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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1029
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Monday, July 29, 2019 - 11:53 am: | 
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Ah yes, there you go Joe. Thanks PatM. It was in the German language of course.
35. It must be understood also that water has developed itself on the earth, consequently therefore not everything was brought here from the outer space via comets, asteroids, and minerals, because like on every planet prevailed at early times, also on the earth, an innate chemical process with its own dynamics in regard to the origination of water, consequently also the greatest part of the water is created on the planet itself.
35. Zu verstehen muss auch sein, dass sich auf der Erde selbst Wasser entwickelt hat, folglich also nicht alles durch Kometen, Asteroiden und Mineralien aus dem Weltenraum hergebracht wurde, denn wie auf jedem Planeten herrschte zu frühen Zeiten auch auf der Erde eine chemische Eigendynamik in bezug auf das Entstehen von Wasser, folglich auch der grösste Teil der Wasser auf dem Planeten selbst entstanden ist.
36. The water, that was brought via comets and asteroids to the earth is however small in relation to the large bodies of water - like seas - which through chemical processes of the earth and its atmosphere and climate and so on, is created on the planets themselves as well as through outer-space-influences.
36. Das Wasser, das durch Kometen und Asteroiden auf die Erde gebracht wurde, ist im Verhältnis zu den grossen Wassern - wie Meeren - jedoch gering, die durch chemische Prozesse der Erde und deren Atmosphäre und Klima usw. sowie durch Weltenraumeinflüsse auf dem Planeten selbst entstanden sind.
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Cpl
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Post Number: 1143
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 29, 2019 - 07:48 pm: |
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I also remember reading that, Votan. It was in a discussion about our planets resources, and I think it was mostly covering oil but also mentioned water. I thought this was discussed in the 80s, but my memory is not infallible on this. Water is definitely produced within the planet as a natural process, and maybe even by more than one process.
I also seem to remember being surprised at the time that Billy confirmed the expanding earth idea, that the earth is slowly expanding partly due to the naturally produced water within it and this in part accounts for the continental drift. I think the discussion also confirmed abiotic oil, though I'm not sure it mentioned it by that name.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Hugo
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Post Number: 696
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 - 12:57 am: |
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"- which through chemical processes of the earth and its atmosphere and climate and so on, is created on the planets themselves as well as through outer-space-influences."
Patm, I think Ptaah didn't make it clear enough there with regards to the mechanism how water is mostly created on planets atmosphere. It is done through repeated heated and cooling of the atmosphere.
Vestri
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Username: Vestri
Hi Billy,
I was watching a recent scientific documentary on how our planet was formed and the scientists in it really didn't know how our water got here. They said that one of the greatest mysteries in science is how all the water on Earth got here. Can you explain this. Thanks
Actually scientists know about the origin of our water. It was brought to here by comets and through the effects of cold and heat between planet and outer space. And of course chemical processes were also involved.
http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi?pg=next&topic=12&page=8547 |
Hoota_thunk
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Post Number: 77
Registered: 07-2017
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 - 08:01 am: |
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Is it beyond our thinking to think that maybe the most common element in the Earths crust required the addition of the least element to arrive before the reaction was set in it's ways?
Andrew Grimshaw
- The Quiet Revolution Of Truth -
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2038
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 - 03:25 am: |
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According to the Creational laws and recommendations abortion equates to murder.
Thats only after the spirit incarnates the foetus.
The correct figure is 21 days.
It takes the spirit 21 days after inception when it incarnates into a human body.
So any abortions performed before the spirit incarnates into a human foetus does not constitute murder.
But I wonder given the huge overpopulation problem here on earth and many unwanted and unplanned pregnancies due to so many factors whether abortion is still acceptable or whether the masses of women must force themselves to birth the child even if they are raped or cannot support the child under any circumstances.
Billy did state that under some circumstances such as the pregnancy posing a threat to the life of the mother and parents not being able to take care of the child that abortion is acceptable.
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Votan
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Post Number: 942
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 - 05:19 pm: |
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Newinitiation.
Has billy explained why is it murder after the spirit comes in.The spirit cannot feel murder?
joe
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1033
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, August 01, 2019 - 12:00 am: |
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Hi Matt,
Not many women may do pregnancy tests in time - most would only find out that they are pregnant after ca. 28 days...
Salome, Bill |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1030
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Thursday, August 01, 2019 - 07:34 am: |
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According to the Mayo Clinic; the menstrual cycle, which is counted from the first day of one period to the first day of the next, isn't the same for every woman. Menstrual flow might occur every 21 to 35 days and last two to seven days. For the first few years after menstruation begins, long cycles are common. Nonetheless a menstrual cycle/period is about once every month. A typical menstrual cycle is about 28 days.
