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Corey
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Post Number: 545
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Sunday, July 21, 2019 - 10:34 pm: | 
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(Scott, Can you choose this version instead of the other one that is in queue? PS: I am hoping you will overlook the size of this post given the relevancy of the subject matter which is showcased in the images.)
A word to the wise: our people are sleeping blind, unawares of the future.
Perhaps "ignorant" as in "ignorant ones" instead of the translator's choice of "ignoramuses" for the German word "Ignoranten" of verse 283 would be a better choice, but I will leave it as published.
From Google search: Ignorant: adjective:
1."lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated."
2. "lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about a particular thing."
synonyms: unschooled, untrained, unlearned.
283. It will not be as ignoramuses ironically
assume, that human life will continue as
before, if all the changes come as they are
announced through foresight.
283. "Es wird nicht so sein, wie Ignoranten
ironisch meinen, dass das menschliche Leben
so weitergehen werde wie bisher, wenn all die
Veränderungen kommen, wie sie voraussehend
angekündigt sind.
284. It will also be that certain happenings will
not be gradual but sudden, and consequently
the coming changes will be of a different
nature.
284. Es wird auch sein, dass gewisse
Geschehen nicht allmählich, sondern plötzlich
geschehen, folglich die kommenden
Änderungen verschiedener Natur sein werden.
285. The seeds for this have been sown by
Earth humankind by the continual increase of
the overpopulation, and now they sprout and
will let their evil fruits of irresponsibility,
destruction, devastation and extermination
grow and be harvested over the coming years
and decades, whereby new seeds come about,
which again are further spread out and sown.
285. Die Samen dafür wurden von der
Erdenmenschheit durch das stete Anwachsen
der Überbevölkerung gesät, und nun keimen sie
und werden über die kommenden Jahre und
Jahrzehnte ihre bösen Früchte der
Verantwortungslosigkeit, der Zerstörung,
Vernichtung und Ausrottung nun wachsen und
ernten lassen, wobei neue Samen entstehen,
die wieder weiter ausgebracht und gesät
werden.
* = Sentences 283-285 of the copywritten Sfath's 1948 predictions of contact converstion 670. Translation by Vivienne Legg with assistance from Mariann Uehlinger Mondria and Dyson Devine and amended by FLAU. Copyright: FIGU/BEAM Age of Aquarius publishing.
• In closing: the people are kept in the dark about the truth so they are sleeping blind, and some of these disasters will be the most terrible, destructive cataclysms modern record-keeping has ever recorded. Television should be used by the powers-that-be as a massive public consensus modification system to alter public opinion away from over-people and towards a federal birth-stoppage. Tell the truth.
• The creational law requirement for population density, that is to say how many people per square kilometer for adequate arable land, etc, is only 12 humans. Any more than this number and it violates creational law which programs cause and effect reaps from the fabrics of the universe. We will have to learn through experience and the hard way from the fabrics of the universe that could last several centuries that this is not the way to move forward.
A few statistics according to Google:
United States: 35.32 people per square kilometer
the people's Republic of China: 145 people per square kilometer
Russia: is only 8.4 people per sq kilometer
Europe: 55.21 people per square kilometer
India: India has doubled in size in all 29 states in the last 40 years and will overtake China in population growth.
Pakistan: ranks 6th in the list of countries by population.
Africa: 45 people per square kilometer.
While Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, and Romania have declining populations the population density of Europe is still figured at 55.21 people per square kilometer.
These cause and effect reaps are already showing up as water stress (water scarcity which leads to food scarcity) around the world:
See world maps below (forum attachment size-limitations kept some of these smaller than others). We are one globe with one common enemy = overpopulation:
And another (this one was un-enlargeable):
The United States. Note how it just "congregates" around the Southwestern United States:
China:
How this affects China's agriculture (this information is 7 years old) that gives me real concern:
While I could not locate a water stress "map" for the Russian Federation, I was able to locate a water consumption for energy production map of Russia. This map also showcases Russia, China and the United States are "brothers" in our water consumption with a common goal to protect it for our individual national peoples IE: we need to form the Trilateral government that acts as a singularity, while at the same time respects the individual autonomy of the 3 Triad member-nations. Why do we need 300-year long sacred Trilateral peace treaties? The picture speaks for itself:
Europe (this information is decades old):
This showcases some crop yield changes in Europe in the same areas as water-stress/water-scarcity as a "ripple effect". I regret to remind everyone the breadbasket of northern Europe will become uninhabitable after England is devoured by the sea (sentence 122 Sfath's 1948 predictions) that gives me real concern:
Africa (this gives me real concern):
zeros in on the North Africa and parts of Middle East (this one was un-enlargeable):
The Middle East (this was was un-enlargeable):
Can cause and effect cause terrorism? Terrorists is Syria may turn to terrorism for Bafath-induced religion that is a living legacy of a lie, and as a very short-lasting and not very durable and humane "way out" from drought, famine, and water stress (this one was un-enlargeable):
World Governments need to approve the GBV (Globale Bevölkerungskontrolle Vollstreckung/Global Population-Control Enforcement):
  
To avoid creational law violations, these laws will have to be only humane population-control, and these laws will have to consist of the following:
1) A global birth-stoppage for 7 entire years.
