and effect if we upset it it will retaliate and fix it.” Not sure what you mean by “retaliation”? Don’t recall reading anything about retaliation in the descriptions of Cause and Effect? How does this apply to 99942 Apophis? The word “Retaliation” has a hint of religious and/or military expression. 99942 Apophis or Creation has absolutely nothing to do with retaliation, retribution, revenge, vengeance, etc. If a person puts their hand on an energized electrical terminal, the shock experienced is not electrical retaliation, or retaliation from Creation for that matter. It’s my understanding that “Cause and Effect” determines these situations and events. Asteroid Apophis is a perfect example. If Earthlings do not take the proper action, there will be a major Effect. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 461 Registered: 10-2016 |
Dearest Kenneth and the A-team (Apophis team), Have you had any correspondence with retired US Senator from Colorado's 2nd congressional district Mark Udall? In 2008 he directed NASA to track Apophis and develop its own plan to protect the Earth from this threat. He was defeated in a reelection bid in 2014. I shared an article on Apophis on my Facebook wall, and this article references Udall. This article states "that NASA estimated if Apophis did indeed strike the Earth, it could potentially cause a massive explosion (or churn up a huge tsunami) that could possible kill millions of people." On a positive note, the article also cites the head of Russia's space agency: Anatoly Perminov "says that he wants Russia to send a specially designed spacecraft to knock the large Apophis asteroid off a potential collision course with the Earth. Not implementing a plan while we still have the time will be absolutely disastrous for humanity according to Perminov. In fact, Perminov says that he is convinced that the 885 foot wide asteroid 'will surely collide with the Earth in the 2030's'." "Perminov envisions that NASA, the European space agency and the Chinese space agency will all work together to eliminate the threat that Apophis poses". At this time I cannot post a link to this article due to forum regulations and directives regarding non-FIGU links. Salome, Corey Müske. -"Kelch der Wahrheit"/"Goblet of the Truth" ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 22:08: " Werdet ihr Menschen vom Unglück verfolgt und könnt ihr euer Leben nicht so harmonisch gestalten, wie ihr das gerne möchtet, dann vermögt ihr dies zu ändern, wenn ihr euch dem Einklang der kosmischen Ordnung und damit den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwendet und sie befolgt." 22:08: "If you human beings are pursued by the unfortune and are unable to form your lives as harmoniously as you would like, then you are able to change this if you turn to the consonance of the cosmic regulation and therefore to the creational laws and recommendations, and follow them." | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 461 Registered: 10-2016 |
Votan (Joe), Do not worry. We will have enough changes due to overpopulation to become better collective people and each one of us can have his or her admonishment to listen to Billy Eduard Albert Meier. Besides, if Apophis is not diverted, or if we manage to divert it's trajectory a little bit, so it doesn't strike mainland Europe, but instead crashes down into a "big pond" like the Petale pure-spirit-level transmitted to Billy, the EMP pulse could knock out worldwide electrical grids and push our planet's nuclear power stations into "mini-Chernobyls". Plus the ensuing large Tsunamis from the explosion rushing onto the low coastal areas could kill millions of people, plus all the other effects someone like Kenneth could list, but this "big pond" strike could be a better alternative to a direct mainland Europe strike that would affect Europe, north Africa and parts of the Middle East, Western Russia, etc to the detriment and create a new continent and a "wall of death" that will spread eastward, plus the same EMP pulse and "mini-Chernobyls", probably billions of casualties, and knocking us back into the stone age (power grids, orbital satellites, etc) for a few years.. Either way, we could be in for a very bad time for the next 2 centuries, and in our successive lifetimes (those bearing our reincarnating spirit-form) over the duration we would be re-experiencing tragedy and admonishments. Perhaps we will see that the Petale pure-spirit-level really did transmit and see the future.  Salome, Corey Müske. -"Kelch der Wahrheit"/"Goblet of the Truth" ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 22:08: " Werdet ihr Menschen vom Unglück verfolgt und könnt ihr euer Leben nicht so harmonisch gestalten, wie ihr das gerne möchtet, dann vermögt ihr dies zu ändern, wenn ihr euch dem Einklang der kosmischen Ordnung und damit den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwendet und sie befolgt." 22:08: "If you human beings are pursued by the unfortune and are unable to form your lives as harmoniously as you would like, then you are able to change this if you turn to the consonance of the cosmic regulation and therefore to the creational laws and recommendations, and follow them." | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 916 Registered: 04-2013 |