Then, according to a 1986 government research project, pertaining to the synchronous relationship between the menstrual cycle and lunar rhythm (moon) was confirmed by investigative data, laboratory findings, and clinical experience. Among the 826 female volunteers with a normal menstrual cycle (ages 16-25), a large proportion of menstruations occurred around the new moon (28.3%), while at other times during the lunar month, the proportion of menstruations occurring ranged between 8.5-12.6%; the difference was significant (P0.01)…
Apparently this is also linked to birthrates? If this is all factual; what would the predictions be if Earth still had two moons? It’s interesting how the human body and psyche are effected by so many factors, many still unknown. |
Konrad
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, August 01, 2019 - 12:57 pm: |
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Billy about abortion:
https://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/bulletin/2002/nr-39/leserfragen?page=0,9 |
Savio
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Post Number: 814
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, August 01, 2019 - 06:57 pm: |
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Would Nature performs Murder?
It is a fact that over 50% of human conception cases are naturally aborted due to “Natural Quality Selection”.
This is a natural process in order to protect the “Overall Quality” of human race, without it, the world will be full of deformed people and/or nuts.
Hence, when we consider that it is a murder for abortion after 21 days of conception, Nature is an expert murderer in this case…. It happens every minutes …
http://billybooks.org
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2039
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2019 - 04:48 am: |
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Votan good question but I can't recall Billy or the Plejaren ever answering such a question directly.
Sure the immortal spirit cannot feel murder but when a human body that houses the spirit gets murdered you deprive it of evolution thereby also depriving Creation from evolving as well I think.
So what you do to the human being you also do to Creation.
Murder in the grand scheme of things isn't such a big deal when you take into consideration millions of incarnation a spirit must go through and I am sure that in all probability ever spirit at some point must have gone through the process of the body that it was housed in being murdered thereby learning from this particular experience.
In the end do not kill in depravity makes perfect recommendation where it doesn't involve self defense but I also think that just as rabbits and kangaroos get culled by endangering the environment and its own species due to overpopulation via human beings and nature, human fate is no different and often we bring it upon ourselves.
Although the concept of abortion is abhorrent after 21 days it seems that this may be one of the means of reducing overpopulation in the context we find ourselves in in this 21st century.
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2040
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2019 - 04:56 am: |
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Hi Bill yeah its unfortunate isn't it yet ignorance definitely is darkness that brings on misery and suffering.
Some women overwhelmed with guilt and depression commit suicide from having had abortions they later regretted whilst others commit infanticide from not being able to deal with the stresses brought on by motherhood.
Abortion after 21 days is wrong and murder by any other name is murder but in this day and age its a necessary evil that is performed by increasing numbers of women.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2041
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2019 - 05:02 am: |
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Hi Savio I agree
Looking at the countless diseases and illnesses it creates not to mention predators that kill and viruses and bacteria that also kill nature definitely is a merciless assassin without intending to do so.
Matt lee |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 855
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2019 - 05:51 am: |
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Since ovulation generally starts midway through the 28 days, by the time a period is "missed" a woman is about 14 days pregnant (not 28) which gives one short week for abortion before the spiritform incarnates.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Aristea
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Post Number: 20
Registered: 06-2019
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2019 - 10:17 am: |
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It is in no way “natural” for a woman to wish to kill her own child. This happens nowhere in nature...only humans have even thought of it. I think that the root of this is either extreme fear of childbearing or extreme selfishness which allows not for the existence of the “other” which will put major demands and expectations on the mother, at least for a couple of short years. It is, like many things happening on the earth, an anomaly, not how things should be if this world were a healthy and nurturing environment. We need to address the root causes of the notion that one is better off without the child. Many people love children and will do almost anything for their offspring. Others cast it away like yesterday’s trash, and think nothing else about it, than that this embryonic human is garbage. That is an evil that needs to be addressed, for any society that kills its own children is doomed.
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 856
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2019 - 06:19 am: |
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Hi Aristea killing an offspring does happen in nature. Animals have an instinct consciousness and it really is survival of the fittest. The mother may not have enough milk to feed all her offspring and often has no choice when the runts die. They cater to the strongest because they have to, to ensure their species survival.
There are many reasons already for abortion - rape, incest, medical complications and inherited diseases.
It's not evil wanting to reduce population. In nature when there are too many, a disease usually breaks out to reduce population. We are currently not reducing our population humanely with a worldwide birth stop. We also have the threat of overpopulation causing an atmospheric collapse and all will die. Keep breeding like rabbits to ensure all life dies? Is that logical? That's the real evil.
We currently cannot care for all the 9 billion people on the earth now and it's increasing by 110 million per year. The earth does not have unlimited resources. We are a few natural disasters away from food shortages and starvation (which we already have in 3rd world countries).
We are not living in a perfect world and won't be for quite some time, where every mother wants their children. It's best to look at the reality of the situation now, instead of looking at it how you wished it was.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 215
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2019 - 09:33 am: |
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Dearest Aristea
But again there is always adoption!
Without it, I wouldn't be here and probably would have been flushed down the toilet!
bronzedesk
Mat
And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time.
