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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 576
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, December 21, 2019 - 03:31 pm: | 
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Matt(i hate commas)Lee, tell me again about yourself, are you employed? What's your profession? Country of origin? Married? with children?
Anyone interested, let's says rescue personnel come to your island or country because the island is sinking, or fire is raging out of control, volcano erupted and lava is coming down fast onto the island or country, etc and the rescue personnel, say to you, we only have room for 1000 people,however, the island or country has over 100,000 people, what will you do?
MsMichelle
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Cpl
Member
Post Number: 1185
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 21, 2019 - 04:49 pm: |
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"Sooner or later, something is going to give; is this what 2029 is all about?"
Kenneth, that is something I have been saying here for sometime, although I think 2036 a bit more likely than 2029. Not that seven years makes any difference to the outcome, since the world will undoubtedly need more than seven years to correct Apophis.
I also think our "elite" hidden away in their bunkers think they are safe from this and that it'll take care of the population problem for them. They probably know it is going to hit on one of those dates and, of course, will not announce it to the world, which will know when some "amateurs" are credited with making the impact calculation.
Leaders will feel the need to keep the public ignorant as long as possible to avoid the inevitable societal breakdown as people try to grab what money they think they have that isn't there, financial markets collapse, and social as well as economic panic and breakdown occurs world-wide. This is most likely to occur immediately enough people know that Apophis is going to hit.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2110
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, December 21, 2019 - 05:54 pm: |
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I agree Msmichelle that the situation has gotten way past the logical point but then you also have to factor in the logical point of nature as well.
Now you may have to factor in these variables almost all the countries with the fastest population growth is centered around Africa and Asia with the poorest countries comprising the same continents and along with this matrix they are the most unhappy and miserable people on earth no surprise there.
Yet the countries with the greatest mortality rate is the former soviet bloc countries and the biggest polluting nations are first world and emerging countries like China, US, India, Russia and Japan yet the countries with the lowest birthrate is also the first world and the emerging economies such as Monaco, Japan, HK, Germany, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, South Korea etc
So the conclusions you could draw from this data is that the bigger the population and the economy the bigger the consumption and therefore the pollution and carbon emissions
No wonder the first world and the emerging economies are the biggest culprit in their contributions towards climate change and global warming not to mention to the other WUV factors as well
The inverse of this is that the worse the pollution the more health related issues that they will inevitable face in the long run such as heart and lung disease and cancer.
Especially in India and China due to toxins in the air from industries and coal fired power stations the quality of air is one of the worst in the world.
Yet the inevitable conclusion however you look at it is that overpopulation is the foremost and the major culprit for everything going wrong with our world because it is the source of so many other flow on effect problems in terms of economic output, the associated energy use, the pollution it generates, the environmental impact, the consumption per capita, how the energy was derived, social impact for all matrices, impact on human health and so many other indices all closely tied to overpopulation.
Now getting back to the logical force of nature the more you destroy and change the balance of nature the more change you do to it and the more change that it incurs the more change it'll do back to humanity.
So before the supranational kleptocratic elites get their hands on their biological agents and decide to spread it from farms, water supplies, subway stations, major towns and cities and so forth nature would've done a lot of the work for them through natural disasters, diseases, pandemics, cancer and shortage of potable water and foodstuff, Fukushima, conflict and wars fought over scarcity of resources etc.
Now think about the other warning by Billy and the Plejaren that didn't come true such as 2012, pope and the 4 heads of state dying within 7 days of each other etc
Of course the masses won't heed the warning overnight nor tomorrow but eventually after being directly effected by all these unbelievable natural disasters to come over and over again saner heads will in the end prevail and they will be forced to contemplate the growing numbers of people warning about the overpopulation crisis so much so that it'll become headline news and talking points by talking heads in the MSM.
Matt lee |
Cpl
Member
Post Number: 1187
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 21, 2019 - 07:11 pm: |
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Justsayno, If you have two children or less you could also reply, "I am doing my bit."