Corey, That’s a good question; I’ll forward your question to the Apophis Team (A-Team) regarding retired US senator Mark Udall and respond back to the FIGU forum. As you may know, it appears that NASA could be stuck on the old ~4,000 year old Pi number of 3.141592654… instead of the corrected and updated Pi number of 3.144605511… as calculated (worked out) by team member Mr. Harry Lear. There has been a lot of activity on Mr. Lear’s website regarding the corrected Pi. He indicated that this does not appear to be the general public? It’s very possible that NASA (and the like) is now aware of the corrected Pi calculation but does not want to admit that they have been using the wrong Pi number since the inception of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration founded back in 1958? That would look back for their administration and maybe funding as well? The A-Team will not be sending the corrected Pi information to Mr. Anatoly Perminov, the head of Russia's space agency as that could very well be seen in the wrong light by the U.S.? Nonetheless, it’s my understanding that certain Russian officials do in fact read Billy’s material and who knows, maybe the FIGU forum as well? Salome Kenneth  | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 916 Registered: 04-2013 |
Corey, I’d say that you’re correct on all accounts. When looking at Dutchsinse’s web site, folks can see how the impact of 99942 Apophis will affect every tectonic plate on planet Earth and set off multiple volcanos across the globe as well. Not sure how much of an Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) would be generated with a frequency that interacts with electronic and electrical systems? It’s my understanding that an asteroid impact does generate a certain amount of an energy pulse, but it would appear to be mostly kinetic energy converted into heat due to the impact? That’s a good topic for thought; if 99942 Apophis was iron (conductive) passing through Earth’s magnetically charged flux fields. . . Interesting. Attached is a picture of a block of aluminum this is impacted with a half-inch piece of plastic at 15,000 mph (~24,136 km/h), which is claimed to be the same speed of 99942 Apophis. . . Food for thought. Kenneth  | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 462 Registered: 10-2016 |
Kenneth, I see, as a result of your visual diagram I can now visualize Europe, northern Africa, parts of the Middle East, and western Russia, etc, will be a great big hole from the devastating impact. A full deflection would be optimum, a full deflection via nuclear explosion would have to be precise with the meteor travelling at an estimated 15,000 mph (~24,136 km/h). I can only imagine if we fail the "death-missile" impact will affect all of the Earth's tectonic plates, and set off quite a few volcanoes. Maybe this is what the poem means by "Mountains, they crash and life, it dies;", or perhaps it is referencing a great wave of Tsunamis because it could crash down in a "big pond". We have to try and deflect the Red Meteor, and if we fail, then perhaps we have to try and alter it's strike trajectory. This cause and effect scenario was sent to us through universal causality for our treatment of mother Earth, and our disregard of a truth-announcer, etc, and if we fail to deflect it, it will be devastating, just read the poem. My observation is that Sfath's '48 predictions earned by time-jumps do not say "Europe will be one great big hole", so this leads me to the deduction of maybe it's deflected, and maybe it crashes down in a "big pond" like the poem says, which will present it's own share of problems. Perhaps we will pass the test, and perhaps we will fail but perhaps we can minimize casualties and devastationary effects. We can endure when we are put to the test, but we may have to also endure some devastation as a result of this megalith.. there is truly a lot at stake, and a lot at jeopardy. Salome, Corey Müske. -"Kelch der Wahrheit"/"Goblet of the Truth" ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 22:08: " Werdet ihr Menschen vom Unglück verfolgt und könnt ihr euer Leben nicht so harmonisch gestalten, wie ihr das gerne möchtet, dann vermögt ihr dies zu ändern, wenn ihr euch dem Einklang der kosmischen Ordnung und damit den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwendet und sie befolgt." 22:08: "If you human beings are pursued by the unfortune and are unable to form your lives as harmoniously as you would like, then you are able to change this if you turn to the consonance of the cosmic regulation and therefore to the creational laws and recommendations, and follow them." | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 463 Registered: 10-2016 |
