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    Votan Member Post Number: 909 Registered: 12-2011 |
Cpl That makes sense.If it was the high council then they probably know that we are too stupid and vain to do anything about it. joe | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1990 Registered: 07-2005 |
Kenneth you said... It sounds as if you would rather roll over and let other less advanced human’s control your destiny without even trying? This situation is going to get much worse before it gets better. What if BEAM or the Plejaren thought that way?... No I don't think this is an accurate assessment I didn't think that starting on this journey the conditions attached to the spreading of truth didn't entail it being a hard slog and it has only just begun for our humanity. I believe that when you do the crime you do the time. The crime of wilful ignorance and denial of reality and the truth. If your well intended advice to a drug dealer to not deal in drugs goes in one ear and out the other does this person deserve jail time or should false humanitarianism prevail thereby continuing to allow him to potentially destroy more lives by letting him be. There is absolutely no solutions under the sun for willful ignorance nothing at all. If people will not listen to the warnings then they will not listen to the warnings period. Does that mean they deserve leniency, immunity and protection against the laws of cause and effect and not learn the hard way. Time will tell and I hope the Apophis team succeed in getting the message across for everyone's sake. You can only keep on trying. Matt lee | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 508 Registered: 10-2016 |
Votan, This is in regard to your post #906. You asked if the Bafath have anything to do with Apophis. I see things differently than Kenneth and Chris. It's not like the Bafath directed Apophis to us using technology, but Apophis is set to strike the Earth, and it was programmed to do so by the cosmic powers for mankind's failure to be in concordance with the laws and the recommendations of the Creation. Now ask yourself whose fault it is that mankind does not follow natural law? The Bafath. They are indirectly responsible for Apophis for misleading (and tampering with) humanity for the last 2000 years as mankind's failure to comply with natural law is a direct result of Bafath inducement. Salome, Corey Müske. -"Kelch der Wahrheit"/"Goblet of the Truth" ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 22:08: " Werdet ihr Menschen vom Unglück verfolgt und könnt ihr euer Leben nicht so harmonisch gestalten, wie ihr das gerne möchtet, dann vermögt ihr dies zu ändern, wenn ihr euch dem Einklang der kosmischen Ordnung und damit den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwendet und sie befolgt." 22:08: "If you human beings are pursued by the unfortune and are unable to form your lives as harmoniously as you would like, then you are able to change this if you turn to the consonance of the cosmic regulation and therefore to the creational laws and recommendations, and follow them." | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 971 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Matt, You’re correct, the Apophis Team “can only keep on trying”, we will do our very best to stave off the impact of Apophis. On the flip side of the conversation, I totally understand where you are coming from. If the Apophis Team and NASA/JPJ and maybe other countries as well prevent 99942 from impacting Earth; then what? Does the majority of the Earthlings crazy nonsense against Creation just continue…? When you said, “…doubt why we, the few among the many, should go against Creation's natural order to intervene in its preprogrammed punishment that we earthlings through our utter degeneracy and stupidity have brought upon ourselves.“ I agree that we are the few (FIGU etc.) among the many; however, I don’t agree, “…should go against Creation’s natural order to intervene in its preprogrammed punishment…” Creation does not punish; that’s a religious retrogression term. Nonetheless, “475. A science based on an irrational teaching is able to beat unexpected masses of entire peoples into it bondage, thus also the sciences of the ‘spiritual’ healing, which are able to degenerate absolutely healthy human beings into complete idiots.” Arahat Athersata There are many good folks out there that are caught up in various religions etc. that have very little or no clue that their brainwashed and going against Creation. Many of us in FIGU have been in that boat including myself. IMO, this religious balderdash was important, which today helps me identify the many religious beliefs or similar derivatives. Nonetheless, most folks are victims due to the aggressive, power hungry and greedy… “484. A psychically ill human being suffers only from his/her mode of thinking which has gotten very badly out of control of the good human nature, whereas a person who is ill in their consciousness is effectively more or less confused in his/her consciousness. Arahat Athersata In my opinion, those that are desperately trying to accomplish good for humanity while following the Spiritual Teaching, regardless of the potential arriving Cause and Effect are not going against Creation’s natural order. Your statement, “Why should we the degenerate earthlings who take everything for granted…” I don’t blame you for being frustrated with everything that’s going on in the world. When you use the word we as in, “we the degenerate earthlings…//… Why shouldn't we deserve what we have brought upon ourselves…etc. This “we” appears to be an all-inclusive word for every human being on Earth, when there are those that are striving for the Teaching of spirit, the teaching of life, the teaching of truth and therefore the teaching of the truth of the laws and recommendations of the primal power of all existence, Creation. When you said, “Do you think our petty existence here on earth is more important than the grand plan of Creation…” IMO, we are a small part of the grand plan of Creation, which is exactly why BEAM and all the prophets before him were also here on Earth. We may end up starting all over AGAIN due to an asteroid strike or worse. In my opinion, WE Earthlings will eventually get there, to the level of our Plejaren friends. Kenneth | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1092 Registered: 08-2004 |
