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Cpl
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Post Number: 1205
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2020 - 01:42 pm: | 
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Bill, I seem to recall the Plejaren saying that A Berlet (sp?) was not in contact with the Akartians and that they did not have any technology to get rid of radiation. Even the Plejaren do not have any such technology.
Chris
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Scott
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Post Number: 2997
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2020 - 08:00 pm: |
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Hi Chris,
I asked this question to Billy back in 2009 regarding Berlet:
Dear Billy,
There is something I have been trying to figure out for a number of years, which I haven’t been able to truly come to a conclusion on my own.
Wendelle Stevens published a book in 1987 entitled “Contact from Planet Acart”. This book supposedly involved a man (Artur Berlet) in Brazil in 1958 who was taken to this planet (Acart) for a number of days and then returned to earth. Some of the material in the book seems to coincide with information Ptaah relayed to you in Contact 35 during your great space voyage. Additionally, there was more information released about the extreme overpopulation on this planet in a conversation with Ptaah during contact 235. Also, in Guido’s Book “And Still They Fly” there is mention of Mr. Horst Fenner in Bolivia who encountered two of these visitors from the same region of space.
Some of the similarities I found in Wendelles book which also were mentioned in contact 35 were the following:
1. Collecting grains and vegetables while visiting earth.
2. Mention of overpopulation on their planet
3. They drug themselves during space flight
4. Mention of a space platform (station) during space flight
5. The spelling is very similar: Akart/Acart (possible translation inaccuracy)
In Mr. Fenner’s exchange with the visitors he spoke German to them (they used language translators) and also Mr. Berlet mentioned he spoke German to the beings from Acart. Also, Mr Fenner’s encounter took place in Bolivia and according to Mr. Berlet his initial encounter took place in Brazil, both South American Countries.
Since this book “Contact from Planet Acart” was released in 1987, I am sure the possibility exists that someone could have read the contact notes, and then fabricated this entire story. On the other hand after reading the book, it occurred to me some of things mentioned could be legitimate although possibly distorted due to translation inaccuracies. To the best of your knowledge do you know if the book is a somewhat accurate and a truthful story, or a complete hoax created to sell books? (I apologize if this question was a bit long)
Thank you again for your help.
Salome
Scott
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Cpl
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Post Number: 1206
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2020 - 10:50 pm: |
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Thanks, Scott. I am pretty sure that the answer to your question was what I saw. I had been collecting a few Stevens' books and decided, based on the reply, not to bother buying the Acart book as finances were also a bit tight.
Chris
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Cpl
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Post Number: 1207
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2020 - 10:55 pm: |
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I think the information on the Plejaren not having any technology to cancel existing nuclear radiation was elsewhere when they were talking about either their history or nuclear power and recommending against the latter.
Chris
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1159
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2020 - 01:56 am: |
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THE "LAST .. DAYS" BUTTON MAY NOT DISPLAY ALL POSTS DURING THE LAST .. DAYS!
I think many readers may be used to click only the "Last 1 days" button to see "what new Forum posts were there during the last 24 hours". Well, they are wrong when a new web page appears. Then, pressing this button will only list posts shown on the new web page - the archived ones are lost - even if they all are of the same day!
(That is, they are not mentioned in the displayed list of new posts when any of "The Last 1/2/7 Days" buttons is pressed)
Sample:
When I click on "Last 1 days" (or "Last 3 days" or "Last 7 days") button it will - for the Planet Earth / Global Warming section - only list the posts of the newest web page (CPL's and Scott's Sunday messages) while bypassing many other Sunday messages (e.g. from Hugo, Felinity etc.) which it archived.
Interesting information may be lost... |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1160
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2020 - 03:44 am: |
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Dear Moderators,
Please replace my previous post re Arthur Berlet with the one below. Thank you, Bill
>>> Arthur Berlet’s Real Vision of Akart <<<
Hi Chris / Scott,
I have not read Wendelle’s book so I cannot judge the book’s account of Arthur Berlet .
But I can evaluate Arthur's account from what I read in the CRs.
1.Semjase mentions in CR 38:133 – 134 *) that Arthur Berlet / Brazil had a Real Vision contact.