Eastward ("wall of death") should have stated Westward. Corey Müske (Mueske) Red Wing, MN USA Salome, Corey Müske. -"Kelch der Wahrheit"/"Goblet of the Truth" ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 22:08: " Werdet ihr Menschen vom Unglück verfolgt und könnt ihr euer Leben nicht so harmonisch gestalten, wie ihr das gerne möchtet, dann vermögt ihr dies zu ändern, wenn ihr euch dem Einklang der kosmischen Ordnung und damit den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwendet und sie befolgt." 22:08: "If you human beings are pursued by the unfortune and are unable to form your lives as harmoniously as you would like, then you are able to change this if you turn to the consonance of the cosmic regulation and therefore to the creational laws and recommendations, and follow them." | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1022 Registered: 08-2004 |
The Imperial College London has a website where you can input details and receive output on the impact effects of the asteroid size of your choice,including the effects at any distance of your choice. It might be useful for European residents to check out. Because links are not allowed, the easiest way to do this is probably to go to the killerasteroids organization website, click on the red link "Google earth impact" link at the top of the page. This takes you to a page with a red "this impact calculator" which clicked takes you to the Imperial College page for "Earth Impact Effects Program" where you can very easily input the data. Hope that's not too complicated to follow. I input an approximate Apophis size 325 m diameter asteroid at 3,000 kg/m3, velocity 17 km sec. impacting at 45% into sedimentary rock. It said the earth's orbit is not shifted noticeably, meaning it is slightly -- about 5/100 of a degree. The final crater would be 5.26 km in diameter and about 488 m deep. Seismic effect at 500 km away is a magnitude 6.8 on the Richter scale. The sound at that distance is 63 dB and glass windows may shatter. If it hits in central Europe I guess that's the minimal effects for most of Europe. If Apophis is mostly iron, as I think it might be, the effects are more severe. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 916 Registered: 04-2013 |
Corey, A few points to ponder regarding the Asteroid Warning. You said, “I see, as a result of your visual diagram I can now visualize Europe, northern Africa, parts of the Middle East, and western Russia, etc, will be a great big hole from the devastating impact.” My understanding is that there will initially be a big hole, but the Apophis strike also creates a new continent due to the asteroid penetrating the Eurasian Tectonic Plate into Earth Magma. Another contemplation; let’s say that the Red Meteor (Apophis) is successfully moved off the course of striking Earth and heads into deep space. . . Then . . . what will effectively change on Earth, pertaining to the disregard of the “truth-announcer” and Earthlings not following the laws of Creation, etc., etc.? We know that the “Red Meteor” is on a strike path to Earth due to Cause and Effect of some category. The prediction of the Red Meteor; the actions of some, and the inactions of others will go down in recorded history, one way or another. Others have mentioned in so many words that Earth possible necessitates a cleansing. Is this 800 year duration into the future possibly the length of time it will take to recover from the 99942 Apophis strike? All kinds of Cause and Effects stacked on top of one another here. Your reference to the crashing down of the Red Meteor from the poem onto the “big pond”. You could be correct about the meteor impacting the ocean. Nonetheless, poems are nebulous (vague) in a way; the “Big Pond” could also be referring to a planet as viewed from outer space that is over 70% water? Kenneth | ||
Hoota_thunk Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 07-2017 |
I'm looking forward to the creation of a new continent and the resultant new sea-side property for the elite to spend their hard earned cashola on!  Andrew Grimshaw - The Quiet Revolution Of Truth - | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1023 Registered: 08-2004 |
