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    Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2034 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks for your views Chris. For me at least in regards to how I came to such declarative and definitive conclusions about these national parks not to factor in the mainstream science was akin to making the mistake of not corroborating the Billy Meier contact case with mainstream scientific findings but paradoxically to rely solely on the current scientific paradigm inevitably leads you to conclusion that its all a hoax and thus coming away with the wrong conclusions and missing out on the truth. So any would-be investigator is stuck between a rock and a hard place as the greatest challenge posed by the Meier contact case as it would be for my conclusions is the limitation already set by the inadequacies of the mainstream science of the day along with stuck opinions and preconceived biases set by the specialist idiots who've read themselves to stupidity on certain matters. Now any honest would-be investigator to the Meier's contact case as it would be the same for my findings would have to be very clinical in the way that they deal with the evidence presented and to truly be honest with themselves lest he be accused of cherry picking his data to either support or dismiss a claim. So Chris can you state confidently that you have done an honest research into the matters that which I have presented to be 100 percent certain of your own conclusions or are you coming from the typical mainstream scientific paradigm of learned academic group think to wholly dismiss my claim based on your own biases? I don't know about you but I try to tread carefully on any ground and just deal with the facts and not the sentiment. During the process of my investigation I have concluded that mainstream science on certain matters cannot be trusted at all as unequivocal evidence has shown me that they have the habit of suppressing finding that they cannot explain themselves and any conclusions that they cannot adequately refute gets the silent treatment. Thus the truth gets buried out of existence through unacknowledgement. So lets deal with the evidence one by one How would you explain the straight razor sharp grooves, marks and striations on some of these rocks from the photos below taking into consideration the 5 principles of geology? "Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world. "So the problem is not so much to see what nobody has yet seen, as to think what nobody has yet thought concerning that which everybody sees. Arthur Schopenhauer "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Mahatma Gandhi       | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1132 Registered: 08-2004 |
All, While The Destroyer was "impaired" from its natural course to here, I never read that as being necessarily intended; I had always considered it an accident. So again there is a reason for the Plejaren to request a correction to it's path. Does anyone know for sure whether The Destroyer was sent here on purpose or whether it came here as the result of an accident? Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1133 Registered: 08-2004 |
Votan, Read the Apophis thread. It's all there. Also the comic strip covers it. Our scientists have enough to go on and start detailed experiments. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1134 Registered: 08-2004 |
Matt, I see no need to add to what I said previously. I do not have claims or conclusions here; you do. I do think the geological evidence is far more convincing than your zealous enthusiasm for your claims that lack any real evidence. I am all ears for any real evidence, but I don't consider your photos, beautiful as they are, proof of anything man-made -- except the early one with primitive glyphs on it, which is interesting. We are perhaps all critics of certain aspects of conventional science here, but I certainly don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. I was also probably one of the very earliest keen purchasers of Forbidden Archeology, when it first came out decades ago. Finally, it is your "investigation," not mine. So I leave it with you. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2918 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Chris, I'm not sure what you were trying to say, were you implying that the "Destroyer" could have intentionally been sent here and if thats not the case, then it was due to an accident, which caused its arrival into our solar system? My understanding is that it is somewhat of a natural occurrence although the Plejaren were able to increase its orbital period so it would not impact earth for over 1000 years, but were not given permission to destroy it.... | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 689 Registered: 07-2006 |
Regarding the 'Destroyer' origin and the havoc it caused on Earth and in our solar system see Contact 5: 39-139 at: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_005 Salome PatM | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1020 Registered: 04-2013 |