2. She explains that a real vision is a guided vision (see CR 38:144-151).*)
3. Yes, the Gize Intel used it to delude humans – via holy apparitions etc. - into believing into sects.
4. But this does may not apply to the Akartians:
5. Semjase tells Billy about 2 men from Akart (“Athar and Kohun”) which are her “dear friends”
(Horst Fenner - CR 60: 126).**)
My Conclusion:
The CR tell us that Arthur Berlet had a real vision (CR 38) and Semjase calls two Akartians her “dear friends” (CR 60).
As these two Akartians are very honest, it is hardly likely that (other) Akartians wanted to deceive Arthur.
We know as well that Arthur Berlet was not keen to use his experience to gain fame and fortune.
ERGO …
It is very likely that that what Arthur witnessed and reported, was a true "real vision".
Salome, Bill
*) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_038
**) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_060 |
Patm
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Post Number: 727
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| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2020 - 07:27 am: |
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Tat_tvam_asi,
Re: your post "THE "LAST .. DAYS" BUTTON MAY NOT DISPLAY ALL POSTS DURING THE LAST .. DAYS!"
I don't have that problem.
You might want to check you profile setting for what you have selected as Preferences (When using Last Day or Last Week, display only results from my "Favorite" topics - checkbox) and favorite topics selected. |
Cpl
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Post Number: 1208
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2020 - 09:40 am: |
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Thanks, Bill.
I don't think, however, that two honest people who travel to earth make a completely honest planet. That's a pretty big assumption since the planet didn't take the Ps advice on overpopulation. A planet will likely send its best people on space missions -- if not androids or robots. At least that's what we do. Our astronauts too are basically good honest people.
That aside: If you do a search on "Real vision" at futureofmankind you will see them mentioned in a number of CRs 38, 257, 563, and 567 where they are explained as false contacts.
Chris
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1164
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2020 - 04:08 am: |
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Hi Chris,
The truth may not be known to you and me.
But - in reply to your argumentation:
1. Even though our astronauts may be honest, Semjase would not call any of them her “dear friends”.
As for the people of Akart Ptaah tells Billy iIn CR 31:1051 – they have a “quite peaceful” nature.
And he mentions that – yes, they sometimes come to Earth to collect some seeds and food, but knowing that Earth suffers as well from overpopulation, they are only collecting relatively small amounts of food products.
So, IMO, Athar and Kohun, may - to a large degree - reflect the Akartian civilisation at large.
2. It is unclear when and why they would reject the Plejaren offer.
But CR31 *) (very end of the CR) states clearly that even in 1975 (when Akart had already 23 billion people) they wanted to find a new world to live on.
But that a wider travel though space was not possible to them because of some missing technique:
Billy: “… but are there not other races also coming to Earth and why are they not helping this overpopulated race?”
Ptaah: 31:1056 “… The reason for not helping this overpopulated race is that it has in its development not yet progressed far enough for providing them with bigger technical and other assistance and opportunities… (they are still too addicted to the material and worldly”
In conclusion:
It is true that real vision contacts can be misused (the prime example being the Gize Intel (Fatima/Lourdes).
But the case in point is not to evaluate other real visions but Arthur Berlet’s real vision, Akart's and his motives and what do Semjase and Ptaah tell us about the Akartians.
Arthur was not out for fame and fortune. And the Akartian are presented as “peaceful“, "in need of help" but “respecting others needs”. This all supports Semjase's calling Athar and Kohun her ”dear friends”.
From combining this information I infer that the Real Vision contact the Akartians established with Arthur Berlet was truthful.
But I agree that we may need more information to judge it completely.
Salome, Bill
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_031 |
Cpl
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Post Number: 1210
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2020 - 02:03 pm: |
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Thanks for the feedback, Bill.
It is indeed an interesting situation to me. I notice in CR 38 that it does not specify that the two are from Akart, only from around that vicinity, and it seems, by mentioning other dimensions and time configurations there rather than Akart. The two could perhaps be from another planet in that location or from a different time configuration there. There is also no mention of the planet the two come from of being vastly overpopulated. If they are indeed from Akart, how do they have beamships and dear friendship with the Plejarens without being members of the Federation, and how could they be members with their massive overpopulation which would obviate any such possibility?
