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Redbeard
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Post Number: 310
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2019 - 06:00 pm: | 
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Coming from a fairly strong religious background I will attest to the initial shock of the level of deception that has and is taking place on this planet...
Much of the resistance that is encountered from people relates to the serious lack of self responsibility that the average person is willing to take on, even though this is the only path to maturity in humans.
Religion offers that covering from our true reality that some deity will take care of us no matter what. Most people don't want that level of involvement in their own life so as to have to face reality, they chose the blue pill every time.....
I put my wife through the mill so to speak when I walked away from my involvement and commitments at the church we attended. It was unbearable to be there once I knew the truth, but extremely difficult to do. I don't know why I was so compelled to know the truth to toss all of that and risk divorce as well, but it was just hardwired in me to do so.
Until I found the materials there wasn't any other place to go and for me that's why I was involved with Christianity to the level I was, looking for love in all the wrong places,,,,, LOL
It really is a lonely business harboring so many amazing truths that means so much to so few...
Peace, Matt B. |
Jokubas_stalmokas
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Post Number: 59
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2019 - 04:17 pm: |
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Hugo, I did tell about Billy to my parents. Only mother was willing to listen, but had to quit the topic after a while when I noticed she viewed it as entertainment and I am no story teller 
Redbeard, that is the thing, the more you learn and the more you understand the harder it gets to communicate with people, because most of what they talk about is irrelevant stuff. It's fine if you need to talk about nothing for a while but when you need to keep up with the conversation which makes no sense or about things that goes against what you learned is frustrating. When I try to disagree with what has been just said I get accused of trying to pretend being smart or trying to show off so now I have to deal with being unlikable person, it's just crazy |
Davidmg
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Post Number: 239
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2019 - 05:06 pm: |
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Not only the lack of self responsibility but also having no knowledge of the natural Creational laws and recommendations and because of this, all manners of destruction crept in and we now have the world in which we did not fight for. And for which the leaders of whom we unfortunately rely on, also have no insight into how to exist with out means for their personal gains. If the mighty one would learn of the spiritual and consciousness based evolution, then things would be very different than they are now.
Davidmg
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 975
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2019 - 08:31 am: |
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Hi Jokubas,
It would appear that many of us in the Spiritual Teaching have experienced the same or similar issues regarding enlightening others about Billy. I too wanted to tell the whole world, especially loved ones about my truthful discoveries.
As a suggestion, what has had a higher success rate when informing the unaware about 99942 Apophis or other truths associated with Billy and the Plejaren was building a platform of credibility which proved to be very essential; this may take a little time?
For example, when interfacing with someone that is revealed to be receptive to the truth, starting with small facts and corroborations that would pertain to that particular persons interests is paramount. A great source for corroborations material is Michael Horns site (theyfly).
Experience has proven to me that enlightening those that are receptive with truthful historical facts provided by Billy and the Plejaren with everything from various food; man-made materials; the environment; the various sciences; the solar system; where the Red Meteor originally came from, when it was discovered and why it has the name of Apophis today established credibility and opened many doors. The Plejaren and Billy have talked about all of this and much more as I’m sure you know.
Starting with small truthful knowledge and evidence, then building on this foundation was beneficial and effective. Once credibility has been established, then if you consider the individual receptive at the time, divulge where the information was acquired; i.e. Billy Meier and the Plejaren. Initially hitting the uninformed with E.T.’s and the 21st century prophet (BEAM) does not usually fly very well with most of the unknowing; for the most part it had an adverse effect, every person is different and many folks are not approachable at this time.
Ancient history associated with the Contact Reports including Michael Horne’s accumulated corroborations is very effective. I’ve found that once my credibility base was established, many folks were then receptive to the Plejaren extraterrestrials and related material from Billy Meier.
A small example of what we’re up against:
51. In the delusion of the overbearingness, the sciences have proceeded to degrade the workings, activities and creations of the natural powers and to take away from them the origin of the creational.
52. These delusional fantasies are called natural sciences and natural philosophies by the Earth human beings, which are fundamentally based only on opinions and are spread as malicious irrational teachings.
