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Cpl
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Post Number: 1155
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 01:50 am: | 
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I agree Fermouth, in standing by my wife through whatever hardship she may go through. My wife and I have no children, so I cannot advise Hugo from that point of view, and the situation is hypothetical. It certainly would be a great challenge to father a child from a raping, and feelings of estrangement would surely arise, if not be constantly there. It would be an enormous and terrible decision to have to make. I think one thing that should be considered should this occur is that IF a man can use the experience to come even closer to his wife in compassion, healing and nurturing and can try his best to love and help the child, perhaps he could give it that loving start that would be so necessary should the wife decide to keep the child. Those first formative years are of such immense importance to the life of the growing and developing individual, and without a father the hope for the child to become a true benefit in society will be greatly diminished. But, the circumstances are infinitely variable, and what someone decides to do only they can decide IMO, and only the person himself can know their situation.
I will say this, and perhaps I don't know what I am taking about because I haven't had the experience; but I like to think I would stand by my wife, and probably weep with her and try to make the very best of a terrible situation by helping her and the child as much as possible IF she decided to keep the child against my advice to abort it before 21 days.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 860
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 09:00 am: |
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Wow Furmouth, you think any women who "go out and party" deserves to be raped? That in itself says a lot about you. You did say "women's fault...could be considered the case with making poor choices thus putting herself in the situation to begin with." So like I said before some sick cultures look for any excuse for their men not to taking responsibility for their own actions. The rapist never looks at himself as doing anything wrong, must be someone else's fault is what you're trying to say?
I don't know where you're from but around here women don't go to backstreet abortionists, they see their doctor first and that's where they can had a conversation with the doctor about it or with doctors at the hospital after the rape. I've had former friends who went this route and they will have to live with their decision for the rest of their lives.
Also a friend wanted to try Accutane and the fine print says not to get pregnant for years after finishing it and advises abortion for those on it who are pregnant. Years later a woman I know was on Accutane, who became pregnant and had the baby which was diagnosed with West's Syndrome and the baby died 6 months later. Instead of taking responsibility for not being diligent in not becoming pregnant, she blamed their daughter's terminal health effects on her husband's "horrible genetics". She's in government now btw still spreading lies and nonsense. So what was the baby able to learn in its short 6 months? Not to incarnate into another spaz?
That's all very interesting but doesn't change my opinion that an abortion is an informed decision by the patient and Doctor, prior to 21 days after conception. I think Billy stated this as well. There's always the morning after pill which is not abortion but makes the uterus hostile for life to grow.
I imagine most would feel that way Hugo. We can speculate endlessly but we don't know unless we've been in that position.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1069
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 10:05 am: |
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Cpl
Salome Chris, great post#1155
Unfortunately, we on Earth truly do not know and therefore do not have the true love and thereby recognize that the child is as much a victim as the mother of the rape.
Luckily, the age of the child is helpful in that it has time until he/she eventually comes to recognize that there are parents if given away to adoption.
So ultimately, the wife and husband have to come to terms with the rape and address it for the sake of their own psyche and moving past it all.
This would be a tough one for anyone. The best thing would be to immediately test for pregnancy after the rape and abort the embryo.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Hugo
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Post Number: 704
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 06:10 pm: |
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In that hypothetical situation I would leave my wife if she decided to have that child because that child would be a constant reminder to me that someone raped my wife. How can we both move on and forget about the rape incident with the rapists child there?? Not only that but I don't think I would be able to father and be lovingly close to that child knowing it's father is a bastard rapist. I think I can lovingly bring up and father someones else's child if it were from wifes previous relationship but not a rapist's child. Each to their own I guess. |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 863
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 09:19 pm: |
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I admire your honesty Hugo.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Cpl
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Post Number: 1156
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 09:25 pm: |
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Maybe I should leave this because it is all speculation and hypothetical, but when, Hugo, you ask, "How can we both move on and forget about the rape incident with the rapists child there??" I like to think that we (if it were my wife and me) would move on because we would have to. The only alternative would be to divorce my wife. I would have to be out of my mind to do that. She is my right arm and more. I love her, and she loves me completely. How could I desert the love of my life in her greatest hour of need? I would not cut off my right arm because it was injured, even if permanently injured. I would nurture and care for it as best I could. We are always called upon to respond from a neutral standpoint with a positive mindset to all situations. Just as long as one concentrates on the negative action or qualities of the rape and rapist -- which comes from the past and cannot be changed -- for just so long, the person fills their system with unnecessary negativity and prevents their ability to stand in neutrality.