But then, perhaps they are from Akart and were about to join the Plejaren Federation when their population exploded preventing membership?
As you say, we could do with a bit more clarification here to know for sure.
Chris
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1165
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2020 - 05:48 am: |
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>>> It was only through investigations in 2003 - 2006, through a new Sonaer technique, that the Plejaren were able to verify contacts between earth humans and aliens to Earth <<<
Yes, Chris the CRs contain some ‘loose ends’ that keep a reader guessing.
This is what I can deduce from the CRs in 1975 ^):
1. We do not know how many liveable planets are in the Proxima Centauri [=Alpha Centauri] *) SOL system **) but we know it is an "earth-like" planet - this may indicate there is (like in our SOL system) only one inhabited planet in Alpha Centauri.
2. According to Horst Fenner’s report ***), Kohun explained that they have many friends here on Earth with whom they are in contact – who work “for/on behalf of them” ****).
3. So who may these "many friends" be?
In CR 38 Semjase tells Billy about Earth people who were in contact with ETs *****)
3a) - As real contacts: Dr. h.c. Daniel Fry /USA, Josefina Burkmen from South Africa, Charles A. Maney/USA and Alois Rickenbach/Switzerland, Wilburt B. Smith for Canada ******)
3b) - Furthermore - if we exclude the forcibly contacted persons – people that had a real “real vision” Arthur Berlet could be one of them. And perhaps Dr. Joao Freitas de Guimares (as well from) Brazil, Horst Raps / Germany ?
But in 2006 (CR424) Ptaah tells Billy:
4.They [the Plejaren] were misled which could be interpreted as “what Semjase told Billy in 1975 (CR 38) may not be true at all” – that it was only to the newer technologies of the Sonaer ^^) that they allowed them to thoroughly investigate contacts between Earth humans and alien to Earth people.
Ptaah in 2006 to Billy: “unfortunately we let ourselves be deceived in respect to alleged contacts between human beings of Earth and beings foreign to Earth…real contacts were made only through impulse contacts…”
“ONLY THROUGH THIS NEW [SONAER] TECHNOLOGY .. WAS IT POSSIBLE for us to investigate in the most detailed manner – many years in the past- and to FIND THE TRUTH IN ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE ACCEPTED AS TRUTH FOR ABOUT 100 YEARS ALTHOUGH THEY WERE WRONG AND DID NOT REPRESENT THE TRUTH.”
THROUGH THE POSSIBILITY, STILL INCOMPREHENSIBLE FOR US, THAT HUMAN BEINGS OF EARTH ARE ABLE TO BATHE IN LIES AND PRESUMPTIONS, WE …LET OURSELVES BE DECEIVED AND LED ASTRAY…”
5. Ptaah mentions as well another group of contacts which were not mentioned by Semjase:
“The teachers in India who taught you – they had in part physical and in part conscious contact with us…” (first with Sfath then with Asket) He mentions the one contact in South America that took place – which must have been the Horst Fenner contact.
He adds as well the contacts they (Plejaren) had with Earth humans - contacts that were known to Billy ^^^)
After analysing Ptaah's information in CR 38, 60 and 424 I am not quite sure if what Ptaah told Billy in 2006 erases all real vision contacts stated in CR 38 – in particular Arthur Berlet (AB)’s RV contact:
If we accept that Kohun and Athar had "many Earth human contacts" it may not erase some (e.g. AB's) RV contact.
As we said - it is not very clear.
But, due to the lack of a motive, it would be hard to believe, that AB deceived others.
And Scott’s question to Billy “why would AB’s report match in many details with what we know from Horst Fenner and the CRs?” is a very valid question, indeed.
Salome, Bill
PS
It may be best to inform the reader of CR 38 that many of the info stated there may be superseded by CR 424.
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*) Latin Proxima = nearest
Proxima Centauri is the star [of the Centaur System that is] nearest star to Earth
**) Another name for Proxima Centauri is Alpha Centauri
It is a SOL system with 2 suns (like our SOL system) but the 2 suns are relatively close together (distance between the 2 suns: ca. 23 times the distance Earth to [our] sun)
Ptaah explains to Billy that Alpha Centauri is the “next inhabited” SOL system ca. 5 Light years from Earth.