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Cpl
Member
Post Number: 1188
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 21, 2019 - 11:53 pm: |
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Ms Michelle,
What I would do is say, "Take the women and children first, and everyone else get together and we are going to figure out how to use our own resources to get everyone we can far enough away to be safe until further help arrives. Get with this NOW." Even sitting astride a tree log with paddles is better than just giving up. It is never a matter of deciding in Hollywood heart-on-the-sleeve drama type scenarios who will live and who will die, or that we accept a fate of death. Death is never passively accepted; life is fought for until the bitter end, if that end must come. This is something worth well remembering, or if in disagreement, contemplating, in the days to come, for these days will present, unless Apophis is nudged off course, the greatest challenge of this type that humankind has ever faced.
I often wonder what I might be able to do to prevent the negative mindset of giving up and committing suicide that could befall the people of the country in which I reside when it starts sinking, as all breaks down, and people see absolutely no hope. It looks to me as though mankind is facing this challenge on a greater scale than it ever has in the entire history of the planet. We are going to need to pull together in the name of "life" and always say no to death. It is worth remembering that in the prophecies it mentions that people who cannot remain good, but steal, for example, a loaf of bread will pay for it with their life, presumably by the hand of whatever authority exists in the place at the time.
One other thing I would say is simply, "Be strong, and stay good, whatever befalls." And for those who would say that this is expecting too much, I would say, "It is not expecting too much. It is the only way for a successful remnant of our current civilization to get through, and ultimately the most humane way for all."
I probably would not, however, personally judge those who negatively decided to take their life if their pain is extreme and endless. I do not know all the personal details of another's extreme suffering. I would, however, perceive it as an incorrect act and decision of choosing/promoting death and denying life. It is easy to give this talk, and I do not know how I would respond until, or if, I were to find myself in such a painful situation, though I have faced my struggles with death and always fought for life throughout them in later years. In younger years I was less strong in mind. So this is something I too had to learn.
Each will receive the effects of that which they cause. As students here we might conclude that anyone taking their life in such a fashion would likely come right back into the thick of it. There is no escaping that part of one's life that is destiny, whatever that is. Everyone makes their own decisions; the most we can do is advise or live as a good example.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2112
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 04:15 am: |
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Msmichelle lets not get bogged down with hypotheticals and instead focus our attention on reality.
The reality I am referring to is the present and not some distant possibilities that may never eventuate
Just think about how many prophecies or warning by Billy that didn't come true.
Who knows the elites may entertain the final solution in the future but right now the effort should better be spent focusing on warning people about overpopulation instead of worrying about what the elites are going to do so that they don't have to entertain the idea of wiping out billions of people with biological agents if our collective efforts bear fruit.
As the Chinese say prevention is better than the cure.
As remote as it is that any birth reduction measures will be implemented by the politicians in the near future all it takes is one Greta Thunberg's of this world to shine a bright light this subject matter which will gain traction and fast track the global awareness of this serious issue.
In the mean time just let whoever is within your sphere of influence know and understand about the issue of overpopulation and to bring up this subject matter any chance you get.
As for my personal details why are you so curious all of a sudden when you had 9 years to ask me this question.
I think I've said enough about myself on this forum over the last 14 years that whoever is genuinely interested can find out with their hearts content.
Just incase and I am just saying but lets not reduce this discussion to some petty point scoring contest and finding faults to strengthen ones argument if at all that was the intention behind your question about my personal details.
For example if I'd told you I had 10 children and 5 wives would that have made any difference.
Matt lee |
Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 580
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 09:03 am: |
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Matt Lee, what are you doing about overpopulation now? How are you getting your long drawn out posts to others, other than people on this forum? You ramble on your post as of you're "manic" or "bipolar" which if true, would explain. You put out lots of posts on this forum, yet what are you doing on the outside to curb overpopulation? I actually have no idea who you are, because your posts suggest you have "multiple personalities".
