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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1268
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 08:54 am: | 
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>>> Gamma Interferon? <<<
Many scientists question "why is it that some patients only have mild – while others have very severe COVID-19 symptoms?"
From today’s news reports tell us that the severity of the disease depends on "how far the virus progresses inside the human body".
Dr. Maria van Kerkhove / WHO Health Emergencies Programme: If the virus multiplies in the respiratory tract “you have mild cases which look like a common cold (82 %) … but 15 % of the case are severe and 3 % of those are classified as critical…”
But there is not one word why one person is "so lucky" (that the virus does not progress further than the trachea (= windpipe) and the other is not.
Ptaah’s information(CR 731 / 17) is much clearer:
“Our observations and findings also show that the Corona Virus, the second strain that mutated genetically, behaves very aggressively to lethally in the human organism, depending on the corresponding [immune state=] state of the immune system, as well as reluctantly, which leads to recovery, although this does not correspond to a complete destruction of the virus…”
So, whether the virus “behaves lethally or reluctantly” – it all depends on the immune system of an infected person.
We have already discussed some methods re strengthening the immune system (e.g. high intake of vitamin C etc.)
But there may be one more:
In CR238:362 - 384 Billy and Ptaah discuss an immune-strengthening drug that human beings could use prophylactically – as a daily food supplement – which would be a "high-quality defence substance" - as well against “even the most persistent” viruses.
CR238:371
"The substance GAMMA-INTERFERON is a natural product of chemical transformation, e.g. when milk is transformed into YOGHURT or KEFIR."
CR 238:372
"So it is only necessary to withdraw the GAMMA-INTERFERON from the mentioned products and convert it into a drug."
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CR 238:378
"It (Gamma Interferon) is capable of preventing and nipping almost any disease in the bud, even cancer of all kinds, because taken and used in appropriate quantities it is capable of destroying even the most persistent viruses, not to mention less persistent pathogens..."
We know from Ptaah that having a strong immune system is the key to resist COVID-19 virus.
So extracting Gamma Interferon and using it as a means to boost the immune system – it, too, should save many human lives….
Salome, Bill
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Figu has a brochure re. Gamma Interferon.
But is the German text (or the English version of it) available on the net? |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1269
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 09:01 am: |
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BTW:
The German Forum points to the fact that “Gamma Interferon” is mentioned several times in the COVID-19 handbook
(“Handbook of COVID-19 Prevention and Treatment”) which Zhejiang University published in many languages on the net …
It may be no accident …
Acc. to Forum post of Jan 01, 2019 (see post 922 / “Prophecies and Predictions”) the “Chinese are already now developing an artificial Moon 8 times brighter than our Moon to illuminate city streets at night” a venture that bears all the hallmarks of the "nocturnal dawning" that CR 251:264 mentions ^)
IOW -
Chinese scientists – so it seems – they are listening to Billy’s info – much more than their western counterparts …
^)
CR251:264: Shortly after that the time comes when the 'nocturnal dawning" comes into effect, as another prediction says.
CR251:265: This is a new technical achievement by which the night side of the planet Earth is to be illuminated by an artificial sun from a space station, although no daylight is obtained, but only a bright twilight state. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1270
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 09:02 am: |
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German Original to the passages in the previous posts (My translations may contain errors)
CR238:371 „Der Stoff GAMMA-INTERFERON ist ein natürliches Produkt chemischer Umwandlung, so z.B. wenn Mich zu Joghurt oder zu Kefir umgewandelt wird.“
CR238:372: „Also ist es allein erforderlich, dass das GAMMA-INTERFERON den genannten Produkten entzogen und zu einem Medikament umgearbeitet wird.“
CR238:378: „Es vermag beinahe jegliche Krankheit zu verhindern und im Keime zu ersticken, sogar Krebs aller Art, denn in angemessener Menge eingenommen und angewendet, vermag es selbst hartnäckigste Viren zu zerstören, ganz zu schweigen von weniger beständigen Krankheitserregern.“
CR 731:17)
„ Unsere Feststellungen und Erkenntnisse zeigen auch auf, dass der sich zweitweise genverändernde Corona-Virus im Organismus des Menschen je nach dem entsprechenden Immunzustand sehr aggressiv bis tödlich verhält, wie anderseits aber auch zurückhaltend, wodurch sich eine Genesung ausbildet, wobei diese jedoch nicht einer vollständigen Vernichtung des Virus entspricht.“
CR251:264. „Kurz danach kommt dann die Zeit, zu der die 'Nachtdämmerung' zur Geltung gelangt, wie eine weitere Voraussage besagt.“
CR251:265. „Dabei handelt es sich um eine neue technische Errungenschaft, durch die von einer Raumstation aus jeweils die Nachtseite des Planeten Erde durch eine künstliche Sonne erhellt werden soll, wobei allerdings kein Tageslicht, sondern nur ein heller Dämmerungszustand erreicht wird.“ |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1271
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 09:06 am: |
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Many thanks for the translations, Scott.