2) Followed by only 1 year of modest births allowed.
3) Repeat the cycle until #4 is reached (see below).
4) All permanent global federally-mandated "law on the books" until a few centuries from the time of the present, when the globe's population count is 529,000,000 million humans, or 12 humans per square kilometer and to be held at this number permanently.
5) Emphasis on humane, as we, the citizens of this world will have to stand together to face the natural damage that is coming.
• It is my understanding that detonating nuclear weapons violates creational law. Do not use them to solve the population problem, nor launch them at any nation.
• The only way out to make the future good are the FIGU recommendations that are based on logic including population-controls, [forced forcelessness] gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit, and a humane banishment system.
• Overpopulation can unify the globe if the people are taught to be concerned about the truth, and taught to stand against it, and taught we will have to face the natural damage together.
Sincerely,
Corey Müske (Mueske) USA.
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Corey
Member
Post Number: 545
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Monday, July 22, 2019 - 01:10 am: |
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• Addendum to post #545: cause and effect:
• "For the Mayans, soil erosion was one of their keys to their downfall, as it was for many other early civilizations. We too are on such a path" - Lester Brown "Full Planet, Empty Plates" page 6.
• In my 11th image from the top, the map of water-stress/water-scarcity in the Middle East is very small due to forum limitations, however I will highlight the main points of the cause and effect of water-scarcity:
The ten most threatened countries for water-scarcity are in the Middle East:
water withdrawal per capita:
1)Libya 718%
2)Saudi Arabia 1,097%
3)Kuwait 7,512%
4)Qatar 2,674%
5)UAE 4,297%
6)Egypt 141%
7)Jordan 129%
8)Yemen 196%
9)Bahrain 398%
10)Oman 133%
• I regret to remind you that contact conversation 669 indicates if the prophecies play out the time-period of 200 years of food and water shortages due to overpopulation which could cause terrorism, and the same contact conversation indicates we could have 200 years of terrorism if the prophecies play out. We need the forerunner to gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit to outlaw war and terrorism.
• How will water-scarcity affect the United States?
My homeland of Minnesota has an aquifer depletion rate of 4 to 1 as a result of overpopulation. This means 4 parts water are sucked dry when only 1 part of water is allowed to naturally regenerate. Cause and effect states Minnesota will eventually run out of water.
The largest aquifer under the United States funnels water for crop irrigation throughout the breadbasket. It is called the Ogallala aquifer:
Here is a map of the Ogallala aquifer's depletion rates because of overpopulation:
The closer the aquifer reaches the Southwestern United States, the more it is depleted. 75% in some areas. Cause and effect indicates that this aquifer will eventually run out of water, and a 2013 Kansas study indicates it could fully deplete in 50 years time, or in 2063.
Here is a map of many of the United States aquifers, each with their own individual story of depletion which will decimate future farmers, if there are any left after 2020:
This indicates since the 1940's the groundwater in the United States has been erratically depleted according to the black line. Cause and effect states that the United States will run out of water unless there is a "Crisis Aversion" by the GBV:
This is in fact a global problem as a result of cause and effect in the world's global breadbaskets as indicated in the following two maps. The first one gives you an indication of what is grown where, and how depletion affects the specific areas which could cause massive uprisings in 20 to 40 years time as the problem exacerbates, unless there is a peaceful non-totalitarian as possible "Stand Down" situation enforced by the Trilateral Union:
• A drought is a prolonged period of abnormally low rainfall, leading to a shortage of water (which affects yields of crops which leads to food-scarcity).
According to Google the top 8 countries that are affected by droughts are:
1. Ethiopia
2. Sudan
3. Eritrea
4. Afghanistan
5. China
6. Pakistan
7. Iran
8. Somalia
The worst drought on modern record was in the 2,000's the Millennium drought in Australia.