From The Psyche, anyone can know that what we concentrate on becomes a part of our psyche (thoughts and feelings). I am sure that in such a terrible situation, my wife would need the comfort of my love more than ever before in her life. How could I possibly think of leaving her at such a time, and if I were to do so what then of my self-esteem? The ego can always jump up and say, gI feel fine. Itfs nothing to do with me!h Letting the ego take onefs lead, however, never leads anywhere beneficial in the long run. Although I would most probably not be responsible for the event at all, I would probably at some point ask myself why I wasn't there to protect her in her hour of need. gIf only I hadn't been at so and so, but instead had been with her where I could have protected herh (of course, depending on the situation). After all, I am her husband and her most intimate provider and protector.
Chris
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1047
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 10:40 pm: |
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Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte, Gespräche, Block 8 Page 422– CR 326
(My translation may contain mistakes)
Ptaah
94. It is an unparalleled, malignant and autocratic presumption, impudence, arrogance and power-hungry domination of males over the woman, to rule over her body and pregnancy and her own freedom of choice, as is true in many other aspects.
95. As a result, she, the woman has, since time immemorial [and] even today been degraded to be the maid and slave of the man.
96. The state between man and woman among Earth humans should be as it is the case with us, that the woman should [be allowed], in relation to her own interests, including the pregnancy and a potentially necessary termination, [to] decide and to determine alone.
97. If this is not accepted by the man in this form, then he interferes with the woman's very own personal life and life concerns, depriving her of her free self-determination and forcing her into bondage and slavery, which is an injustice of an incredibly evil form.
98. This is also true when women are denied their rights and freedom in the mentioned relationship - as in all other relationships - through cultic, sectarian and religious laws, prohibitions and machinations.
German Original
Ptaah
94. Es ist von den Männern eine bösartige und selbstherrliche Anmassung, Frechheit, Überheblichkeit sowie ein herrschsüchtiges Dominieren sondergleichen über die Frau, über deren Leib und Schwangerschaft sowie über deren eigene Entscheidungsfreiheit herrschend zu bestimmen, wie das auch in vielen anderen Belangen zutrifft. 95. Dadurch wird sie, die Frau, wie seit alters her, auch heute noch zur Magd und Sklavin des Mannes degradiert und entwürdigt. 96. Auch unter den Erdenmenschen sollte der Zustand zwischen Mann und Frau so sein, wie das bei uns der Fall ist, dass die Frau in bezug auf ihre eigenen Belange, wozu auch die Schwangerschaft sowie ein eventuell notwendiger Abbruch derselben gehört, allein zu entscheiden und zu bestimmen hat. 97. Wird das vom Mann nicht in dieser Form akzeptiert, dann mischt er sich in die ureigensten persönlichen Leibes- und Lebensbelange der Frau ein, beraubt sie durch Zwang der freien Selbstbestimmung und schlägt sie in Knechtschaft und Sklaverei, was ein Unrecht unglaublich bösartiger Form darstellt. 98. Dies trifft auch zu, wenn der Frau die ihr zustehenden Rechte und die Freiheit in der genannten Beziehung — wie auch in allen anderen Beziehungen — durch kultische, sektiererische und religiöse Gesetze, Verbote und Machenschaften abgesprochen werden. |
Votan
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Post Number: 955
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2019 - 02:51 am: |
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Fermouth
I have been following your thoughts and You have a lot to learn. You make statements that does not gel with people so please do not keep talking about things that you do not know.
joe
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 524
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2019 - 10:00 am: |
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I must admit, I'm truly annoyed by men who constantly claim, "life is precious" however, 100 % of men are the cause for rape, incest of a woman and sadly children?
The woman is not to blame, therefore, until men stop raping women and most often children, it's a woman's(female) choice what to do with the pregnancy.
MsMichelle
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2066
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2019 - 02:19 pm: |
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It takes two to tango
It took two genders to stuff up the world we see today.
For one women and her submissive tolerance to men's aggression and childish exploits.
Who raised the child?
Predominantly at the hands of women.
Who set the example to the sons?
The imbecilic might and control obsessed men (not all of course) who just couldn't help himself but be boys will be boys and proceeded to break his toys and light the matches (metaphorically and literally speaking) and thought that passing on this tradition to his sons were a good idea.
Who has created the patriarchal, hierachical, paternalistic, top down, militaristic, aggressive, fraternalistic, exploitative, hedonistic, wild wild gun slinging western, quasi democratic, feual, oligarchal, hegemonic, gung ho, autocratic, adversarial, hyper competitive, destructive, dictatorial, arse licking, consumeristic, criminal and techocratic systems of all shades and colour our civilisation lives under?
Predominately males because men are that stupid enough to do so whilst women with her false humanitarian, aquiescent, maternalistic characteristics playing the nurturer, second fiddle and traditionally a homekeeper was too busy minding the house that she has failed to reel in her sons who were out like rabid dogs hunting for anything that walked on legs.