Arahat Athersata
Page 342
Salome
Kenneth |
Jokubas_stalmokas
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Post Number: 60
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2019 - 05:24 pm: |
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Thanks Kenneth, I might try your idea, slowly building up credibility sounds like a plan. I hope that little time is not going to turn into a decade
Back to topic. I have one notice to share regarding the meteor impact. One thing does not give me peace which I have read on Wikipedia site while searching for info what scientists have to say about it. They have calculated twice the possibility of apophis hitting the earth. First attempt showed the result of direct danger and the second time showed no danger at all. To my understanding scientists who work there are very careful with conclusions, so they don't rush to publicize unless they measured everything several times especially considering such a sensitive topic. I can understand when minor mistakes could be made while calculating with outcome deviating from direct impact to very close flyby with gravitational effect, but now the jump from danger to no danger at all looks suspicious. It might sound consiparatorial but either first attempt or second seems like purposeful miscalculation. I am curious how they are going to explain this when inevitably they will have to bring to public attention of the direct meteor impact again... |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 976
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2019 - 08:23 pm: |
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Jokubas,
Just a thought and another very good example; you might start a conversation the way that Michael Horn starts out his various discussions and presentations with; “according to the information” or “allegedly”, which is used to express that your information is claimed to be the case or have taken place, although there often is no proof. This frequently has the effect of removing what others think that you assume that something is true, to where you’re just providing documented information. This stimulates thinking with most folks that you’re discussing the material with.
There is all kinds of information regarding Apophis that many are interested in; compare what you know from what Billy and the Plejaren have said verses what NASA and JPL is saying. Tons on information can be found on both perspectives; even though we (FIGU) know which prospective is correct.
Sincerely
Kenneth |
Hugo
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Post Number: 656
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2019 - 06:24 pm: |
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Jokubas, I could never tell my parents or brothers and sisters about the Meier case because they are all strict Catholics. Unlike my brothers and sisters (from as early as I can remember) I never once believed in religion all the times my parents dragged me off to church mass. I was the odd one out and I often wondered why I was born into a strictly religous family.
Kenneth, I did that when I tried showing most of my friends the Meier case. I started by showing them the documentary "Contact" by Wendelle Stevens and watched it with them. Then I showed them all the corroborated prophecies material. None bothered to follow it up and most thought I was a ufo nutter because later they sometimes joked to me about the ufo matter which made me realize they they didn't buy it and took it for an entertainment joke. One was a family friend who was a professor teaching at a university. At the end of me showing him everything he said to me that if all the Meier evidence/material is real then how come there is no mention of it on the mainstream news or documentaries which let me know how ignorant he was. I learned how ignorant most people are and a few years ago I stopped trying to tell friends about the Meier case because it got nowhere except making many think I was a ufo nutter and/or dumb. So I gave up. The world really is NOT ready to hear about the Meier case nor do they want to. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 977
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2019 - 09:32 pm: |
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Hugo,
I know exactly what you mean, I’ve been there myself. Nonetheless, I have changed my tactics; my latest strategies are to just drop catch phrases or seeds of knowledge as I call them with various friends and new introductions as well. I can tell by their body language or questions if they would be receptive to additional information about the Meier case and Spiritual Teaching, not to mention the vast amount of knowledge on many subjects.
I’ve found that many folks really get interested in 99942 Apophis, which I can talk about for half an hour regarding both sides (Billy/Plejaren vs NASA/JPL). In the past year I’ve introduced 6 or 7 folks to the Teaching, that are currently being forwarded information from Billy/FIGU and Michael Horn to this day; I get good positive feedback. I’ve learned the hard way to tread lightly at first. It’s amazing how fragile and brainwashed many folks are.
Kenneth |
Cpl
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Post Number: 1099
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2019 - 11:56 pm: |
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Exactly my findings Kenneth.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Cpl
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Post Number: 1100
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2019 - 12:15 am: |
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Jokubas,
If you do an internet search on the article "Even If We Can Stop a Dangerous Asteroid, Being Human May Mean We Don't Succeed" you can see how NASA will explain if they are proven wrong about asteroid impact. There are a few cosmic factors or areas where they realize ("realize?") their calculations could be compromised. If I remember correctly they covered things like: minor gravitation field calculations; how the sun might affect the orbit of the asteroid through a variety of factors such as heat, solar wind, or gravity; and other reasons I don't recall.
We can be sure they have a litany of excuses to trot out if/when the impact occurs or is seen inevitable.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Hugo
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Post Number: 657
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2019 - 01:08 am: |
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Kenneth, you are probably better then me at introducing the Meier case to people and getting them to notice the validity in it.
Apophis could be the wake up call the world need. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 978
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2019 - 07:54 am: |
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Hugo,
Apophis could be the wakeup call indeed. Billy has made the comment that it will take about another 800 years for Earthlings to discard religion for the most part and embrace Creation and the Teaching.