• Post #545 and this Addendum illustrate how water scarcity affects heavily populated areas of the globe with high population densities of more then 12 people per square mile, and how this water scarcity will also cause food scarcity by affecting crop yields. According to sentence 313 of Sfath's 1948 predictions, we will lose 15 million hectares of arable land to desertification by the year 2020. None of this will not get better until there is a "Crisis Aversion" by the GBV to enforce a global birth-stoppage to lower population levels by using the law.
• The public people also need to be taught that they have more than one life to live as part of the "Crisis Aversion" so the public people will possess "active concern" on the future status of the planet when their future personality is reborn, and I suggest using television to re-educate the public.
* = Note: statistics and images are found on the internet or in books used for illustrations of cause and effect reaps, and are not part of any official Swiss contact conversation.
Sincerely,
Corey Müske (Mueske) USA.
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1048
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, July 22, 2019 - 09:11 am: |
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Corey, excellent posts.
Most people have no idea what the actual conditions are, namely unaware of the creational recommendation of 12 humans per km of arable land.
How food is grown currently to feed the population explosion requires the use of chemicals such as pesticides, fungicides, etc. which cause health issues in farm workers, destroy the biological life in the soil and affects water and even ocean water life.
Organic Certification allows the use of certain chemicals; just visit the USDA website and click on the link to get certified organic. They give you a complete list.
The climate has already lashed out and many farms are being impacted in devastating ways and many are unable to produce or will be unable to produce in the next few years.
At some point, the truth & reality of this will hit people and the alarming realization will force people/governments to do the right thing or suffer some major terrible consequences.
You're right about the general ignorance regarding the reincarnation of the spirit and the living of new lives in new bodies after we die. This makes people behave irresponsibly. Good thing so many children with evidence of their previous lives can be found on YouTube. Maybe this can be used somehow.
You are correct, and world governments must face what they already know regarding the population explosion with courage and purpose. Governments must act responsibly and with courage, to face their people and have an honest dialog, about the effects of our exploding population.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Fermouth
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 07-2019
| | Posted on Monday, July 22, 2019 - 06:37 pm: |
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So what kind of ideas are there for controlling this overpopulation currently?
As I read from the Goblet of the Truth, we are supposed to only have 529 million humans on planet Earth.
Obviously, we have surpassed that by a staggering amount.
As I see it, the ONLY solution that would be humane and logical would be relocation to habitable planets. 12 or so of them. Assuming of course they're about the same size as Earth etc.
And the only feasible way to accomplish this would be to build our own beamships etc. Or maybe one of the dimensional gates I've read about.
Not only would this stop the overpopulation problem, but it would lower the number of people that need to be taught about the truth in all ways concerning the Creation.
Your guys' thoughts, reactions, response are required for this? Am I wrong? It's obvious this isn't going to happen overnight etc, but it would greatly help if worked together and solved this problem. I don't quite know if this is even being worked on now or not. Ok, enough banter from this guy. Tell me what we think? |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1049
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, July 22, 2019 - 11:19 pm: |
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Fermouth, re; your post #4 regarding the overpopulation.
There are really only two ways to bring humanity to the correct population numbers.
One is the consciousness-based wise approach which has been put out by FIGU which involves the education of humanity in the correct and wise approach.
This can be accomplished if enough people become "knowing ones", in a consciousness-based wise and do their part in whatever small value they can.
The second way this can be accomplished is according to the law of the Equalization, wherein the Earth will lash out with ever increasing climate intensities of weather hostilities that will continue to increase in intensity, as statistics are proving, including an atmospheric collapse, which would wipe out all life.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Niko_sulonen
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 23, 2019 - 09:04 am: |
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Hey Fermouth,
The only way to stop and reverse the destructive overpopulation is to stop making babies. I don't see how beamships and dimension gates would solve the problem. Those technologies are in the far-distant future, which we won't even get to realize if we don't solve the imminent and life-threatening issues we face today.
Salome,
Niko
I recognize my path, which is the truth and living in accordance with it. I carry out my mission for life and for the fulfillment of life. I abide by the creational laws and recommendations, which reign in me as true love and wisdom.