***) As Semjase does not point to any unrealities in Horst Fenner’s report we may accept it as true.
****) “Them“ could be Athar / Kohun or the race of their planet
*****) Kohun mentions Billy as well as Quetzal and Semjase as most important contacts. But these never worked for “them”.
^) Semjase mentions as well as real contacts Dr. h.c. Daniel Fry /USA and a “few others” which we should – so Ptaah in CR424 in 2006, exclude them as the Plejaren were deceived by the Gize Intel.
We do not know who the “few others” were.
^^) The Sonaer are friends of Asket’s race
^^^) E.g.
Else Schröder in 1975 in Zahedran, Iran, seeing Semjase who was taking a time capsule ^*) from the ground with a digging machine (PPK Vol 1, pages 238-240)
Billy’s wife meeting accidentally – for a moment – Ptaah
Billy’s driver who caught Quetzal via his car’s beam light in the distance
^*) The Timurs (Asket’s people) had teleported a time capsule to Earth. But through a tiny error – due to the high rotation speed of Earth - the capsule “landed” much further east
^^^^)
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Special_Bulletin_038 |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1093
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2020 - 10:34 am: |
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Just an observation as we talk about Global Warming and the finite details regarding the Contact Reports. It’s interesting how we (FIGU) folks talk about extraterrestrials and other human inhabited planets, different dimensions, etc., as a matter of fact; was this not the original intent as subjective opinions / thoughts and cognitive reasoning that these Contact Reports were supposed to communicate? It would be safe to say that all associated with FIGU are far ahead of the general public in understanding the truth.
Bill, you said, “^*) The Timurs (Asket’s people) had teleported a time capsule to Earth. But through a tiny error – due to the high rotation speed of Earth - the capsule “landed” much further east.”
Maybe I need to talk to Asket about the math proofs for Pi, especially the fact that one can use the sides of Kepler's Golden Ratio Triangle to square the circumference of the circle to the perimeter of the square and thus reduce that equation to Pi = 4 / sqrt (Phi) = 3.144605511...
Just a little levity
Salome
Kenneth |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1168
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| | Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 01:05 am: |
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Yes, Kenneth, she may thank you for it 
And yes, it is global warming which we should talk about...
And, as I read that Sydney is again hit by pollution and "brown rain", maybe this 1991 foresight-warning from Ptaah for all people living in the southern hemisphere which seems to indicate that global warming will hit the southern hemisphere more than the northern hemisphere:
[See CR 242:20] http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_242 |
Tat_tvam_asi
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| | Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 01:07 am: |
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(I am very sorry about this. But this is what Ptaah said...) |
Newinitiation
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| | Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 07:18 pm: |
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That's impossible |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1172
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 25, 2020 - 05:49 am: |
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Kohun did not come from Akart
Re-reading the CRs is truly a very worthwhile enterprise.
It provides the reader with missing puzzle pieces of information ...
1. Chris, you were right: Kohun came from a different planet than Akart. (We may assume that this may apply as well to Athar) Billy explains that in 1986 some 99 % of the population of Kohun's planet perished. This is very different to the information we have about Akart. So they must have been different planets.
Details see CR 249 (between CR 249:82-83)
www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_249
This explains as well what Ptaah meant when he said in CR 31:1037:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_031
"DIFFERENT WORLDS over there (in the star system closest to our sun) are inhabited by humans which hardly differ from you [Earth humans]."
IOW - there are different planets in this star system = at least 2 of them: Akart and Kohun's planet
2. From Billy's and Ptaah's information:
Kohun's planet had, through the heavy intake of refugees*) from war-torn other planets and the doubling of the population within a few years become so overpopulated that, in 1986, nature - through terrible epidemics and natural catastrophes - caused all but 1.26 billion (out of 120 billion!!) people to die.
3. I need as well to correct somewhat what I said in relation to Proxima Centauri and Alpha Centauri.
Astronomers had for a long time questioned whether Proxima Centauri (original name: Alpha Centauri C) was a part of Alpha Centauri A and Alpha Centauri B but they finally decided they all are separate:
So in the closer to our sun area (ca. 4.24 light years away) there are 3 stars **):
1- Proxima Centauri, a red dwarf star that is nearest to our sun .