“Teaching of spirit, the teaching of life, the teaching of truth and therefore the teaching of the truth of the laws and recommendations of the primal power of all existence, Creation.”
The 800 hundred year duration may just be Earthlings length of time for the proper evolution of consciousness to take place…
Or, due to numerous catastrophes, manmade and nature caused through Cause and Effect, that Earthlings realize that various religions holds no value? The Red Meteor, aka, 99942 Apophis could be a part of this?
“It’s only allowed to be known that he (BEAM) will again, in around 800 years, be the centre point of the FIGU innermost group again, just as this arrangement existed in earlier times at various times and also exists today.”
Kenneth |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1995
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2019 - 12:28 pm: |
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An astute observer Secureteam10 has picked up on an interesting point about the renewed rush to the moon by various companies, countries and space agencies before 2029.
I wonder if it has anything to do with the knowledge by the elites that Apophis will hit earth and certain preparations are being made in anticipation of it.
Neil degrasse Tyson made numerous appearances, TV shows (FORA tv) and interviews about Apophis and holds the view that this 350m God of death and darkness will hit earth in April of 2036 if in 2029 it goes through a tiny keyhole.
He may be one individual various people would be relying on for information about Apophis.
I wonder if somebody within certain agencies have input data on orbital parameters based on the Apophis team calculation with the right pi number which is prompting them to make preparations for an emergency evacuation to the moon.
Are the various governments around the world going to wait till the last minute when the Apophis goes through that tiny 600 mile keyhole in 2029 before springing to action or are they going to make preparations now so that this asteroid is deflected away from the keyhole in the next several years.
And what kind of exploration and experiments are the terrestrial non-terrestrial space force conducting up there on the moon and from the various space platforms.
Why aren't these guys being used for the Apophis deflection programs.
Matt lee |
Jokubas_stalmokas
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Post Number: 61
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2019 - 02:32 pm: |
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Kenneth, I understand what you mean, I do start conversations based on public knowledge, but rarely someone is interested in a discussion about global things or things that matter, when there is plenty of stuff to talk about on Facebook
Hugo, I completely feel you, because my parents are strict catholics too. But with mine it's a bit polarized. As I mentioned before on one side my mom was interested from entertainment perspective when talking about extraterrestrials, but on the other side when I refused all the going to church on sunday rituals and other crazy related shenanigans, my mom literally considered to take me through full exorcism session. During Christmas she invited 5 monks for dinner to help bring me back on the righteous path again. To this day I am not sure if this is comedy or drama Here is on more, once I got scolded for not being dressed proper for church by putting on the 'wrong' shoes and that God was not going to like it, because the shoes were worn off too much |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 979
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2019 - 09:58 pm: |
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Keep in mind that Neil deGrasse Tyson is a corporate person and makes a lot of money from various network main stream news outlets. In my opinion, he is pretty much bought and paid for as a puppet of the media and maybe even NASA? He will not risk his lucrative day job to acknowledge the truth. He also espouses and advocates the information provided by NASA without apparent question?
The Apophis Team has sent Mr. Tyson two or three packages of pertinent information regarding 99942 Apophis and the correct Pi calculation of 3.144605511… and how to perform the procedure to prove that the Pi taught in so called higher learning institutions are in error. We never heard a peep from him.
Kenneth |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1001
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2019 - 10:07 pm: |
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Re Matt's there is a "Rush to the Moon" - it certainly features in world's MSM:
Headline in today’s “Spiegel” (“The Mirror” - one of Germany’s best newspapers):
Jeff Bezos wants to go to the moon - “to stay [there]”
Science fiction to become reality – Amazon founder plans the first colony on the moon – starting in 2024
A few days earlier in the Sydney Morning Herald:
Time to go back – this time to stay - Jeff Bezos reveals his moon mission
Forbes:
Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk want to go the Moon … They just disagree how to get there
... The Washington Post even reports that the country’s top politician wants to go there and Jeff Bezos is “among those vying to help…” |
Hugo
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Post Number: 658
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2019 - 11:21 pm: |
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I doubt the elites would want to go live on the moon permanently for fear of Aphosis impact because no one can survive there (2029-2036) without regular supplies from Earth and if that is the case there is no need to leave Earth. And even if they could it would be a lousy existence living on moon. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1996
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2019 - 01:52 am: |
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I agree Kenneth
He is a corporate shill.