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Scott
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Post Number: 2922
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 23, 2019 - 03:10 pm: |
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Granted overpopulation is an "extreme" and life threatening problem, it (overpopulation) has not stopped other races from leaving their home-worlds for new worlds to live upon. From "Attacking Questions from Japan" : They no longer observed the laws and commandment of Creation and nature. They procreated in an unreasonable, unlawful and despicable manner, which resulted in an overpopulation of planet Kudra, whose inhabitants could no longer feed and sustain themselves. Consequently, millions of spaceships were fully loaded with people and sent on a voyage into the vastness of the universe, to find new living space and new inhabitable planets. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1029
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2019 - 12:29 am: |
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You hit the right chord, Scott.
But the source of today's overpopulation goes even much further back. CR 251 tells us that "those of the creator overlords who became the benefactors" originated from two overpopulated planets in the Sirius region:
“… they were the benefactors who identified favourably with the genetically manipulated people, and they assisted them in their escape. Their origins are traced to two different overpopulated planets in the Sirius regions where everyone was prohibited from procreating. As a result, every child born was murdered *) and the offending parents were sterilized and banished…” **)
My conclusion - The real reason that overpopulation is such an unending saga is that mankind has yet to grasp the idea that man's life is a part of universal life (OMEDAM = law fulfilling). As long as we teach and promote to hoard material pleasures and riches we will never get the idea to seek and live in accordance with the creational laws.
So until a new truth and a new self-image becomes man's basic life motivation there cannot be any true progress - no matter to what planet Earth humans may emigrate.
Salome, Bill
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It is abhorrent to think of it - but maybe the creator overlords, instead of murdering born children of offending parents, genetically modified some of them to become slave warriors?
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http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/15841.html#POST83666 |
Niko_sulonen
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2019 - 01:14 am: |
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Scott,
Yes that's true, but I see it as part of the problem. Instead of taking responsibility in saving their own planet, they set out to find new planets on which to continue their insane breeding and create new destruction. I understand that finding new living space might have been the only way to ensure the survival of their species and we might have to do that too in the future, but the insanity and destruction will continue and can only be stopped when we finally meet our demise or when we finally become responsible.
Salome,
Niko
I recognize my path, which is the truth and living in accordance with it. I carry out my mission for life and for the fulfillment of life. I abide by the creational laws and recommendations, which reign in me as true love and wisdom.
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 519
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2019 - 08:37 am: |
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I agree as well with everyone's "solution" to the overpopulation, however, thinking logically, elimination is the only option and suspension of personalities, keep them in "holding" for an indefinite length of time, until we slumber. Our original modifications may have "tainted" our abilities to reach a balance as it does with all other species. Meaning, when man interferes it does more harm than good.
MsMichelle
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Votan
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Post Number: 939
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2019 - 05:58 pm: |
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Corey
It is a well known fact that there is more water underground than on top of earth.
It is just a matter of getting to it. Water is produced in abundance under the earth.
joe
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Corey
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Post Number: 546
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2019 - 09:41 pm: |
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• When oh when will the world governments authorize the GBV?
• Here is a map above of Canada whose majority of Canadian people live along the border of Canada and the United States. Already 53 of 167 sub-watersheds are facing high or very high levels of water stress as a direct result of cause and effect due to population levels (a high population density that exceeds 12 humans per square kilometer).
• The heavily populous country of India is in dire shape for water stress with no sign of slowing down and curbing population growth, which water disappears as a result of the natural cause and effect (which will also cause food shortages). 54% of India faces severe water stress currently, and according to a CNN report in 2030 40% of the country could run out of water such as recently now in 2019 Chennai (India's 6th largest city) has run out of water. India is way out of balance with the 12 humans per sq kilometer recommendation which throws off the natural equilibrium and programs cause and effect reaps that will claim Indian lives.
• The United Kingdom is Europe's most populous country, and it is facing severe water stress in it's south eastern low lying coasts that is rated at "serious".
• As a result of the Earth breaking up in some parts, England will be devoured by the sea (sentence 122 of Sfath's 1948 predictions) and the low-lying British coasts will experience upheavals and partly sink into the sea (sentence 296 and 297 of Sfath's 1948 predictions). Above is a map of the elevation of the United Kingdom so one can get an idea where these low-lying coasts are. I regret to remind you that the SE water stress areas are also low-lying, and (over) populous which must draw in future cause and effect reaps that will claim human lives.
1 hectare = 0.01 square kilometers.
• Japan, which a large part will be devoured by the sea (sentence 122 of Sfath's 1948 predictions) has a population density of 336 people per square kilometer. Japan has high population centers where the people will be in grave danger when the time comes.
