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    Kenneth Member Post Number: 1060 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hugo, You make a good point; I agree that plastic bags should not be used for a multitude of reasons; nonetheless, plastic bags and plastic bottles make up a very small percentage of the products derived from oil. Many location within the United States also focuses on the plastic bag issue. Searched information: “Plastic bags are made from crude oil, which is first heated to release ethylene gas. From there, the oil is converted to polyethylene, which is a gelatinous substance that is used to make the bags. Five trillion plastic bags are produced each year, which accounts for .2% of the earth's oil consumption each year.” How much oil is used to make plastic? “Although crude oil is a source of raw material (feedstock) for making plastics,… Plastics are produced from natural gas, feedstocks derived from natural gas processing, and feedstocks derived from crude oil refining… Petrochemical feedstock naphtha and other oils refined from crude oil are used as feedstocks for petrochemical crackers that produce the basic building blocks for making plastics… However, the petrochemical industry also consumes large quantities of hydrocarbon gas liquids (HGL). The majority of HGL produced in the United States are byproducts of natural gas processing, and the rest are produced at crude oil/petroleum refineries…” End Searched information. NOT considering the multitude of fuels derived from crude oil/petroleum; if all plastics were instantly eliminated, our world as we know it would come to a screeching halt. Plastics varieties are in everything; but as Hugo pointed out, the focus is on plastic bags; overpopulation is not mentioned. It would appear that the general public is being misinformed and mislead by big business and other institutions. Regards Kenneth | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2085 Registered: 07-2005 |
I don't think its entirely true that disposable plastic bags are banned. I just been to whoolies today and the so called reuseable ones they sell for 5 cents could still be classified as disposable as I haven't seen any customers bothering to bring their own but for the sake of convenience they just buy a new bag every time they shop. So the old switcheroo is still in action now but with a price tag but the same problem still remains. With the current system we have in place with the emphasis on convenience and cheap cost in mind we will never ever be able to eliminate disposable shopping bags from business and daily human lives. The only way we can is by either running out of food entirely due to war and major epidemic or change the paradigm of shopping entirely by eliminating shopping centres and shopping malls and Amazonify or Alibabafy the shopping experience to online and let these corporation deliver the preordered groceries in electric delivery vehicles to your household without plastic bags. By law every household who has a council issued rubbish bin should also be issued with a small dolly crate inside their homes to receive their orders as every shopping items delivered will be dumped into their crate for expedience sake. Since the disposable plastic bags of old and now the 5 cent plastic bags are used for household rubbish bags all future rubbish disposal system mainly of softdrink plastic bottles and cans, plastic confectionery bags, plastic wrappings, plastic just about everything for every items sold in shopping experience should also be the responsibility of the corporation to collect or at least to receive just as Supercheap Auto collects used engine oil. Corporations manufacturing these plastic items should be forced to share the responsibility in responsible disposal and recycling. Corporations should by law be non profit entities and profit making corporations should be banned entirely replaced by morally and ethically responsible ones scored each year on a matrix of grades with emphasis placed on how much it benefits society rather than how much tax it pays or jobs it creates. Sharemarket and investing in shares should be outlawed. Directors, CEO, CFOs and other executives are chosen after extensive moral and ethics testing and likewise future business operators, owners and startups must passed the character test to obtain a license to operate a business. Same goes for would be politicians, scientists, academics and so on. This character test must be instituted globally and are based on the spiritual guidelines and Creational spiritual natural laws and principles These processes must be done through manmade law and not voluntarily. These are some of the suggestions for eliminating plastic bags. There are tonnes more that has to be done to achieve a plastic free world but its a start that'll take at least a few hundred years to achieve. Matt lee | ||
Norms New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2019 |
