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    Cpl Member Post Number: 1212 Registered: 08-2004 |
"That old," Matt? Ha ha. Age is a fascinating phenomenon. I feel younger now than I did in my 50s and early 60s. My health is better now too. My students often don't believe how old I am. It takes a few weeks or months until they realise I'm telling the truth. "Look at my grey hair," I insist. "But you have a full head of hair!" they exclaim. My Facebook Chris Lock avatar is me at about 69. Eat well but little, drink only good drinks, sleep 6-8 hours a night, work well, and think and meditate well -- all easier said than done in our present world, but very doable. These IMO just about do the trick of keeping one at a proper age looking level which is younger than the current average. I don't feel any age -- except perhaps older than 25. After a few days of sleep deprivation, however, I begin to look and feel an aged man. I don't know what this has to do with global warming, but I do feel cooler in temperature for living my lifestyle, so I don't think I'd be well suited to living in Alaska, but maybe it's also pretty much what, in a nutshell, the Plejaren have been recommending in their numerous answers to Billy's questions. The lower intake of food, I guess I eat about 1 - 2 times a day, should lower one's carbon footprint and the decimation of our planet's flora and fauna. I find the issue less one of our CO2 production and carbon footprint though than one of too little O2 and too much energy use. Governments push the former to receive boatloads of money in taxes from others to paper over their financial wastage and ineptitude, and these new tax funds will doubtless result in merely more financial wastage and the divergence of funds from research into ultimately more government debt. The latter -- O2 and energy -- relate directly to us as people on the planet and our existence here. We need oxygen, but destroy that which creates it so we can live and eat. Everything we humans do and make requires and creates energy and heat that take their toll upon our planet. Overpopulation is the primary cause of heating our planet and the cause of its ills. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1213 Registered: 08-2004 |
I rather like the turn of phrase, "conscious in this incarnation cycle," Matt. Rather than teaching my students to ask, "How old are you?" I should teach them to ask, "How many years have you been conscious in this incarnation cycle?" Problem is, it's a terminological exactitude and as we all know, the truth is not popular on planet Earth. Students and speakers -- and also teachers -- want to keep things simple. What about, "How many solar cycles are you?" Or "How many solar circumnavigations have you completed?" I'm on my 72nd circuit. If travel creates heat no wonder the globe is warming.  Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1214 Registered: 08-2004 |
It's a very sobering thought, Kenneth. It shows just how violent out there the universe is. The Plejaren have mentioned this a number of times and have even had to leave Billy at times to go off on important missions away from here. Presumably they were involved in that interplanetary war to some lesser or major degree too. We should ensure we are well protected when we venture into the outer regions of space. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2177 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hehe making it up as I go Scott ;-) Matt lee | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1096 Registered: 04-2013 |
Chris, Hmmm, you just described me, except my hair is still dark brown. I'm on my 73rd conscious incarnation cycle of solar circumnavigation. Have taught at the U of A (University of Arizona) and Arizona Pima Community College on invitation, regarding electrical theory and electrical-mechanical engineering on a limited venue. Conversely, pupils are now worldwide, imparting seeds of Truth and knowledge regarding global warming, overpopulation and 99942 Apophis to name a few. You are correct, the Truth is not popular on planet Earth; nonetheless, expanding on what Bill (Tat_tvam_asi) stated, in retrospect; not lecturing (but seeking information from) the one to teach Socrates’ style…//…Instead of trying to convince others, ask question after question until those doubting realize the flaws in their arguments. Many folks are where I was many years ago, most have no idea about the Truth regarding overpopulation or global warming, aka climate change etc. Using what I recognized in my ignorance on the subject matter actually helps me to acknowledge where most folks viewpoint is coming from today. Salome Kenneth | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1175 Registered: 04-2011 |