• I am not picking on one particular country nor another, as our entire globe is guilty of overpopulation which violates creational law. It is my desire to showcase our global epidemic of exceeding 12 humans per square kilometer, or 529,000,000 million total humans, which programs future cause and effect reaps, and it is my duty to showcase these reaps whether current, or what may lie ahead distantly. Emphasis on humane, as we will all have to face the natural damage together.
310. "Some countries will become desolated
because desertification, that is, a progressive
formation of desert, will be in progress, which
constantly occurs due to a worsening of the soil
in relatively dry areas and has already been
taking place for a long time."
310. "Manche Länder werden veröden, weil
eine Desertifikation resp. eine fortschreitende
Wüstenbildung im Gang ist, die laufend durch
eine Verschlechterung des Bodens in relativ
trockenen Gebieten zustande kommt und schon
seit langer Zeit stattfindet."
311. "This desertification occurs due to various
factors, including the climate change that has
been going on for several centuries, but on a
large scale primarily through human activities."
311. "Diese Desertifikation ergibt sich durch
unterschiedliche Faktoren einschliesslich des
seit einigen Jahrhunderten laufenden
Klimawandels, wie aber in grossem Stil
hauptsächlich durch menschliche Aktivitäten."
* = Sentences 310 and 311 of Sfath's 1948 predictions of the 670th contact conversation translated by Vivienne Legg with assistance from Mariann Uehlinger Mondria (Switzerland) and Dyson Devine and amended by FLAU. Copyright FIGU/BEAM Age of Aquarius publishing.
Sincerely,
Corey Müske (Mueske) USA.
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Hugo
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Post Number: 695
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2019 - 12:34 am: |
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Good post Corey!
I recently watched a documentary on Pakistan's current problem with water shortages in many places. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1027
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| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2019 - 08:19 am: |
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Votan,
Be cognizant of what the media and Earth scientists disseminate. This is the same mentality that is used to keep drilling for oil, “It is a known fact that there is more oil underground as the Earth produces it, keep extracting.”
Oil, water and all the other natural resources on and inside Earth are here for the proper use of all lifeforms. The human being is the only lifeform that uses more resources than it needs, overpopulation exacerbates (worsens) the problem many times over.
It’s my understanding that there is much water and oil deeper in the planet; what many do not understand is that Earth operates on the principle of Fluid dynamics, so to say. This is a complex matter that involves fluid motions that includes thermodynamics and mechanical evolution of multicomponent systems involving fluid flow and elastic flexure, natural deformation with fluids through porous materials all around the planet. In other words, removing too much oil or too much water will have catastrophic consequences; another good phrase is called, “Cause and Effect”.
Kenneth |
Corey
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Post Number: 547
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2019 - 09:15 am: |
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Good on ya Hugo! According to the articles I read Pakistan will run dry by 2025. They have a severe water crisis as a result of cause and effect.
Here is another map you may be interested in Hugo:
Sincerely,
Corey Müske (Mueske) USA.
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Cpl
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Post Number: 1139
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2019 - 09:22 am: |
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India and Pakistan have severe tensions over their Ganges water supply issues. Many world leaders find it so inflammatory that it could easily trigger WW III; and China has a military pact with Pakistan. If Pakistan goes to war against India or vice versa, China will come to Pakistan's military assistance. The stage is set, and has been for some time for the fulfilment of Billy's prophecy regarding India and China. India and china already have military aggressions taking place on their respective north and south borders that need placating.
If India nd Pakistan would reduce their populations humanely by serious birth restrictions then the water supply problem could be overcome.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Votan
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Post Number: 940
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2019 - 02:07 am: |
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Kenneth
That is incorrect with water as more is produced underground and there is no evaporation.Oil on the other hand is different because it acts as a buffer for the tectonic plates. Take out too much and earthquakes will be generated, as we are now experiencing.
joe
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2037
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2019 - 09:01 am: |
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As Eddie pointed out education of the truth is first and foremost the right approach to the overpopulation crisis but as Arahat Athersata pointed out on page 112 no. 370 earth humam lacks the courage for honesty and truth thereby the same old question posed in no 375 results in the consequences outlined in passage 376.
The greatest obstacle therefore lies in what Arahat Athersata stated in pg 110 no 364-365 in that selfishness has gotten badly out of control of the good human nature and that egoism has grown into an immensa might.
So how do you teach the masses the truth within the timeframe required to prevent all the catastrophes when they are far too gone to recognise it because of their selfishness and egoism.