Salome, Bill |
Scott
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Post Number: 3066
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 11:46 am: |
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This info came from a KG member, and per a conversation with Billy from another member.
"The current lockdowns which are being implemented by governments are useless ....
All countries should implement complete lockdown for at least 3 - 8 Months ... Which include business .... Then only we will have a chance against the virus ....
Exception being Food Transportation, Medicine, Energy & Garbage ....
There is No medicine ....
If people are illogical , then the economy will Collapse ....
If people are logical then it won't collapse ....
It COULD BE that more than 1/2 Billion will die from this virus during the pandemic.
Bodies after death can carry the virus for a long time, so for the time being cremation is recommended.
Ptaah confirmed that all mammals can get it. Might be an update on this soon to include other animals types, but not sure yet.
(Message edited by scott on April 08, 2020) |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1272
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2020 - 05:59 am: |
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“Good advice jars the ears …”
Thank you, Scott. And thank you, Billy, for your advice.
The big question - how to make this clear to our world leaders, their 'health advisers', the media, the W. ’Health’ O.?
Will they realize this good advice - so different to their own ideas?
Salome, Bill |
Markv
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2020 - 08:20 am: |
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Thanks Scott.
I'm interpreting the "no medicine" point as alluding to exactly what Ptaah said, meaning that no medicine will outright eliminate the virus because this is simply not how things owrk...
However, at least 2 drugs are being researched (which have been mentioned here) which have shown promise in vitro of blocking the receptor site upon which COVID-19 docks. They are Camostat mesylate (currently undergoing human clinical trials in Denmark) and Ivermectin (not yet in clinical trials). These do not eliminate the virus; the body's immune system has to do it's own work, as Ptaah described. However, they do show promise for impairing the spread of the virus within the body.
My understanding of Ptaah's following (unofficially translated) statement:
"but has been genetically altered again as such or as a result of an impulse symptom change, is triggered as a new altered disease."
Is that a newly acquired virus would cause an "impulse symptom change" of the aforementioned "residual/remnant" impulses, causing them to "trigger" or "assist" the newly-acquired virus in "breaking-out". It certainly makes sense when considered alongside the phenomenon of things following "grooves" or "ingrained-patterns", etc.
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Bill, I haven't seen the studies to which you're referring regarding interferon gamma, but since it is an immuno-modulating cytokine, it is logical that it would be discussed because scientists are observing "cytokine storms" in the Covid patients. A cytokine storm is "an overproduction of immune cells and their activating compounds". Cytokine storms are believed to be a major precipitator of death amongst flu victims of the past, and now with COVID-19 patients.
I'm eating my fermented foods as a precautionary measure though, as Ptaah advised in CR238. I don't know if the "Interferon Gamma 1b" pharmaceutical drug produces the same effect which Ptaah spoke of; I also have no idea how difficult it would be to get, but it'd probably be difficult at this point imo.} |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1446
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2020 - 10:34 am: |
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Bill,
Regarding how to make it clear, etc.:
https://wp.me/p9pOgh-2mV
https://theyflyblog.com/2020/04/07/breaking-news-daily-mail-confirms-billy-meier-covid-19-info/ |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2268
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2020 - 05:56 pm: |
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Contact 735
Ptaah This will be so, as well as that elements will question everything stupidly-
boldly, in order to make themselves important with it, but on the other hand, it will
lead further, namely, that elements, which have become addicted to a know-it-all
urge, will think up false theories and spread false information. Unfortunately, it will
also be the case that experts will not accept the truth, because they are not able to
access teachings that are incomprehensible to them, or to consider unknown,
foreign insights and higher knowledge that have been brought to them, and
therefore cannot accept them in their arrogance.
As Arahat Athersata says 'crassest forms of egotism is the greatest motivating factor in the human beings' it is only inevitable and befitting from such a mental condition that this pandemic situation has gotten this badly out of control and will continue to get worse because of it.
As Billy in his unfathomable modesty states that its not the messenger that is important but rather the message but as we all know here the predominantly rock stupid members of the public and the false leaders, being so arrogant and self aggrandized in their heads to the hilt, will obsess about titles titles and more titles.
They in their blindness care more about 'who' said what rather that the substance and the content of the message which is why as soon as you relay this life saving information to various so called authorities, like some sort of magnetic cryptonite, they are all repelled by it without even a single acknowledgement nor a courtesy response.