This is why the corporate interests only give airtime and exposure to their bought and paid for puppets.
This is the only way that people get ahead in life if they promote and spout out the corporate party line at the detriment to the truth.
I wouldn't be surprised if the corporate elite interests hire the best cunning minds to profit from this Apophis threat in the future like the tech giants at solicon valley did with the Y2K issue before wall street abruptly deflated the tech bubble in 2000.
Either way Neil degrasse Tyson did tell the truth in these interviews that Apophis will hit earth 7 years later if it passes through the tiny keyhole in 2029.
I am sure that when this looming threat becomes undeniable to the masses he'll be one shouting from the rooftops that he told them so and he'll take all the credit with guest appearances on all the MSM tv shows.
As for your information package maybe prominent people make the least attractive source to plant the seed and that maybe people working unassumedly behind the scene in some lab or research facility might make a better potential candidates as their modest nature makes them trustworthy and superiors tend to believe their words more than self promoting types like Neil.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1997
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2019 - 02:24 am: |
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Thanks bill for the additional information.
There tend to always be a political reason behind these decisions and anouncements especially when there exists political uncertainty and competing adversaries like China, India and Russia who might have the potential to take over the moon and gain valuable insight and knowledge into the extraterrestrial infrastructure and all that it will follow from it.
This is my own personal view but ever since the apollo space program ended everything space related went dark and underground because of what NASA found on the moon.
I believe they've made this an above and beyond top secret priority and transferred the program to the private sector which became the highly secret black budget special access projects.
From there all kinds of space platforms and secret space stations were built for exotic experiments and weapons development among so many others.
Many recruits from the NASA, army, navy, airforce, SOG, seals and secret services were recruited to make up the terrestrial non terrestrial space force and space personnel to be stationed on the dark side of the moon and in space platforms of all types orbiting around earth.
Thanks to Gary Mckinnon's revelation and his hacked findings now a lot of people know about the secret space programs and projects.
Alot of the experiments may involve trying to achieve real space flight potential with earth produced so called antigravity crafts.
I don't think they've succeeded yet despite the enormous advances in this area.
Matt lee |
Cpl
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Post Number: 1101
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2019 - 05:04 am: |
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Kenneth,
At the risk of repetition, I do not think we have proven the scientific value of pi = 3.1416.... incorrect. What we have proven is that there is another proof that contradicts the one they have. They are not going to ditch 3.1416 until we show where in their calculations it is incorrect, or what is wrong with that method. Following the math on calculating pi traditionally to 3.1416... I cannot pinpoint any error; in fact it mathematically works out to be correct. So why would they ditch it? They won't until the error within their methodology is pinpointed so that they can see it, and that is totally different from offering another method that, to them, claims a different value. They will see the 3.1446... method as more likely to contain the 0.003 error than their conventional way which does not show any error as far as they have calculated it. This is the reason for the impasse.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Cpl
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Post Number: 1102
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2019 - 05:20 am: |
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The renewed race to the moon could also be as Billy 's recent prophecy/dream revealed, because certain secret elite powers are planning in secret a WW III that will take the population back to a sustainable number that they can then rule over, and the moon is a safer location to ride that out, especially for an extra contingent that will not be located inside the DUMBs (Deep Underground Military Bases) that even mainstream newspapers have told us do exist.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 980
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2019 - 10:15 am: |
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Matt,
You are correct; the Apophis Team is currently working to get other scientists, MIT future scientists and technology companies the provide the calibrated equipment for measuring the correct Pi equations etc., such as Pi Tape Corporation; also the B-612 Foundation that is headed by a former astronaut Dr. Lu.
As Mr. Lear has pointed out;
"It seems like there are a lot more sources of "error" than we knew about -- e.g. atmospheric dispersion and use of wrong tables such as assuming the mile high telescope being used in Hawaii is at sea level."
The A-Team is trying to get other scientists and mathematicians to perform the physical measurement of Pi so that they can then get on with the task of forming a project team to prevent not only Apophis from impacting Earth, but a lot of other Asteroids in the future.
Kenneth |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 981
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2019 - 10:25 am: |
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Chris,
That could be a possibility, "...certain secret elite powers are planning in secret a WW III that will take the population back to a sustainable number"...
The Moon would also be a perfect location to launch a fake ET attack on Earthlings as pointed out by the Plejaren, Billy and Dr. Wernher von Braun.
Kenneth |