You can't so the inevitable consequence is that they will have to learn the hard way through what all the natural disasters will teach them.
As more and more people in all walks of life are directly effected by all the natural disasters in ever greater numbers and frequencies the more that they will realise one by one that something is definitely not right until realisation will dawn on them that it was them and their fellow human beings en mass doing whatever they were doing to nature that all this was happening in return.
But how do you educate the masses about the laws of cause and effect and show them the close correlation between their actions such as over consumption and its impact on nature?
You can't as long as they won't listen but since human beings learn through repetition the more that people talk about it then the more that people will talk about it and in the end become the people who will eventually talk about the problems themselves and hear themselves talk about it which will reinforce the message.
Matt lee |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1028
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2019 - 06:43 pm: |
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Hi Joe, (Votan)
Well, I’ve been wrong before, I would like to find some facts. Nevertheless, there are a couple of predominate theories;
1. Planet Earth makes its own water from scratch deep in the mantle.
2. Both comets and asteroids can contain ice; by colliding with Earth, they added the amount of material some scientists suspect have delivered oceans' worth of water.
To my knowledge, neither theory has been proven to be fact by Earth scientists? In searching through FIGU archives and the contact notes, nothing is found stating either theory to be fact. Nonetheless, there is much information about lack of good water due to overpopulation. If your statement aligns with the Plejaren scientists; that would hold more water; (pun intended). Can you point me to a contact report that explains your theory of Earth making its own water?
The Earth is overpopulated now, one would think that the lack of water in some areas may be preventing more birth rates to some degree? Yes, there is apparently water very deep in the Earth. If that water could be accessed (not mentioning other risks), how would this work AGAINST overpopulation? It would in fact in my opinion, do just the opposite.
Kenneth |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1060
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2019 - 08:08 pm: |
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Kenneth,
Don't remember the CR, but Billy was having a discussion about the actual forming of water and the discussion mentioned silicate(?) ...memory isn't providing me the exact mineral responsible from the conversation.
With all the impact on the psyche caused by the exploding population, these heat waves and dangerous droughts will definitely wake people up.
I'm sure world governments are starting to really take notice now.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Votan
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Post Number: 941
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2019 - 09:47 pm: |
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Hi Kenneth.
I remember reading about it somewhere years back.Not everything is in the contact report. If you ask the Plejarens they will confirm what I said.
Being so deep it might be hard with our technology to access it.
joe
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Patm
Member
Post Number: 696
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 29, 2019 - 07:30 am: |
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for those interested regarding the origin of water on the earth:
FIGU Special Bulletin No. 88 (April 2015)
Excerpt from contact 603, 14-Dec-2014
original German source:
https://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/sonder-bulletin/2015/nr-88/auszug-603?page=0,1
my English translation (which may contain errors) is as follows:
Billy:
Good, then I want to take up something that I have interest in, which your father Sfath has said to me already and about which however also you, Quetzal, and Semjase have spoken with me, that there is namely various material comets, like for example stone comets, metal comets, pure mineral comets, and ice comets, whereby you have also said, that water is not simply water, because there are various combinations regarding this. Insofar as, everything is clear to me, yet now it indeed by the Rosetta probe i.e. Philae probe became established on (landed on) the comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko , that this is hard-core and additionally covered with a thick tough layer of dust, and is fully different than you have explained to me in regard to comets. Therefore the question, whether water is existing or not, can become established nevertheless?
Billy:
Gut, dann will ich etwas aufgreifen, das, weil ich mich dafür interessierte, mir schon dein Vater Sfath gesagt hat und worüber aber auch du, Quetzal und Semjase mit mir gesprochen haben, dass es nämlich verschieden materielle Kometen gibt, wie z.B. Gesteins-, Metall-, reine Mineralien- und Eiskometen, wobei ihr auch gesagt habt, dass Wasser nicht einfach Wasser sei, weil es diesbezüglich verschiedene Zusammensetzungen gebe. Soweit ist mir alles klar, doch nun wurde ja bei der Rosetta- resp. Philae-Sonde auf dem Kometen 67P/Tschurjumov-Gerasimenko festgestellt, dass dieser knallhart und zudem mit einer dicken Staubschicht bedeckt und völlig anders ist, als ihr mir in bezug auf Kometen erklärt habt. Daher die Frage, ob denn trotzdem festgestellt werden kann, ob Wasser vorhanden ist?