~ T. S. Eliot
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2043
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2019 - 04:57 pm: |
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There are countless ill effects and weird manifestations of the symptoms of overpopulation but overpopulation is also a symptom not easily calculable, quantifiable and qualifiable for those without some understanding of the truth.
Telling people that our world is overpopulated and backing it up with hard scientific data is not enough as it must also include the education of the truth laid out by Billy but that's where the conundrum begins because there is no solution under the sun to stubborn and fixed minds of donkeys that will not drink the water which they initially must if they are to also accept the truth and the solutions provided by Billy on the overpopulation crisis thereby safe guarding the future survival of our species.
So whichever way you look at it we the imbecilic earthling have dug such a deep grave for ourselves and even managed to pour quick sand into it that it's nearly impossible for us to get out even though somebody has thrown us ladders and ropes.
What is evidently clear is that some catalyzing and earth shattering event must transpire in order to snap out the phantasmogorified minds of the people of the earth and to get their undivided attention.
That catalyzing event..... |
Corey
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Post Number: 548
Registered: 10-2016
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Matt Lee (Newinitiation),
Our people are kept in that stasis on purpose, which is one of the things I am trying to change, to try and draw out the correct behavior from our people: IE: to change preemptively would be the need of the hour, but our people are not right with the universe so it will take Earth-shattering events to get them right.
If those in charge would, 20 years ahead of schedule of the disaster, change the "stasis" of our people than our people could get right with the universe much more of a suffice way, IE: tell some slow morsels of the truth to our people regarding Billy Meier leading up to bring about acceptance of the over-people problems, it solutions, thus removing the Earth-shattering events from the equation, thus ensuring people stand together instead of pandemonium-crisis:
1. Because they were taught to stand together (ahead of time), and taught to "outlast" the disaster.
2. Our people will finally learn how to become Masters of life, instead of the false-crutches of religion that bind the human consciousness to the wrong type of universal swinging waves (which is inevitable as long as terran religion is).
Sincerely,
Corey Müske (Mueske) USA.
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Fermouth
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 07-2019
| | Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 07:39 am: |
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Justsayno,
I honestly don't think abortion is right in rape/incent/deseases. The life that is being destroyed is not given a chance to become whatever may come of it. You might as well be trying to play God in that decision. I am not saying however that it is the woman's fault for the said rape/incest/disease, although sometimes harshly that could be considered the case with making poor choices thus putting herself in the situation to begin with. However, it would also be the other party's fault as well for lacking the morals to commit such a heinous deed in the first place. Every life is precious, even if we're already overpopulated. The spirit-consciousness of that human being would never be allowed to gather any creational wisdom if it's aborted which is against the natural laws of the creation itself. |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 859
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 12:57 pm: |
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Hi Furmouth, I really don't think you can make that judgement unless you yourself have been raped or had a disease that could be passed on. Walk a mile in another's shoes first. An abortion should never be decided by politicians or religions. It must be a well informed decision by the victim and her doctor and it's not for anyone else to decide. Rape is not the victims fault, the perpetrator is the guilty one, quit trying to spin it like the victim of rape deserved it like some sick cultures try to do. Abortion is allowed up to 21 days after conception before the heart starts beating as per the spiritual teaching.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Hugo
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Post Number: 703
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 04:09 pm: |
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Fermouth, if I was married and my wife was raped and fell pregnant to the rapists child (after DNA test proved it) I would tell my wife I don't want to raise/father this child that is not mine and that it would ruin our marriage and I would likely divorce her if she went through with it. She can then choose whether she wants to have it. I know this may be wrong of me to do but that is what I would do. |
Fermouth
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 07-2019
| | Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 07:46 pm: |
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Justsayno,
I'm sorry you feel and think that way. A human being becomes just so when the heart begins beating at the 21st day after conception. You are correct in that regard. Also, in my statement, I never said anything to disregard that. However, what I am saying is this. If a woman is degenerate enough to think it's okay to go out and party, then she should expect to have negative consequences to that. Either way, what has the doctor have to do with anything regarding a rape? Other than performing an abortion, nothing. That choice remains entirely on that of the woman. 20 days after conception, fine for abortion, after that, then you are going against the Creational Laws. No, I'm definitely not a woman, so I wouldn't know that experience. However, regarding diseases. I was born with a rare kidney disease, and have suffered plenty being on dialysis for 12 years. I've also suffered many other complications because of that. By enduring the disease and learning to overcome it and all the hardships that come along with it, I've managed to evolve enough to find this wonderful website full of truths and enlightenment. I'm not trying to spin anything. It is truth, whether you choose to see it that way or not. So, at this point I agree to disagree.
Hugo:
I'm sorry you feel that way. I think that the whole situation would be unpleasant. But, I also think that if you truly loved someone you would stand by them no matter what and help them through each and every hardship, no matter what it was. That to me, is love. |
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