A continent on Fire and Epidemics - A Call for Action Add-on to Chris’ very valid argument that the overpopulation on our planet calls for an urgent response: Horst Fenner met Kohun and Athar in 1975. Only 11 years later 99 % of their planet’s population had perished. So Billy asked Ptaah how long “did the process [that killed 119 billion people] take ”? *) Ptaah: "The time of the great dying lasted only 21 months." Billy: "Ahh - Man [oh man]! - 119 billion people dead in only 21 months! If nature and life do strike - they do strike thoroughly! And yet - this is insanity [insane]!" Ptaah: "Nature and life do not regard this as such, for they are not capable of this [they are not capable of acting insanely]. However, they are able to impulsively grasp a situation that is dangerous for nature and life, from which then inevitably the appropriate countermeasures are triggered.." So what does this tell us? The unfolding cataclysms we witness - they are nature's cause and effect - reminding our world leaders to openly discuss the root cause of all the terribleness the planet is experiencing... - This is not the time of disunity, "divide, conquer and kill" - this is the time to unite and balance excesses. Because nothing can stop nature. It will not pause its evolution but must attach its curse to all inaction. Salome, Bill *) CR249:96-98 http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_249 | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 731 Registered: 07-2006 |
Kenneth, Please be aware that all large numbers were provided in the contact report are inaccurate (use caution with all contact reports with the 'Translator(s)' is identified as: DeepL Translator). Based on the FIGU Dictionary this should be translated as: 86. Not all human beings were born on the planet itself, but rather there were only 3.7 thousand-million. 86. Es wurden nicht alle Menschen auf dem Planeten selbst geboren, sondern nur deren 3,7 Milliarden. 87. Another 62 thousand-million came from other planets as refugees, and indeed from 26 various worlds which were eliminated through an interplanetary war, after which the human beings were still able to flee. 87. Weitere 62 Milliarden kamen von anderen Planeten als Flüchtlinge, und zwar von 26 verschiedenen Welten, die durch einen interplanetaren Krieg eliminiert wurden, nachdem die Menschen noch flüchten konnten. 88. Within a few years then the great mass of human beings doubled itself on the said planets, while already early on thousands-of-millions of human-beings were erased away by the epidemics and catastropes, before the ultimate great dying began. 88. Innerhalb weniger Jahre verdoppelte sich dann so die grosse Masse Menschheit auf dem besagten Planeten, während schon frühzeitig die Seuchen und Katastrophen Milliarden von Menschen wegradierten, ehe das endgültig grosse Sterben begann. Please be sure to observe/follow the information given in the contacts on FOM that are identified as Translated by: DeepL Translator in the FOM contact report which also states: This is the entire contact report. It is an authorised but unofficial DeepL preliminary English translation and most probably contains errors. Please note that all errors and mistakes etc. will continuously be corrected, depending on the available time of the involved persons (as contracted with Billy/FIGU). Therefore, do not copy-paste and publish this version elsewhere, because any improvement and correction will occur HERE in this version! please also see in the FIGU Dictionary, the translation of Milliarde as thousand-million at: http://dict.figu.org/node/9250 This is explained further in the FIGU Dictionary entry for Billion as million-million at: http://dict.figu.org/node/9248 where in the German Description it says: With Billy it was decided on 22-Aug-2011, in the English for Billion not to use "trillion" and for Milliarden not to use "billion", since it could cause confusion. Mit Billy wurde am 22.08.2011 beschlossen, im Englischen für Billionen nicht "trillion" und für Milliarden nicht "billion" zu verwenden, da es Verwechslungen geben könnte. For a better understanding of translating large number values from German to English please see: https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=eVQgyH0YknQ%3d&tabid=305&portalid=0 Hope this helps PatM | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2179 Registered: 07-2005 |
Well I hope all the good health and happiness to you Chris as you are old enough to be me old man but look like you have less white hair than I. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that the studies into the spiritual teachings had some part to play in you discovering a modest fountain of youth effect. I also think that consumption is the issue also. Imagine if everyone on earth stopped eating 3 meals or more a day and didn't buy anything that they didn't need how much better the quality of air would be thus having much less destructive impact on earth despite the growing population. If human beings kept still and did nothing but think we would be so much better off environment wise. In the movie 'Parasite' by Kim Bong Jo it highlights in the most brilliant allegorical and metaphorical terms the relationship between the rich and the poor and how essentially we are all parasites feeding off of each other at each others expense and how that arrangement also impacts upon the environment. Billy mentioned WUV so the problems of global warming and overpopulation and WUV aren't mutually exclusive but in a closed loop is the effect and the cause of each other. Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2180 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks Kenneth like the engineer that you are I have noticed that you are very methodical in your approach to the studies and you notice the devil in the details. Cheers Matt lee | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1097 Registered: 04-2013 |