The independent scientist that is author of the weather book Principia Meterologia, creator of the WING Generator, and on record for over-population being the central problem on the planet, gave a talk on his weekly Science Hour podcast on the following subjects: 34:35 Climate Change disinfo program rages on… 35:56 Tesla autos line-up waiting to be charged and electric companies going to bankruptcy court in next two years . 40:25 This will put pressure on politicians to seek other energy solutions that actually work (WING Generator). 43:08 Discussion on nuclear as a dirty and dangerous energy solution for industry and the war machine… 45:13 Remember Hillary Clinton selling-off 20% US Uranium deposits to Russia being OKayed by the Obama White House? 46:50 Ukrain is mixed into this also. 47:43 … the so-called Alternative Energy cannot close the demand gap… 48:34 We could do this within ten years, with a Manhatten style Project to get the large (1000 foot – 1000 MW) WING Generators on-line. By the time 2030 rolled around, we could be producing 97% of our energy including this extra gap for electric transport (road, air, and rail). This can all be managed and 97% coming from the wind with the other 3% coming from nat-gas. 49:23 Mentions his experience, knowledge, and expertise with the electronic industry in commerce… 50:00 My WING Generator – there’s the email on my website for support at the 3 to 10 million USD or above mark. Always looking for additional investors at those levels to come in… some projects are underway, some projects need funding, so those opportunities are available. 56:02 When this Impeachment thing fails, there is likely to be civil unrest at the hands of the faceless nameless people behind this… 57:10 All I’m saying is we might be heading into difficult times in the future. The WING Generator being energy independent and boy are we heading in to difficult times in terms of energy.} | ||
Norms New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2019 |
All posters making reference to the Greenhouse Effect should read Carl Sagan's Eighth Problem. Hello Norms, Perhaps you are not aware of the guidelines stated in the Announcement section regarding posting of Non-FIGU Links "Links are only permitted if they are directing to the websites of FIGU groups (or other websites as listed at “www.figu.org > Links”). Any links to other than those websites are not accepted." Thank you for your post and welcome to the FIGU Forum. Scott-Moderator (Message edited by scott on December 08, 2019) | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 567 Registered: 02-2010 |
Norms: post #1 is old news already known and already discussed MsMichelle | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1422 Registered: 07-2009 |
Norm, It seems that you are somewhere between knee-deep and over your head in conspiratorial/political theories and their proponents. I haven’t listened to James McCanney’s show, nor do I automatically dismiss someone because of what this site says: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/James_McCanney. I know you meant to post a FIGU Link  ....Thanks Scott But if its accurately presented his “Ideas” (4 1/2 of which are questionable), then maybe it would behoove you to study the Meier material more thoroughly, state what your objections are to the scientific info presented therein and substantiate those objections with facts. (Message edited by scott on December 08, 2019) | ||
Norms New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2019 |
Scott, thanks for the note on forum rules. http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi?pg=instructions#rules | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 180 Registered: 12-2016 |
Funny how someone new had to choose a name almost exactly like mine. WTF | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2095 Registered: 07-2005 |
Norm that's normal | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2097 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hey even Michael cannot tell the difference hows that for a name is that the new norm these days. Matt lee | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 762 Registered: 04-2015 |
Norm, Thanks for letting me/us know that "Norms" is not you because I thought he was. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1423 Registered: 07-2009 |
I know that Norms is Norm Smith, who also posted on my blog, as I did tell the original, one and only...Norm. | ||
Norms New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2019 |
Can the change the name to something else, if that's helpful ? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 181 Registered: 12-2016 |
Norms, Thanks, I appreciate that. | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 608 Registered: 02-2010 |
Are those wild fires in Australia affecting anyone of you in this country? Or are the constant media coverage an attempt to cause distractions? MsMichelle | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 777 Registered: 04-2015 |
Msmichelle, the fires are pretty bad and are affecting lots of people. Our navy even started evacuating lots of people by boat. Search Youtube and you can see space videos showing how much of the east coast is blanketed in smoke. Having said that the powers will surely be using our fires to distract from other important matters currently happening around the globe that they don't the populace focusing on. A case of look over here, not over there. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1135 Registered: 04-2011 |
A living inferno, it seems… Acc to news reports on the net: A 7 day state-wide state of emergency has been declared throughout the state of New South Wales … a cloud band the size of Europe approaches New Zealand. But it is not just the hellish fires … all major Australian cities have had their days or weeks of “worst air pollution ever” (Brisbane air was worse than Beijing (507 PM 2.5) – Sydney’s was 11 times more than “hazardous” …) But the present pollution in Canberra seems be even worse: Two days ago an elderly woman, after disembarking from her plane, suffocated on the tarmac at Canberra due to the bushfire pollution of the air and died. The Guardian today: “Air quality ratings above 200 PM 2.5 are considered hazardous. On Jan1, 2020 southern Canberra’s air pollution peaked at 5,109 PM 2.5 (!!)… On Wednesday (Jan 2, 2020) Canberra was the worst polluted city in the world … readings at one Canberra monitoring side peaked at 7,700 PM 2.5 (!!!)…”. Due to the fact that the fine particles permeate through everything, the city’s 420,000 residents were told to stay at home … All mail deliveries and many outdoor games (tennis / baseball etc.) were cancelled - Dr. Liz Allen: “Canberra Hospital had to cancel some procedures due to MRI equipment not working” - Dr. Steve Robson’s tweet in the Canberra Times - “Babies being born in bushfire smoke-filled delivery rooms …" –)… P2 masks – sold out, air purifiers – sold out…. And the Australian Bureau of Meteorology advised that the smog would stay trapped due to the high air temperature (e.g. Fri: 37 degrees C. - Sat: 44 degrees Celsius) … | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2142 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Bill this is what Sydney looks like now with the fires raging everywhere. We are breathing this toxic air everyday.   Matt lee | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1136 Registered: 04-2011 |