Kenneth and Corey, The "big pond" could also be a literal big pond in Europe. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 917 Registered: 04-2013 |
Chris, Good point, the Black sea is located more within the Eurasian Plate (continents of Europe & Asia) than the North Sea. 99942 Apophis would more than likely vaporize the Black sea with a direct strike. Kenneth  | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 464 Registered: 10-2016 |
Kenneth and Chris, You both brought up some good points. Salome, and kind regards, Corey Müske (Mueske) Red Wing, MN USA Salome, Corey Müske. -"Kelch der Wahrheit"/"Goblet of the Truth" ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 22:08: " Werdet ihr Menschen vom Unglück verfolgt und könnt ihr euer Leben nicht so harmonisch gestalten, wie ihr das gerne möchtet, dann vermögt ihr dies zu ändern, wenn ihr euch dem Einklang der kosmischen Ordnung und damit den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwendet und sie befolgt." 22:08: "If you human beings are pursued by the unfortune and are unable to form your lives as harmoniously as you would like, then you are able to change this if you turn to the consonance of the cosmic regulation and therefore to the creational laws and recommendations, and follow them." | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1024 Registered: 08-2004 |
"Big pond" could be almost any size. "Big" is a subjective judgement. Neighborhood ponds are thought of as big ponds, though the meaning is likely a bit bigger than that. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1025 Registered: 08-2004 |
Kenneth, The prediction/prophecy (I think there are both) says between the Black Sea and the North Sea, but on the European Black Sea coast would satisfy that and your Black Sea "pond" impact. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 917 Registered: 04-2013 |
Corey, Regarding your earlier question on 99942 Apophis, "Have you had any correspondence with retired US Senator from Colorado's 2nd congressional district Mark Udall?" This was brought to the attention of the 7-member Apophis Team; your answer in the following: "Hi Kenneth, No, I have not contacted Ex Senator Mark Udall and did not know anything about his view on Apophis. I am purposely trying to stay away from using politicians to further our goals of solving the correction for Pi and the predicted crash of Apophis into Earth because if either major party's House of Reps or Senators use this information to attack the other major party in a political debate, we will automatically be discounted by the opposing party as simply some sort of crackpot group pushing a political agenda. For example, Mark Udall was a Democratic Representative and then Senator from Colorado who lost to a Republican in 2014. Udall was a staunch supporter of then President Barack Obama and probably Sec of State Hillary Clinton (for President in 2016). The last thing we need is for ex Congressman Udall -- or to whomever he gives our Pi and Apophis information -- to attack President Trump and/or Vice President Mike Pence in any political ads or whatever, then we will probably have shot ourselves in the foot in any efforts to convince Trump and the current administration to check out our Pi correction and Apophis Earth crash information. This is the same for us contacting GOP politicians who might use it to attack Democrats and then we, again, would probably have shot ourselves in the foot in this case, too, since once an argument gets out to the mainstream media, it's dog eat dog. We want to keep it strictly scientific and not allow others to take it over and wreck what we are trying to do. It's true that I have previously sent all of my proofs (written and drawings) to my own Idaho House of Representative and to the Texas Rep Smith who is Chair of the $39 billion budget committee for Science and Technology, but I did not receive a response from either of them. So, while ex Rep Udall might sound like a good recipient for our Pi information because he was interested in Apophis, I think it best to not involve the politicians -- except for those who are currently in charge of NASA NEO and Science and Technology. Again, knowing Pres Trump's personality, the last thing we need is to politically back him up in a corner in a political debate because then he will come out swinging and we will lose a lot of time, credibility, and the necessary funding for an international project to solve this problem. Thanks, Harry" | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 884 Registered: 12-2011 |
Cpl That is now but with the wobble created by atomic bombs where would have hit? joe |