Patm, Ah yes, thank you for this information! Great detail, excellent. "Please be aware that all large numbers were provided in the contact report are inaccurate (use caution with all contact reports with the 'Translator(s)' is identified as: DeepL Translator). Based on the FIGU Dictionary this should be translated as:..." Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1177 Registered: 04-2011 |
Moderators please cancel my previous response to Pat - Thank you. Hi Pat, So which are the correct population nos? Because irrespective of how we translate "Milliarden" (English: a 1000 millions or US English: 1 billion) the fact remains that "3,7 Milliarden" (born there) plus "62 Milliarden" (incoming refugees) adds up to 65.7 Milliarden. IOW - the people on Kohun's planet would have almost doubled their population within 11 years... - which is what Ptaah told Billy "the great mass of human beings DOUBLED ITSELF". Or are there other changes, too? E.g. - the 3.7 "Milliarden" are not 37 Milliarden, are they? I say so because in some CRs the ancient dates added another zero (e.g. Atlant arriving on Earth 133,000 years ago when it should be 33,000 years ago - e.g. CR 70:111 *) Salome, Bill http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_070 | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 732 Registered: 07-2006 |
Tat_tvam_asi (Bill), I think you missed the point of my post. "With Billy it was decided on 22-Aug-2011, in the English for Billion not to use "trillion" and for Milliarden not to use "billion", since it could cause confusion." 3.7 thousand-million + 62 thousand-million = 65.7 thousand-million "billion" should not be used in English translations. Salome PatM | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1178 Registered: 04-2011 |
Important Add-on to post 1175 *) There may be a future effect affecting the people on Kohun’s planet: 1. As the people dying on a planet are – as long as this planet exists - always reborn on this planet the no. of spirit forms assigned to this planet would have rapidly increased. 2. The question would then be when are these spirit forms reborn? We know that for an overpopulating planet the time in the beyond is cut short (and this may have contributed to the accelerated doubling of the population) But as there is only ca. 1 % of the many people left it may take a long time before a spirit form is reborn due to natural birth. But this is my own estimation only. There is, however, one important lesson to learn that may well affect us Earth humans: - Akart took only (from 1975 to 2007) to increase its population (from 23 to 34 thousand millions) – that is, in 32 years it increased by a third - On Kohun’s Planet (which was even more overpopulated) it took some 11 (or less) years to almost double the population From this we may draw the conclusion: 1. The population increase of an overpopulating planet is - as long as there no restrictive measures in place - not linear but accelerated: 2. IOW - The more a planet is overpopulated, (the shorter the re-incarnation cycles =) the quicker the population increase. This acceleration should be considered by those (e.g. UN statisticians) estimating the no of people living on our planet (and their food / water / housing / energy etc. supplies). Salome, Bill ------------------------------------------------ *) https://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/3609.html#POST88454 PS Moderators - Please remove the post 1176 (starting with 37 billion ...) I replaced it because it contradicts what Ptaah said. Please replace with the newer version (ending with my question for Pat). Thank you. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1179 Registered: 04-2011 |
Pat - Thank you. So it is the England English version - I thought so, too, as you may see from my post 1178. Salome, Bill | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 733 Registered: 07-2006 |
Bill (Tat_tvam_asi) 3.7 Milliarden in German = 3.7 billion in English = 3,700,000,000 = 3.7 thousand-million 3.7 Billion in German = 3.7 trillion in English = 3,700,000,000,000 = 3.7 million-million 3.7 Billiarden in German = 3.7 quadrillion in English = 3,700,000,000,000,000 = 3.7 thousand-million-million 3.7 Trillion in German = 3.7 quintillion in English = 3,700,000,000,000,000,000 = 3.7 million-million-million The use of the word Billion or Trillion is what causes confusion especially when the original German is not included with the English translation to confirm whether the billion is the German Billion or English Billion, using the million-million it doesn't matter RE: "3,7 Milliarden" (born there) plus "62 Milliarden" (incoming refugees) adds up to 65.7 Milliarden = 65,700,000,000 the great mass of human beings DOUBLED ITSELF to 131.4 Milliarden or 131.4 thousand-million = 131,400,000,000 is the way I understand this in your example: I say so because in some CRs the ancient dates added another zero (e.g. Atlant arriving on Earth 133,000 years ago when it should be 33,000 years ago - e.g. CR 70:111 *) 111. This was 133,000 Earth years ago, according to your current chronology. 