I am very sorry to see, Matt … I thought that this was Sydney in December 9 or so, that it was long over, that now only Canberra was hit …! Be very careful, these dust particles are very dangerous . They are fine as air and will stay and clog up your lungs. You need the right (P2) mask. Cloth (surgeon) masks and the masks you wear in winter (to protect you from people coughing) will not protect you at all – the fine dust particles go straight through them. I sincerely hope that you and your city will soon see blue skies again. Salome, Bill | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1082 Registered: 04-2013 |
This was sent to me from a relative in Canada. The first map shows how and where the fires are burning. The second is the map of The US superimposed over Australia. How many of us realize that the two countries are almost the same size? How would we be reacting if there were this many fires burning across the US or Canada ... This much destruction will have a global impact.  Kenneth | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 911 Registered: 10-2009 |
Kenneth said “How would we be reacting if there were this many fires burning across the US or Canada ... This much destruction will have a global impact.” In 2016 at Fort McMurray 1.5 million acres burned but no one cared because they thought it would destroy the Alberta tar sands, which it didn’t. All fires worldwide should be a concern to all. I feel for what everyone in Sydney is going through as it’s harmful to breathe and also the destruction and deaths. I hope the firefighters get it under control soon. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2143 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thank you for your well wishes Bill. The brunt of these bushfires are felt by the residents living in rural areas and the farmers so our best wishes should go out to these poor buggers who have lost their homes and loved ones. Pollies make political decisions that put lives at risk and frankly shame on them for not having done much to avert this disaster. As holders of power vested by people they have not taken responsible steps to ensure the safety of their citizens by instituting an effective contingency plans even with prior knowledge that every year for the last decade we've had bushfires left right and center. How stupid do you have to be to put political concerns and the next elections first before the lives of your citizens you swore to serve with the best of your abilities under oath. The do-gooder environmentalist aren't helping either as the best of intentions they may have that even with the best of intention you can create evil without knowing it and thereby have strangled the policy makers into ineffectual eunuchs and prevented them from carrying out back burnings to contain these wild fires which could've saved lives and millions of wild animals. Building water storage tanks throughout the areas that are proven to be most susceptible to bush fire could've given leverage to the RFS to access vital firefighting resources and for them to preemptively contain the fires before it got any bigger. Community safe shelters could've been built underground for people to evacuate to. Radio channels solely dedicated in the bushfire season could've been used to relay important and vital information to the residents living in bushfire prone regions so that it offered them the best possible live information to make informed decisions to evacuate but most important of all getting these uninformed citizens to cut down trees around 100m radius of their dwellings so that their properties are safe from fire and their lives can be maintained. Stocking up of supplies ahead of time before the bushfire season commenced could've lifted the burden on the logistics department and the roads where congestion most likely equals imminent death under severe conditions of fire. Build more desalination plants to ease the burden on dammed waters and equitably distribute to the farmers through a major pipelines crisscrossing the regional areas instead of being hampered by water rights and water licenses. Plant more trees by the millions in the desertified regions to ease the dry conditions that is responsible for creating the conditions ideal for fires to occur. By law any arsonists caught lighting fire get automatic life imprisonment without parole and juveniles a minimum 10 years in juvenile correctional facilities. There are so many ideas which can be implemented. Matt lee | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1137 Registered: 04-2011 |
I do understand your upset, Matt: This (K's image above) is a continent on fire ! The Guardian reports today that, so far, the fires emitted 400 mega tonnes (400,000,000,000 kg) of CO2 into the atmosphere and that the smoke from the Australian bushfire have now reached South America, polluting the skies of Santiago de Chile. And the WMO (World Meteorological Organisation) reports that the sunset in Buenos Aires "has turned red" ... |