MsMichelle
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Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2114
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 04:14 pm: |
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Well Msmichelle since you are the one putting fire to my feet to keep the bastards honest so to speak since everything works both ways why not keep things honest by you first answering your own questions by telling me what you are doing about overpopulation now and then I will answer your question to me afterwards.
This is just my own observation and matter of fact speaking which is never intended to castigate, belittle, condescend, put down and find fault so I hope you don't take it the wrong way and hope you accept the observation with the proper spirit in which it was given.
I could be wrong and please correct me if I am but I think it needed to be said.
Over a number of instances I had noticed that you have made blanket and generalised statements in response to forum members posts with certain inferences that may come across as being accusatory without substantiative proof because frankly they were downright blanket and I wondered why that was because in any normal social setting out there in the world that would give reason for people to reject you and make you into a social outcast.
As I pondered about this particular characteristic and thought how could I be of help in this instance the conclusion was just to let it go and shut my mouth and where there is a chance to give positive feedback that is aligned with the truth about you then I would give it.
The inevitable thought process resulting from wondering about this state of affair was that I had to compare it to something from my direct experience and what I had directly observed about a person I knew.
Throughout life this women had to endure countless psychological torture from her critical parents who constantly reminded her with sharp quips and tongue lashing about how inadequate she was that she was good for nothing and how deficient she was in anything.
Naturally the rejection from her parents even extended to her social life as well where the despondent, anxiety ridden and depressive tone of her voice and generally the way she carried herself was reason enough for her peers to basically do the same to her as her parents did by calling her all sorts of names like fat pig, ugly duckling, a reject, good for nothing, idiot, stupid, blob and so forth.
Basically she was the odd one out wherever she went and people avoided hanging out with her.
As a result of all these ordeals and traumatic experiences throughout her life she developed eating disorder and used food as way to compensate but more to the point she not only had oppressive and negative views about herself but about other people as well.
Not only was it hard for her to trust another human being but she was becoming a carbon copy of her mother as well where she was always critical, skeptical and condescending towards other people and their intentions.
This I think was just an expression of her defensive mechanism kicking in and to some extent an expression of rage for all the hurt and suffering she had to endure over the years that unconsciously negatively reinforced this aspect about her personality.
The last time I saw her it looked like she hasn't change a bit and the toll from all the years of self abuse and abuse by others not overcome had greatly effected all sphere of her life to the point where it was difficult for her to maintain employment, relationships and she was shunning people altogether.
In a cruel and unjust world we live in the illogical expectation and irrational judgement by others especially in children's formative years can greatly shape the future of their live for the worse and can shatter their psyche from which the person cannot in many instances be saved from.
The moral of the story here is that we the ones who have access to this incredible spiritual teaching resources should also by right have something to show for in the way of us being more spiritual than the unwashed masses by refraining from making the same mistakes of irrational and false judgement of another according to fickle and materialistic societal standards that by right is impossible to live up to.
I am drawing parallels from her case to you because if I am not wrong I see in you some of the elements.
What is important is that if we had learnt anything from the spiritual studies if a all is that we do need to be good to one another as human being to human beings as what we do and don't do to another human being can have wider remifications even intergenerationally.
Its our Chrissy break from work so lucky for me I am able to spend more time participating on this forum.
Matt lee |
Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 581
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 08:44 am: |
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First of all, you're rambling post makes no sense to me. If you're attempting to draw comparisons, you have no idea about my life, culture, upbringing, etc.
What you do, is talk in circles and you make absolutely no sense at all. You rarely come to a resolution, conclusion, or fruition with your post.
If you want to know, I grew up in a loving, household environment, with a strong mother who took care of our large family and a father who worked day and night to provide and protect his family.