111. Dies war vor 133000 Erdenjahren nach heutiger Zeitrechnung. -This is a correct translation, what make you thing it should be 33,000? Salome PatM | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1180 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Pat, I wanted that readers take to heart that – as time goes on - our overpopulation problem will not be solvable anymore. That the period of the final population increase on both, Akart and Kohun’s planet, show that “the end comes very fast and the destruction is unstoppable”. That what happened on Akart and Kohun’s planet are a “lesson to learn” for our planet. And that, as a consequence of this, ours is not a time to “divide and conquer”, tell others “I am the boss here”, “look at my more terrible weapons” - but to unite and discuss measures how to combat this major problem that is the “mother of all other problems on our planet”. I wanted that our scientists and world leaders ^) become aware of this major problem which causes the disasters on our planet (like e.g. the fires in Australia and the Corona Virus). That, as it becomes more and more impossible to control world’s population spiral, so will the disasters increase – in scale and intensity - that hit humanity. I say so because, as scientists race to develop a vaccine for the new Corona virus, as governments try to combat the Australian fires , there is not anyone mentioning the true source of the epidemic: the overpopulation on our planet. We need world leaders to perceive our world in oneness. We need our scientist to perceive our world as a living organism that evolves, bound by creational laws, not human greed. We need them to see that unless we combat overpopulation there will be more of the same. Because this awareness should spread and is much more important than the English or American translation of “Milliarde” - that is why I only answered you in a short (1 line) reply: I realized the translation differences. But I did not want to divert the attention from the ongoing and much more important discussion. Salome, Bill ^) I do think that some of our leading scientists and world leaders do read what we discuss. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re. your query: I have not the time to assemble all info - so just a few of the more obvious inconsistencies: E.g. CR 70:110 speaks of Pelegon’s race (under the rule of Jesas) being involved in a terrible war. For 700 years Earth was avoided before those descendants that could flee to Beta Centauris (Barnard Star) returned to Earth: According to this Jesas’ war would have ended 133,700 years ago and Atlant arrived 133,000 years ago. CR 70 tells as well that of those that 18,000 years later, 115,000 years ago, Plejaren scientists escaped again to Beta Centauris – stayed there for 2000 years and that they returned under Arus 113,000 years ago. These are CR information. The translation is correct but the dates are obviously wrong: Other FoM information *) tells us that Pelegon arrived in 49,711 BCE on Earth. That in 38,023 BCE (Jesas’) war destroyed Earth. That Atlant arrived 31,000 BCE (=33,000 years ago) Conclusion: It is not 700 but 7000 years that no-one looked after those of Pelegon’s race left behind on Earth (and it is no surprise that during this time they became savage) We know that Arus (which acc to CR 70:125 arrived 113,000 years ago) was still alive when Atlantis and Mu was destroyed in 9498 BCE – is then not the conclusion that his arrival should be 13,000 (rather than 113,000) years ago? I thought these occasional time differences were commonly known. And so are not changed in the CRs I initially wondered whether they would as well play a role for the population nos. of Kohun’s planet. But then I discovered that Ptaah explicitly mentioned that the population almost doubled within a few years, so it really is so that ‘65,7 Milliarden' **) almost doubled into ‘120 Milliarden'**) It is all good, Pat...I am aware that in English English it is “thousand millions” and that this is the agreed translation for our CRs  Salome, Bill *) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Event_Timeline http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Atlant There are any more time notifications in the CRs but I have not the time to search for them one by one. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 734 Registered: 07-2006 |
Bill, you are absolutely correct in the context of what you are saying regarding that we too are on the way to following both Akart and Kohun’s fate of killing ourselves through the unbridled population growth. My translation corrections were not at all intended as a distraction from the important message you were/are trying to share. I will research the inconsistencies you have found and get back to you. Salome PatM | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1181 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you, Pat. Salome, Bill | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 01-2011 |
Now that we know that we are all doomed. How and where do you all feel the spirit forms themselves will handle this situation on the other side? Storage vs aware or sleep stasis for all. And where is the next migration too... Mars! Maybe it's simply going to be home business. Or maybe we do what we are supposed to do and deal with self and spirit together right here and now. Sorry, just a passing thought on my part. bronzedesk Mat And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time. ~ T. S. Eliot | ||
Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 595 Registered: 04-2011 |
Gday Bronzedesk You can think you are doomed if you like, you are master of your destiny. Our Spirits are Forged, they know that. We can either curl up n die or see the evolution potential in what Terra has to offer. Its a bit like how an ice age creates rapid evolution. Meditation will make it so we have luck, i am grateful to incarnate atm, i can see the light is the goal, i know i will overcome all obstacles with a victors readiness. I have more to say about this very soon The future is not set, Love is The Guide, reverence n venerability with neutral positivity Is the Way. Look the disgrace in the eye calm and with a grin, they do know we are coming. 226. In order to make rapid spiritual and consciousness-based progress, the creational thinking human being regards everything and everyone as creatonal. 226. Um rasche geistige und bewusstseinsmässige Fortschritte zu machen, betrachtet der schöpferisch denkende Mensch alles und jedes als schöpferisch. 227. As soon as he sees something, he sees the creative. 227. Sobald er etwas sieht, sieht er das Schöpferische. 228. Behind everything and also in its manifestations, the creative always stands before him. 228. Hinter allem und auch in ihren Erscheinungsformen selbst steht immer das Schöpferische vor ihm. 229. Therefore, the creation-minded person does not run here and not there to gain the highest experience, but just where he is, he always finds the best place to gain recognition and experience. 229. Daher läuft der schöpfungsdenkende Mensch nicht hierhin und nicht dorthin, um höchste Erfahrung zu erlangen, sondern gerade da wo er ist, findet er immer den besten Ort, um Erkennung und Erfahrung zu sammeln. 230. His spirit to be formed and his consciousness are in him and not in any other place. 230. Sein zu bildender Geist und sein Bewusstsein sind in ihm und nicht an irgendwelchen andern Orten. 231. By his own thinking and acting he must form his spirit and consciousness. 231. Durch sein eigenes Denken und Handeln muss er Geist und Bewusstsein bilden. 232. Out of this knowledge his attitude becomes a sanctuary, and all things with him become holy – even the earth under his feet. 232. Aus dieser Erkenntnis heraus wird seine Einstellung zu einem Heiligtum, und auch alle Dinge mit ihm werden heilig – auch die Erde unter seinen Füssen. 233. The creational-thinking human being does not regard the future as the time to experience creation and his/her spirit dwelling in it, but the immediate present, Meditation is wow, i will explain (one reason) why it can be more than you realise. Let a light lead the way, the candle meditation while visualising your sun will make it easy to overcome. (In the past and future we can store wisdom on any symbol.) I know howto overcome pathogens/virus/cancer etc.. i have posted about it 4 or more years ago, i will do another post asap. Salome ilovebilly Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1215 Registered: 08-2004 |
Bronzedesk, According to the Meier material, the earth will not perish completely for a long time. Our spirit forms will reincarnate here -- and inhabit personalities living harder lives in more difficult times for a few hundred years. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 634 Registered: 02-2010 |
Mat(bronzedesk) I see it as an opportunity to correct myself and continue to progress despite the forecast of doom, meaning focusing on myself by re-attaining my powers and capabilities. Personally, we're going to witness destruction after destruction and sit helplessly by and be unable to help or make much of a difference regarding the majority of the planet. Yet, it does not mean we can neglect our duties to ourselves. We are still required to live by the teaching of the truth, teaching of the spirit and the teaching of the life. In order words, there are no excuses for the "ones who know". I'm still confused about the role of the 144,000 or so people or helpers? Are they among us now? Does anyone know? MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all) | ||
Aristea Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 06-2019 |
Yes Michelle, it's definitely difficult to just sit and watch what's going on everywhere and not be able to influence any outcomes. It must be a bit like doctors, who see patient after patient coming in with a life-altering sickness, and to know that the best they can offer is temporary relief from the suffering and inevitable outcome, which for all of us is death. I have spent many years just doing my little jobs where I live and watching people around me, being helpful where I was able or welcome to help, and sometimes being unhelpful through my inability to deal with the problems being presented. I have come to the time now, where I enjoy my sleep better than my waking life.. . . .and seem to have more interesting and even useful interactions in my dreams. Unfortunately, I'm not in a place where anybody seems to take me seriously, and have nothing to say about anything (which philosophically puts me where Socrates left himself. . . in that he was sure that he knew nothing). Keep on trucking. I have purchased a car and am going on some road trips this summer. |