Cpl, All, My opinion only; The Plejaren have said, "Actually, hyperspace may only be penetrated very far in outer space, otherwise, planets would be pulled in." Reading through all of the relating Contact Notes; the Destroyer planet could have been accidentally sent on the destructive course by entering or exiting hyperspace? See Destroyer planet a.k.a. the Great Comet of 1680 Semjase: 44. For example, when we leave our Pleiades and require about seven hours to get to Earth, then seven hours pass on our own planet and on Earth, as well. 45. It takes us this long because we must first fly with the normal drive beyond the reach of the planets; only then, faraway in space, can we convert to hyperspeed. 46. A long way from your solar system, we exit hyperspace and convert to normal propulsion as we continue to fly here. 47. We are never allowed to penetrate hyperspace too close to a planet. 49. Actually, hyperspace may only be penetrated very far in outer space, otherwise, planets would be pulled in. 50. Also, concerning the exit from hyperspace, you figured it out entirely correct. 51. It is also a fact that some comets originated in this manner, but only a few; most of them were guided on their dangerous path by other natural events. 52. In this case you are only partly right when you assume that all comets originated in this manner, as you perhaps suspected. 53. But the fact is, such events are caused by irresponsibility, because it exists throughout outer space, not only on Earth. 54. Irresponsibility is evident also when new highly developed intelligences perform their first ventures into hyperspace too close to other planets. 55. The safety rule is calculable and states that hyperspeed is only to be initiated 153 million kilometers (95,625,000 miles) away from the nearest planet. http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Space_Travel  Kenneth | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 690 Registered: 07-2006 |
I think there is some confusion here: the 'Destroyer', the 'red meteor' and 'Apophis' are not the same comets they are all different. First of all Semjase's info was not quite accurate (see my previous post re: contact 5). This was corrected by Quetzal in contact 150: 472-ff. Oct 10,1981 see: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_150 Also explained in contact 150:491-521 was that the 'Destroyer, the 'red meteor' and the 'stranger (Apophis)' are all different. And finally regarding the 'Destroyer' from questions to Billy archives, Jan 25, 2014: Dear Billy and Christian, I was doing a bit of calculating about the destroyer comet and the movement of Venus, that moved this planetary body from Uranus 8590 years ago. 1051 years past before the comet moved Venus once again. After this a long time of 2848 years past before another return of the destroyer comet. After this only a short time of 605 years past before the return, then 1773 years past to make the destroyer comets last appearance in this SOL system in the year 1680. My question is, if this is possible to be answered, based on these calculations, will the destroyer comet return in the year 2255 after only 575 years to possibly influence Venus and its orbit once more? or has this particular comet been removed from our SOL system by the Plejaren? As was spoken about in the contact notes. Thank you for your time, I appreciate your response as well as all that you have done, are doing, and are about to do, for the spread of knowledge of the truth on this planet called Earth. Saalome, Marcus The destroyer comet will not return because it has been influenced by the Plejaren onto a course which leads it away from Earth. Salome PatM | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1020 Registered: 04-2013 |
Patm, Ah yes; ...the dimension gate as also mentioned by Newinitiation and maybe others as well. Semjase: "129. The Destroyer himself drifted by a few units from his old course and shot past the sun in dangerous proximity, back into the expanses of the space, in order to take the same path as long times before the small planet did, consequently it also passed the dimension gate created by technically highly advanced human beings' hands and came into the space-time configuration of our DERN universe and into the area of the Milky Way and thus also into the SOL system." Contact 5: 39-139 : http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_005 Kenneth | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2035 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Chris I didn't expect anyone to have made up their minds already just because I have otherwise they haven't done their due diligence either way. I am at an advantage though because I have done the field research which is far superior of a method than sitting in front a computer and taking a cursory glance at some photos to make up my mind. As they say extraordinary claim require extraordinary evidence and this is one evidence which I would at least think supports my claim that some of the stones on these sites are definitely manmade. At the bottom of this UFO looking rock there appears to be signs of moulding just like the indication we see of left over cement solidified with some smaller rock mixed in with some sand. At the end of the day it's all about the pursuit of the truth and that is where I have my dog in the fight or any way or means by which I can ultimate get Billy info out to the public directly, indirectly, obliquely or even upside down.  | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1135 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hello Scott, I guess I didn't make myself clear. It seemed to me that others were implying that the Destroyer was intentionally brought here. That could have been a misperception on my part, so I asked whether anyone knew whether it had been brought here intentionally, or by accident. By accident I also meant it just coming through a dimensional doorway naturally; the dimensional doorway being that which was intentionally created for other purposes. Hello PatM, The Red Meteor is the "stranger" according to CR 150 v 491-494, and the Red meteor is Apophis according to CR 475 (also page 3486 in the original notes). While mentioning this, I'd also like to thank you very much for your abundant useful postings. I have often intended but omitted to do this. Votan, CR 475 also tells our scientists what to do about Apophis. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1021 Registered: 04-2013 |
Chris, Your said, "The Red Meteor is the "stranger" according to CR 150 v 491-494, and the Red meteor is Apophis according to CR 475 (also page 3486 in the original notes)." This is my understanding as well. Nonetheless, the Red Meteor, MN2004, 99942, Apophis are all referring to the same issue. Kenneth | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 935 Registered: 12-2011 |
Cpl I still feel that if they are genuine in their attempts to help then they should deflect it. After all it in their territory and not ours. joe | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1030 Registered: 04-2011 |
Re. “The Ambiguity of Egypt” http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/14199.html#POST76862 There is one point missing that should be added: Egypt – especially its famous Libraries in Alexandria and Thebes - was a treasure of “Atlantis Knowledge” not only because of the many fleeing Atlanteans from Great Atlantis that wanted to have their knowledge preserved – it was as well (what Edgar Cayce would not mention in his writings) very close to Little Atlantis (Santorini) whose civilisation only perished much later (1453 BCE) when the Destroyer planet, dragging Venus away from Neptune, caused enormous destruction on Earth... | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1034 Registered: 04-2011 |
From the Plejaren Contact Reports Block 12 / Page 347 (My translation may contain errors) Billy: ….But I'm also interested in something else: An ancestor on your part was a YHWH named Ptah, and he was married to a woman named Basth. That's what you once said to me at the beginning of our contacts, whereby [but] I did not ask for a further explanation. But now I'm interested in [finding out] where the two lived, because despite a long search [much searching], I found nothing in all my mythology books. There only exists a Ptah as a deity in the Egyptian myths, first [and foremost] as the local deity of Memphis. Later he was worshiped as the creator god and was especially considered [ranked as] the god of craftsmen and artists. His wife was the goddess Sachmet. Ptaah 46. My ancestor, whose name is written <ptah>, and his wife <basth> came from my ancestry line and were for some time on earth in the South American resp. Mesoamerican area, but for both no records were kept. 47. Nonetheless, they were two important personalities, for they created contacts for the natives with ancient Egyptian pharaohs. 48. Because of that there was some trade between the Mesoamerican and South American peoples and the Egyptians, through which all sorts of goods, including specialized plant products, were exchanged. 49. The Egyptian pharaohs, in particular, wanted special herbal products from South America which essentially were nothing else but [nothing other than] drugs. 50. Ptah also arranged connections between the ancient Egyptians and countries in the East, up to present-day China. Billy: Then, even at that time, at least the progressive Egyptians would have known Central and South America and have reached these countries by ship. Up to China they could have well gone by camel caravans. Thus, the whole historiography in relation to the discovery of the Americas, that Columbus discovered America and Fernao de Magalhaes South America, is not correct. There was as well "Leif the Happy", who travelled [to] America, and that included people from him settling there. His father was <erik>. Even the early Chinese were earlier in America than Columbus. Ptaah 51. Your thoughts are correct, in all these respects. 52. The Egyptians and Chinese sailed to South, Central and North America thousands of years before the new discoverers you mentioned Billy: You have never told me anything about that. Ptaah: 53. You have never asked. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1035 Registered: 04-2011 |