Votan, Yes. The High Council did, however, via the Plejaren and Billy, give us not only the opportunity but also the "how" to avoid an Apophis impact. It's all up to humanity. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Hoota_thunk Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 07-2017 |
Salome, Chris, Justsayno and Kenneth, thank you for the correction of my incorrect remembering, I shall file this under, "I SEE, said the blind carpenter, as he picked up his hammer and saw..." I have been thinking quite a bit about Cause and Effect lately, without the advantage of YET having a copy of Arahat Athersata. All of my thinking was focused by Kenneth's post #969 with line 432. from aforementioned yet unattained book: "Every success breaks down sooner or later and is unstable if it is built upon the invisible foundation of the false thinking." There is an obvious difference between the material that we find ourselves trying so very hard to learn about and escape the worship of and the cause of this material. One can learn sooner about the effect of putting ones' finger into the fire or detonating an A-bomb than one can grasp the effect of thoughts; I mean, ponder the effects of the thoughts that the 7 Prophets have had over millennia and compare them to the flying ashtray, bullets, etc. and even the tripping over the heater. It appears that Humans need quite a bit of time to think about and put into actions how to wreck their environment, sooner or later and the environment needs virtually no time at all to wreck Humans, on an apparent whim; hence, Apophis! Matt, you were doing so well with your use of commas and then you stopped, what gives? See you this Saturday at the Aussie Study Group? Andrew Grimshaw - The Quiet Revolution Of Truth - | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 499 Registered: 02-2010 |
Matt's post 1990, I agree with most of the post. Most of the population are not listening and if we attempt to do more to reach them, we'll be institutionalized, considered a trouble maker, etc. The most we can do is work on solutions anonymously for all mankind and especially work on ourselves. MsMichelle | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 999 Registered: 04-2011 |
Our world today, as seen from the perspective of those space travellers that return to our time to see "why it all happened": News two days ago: NASA thinks Apophis will pass our planet (in 2029) dangerously close (in a distance of 19000 miles). From todays MSN news... "In 2013, a study attempted to evaluate the effects of a hypothetical 400-metre-wide asteroid impact on Earth... The asteroid impact on Earth would carry the energy of about 3,300 megatons of TNT, which is “roughly equivalent to 60% of the world’s remaining nuclear weapons detonated at the same time, in the same place”, according to the news site..." For a danger such serious one would expect world leaders to unite and tell their scientists to work in unison on solutions to prevent an asteroid strike. The reality: They tell their scientists to find more "more world destroying - DEFENSIVE -weapons". "If you want to know the future look at the causes made in the present..." | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1094 Registered: 08-2004 |
Kenneth and Matt, It is correct, Kenneth, that Creation does not punish; however Quetzal has said regarding Apophis' impact that we could see it as "an admonition and punishment" (V 499 Apophis comic). I presume this is where Matt was coming from with his "punishment" comment, although he incorrectly related this to Creation itself, whereas it is probably more to do with the cosmic powers that allow it. Nonetheless, it can be seen as a punishment upon humanity. Billy has said before that punishment is necessary. This is aspect deserving everyone's meditation. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 972 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Chris, Excellent, thanks for the clarification on the "an admonition and punishment", much appreciated. In recollection, this Cause and Effect punishment comes very close to the definition of Karma, which we all know does not exist. Salome Kenneth | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1991 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks for the clarification Chris Yes that is exactly the source of where I was coming from although I should've left out Creation. Cheers Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1992 Registered: 07-2005 |
Well Andrew commas are not my thing they look like speck of dust in my screen. Study group????? Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1993 Registered: 07-2005 |
Mischelle I think Michael can recount this story better than I seeing as he has a firsthand account of someone who is prominent from the UFOIC who told him to the effect that Meier's case was too good to be true and that now is not the time to disclose to the masses about it. The actions of these vultures and hyenas are the prime example of what I was getting at because they know within their hearts that billy's contact case if 100% true. I am sure Michael can do a better job of shedding more light on this situation than I. Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1994 Registered: 07-2005 |
Something partial would send a clear message to earthlings Kenneth Matt lee | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1095 Registered: 08-2004 |