Yet in the neighborhood of my childhood, I grew up with drug activity, criminals, discord, shooting, etc. I experienced sexual assaults and taunting remarks from degenerate males, yet at the same time, I'm completely capable of handling all walks of life, such as people like yourself, with either force (use of a weapon) or with my voice (via writing, poems, and eventual speaking events). My might is definitely one on one conversations. Therefore, I developed myself (via my own will and strength) in spite of my environment. I encourage others to think and break free from what I've experienced from my environment and certain environments of so-called intellectuals. Meaning, those like yourself whom consider themselves somewhat superior than others, due to their gender, race, or education.
Due to this overpopulation crisis, I'm sure males like yourself, consider yourself superior or better and deserve to be "saved" verses those on underdeveloped countries mostly people of color. Your disparaging remarks about women have been ignored until now, because I will no longer tolerate it.
MsMichelle
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Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 583
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 09:24 am: |
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The main reason most women do not participate on this forum especially regarding overpopulation, is due to the ongoing male prospective and males wanting to provide the solutions and answers. (the intentions are irrelevant).
The overpopulation crisis will not be resolved without a female's (woman) input, prospective, conversation, advice, etc. I suggest this forum create a safe space for woman to discuss these matters and other matters without, being shut down, criticize or talked over with intellectual bullshit from some particular males on this forum.
Males need to provide protection and safety for woman esp in underdeveloped countries from an epidemic of rape, censure, taunting from insecure males from all walks of life. Providing birth control pills will not work, if the woman has no access or is fearful of abuse from males. So, let's get to the meat of the matter, and stop with just talking, talking, talking and provide concrete solutions. The common denominator is crystal clear and stop blaming women for just being women and allow their voices to be heard form more on this forum.
MsMichelle
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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 1427
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 07:01 pm: |
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No Baby
Johnny there's somethin' needs tellin' to you
my heart is breakin' over what I must do
we've been takin' chances when we're makin' love
an' you ain't been willin' to respect me enough
You can't have a baby so you'll never know
why makin' love's been worryin' me so
it's only a woman who can say when it's time
no man's gonna rule this body of mine
No baby you can't have me that way
no babe it's more to me than play
no baby can't you see no baby till I'm ready for a family
Now there's too many women caught up in the trap
their man didn't care an' there's no turnin' back
they gotta choose 'tween a death an' a life
an' forcin' a woman either way ain't right
So I'm takin' charge where the choices start
we ain't makin' love without love in our hearts
we ain't makin' love till it's plain to see
you're the kind of man who'll be respectful of me
No baby you can't have me that way
no babe it's more to me than play
no baby can't you see no baby till I'm ready for a family
Words & Music
Michael Horn
© 1984
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Breaking the Silence: https://amzn.to/374KCcw
Davida Horn & Michael Horn
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Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2119
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 08:46 pm: |
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Your disparaging remarks about women have been ignored until now, because I will no longer tolerate it.
Well Msmichelle can you kindly point to the exact words that I've written which was disparaging to women that you will no longer tolerate as I am still perplexed by the emotional response you have displayed here.
Let's deal with the facts and not the emotion.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2120
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 08:54 pm: |
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The common denominator is crystal clear and stop blaming women for just being women and allow their voices to be heard form more on this forum.
Msmichelle who exactly is blaming the women for just being themselves and what exactly was said to make you believe that this was the case?
Could this be an overreaction from you based on misplaced assumptions carried over from your past experiences which has nothing to do with what is said on this forum but merely a projection coming from deep within your traumatic experiences?
Matt lee |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 895
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 - 12:15 am: |
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Hi Chris, no I can't say that because as a teenager I wrote down how my life was going to go right down to the amount of children and their sexes and then I made it so. I've had a hard time speaking about overpopulation because I do feel like a hypocrite having had 3. After discussing it with Michael Horn I realized it was more important to have the overpopulation conversation, than not have the conversation at all.
One thing that stands out to me when it comes to being in a war situation is how do you stop a baby from crying if the situation demanded it? In war stories sadly you hear of mothers murdering their own children by covering their mouths and noses because if the "enemy" heard the baby, they could have discovered and murdered the whole family. This is one of the examples I use because WW4 is not a matter of if, but when.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Cpl
Member
Post Number: 1190
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 - 04:35 pm: |
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Justsayno,
In normal situations three children is fine. It's only because we are way over the top that three is too many. It is important we do what we can, and we can't change what has been done when things were not so critical.