German Original to CR 520 (see previous mail) Billy: …. Aber mich interessiert noch etwas anderes: Ein Vorfahre deinerseits war ein JHWH namens Ptah, und der war mit einer Frau namens Basth verheiratet. So hast du mir einmal zu Beginn unserer Kontakte gesagt, wobei ich dann nicht weiter bezüglich dieser Erklärung nachgefragt habe. Jetzt interessiert mich aber, wo die beiden gelebt haben, denn trotz langem Suchen habe in all meinen Mythologiebüchern nichts gefunden. Es existiert nur in den ägyptischen Mythen ein Ptah als menschengestaltig dargestellter Gott, und zwar zunächst als Lokalgottheit von Memphis. Später wurde er als Schöpfergott verehrt und galt besonders als Gott der Handwerkerund Künstler. Seine Gattin war die Göttin Sachmet. Ptaah: 46. Mein Vorfahre, dessen Name <ptah> geschrieben wird, sowei seine Frau Basth entstammten meiner Vorfahrenslinie und waren für einige Zeit auf der Erde im südamerikanischen resp. mesoamerikanischen Raum tätig, wobei beide jedoch keine Aufzeichnungen gemacht haben. 47. Nichtsdestoweniger waren sie jedoch zwei wichtige Persönlichkeiten, denn sie schufen Kontakte für die Einheimischen mit altägyptischen Pharaonen. 48. Dadurch kam ein gewisser Handel den mesoamerikanischen und südamerikanischen Völkern und den Ägyptern zustande, wobei allerlei Waren, auch spezielle Pflanzenprodukte, untereinander ausgetauscht wurden. 49. Besonders die Pharaonen wollten spezielle pflanzliche Produkte aus Südamerika, die grundlegend nichts anderes als Drogen waren. 50. Ptah arrangierte auch Verbindungen zwischen den alten Ägyptern und Ländern im Osten, und zwar bis ins heutige China. Billy: Dann müssten ja schon damals zumindest die fortschrittlichen Ägypter Mittel und Südamerika gekannt und diese Länder per Schiff erreicht haben. Bis nach China hätten sie wohl mit Kamel- karawanen gehen können. Demnach stimmt die ganze Geschichtsschreibung nicht in bezug auf die Entdeckung des amerikanischen Kontinents, dass Columbus Amerika and Fernao de Magalhaes Südamerika entdeckt haben. Da war ja auch noch <leif>, der Amerika bereiste, wobei auch Leute von ihm dort siedelten. Sein Vater war <erik>. Auch die frühen Chinesen waren früher als Columbus in Amerika. Ptaah: 51. Deine Gedanken entsprechen der Richtigkeit, und zwar in allen genannten Hinsichten. 52. Die Ägypter und Chinesen schifften schon Jahrtausende vor den von dir genannten Entdeckern nach Süd-, Mittel- und Nordamerika. Billy: Darüber habt ihr mir nie etwas gesagt. Ptaah: Du hast auch nie danach gefragt. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1036 Registered: 04-2011 |
NB This information from Ptaah is really Opening up many new insights: To begin with, would it not make sense that pyramid buildings very similar to those in Egypt are found in Mesoamerica and all over the world? And maybe Edgar Cayce's readings (re. the "Great Congress held during the age of the destruction of enormous animals" and the pick up of representatives in 50,722 BCE *)) - they were right? *) See close to the end of: forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13453.html#POST72691 | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2042 Registered: 07-2005 |
That's very interesting information that our mainstream historians and archeologist should pay closer attention to Bill. Its an established fact not accepted by mainstream academia that the Egyptians sailed across the world even oossible to Australia where we find glyphs etched in stone. But speaking of the Chinese I didn't quite read from anywhere in Billy's literature so far who the people of Mu and Agartha/Agarthi were. I tend to think that it was the Chinese or different groups of the yellow race plus the Ayrans or the dark skinned Indians. Mu is not covered that much by Billy but its good to know that people are discovering ancient structures and artifacts in the Gobi desert so the Atlantians didn't destroy everything afterall. Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2044 Registered: 07-2005 |
In Tambomachay Peru there are melted stonework within the polygonal masonry that has baffled many observers. To me its just an indication of high technology our mainstream academia find hard to accept given their stuck biases. Without sophisticated and advance technology you simply cannot achieve the level of precision exhibited by the lost ancient civilisations. It gets back to what Billy has said over decades in that eatthlings are like stubborn cattle in that they aren't teachable and will not liten. I mean you have a indisputable proof right before your very eyes in Tambomachay of melted stone yet people with their phantasmogorified heads will find a million different reason not to accept reality as it is and rationalize it away as something other than what it is. The remification of the anomaly at Tambomachay extends to the rest of the world and is applicable to all the great ancient structures and artifacts not to mention works carried out on the already existing natural monuments in that sophisticated and highly advanced technology were used to build and carve them. Just looking at how precise the whole section of a stone gully and hills were carved straight and plum at various sites in petra instills awe but also the possibilities afforded to these ancients and how possible that other sites around the world were also carved and built using the technology that they've had. More and more as I look at the precise and straight carved marks at our own blue mountains and the sheer scale of the possible engineering works performed at this national park leads me to conclude that the giant face at the blue mountains was indeed the work of our ancient lost civilizations that traverse the globe building these manmade structures onto the natural formations and exchanging ideas and technology with one another. Possible candidates who was responsible for building these structures and natural manmade monuments are the gertrudes and the various 200 scientists under different gods from different eras who ruled at the time. Having been banished and had to live among the native earthlings they must've taught them much more than mere crafts and arts as stated on Omafalon Murado. Matt lee | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1037 Registered: 04-2011 |