Ptaah:
32. On the one hand it is correct that water need not be the same water, i.e. H2O, because there are still other chemical compositions regarding this, and on the other hand it must be said, that the comet 67P / Churyumov–Gerasimenko belongs to another kind, than those, which have brought water to the Earth earth, because these were namely ice comets and thus not comets of rock like that one, on which the Philae probe had landed.
32. Einerseits ist es richtig, dass Wasser nicht gleich Wasser resp. H20 sein muss, denn es gibt diesbezüglich noch andere chemische Zusammensetzungen, und anderseits muss gesagt sein, dass der Komet 67P/ Tschurjumov-Gerasimenko einer anderen Art angehört als jenen, welche Wasser auf die Erde gebracht haben, denn diese waren nämlich Eiskometen und also nicht Gesteinskometen wie der, auf dem die Philae-Sonde gelandet wurde.
33. What now becomes analyzed through the probe on the comet and will become discovered, which I have not explored in advance, yet despite the near-accident of the probe, it will be unquestionable, that certain important data sets for the terrestrial scientists are expected.
33. Was nun durch die Sonde auf dem Kometen analysiert und entdeckt werden wird, das habe ich nicht vorauserkundet, doch wird trotz der Beinahe-Havarie der Sonde unzweifelhaft sein, dass gewisse für die irdischen Wissenschaftler wichtige Daten zu erwarten sind.
34. And if you speak of asteroids, which likewise have brought water to the early earth, then that corresponds naturally to the rightness, whereby however it must become understood that not only these were responsible for the emergence of water on the earth, rather also the small and smallest water containing minerals, which fell down from the outer space on the earth.
34. Und wenn du Asteroiden ansprichst, die ebenfalls Wasser auf die frühe Erde gebracht haben, dann entspricht das natürlich der Richtigkeit, wobei jedoch verstanden werden muss, dass nicht nur diese für das Aufkommen des Wassers auf der Erde verantwortlich waren, sondern auch kleine und kleinste wasserenthaltende Mineralien, die aus dem Weltenraum auf die Erde niederfielen.
35. It must be understood also that water has developed itself on the earth, consequently therefore not everything was brought here from the outer space via comets, asteroids, and minerals, because like on every planet prevailed at early times, also on the earth, an innate chemical process with its own dynamics in regard to the origination of water, consequently also the greatest part of the water is created on the planet itself.
35. Zu verstehen muss auch sein, dass sich auf der Erde selbst Wasser entwickelt hat, folglich also nicht alles durch Kometen, Asteroiden und Mineralien aus dem Weltenraum hergebracht wurde, denn wie auf jedem Planeten herrschte zu frühen Zeiten auch auf der Erde eine chemische Eigendynamik in bezug auf das Entstehen von Wasser, folglich auch der grösste Teil der Wasser auf dem Planeten selbst entstanden ist.
36. The water, that was brought via comets and asteroids to the earth is however small in relation to the large bodies of water - like seas - which through chemical processes of the earth and its atmosphere and climate and so on, is created on the planets themselves as well as through outer-space-influences.
36. Das Wasser, das durch Kometen und Asteroiden auf die Erde gebracht wurde, ist im Verhältnis zu den grossen Wassern - wie Meeren - jedoch gering, die durch chemische Prozesse der Erde und deren Atmosphäre und Klima usw. sowie durch Weltenraumeinflüsse auf dem Planeten selbst entstanden sind.
Billy:
Yes, Sfath, your father, already said that, yet the scientists of the earth are of the irrational insight, that all water had been brought here from outer space because they are not able themselves to imagine, that the water developed itself through distinct chemical processes also from out of the planets themselves. Then however still this; In the Milky Way, planets tumble around, which don’t circle around a home star, like for example the former destroyer as well as the dark planet, which as 'Nemesis' also cause headaches for the terrestrial scientists. I indeed know from you about the actual existence of such dark planets or 'ghost planets' as Sfath has once called them, which you however also called wandering planets, which wander around as great isolated outer space bodies in the Milky Way and also in the outer universe and even in the area of the SOL-system, whereby even the dark planet 'Nemesis' shall also penetrate always again into the inner solar system. Ten such freely wandering planets were discovered now by scientists, whereby they describe these as 'orphan planets', and they estimate that, there shall be double as many, as there are stars. Astrophysicists say that it deals with large and Jupiter-like planets, which can be several times larger than Jupiter itself. These formations wander through the universe and through the Milky Way, because they are held in orbit by no sun. These 'orphan planets', so the scientists believe, are possibly, like said, more common than stars.