The war situation you cite might be called a case of killing in self defense, if it was necessary as the only way for the mother's to stay alive. They would have paid the price for that action. Only a mother could know the agony and pain they would endure for the rest of their lives knowing how they had lost their precious children.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 227
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 25, 2019 - 09:48 am: |
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Please guys all the straight forward or third person context ranting and ravings are not going to get us anywhere no matter what we really are here for. And that is Simply to see in each other that light of oneness.
No one talks of adoption here as a viable alternative to just cutting or drowning ones private’s in liquids of mass destruction. But then again everything and I mean everything in this day and age carries a price tag no matter what even that!
Has Mammon truly triumphed over all and here we are in fact all caught up in the swamp and alligators least forgetting that the true purpose of this folly was to create and build a bridge so that we can all cross safely to the other side.
For me I see it as simply applying poor semantics pasted haphazardly together with the illusion of trying to put it all together as a whole and not really as a hole in the ground which we have so gratefully put together here. Or is that too vague or obtuse a statement!
I prayed for msmichelle and others for just that purpose. We need the input to both sides not just one authoritative leading and finding the answers for one and all but a conglomeration of souls on the same path with equal voice and rights.
I wish to say this that truly I miss Corey too! He like others who have come and gone were to be key factors to the United States forums return fo being successful in its final return back to the fold of the mothership of BEAM’s Switzerland.
Empathy can work both ways good and bad and gets others lost in the translation as well as in life itself. Or are we so afraid of bleed over and what that entails to us as a group either failing or not and do what really needs to be done and that is to just simply patch up and move on and heal from with in.
bronzedesk
Mat
And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time.
~ T. S. Eliot
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Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 897
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2019 - 08:18 am: |
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Hi Mat I know you won’t answer this question from me, but I’m going to ask it anyway. How exactly is adoption solving overpopulation? We currently have over 9 Billion in population and are adding 110 million per year. As per the information a worldwide birth stop is the answer. If you are upset at my war example, just say so because I can’t fathom what “drowning ones private’s in liquid of mass destruction” even means. Care to elaborate on that?
Why are you praying for “certain people” when you know “prayer” is actually directed at your own spirit form?
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 590
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2019 - 05:40 pm: |
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Post 187 exactly
MsMichelle
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Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 591
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2019 - 10:32 pm: |
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JustSayNo...correction. your post #897, are my questions as well..so what are you attempting to express to us Mat (Bronzedesk)?
MsMichelle
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2974
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Friday, December 27, 2019 - 01:52 pm: |
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Hello,
Has anyone come across information in the contact notes which has mentioned the earth in earlier times was over-populated as it is today? The contact notes mention numerous colonizations in earlier times, but I don't recall ever reading anything which mentions a large population as we have now...Thanks
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Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 593
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Friday, December 27, 2019 - 04:20 pm: |
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Scott, I do not recall any information I've read so far about this planet ever being over-populated. When I read the books AA, TJ, it mentions, this is unlike anything we've ever experienced, meaning, we are entering into a time "never" experienced on this planet , but I'll continue to look for anything to the contrary.
MsMichelle
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2975
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Friday, December 27, 2019 - 05:30 pm: |
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Thanks Msmichelle,
Yes, if you do, please post it. I know the contact notes mention Atlantis and Mu, but nothing specifically about the number of inhabitants which most likely did not approach the numbers we are now seeing.... |
Cpl
Member
Post Number: 1191
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2019 - 01:22 am: |
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Scott,
I have never noticed anything in the CNs saying that the earth was overpopulated in earlier times.
I seem to recall, but could be mistaken, that a CN somewhere mentions how we are overpopulated for the first time or overpopulated as never before. It might be easier to search the CNs on Overpopulation to see if there is such a latter comment.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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