Now we come full circles to the issue of rape
Who dunnit to whom is secondary to how the hell could this even happened in the first place and why is the $64k question.
Is there some grain of truth when they say that there is a bastard in every men and a slut in every women?
Through wrong influence and education women nowadays are carrying themselves and are dressed more and more like sluts (K-pop, Hollywood, MTV etc) whereas men still treat women like sluts seeking ever more for that next conquest and one night stands to gratify his sexual lust yet it still takes two to tango so women are a willing participants too.
Was it the chicken or the egg who started all this race to the bottom?
There are insidious societal, social, mass media, ecclesiatical, academic, quasi spiritual, familial, historical, genetic, secret service, technological, corporate, governmental, institutional, religious, internet, fine spiritual, esoteric, exoteric, secret society, vibratory, auditory, electromagnetic, visual, sensory, olefactory, nutritional, chemical, and extraterrestrial (remnant of GI bafath residual) influence that has culminated in the rape culture.
So who has more say in setting policies and agendas in various institutions of influence?
Men of course but with the aquiescence of women.
So an act of rape by men or women by any other name is still an heinous crime but when it comes down to it it is a symptom of a deeper malady that goes beyond the individual and the individual act.
At the end of the day the lax laws and punishment for bad deeds has enabled freewill to run amok and it reflected in the degenerated conditions by which the relationship between human to human has morphed into a convoluted consumeristic attitudes whereby we are just merely a thing, a product and stuff to another human being who can be used at any time and discarded once it served its need and purpose.
Under this mindset rape is easy and murder is like swatting a fly.
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Hugo
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Post Number: 705
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2019 - 08:47 pm: |
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Cpl,
that's why I said "Each to their own I guess."
Tat_tvam_asi and Msmichelle,
nowhere in that hypothetical situation did I say I would tell my wife what to do with her and the rapists child. I only said I would tell her that I would divorce her if she chose to have that child and I gave the reasons why. And I think I am right in saying it's my right to chose whether I want to bring up and father that child that is not mine under those circumstances. If that child was conceived outside of our marriage it might be a different but it was not. If my wife was raped and got pregnant to him and then she said to me that she intends to have the rapists child. Where's my rights in all that? That means she expects me to work half my life to pay for and father someones else's child that was conceived in my/our marriage. Not me. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1037
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2019 - 10:26 pm: |
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Chris (CPL),
Regarding your post 1155; that is pretty much my same thoughts...
You took the words out of my mouth with your post 1156...
Furthermore, the spirit-form coming into being due to the rape of the woman is not related to the spirit-form of the rapist in any way shape or form. All that the newborn would know is, these are my parents.
Nonetheless, these situations do happen, but in my opinion, are not what is causing the overpopulation issue.
Kenneth |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 527
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2019 - 05:03 am: |
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It takes two to tangle? Not anymore, because, invitro fertilization is replacing the traditional methods of conception. Women also can become pregnant without men, if the survival of the planet was at stake. Sadly, our survival is at stake because of our behaviors of irresponsibility. Honestly, would we all " have known" about the crisis of overpopulation if it was not for BEAM and the Ps? Most of the people I ask about on the streets during my interactions, do not "see" it as a problem.
MsMichelle
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1038
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2019 - 10:22 am: |
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Msmichelle,
You hit on a couple of items that are of importance:
"...would we all " have known" about the crisis of overpopulation if it was not for BEAM and the P's...?"
Secondly; ..."Most of the people I ask about (overpopulation) ...//...do not "see" it as a problem.
So far, everyone that I have talked to do not understand the overpopulation issue. One even said that they would have bet their paycheck that Earth was not overpopulated.
Much if it has to do with religion. It also appears that those in the position to see the issue of overpopulation, such as those that provide potable water, food, construction materials, waste disposal etc., will not say anything because it could affect their profit margin if the overpopulation issue was publicized.
Kenneth |
Cpl
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Post Number: 1158
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2019 - 03:16 am: |
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Hi Kenneth,
Yes, you are right, methinks: rape has not so much to do with overpopulation; a happy or unhappy marriage, however, may well have a great deal to do with overpopulation.
Perhaps you and I are " lucky" bearing in mind that Billy has said, as have other great thinkers, that there is really no such thing as luck. I gave up on ever finding the right partner when I was young. With that, I didn't go out and therefore just do my own thing with whomever. I accepted that that was my experience. I would remain single, such is my fate.
Then one early morning, perhaps 15-20 years later, I awoke from a powerful dream of a wedding cake with a model bride and groom on the top. The image kind of exploded in my head and jolted me awake. "I am going to get married?", I wondered. "I don't know any likely candidates!"