2- Alpha Centauri A yellow star like our sun(52 % more luminous and 10 % more massive than our sun) and
3- Alpha Centauri B yellow star like our sun(10 % less massive, 55 % less luminous than our sun)
Apha Centauri A and B orbit a common center of gravity every 80 years.
4. Kohun came from the "Centauri area"
There are many stars in the Centauri constellation but we may assume that "Centauri area" may be one the 3 close to sun stars mentioned above.
5. As Kohun's planet took so may refugees from war-torn other planets we may assume that as well some of Akart's rapid rise in population may have been due to refugee intake.
(But this is only a speculation = there is no information in the CRs)
Salome, Bill
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*) Only 3.7 (!!) billion people were actually born on Kohun's planet. But 62 (!!) billion refugees flooded in - and within years the planet's population doubled: It may explain some of Billy's stand re refugee intake
**)Beta Centauris or Barnard Star (where refugees from Pelegon's race fled to) is another red dwarf, it is second closed to our sun (ca. 5.9 light years away). It is not a part of the Alpha Centauri star system.
NB Our scientists tell us that it has a super large (3.2 the size of Earth) but as well super cold Earth like planet - no wonder that Pelegon's refugees wanted to leave this icy Star War like planet again... |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1094
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Wow,
I did not catch this before; there were refugees to Kohun's planet from 26 different worlds due to war!
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Billy:
But why could they accumulate or give birth to so many people before nature and life drastically intervened?
Ptaah:
86. Not all people on the planet itself were born, but only their 3.7 billion.
87. Another 62 billion came from planets other than refugees, from 26 different worlds, which were eliminated by an interplanetary war after humans could still flee.
88. Within a few years, the great mass of humanity on the planet in question doubled, while the epidemics and catastrophes eradicated billions of people early on, before the final great deaths began.
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Billy:
Aber warum konnten die denn derart viele Menschen ansammeln oder gebären, ehe die Natur und das Leben drastisch eingriffen?
Ptaah:
86. Es wurden nicht alle Menschen auf dem Planeten selbst geboren, sondern nur deren 3,7 Milliarden.
87. Weitere 62 Milliarden kamen von anderen Planeten als Flüchtlinge, und zwar von 26 verschiedenen Welten, die durch einen interplanetaren Krieg eliminiert wurden, nachdem die Menschen noch flüchten konnten.
Kenneth |
Cpl
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Post Number: 1211
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Thank you for these additional comments and CR links, Bill. A population of 120 billion is an unimaginably large number. However, in my lifetime of 71 years, our planet has quadrupled in population. Unless we change our ways, in another 70 years Earth may have to suffer the consequences of an insane population number of 36 billion. Our future is clear: We will change because we must; or we start to die off in huge numbers due to our insane overpopulation.
Chris
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Newinitiation
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'That is impossible' is a youtube channel with footage of natural disasters from all over the globe.
Bill if you look at one of the video around a week ago it shows all the natural disasters from OZ which happened that week.
These videos show better indication of the consequences of global warming than what you read in the papers.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 25, 2020 - 02:10 pm: |
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Hi Kenneth do you have the source for this contact conversation?
Cheers
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2176
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Gee Chris I didn't think you were that old or rather spent that much time conscious in this incarnation cycle not that its problem its just the youthful exuberance behind your posts gave the impression that you were younger.
Matt lee |
Scott
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 25, 2020 - 06:26 pm: |
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I don't think I have ever heard age referred to as "conscious in this incarnation cycle"....Good one Matt ... |
Kenneth
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Matt lee (Newinitiation),
This is from Contact Report 249
Ptaah:
86. Not all people on the planet itself were born, but only their 3.7 billion.
87. Another 62 billion came from planets other than refugees, from 26 different worlds, which were eliminated by an interplanetary war after humans could still flee.
88. Within a few years, the great mass of humanity on the planet in question doubled, while the epidemics and catastrophes eradicated billions of people early on, before the final great deaths began.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_249
Kenneth
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