Billy:
Ja, das sagte schon Sfath, dein Vater, doch die Wissenschaftler der Erde sind der irrigen Ansicht, dass alles Wasser aus dem Weltenraum hergebracht worden sei, weil sie sich nicht vorstellen können, dass sich Wasser durch bestimmte chemische Prozesse auch aus Planeten selbst heraus entwickelt. Dann aber noch dies: In der Milchstrasse tummeln sich Planeten, die nicht um einen Heimatstern kreisen, wie z.B. der ehemalige Zerstörer sowie der Dunkelplanet, der als <nemesis> auch den irdischen Wissenschaftlern Kopfzerbrechen bereitet. Von euch weiss ich ja um die tatsächliche Existenz solcher Dunkelplaneten oder <geisterplaneten>, wie sie Sfath einmal genannt hat, die ihr aber auch Wanderplaneten nennt, die als grosse einsame Weltenraumkörper in der Milchstrasse und auch im äusseren Weltenall und gar im Gebiet des SOL-Systems umherziehen, wobei eben der Dunkelplanet <nemesis> auch immer wieder einmal in das innere Sonnensystem eindringen soll. Zehn solche frei umherwandernde Planeten wurden nun von Wissenschaftlern entdeckt, wobei sie diese als <waisen-planeten> bezeichnen und schätzen, dass es doppelt so viele wie Sterne geben soll. Astrophysiker sagen, dass es sich um grosse und jupiterähnliche Planeten handle, die bis zu mehrfach grösser sein können als der Jupiter selbst. Diese Gebilde geistern durch das Weltenall und durch die Milchstrasse, weil sie von keiner Sonne in einer Bahn festgehalten werden. Diese <waisen-planeten>, so meinen die Wissenschaftler, seien möglicherweise - wie gesagt - häufiger als Sterne.
Hope this helps
Salome
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Joe and All,
This may be of interest? Back in a 2015 FIGU blog (Darcy) made a comment; “hydrogen plus oxygen creates water.” But this is not the same as the Earth makes water. Performing another extensive search; nothing turned up from the Contact Reports pertaining to the Earth creating water? It is pretty obvious that potable water (safe to drink) is consumed faster than nature can clean it up; all due to overpopulation.
We never know, in the future, Earth scientists may discover a way that Earth actually creates water from other sources?
However, I did find this information dated January 27, 2014 in a SpaceDotcom article.
According to Dr. Hope Ishii, an astromaterials scientist at the University of Hawaii:
“Solar wind can form water on interplanetary dust, potentially adding to the primordial soup that gave rise to life on Earth.
On Earth, there is life virtually everywhere water is found. Past research suggests much of this water may have come to Earth from comets raining down on the planet. But scientists have suggested another source of water in the airless void of space — the continuous flow of charged particles from the sun, a stream known as the solar wind."
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"The creation of water via the solar wind could help explain the presence of water on the moon and on asteroids. The wind could also have formed water on interplanetary dust, which, in turn, could have rained water down on Earth and other rocky planets.
Dr. Hope Ishii, an astromaterials scientist at the University of Hawaii stated that present day Earth receives about 30,000 to 40,000 tons of interplanetary dust per year. This amount is thought to have been considerably higher when the Earth was young, because there was more interplanetary dust drifting through the solar system.
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"We have shown that solar wind production of water actually happens."
The scientists analyzed interplanetary dust collected in the dry stratosphere at an altitude of about 12 miles (20 kilometers). Using flags coated in silicone oil mounted on the wing pylons of NASA aircraft, researchers gathered these particles as they rained down from above.
Dr. Hope Ishii and her colleagues used a state-of-the-art transmission aberration-corrected electron microscope to analyze the surface layers of this interplanetary dust. This strategy helped them look for water inside these particles on the scale of nanometers, or billionths of a meter. (For comparison, a human hair is on average about 100,000 nanometers wide.)
The scientists detected water in the rims of interplanetary dust particles normally thought of as lacking water."
"We have shown for the first time that water and organics are delivered together," Ishii said.”
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How the Earth Produces Oil
NOTE: The following excerpt explains that the earth produces oil at a certain rate in an ongoing process, effectively dispelling the idea that petroleum is simply the fossilized remains of dinosaurs, etc. This is also being depleted; directly due to overpopulation.
http://www.theyfly.com/How_Earth_Produces_Oil.htm |
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