Yes, Matt. It could explain the Egyptian carvings you showed in the Australian rocks. (Why would someone use Egyptian hieroglyphs in outback Australia for a prank?) Maybe a prehistoric Egyptian did want to leave a note for posterity? Not quite sure what kind of ships the prehistoric Egyptians then may have had, but then again the Library of Alexandria held much more "Non-Stone-Age" knowledge. And perhaps Ptah explained them the secret of the trade winds! It would explain that many Egyptian discoveries were used all over the world. It would explain the pyramidical shaped burial mounds of early Chinese emperors. And the Egyptian-like mummifications used by the Incas and other cultures. And many, many more. Even the mystery *) of the 2 matching vases (from Troy and Tihuanaca) would – on the basis of Ptaah’s statement - point to H. Schliemann’s insight just before he died: “I have come to the conclusion that Atlantis was not only a great territory between America and the west coast of Africa and Europe, but the cradle of all our civilization as well…” It is truly sad that we do not receive more historical details from the times of Atlantis. Maybe there is a reason that only world’s current (esp. political) issues are in the foreground. But with so many Atlantis re-incarnations in our present day **) it would not surprise if our politics today are but a “rerun what happened then” … Salome, Bill *) Post 299: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13898.html#POST76609 *) Post 574 : http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/15625.html#POST81080 | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1039 Registered: 04-2011 |
Dear Moderators, I kindly ask to re-place/re-publish post 1038 (which - for unknown reasons - was cut to pieces) Thank you. Below the post that I sent to you before clicking your push button "Post this Message". (I really wonder what or who may have caused this...) NB (to post 1037 above): Edgar Cayce gave life readings for ca. 1600 different people. 700 of them (= ca. 44 %) had incarnations in Atlantis that affected their present day lives. However, the real no. should be much higher: EC only mentioned those incarnations in his readings that affected the present day life of his clients most or was related to the question the client asked him to give a reading for. So many more of EC's 1600 clients may have had an incarnation in Atlantis but he did not mention it as it did not impact on their present life or was not related to the reading. | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 943 Registered: 12-2011 |
I read quite a lot about Edgar Cayce life and find it a bit difficult to understand how he received his gift. Apparently he laid his head on a bible of all things and he received his gift.Did he have other interventions from other means. joe | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1040 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Votan, ==How He Received His "Gift"== Edgar Cayce explained that from youth on he had a deep urge to help humanity. This deep, strong and unselfish desire, he said, was the key that opened him the insight in the Akashic Records. ==Religion== Billy's CRs will tell you religion is in the genes, most of us would inherit when we come to this world. And yes, Edgar Cayce was religious – it was his upbringing and daily life. But his readings contained many parts that were not in line with rel. dogma. E.g. he may refer sometimes to bible verses as a way of explaining the meaning of parts of his readings and he may frequently call Jmmanuel the Prince of Peace to explain the dates of events in his readings. But in many other parts he speaks of the “Creative Forces” as the highest universal entity and his readings, they all confirm re-incarnation. ==Life Readings== Most convincing, however, is the proven success of his many life readings. I think it was some 90+ % of his clients that were helped and got a better understanding of the problems in their daily lives, their physical and mental ailments, by knowing the causes they made in past lives. ==Predictions Closely Match Billy’s== In addition I have found that Edgar Cayce’s predictions of future events match or are very close to major parts of Billy’s predictions – from the evaluation of colours/auras to the melting of the polar ice sheets, the rise of sea levels affecting Japan, the US etc. And both, Billy and Ptaah, came to the conclusion that his insight about the objectives of a major w.'power was spot on: “I pondered this [i.e. Edgar Cayce's] prophecy thoroughly and made preliminary assessments that confirmed Edgar Cayce's statement…” Billy in 1995’s Bulletin. That is why I have often quoted EC. Salome, Bill Some references http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/16322.html#POST84471 http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/16322.html#POST85947 forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/15980.html#POST84621 |