This is an interesting topic to discuss, Kenneth. I see the karma that doesn't exist as that which relates to guilt transference from one personality (or lifetime) to another; that's impossible, and would be unjust. On the other hand, real karma is simply the effect of a cause. We reap what we sow. The decision of humankind to ignore the notification and advice given us by Billy and the Plejaren is the cause that will (unless we DO act) create the effect of the decimation of our civilization as we know it. Post event, I'm sure many among Earth's humanity will look upon it as a punishment for humanity's ignorance, foolishness, and stubbornness. It will be the karmic effect of our inaction. Is it a punishment or not? I'd say that since the High Council could have given the order to prevent it but chose not to, that as Quetzal says, it can be seen as a punishment. Sometimes it's the only way ignorant and stubborn humans learn. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 973 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Chris, I totally agree with you. It would appear that for whatever reason, 99942 Apophis ended up heading for Earth; the High Council recommending that the Plejaren should not intervene says volumes. That particular situation brought to light, "it can be seen as a punishment." makes sense from a logic standpoint. Thanks for the clarification. Kenneth | ||
Hoota_thunk Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 07-2017 |
Matt Lee and friends, see the following: FLAU Meetings http://au.figu.org/fl_meetings.html On the second Saturday of every month the FIGU-Landesgruppe Australia holds a Study Group meeting via Skype at which members and friends discuss the spiritual teaching. This includes the reading and discussion of translated excerpts from books and contact notes etc. written by 'Billy' Eduard Albert Meier, articles by core group members, Landesgruppe members and Studiengruppe members worldwide, as well as articles written by FIGU-Landesgruppe Australia members and friends themselves based in the spiritual teaching. All Australian residents are welcome to participate at these meetings. Click here to register your interest. http://au.figu.org/contact_page.php Writings by FIGU-Landesgruppe Australia members and friends can be viewed in the articles section. http://au.figu.org/articles.html The FIGU-Landesgruppe Australia also publishes a Bulletin which is released quarterly. The Bulletin contains articles, short translations and general information about what is happening in our group. If you would like to be kept updated, there is a mailing list. Click here to sign up. http://au.figu.org/bulletins.php Andrew Grimshaw - The Quiet Revolution Of Truth - | ||
Jokubas_stalmokas Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 01-2011 |
I have been entertaining a thought for a while about what makes people to be so stubborn to let the truth into their consciousnes. This are the conclusions I drew based on Billy material and analyzing my mind processes from when I was ignorant towards effective truth. To my understanding there must be a type of coping mechanism which blocks everything out, because human being would not be able to handle the truth without damaging his/her psyche. I assume that after so many years of thinking in wrong direction and living by it, suddenly after finding out the things you was so sure and felt right about turns out to be opposite, the individual mind might find it unbearable. People have been wrong in so many things in their acting and thinking, that accepting certain truth would open leads to other false behavioral patterns they were subjected to, which like snow avalanche might overwhelm the psyche. Let's take for example the situation where plejaren felt sorry for billy when certain personalities tried to slander him by claiming that he is simply fantasizing about communicating with other world beings, so plejaren decided to show up to them to prove they really exist. As far as I remember, those people some got crazy and some committed suicide. Maybe this is why people learn slow and more from their own mistakes. This is my general vague attempt to understand people reasoning behind such stubbornness. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1098 Registered: 08-2004 |
Jokubus, What you say sounds right to me. We should also remember, though, that it is the negative ego that takes the biggest crash to its concrete head when it hears truths -- or anything -- that oppose its stance. At such hearing most people ruled by their negative ego just balk. Most people live from their negative ego and outright reject that which contradicts it. As you say, most people are not ready for the truth, and it upsets their psyche -- their thoughts, feelings, and emotions -- to hear it. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 974 Registered: 04-2013 |
Jokubas, Good analogy; along with your accurate thoughts; Billy also expressed that we Earthlings are just stepping out of our baby shoes. This statement would align with Earthlings early on spiritual development as well as technological advancements. A very young child has to make mistakes in order to learn, this can be perceived as stubborn and tenacious as well… Kenneth | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1008 Registered: 08-2010 |
The large majority of human beings on Earth are not ready for the teaching of the truth. This is evident on Facebook and YouTube where you see the most insulting and disrespectful comments, especially towards Billy and the Mission. I have found that even the most religious person agrees harmoniously with aspects of the teaching of the spirit and the teaching of the life. The threat of asteroids, life existing throughout the universe, the existence and visitation of the Plejaren... anything pertaining to the teaching of the truth will be better received through the fertilization of the consciousness via the teaching of the spirit and the teaching of the life. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Jokubas_stalmokas Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 01-2011 |
Thank you for your replies. Considering people can hold on to someone else's wild fantasies for thousands of years without questioning, there is a small hope for quick breakthrough in recognizing reality. But still it's sad, because it complicates functioning in current society in many ways when you are of a different view from majority of people. Places where you can share your thoughts and people relate are awesome  | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 655 Registered: 04-2015 |
Jokubas_stalmokas, I know what you mean. I can't talk to any of my friends about the Meier case because they will think I am either a gullible fool or a nutcase. |