Two weeks later I met the intriguing and lovely person who was to become my wife. The point of what I am saying is not the details of my experience, but that with overpopulation, like everything else, marriage does not come easy. Overpopulation throws the whole timing energies, frequencies, swinging waves (?) for marriage out of balance.
Billy has written how people should be marrying at different times now that the population has exploded. It's a complex system, and I don't have the reference to hand, but the point is young and unmarried people of our overpopulated times need to think and feel especially carefully and responsibly about who they get involved with romantically and who they accept or ask to be their life partner. Doing so can help ensure a happier, even if later marriage, than if one decides to marry because they can't, for example, find anyone else to marry.
People marry for all kinds of reasons today, and in the past, but with our overpopulation, my experience showed me that patience, patience and more patience may be required to counter the serious glitches that overpopulation puts into the timing and formation of a happy marriage.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 864
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2019 - 09:39 am: |
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Hi Kenneth you forgot about genetics where roughly half of the newborn genetics will be from the rapist and there are a lot of bad habits that are genetically inherited.
Thank you for the translation Bill!
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1039
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2019 - 11:55 pm: |
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Hello Justsayno,
Didn’t forget about genetics. Bad habits to my knowledge are not acquired through genetics; bad habits are learned through the immoral behaviors and lifestyles that develops the personality which also has nothing to do with reincarnation. It’s true that certain physical traits will developed due to the rapist DNA, but that will not necessarily turn a newborn into another sociopath or rapist.
Kenneth |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 865
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 09:19 am: |
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Hi Kenneth, we know the "bad habit" of religion is genetically inherited. Roughly half of who you are is due to genetics and the other half is how you are raised. I have been observing people who have been adopted. It's kind of crazy the habits they have without ever knowing their birth parent had the same habit like for example nail biting.
In a recent CR there is also the association to obesity as being caused by parents or grandparents having starved and obesity is the effect and it's genetically inherited. It also said offspring of addicts were more prone to becoming an addict as well. Sorry don't have the CR number.
Due to overpopulation spirit forms are coming back too soon instead of spending the proper time in the ether which also causes issues in the current life. The newborn has the genetic inheritance that could potentially turn them into sociopaths and rapists unless that gene is "turned off".
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1040
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 11:15 pm: |
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Justsayno,
You bring up some good points; we are all here to learn. To be accurate; when you said, “religion is genetically inherited…” That is a rather finite or determinate statement; I know that I read a statement that said that religion is almost like being inherited? There is a difference. But of course, I’m unable to locate it now.
In doing some research, the book, “God-delusion and God-delusion Insanity” by "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier state the following:
"Fundamentally, god is an invention of the human being, respectively, of the human brain, whereby, in the human being, over millions of years, the imaginary divinity has been inherited in a form of schizophrenic, epileptic delusion and has established itself in the temporal lobes as well as in the parietal lobes. Religious experiences which arise thereby constitute forms of schizophrenic delusion and are the result of a genetically inherited religious belief.
So, I stand corrected, thanks for pointing that out.
Kenneth |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 528
Registered: 02-2010
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not sure where to put this, however, from MH BLOG....Extract from the official 721st Contact Conversation of June 14, 2019
IMO, this is one of the most, brutally, honest, direct contact discussion between BEAM and Ptaah i've read in a long time! I love it and I suggest, everyone read this now and accept the truth of our situation and get your face out of your bowl own self created corn flakes
MsMichelle
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Votan
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Post Number: 961
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2019 - 04:42 am: |
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How do you find 721 contact.
joe
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 533
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Friday, September 13, 2019 - 09:12 pm: |
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From contact note 721 .."this fact already shows today that the only way to ensure the continued existence of the human kind of Earth and more distant future would be if there were a broad scale emigration of human kind..ie ...a resettlement of human kind to a new very distant and yet not destroy planet" ...again I hope this latest contact note gets our attention and we consider doing things differently ..because we are operating off of information that was given to us in 1975... meaning we have not made as much of an impact as we could have made...esp with overpopulation
MsMichelle
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Getknowledge
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Post Number: 223
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 07:25 am: |
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Stephen Hawking Says Humans Have 100 Years to Move to Another Planet
Theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking has already asserted that humans need to colonize a new planet soon — and now he’s arguing that we need to start within 100 years to keep the species alive.
https://time.com/4767595/stephen-hawking-100-years-new-planet/
Contact Report 476: Akart (an approximately Earth sized planet) had an oxygen collapse and an atmosphere collapse when their total population had increased to 34 billion.
Hello Tien, please try and restrict your posting of non-FIGU Links as mentioned in the announcements. Thank you-Scott-Moderator
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