I mean how goldfish stupid can it get that something that could pretty much guarantee their life and limb is rejected simply because it comes from Theyflyblog or FIGU sources.
Yet if they choose to ignore such a life saving information it'll be to their own detriment and loss.
There is no medicine for stupidity nor unreasonableness.
Its not unreasonable to conclude that by and large the people who comprise much of the important institutional and executive leadership positions of various public and private organisations around the world are occupied by some the most shallow, crassest, self aggrandizing, egomaniacal, selfish, self centered, self obsessed, egotistical, concrete stupid, self impressed, incompetent, unqualified, immoral, amoral, unreasonable, weak, cowardly, unthinking and eel like cunning types that seems to flock to these position to either prop up their fragile ego, to offset a perceived personal weakness and flaw, to compensate, to use it as a vehicle for personal gain and advantage, to satisfy their lust for control and to dominate other people, to make themselves important, to boost their ego, to show off, to improve their social standing and to enjoy the perks that comes with such a position.
How on earth could people possibly expect these types of people who don't even have their priorities straightened out be able to make proper, reasonable and informed decisions on behalf of the greater masses of people with their institutional power with the kind of deficient motivation, ideas and intentions that they are functioning each day from.
If it wasn't for the fact that grave life threatening consequences didn't result from the actions and decisions that these false leaders make there wouldn't be any need to talk about them and to call them out for what it is but seeing as the current results from this pandemic speaks for itself over and over again people must learn to be self reliant as they are basically on their own on this
The lesson once again is for people to take full responsibility for their own life, thoughts, feelings and actions and don't rely on the government, the false leaders, perceived authorities, institutional power players, one's neighbours etc and to make informed decision based on one's own decision, volition, discernment, critical thinking, consideration, research, study, learning, logic, effort, striving, freewill etc especially during pandemics and global financial crisis like this.
Matt lee |
Scott
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Post Number: 3067
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2020 - 09:53 pm: |
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I think part of the problem, is the varying degrees of evolution on this planet. Instead of having a race of beings who for the most part are on the same page, we have what seems to be a very diversified assortment of spirit forms with varying degrees of evolution and understanding. The unfortunate part of this problem is that the “higher” evolved people will attempt to pass on their knowledge to the lesser evolved, but due to disparity in wisdom, this can and does fall on deaf ears…considering how long evolution takes I don’t see the situation improving in the near future. At this point, as Billy has demonstrated over and over again is that we can only repeat over and over again the message until hopefully the truth will eventually find roots… |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1273
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, April 10, 2020 - 09:57 am: |
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Hi Mark,
You are right, like Ivermectin, Camostat may as well inhibit a protein that the virus needs to become lethal...
Re. Interferon
In a simplified manner of speaking:
1. (Almost) all cells in our body generate (alpha, beta, gamma) “Interferons”, a group of proteins that “interfere” in the proliferation of viruses
2. These interferons do no not stop the virus’ from multiplying directly but they stimulate the production of proteins in the infected and neighbouring cells which then try to block the virus from replicating:
a. When a Cell is infected with a virus it releases “Interferon alpha” and “interferon beta” molecules which warn the immune system
b. In response to these “warnings from other cells” white blood cells release “interferon gamma” to fight off the viral intruder.
There are studies on the net re. the effects of IFN Beta and IFN Gamma reducing the viral replication of SARS-CoV which is somewhat similar to SARS-CoV-2 (SARS-CoV-2 has about 70 % sequence similarity with this 2002 SARS CoV.)
See e.g. “Interferon-beta and interferon-gamma synergistically inhibit the replication of SARS – associated coronavirus”)
RE. “Cytokine Storm” ('cyto' =Greek for 'cell' 'kinos' = 'movement')
Yes, there are many reports that this “Ausartung” (cytokine storm) could be what makes COVID-19 so lethal. Normally the immune system releases just enough cytokines into the bloodstream to fight off the intruder. But in the case of COVID-19, according to some scientists– due to the fact that the virus in the lungs is not recognizable to the immune system - the immune system generates more and more interferons, a “suicide attack” really, as this kills off many healthy lung cells (i.e. the cells the immune system wants to protect).
The “underhanded” virus has many ways to “trick” the immune system …. (e.g. inverse interference etc.)
BTW – some scientists expect that in the past younger people were less severely affected as their immune system is less developed and so produced less levels of inflammation driving cytokines.
(But as Ptaah explains the newer strain of the COVID-19 virus is much more aggressive and may affect as well younger people very badly…)
Salome, Bill
Further Information about Interferons
If you log on the German Forum (as a Guest) – and then open the mails of the past 7 days ("Letzte 7 Tage") you will find in the top quarter of the displayed web page a post from "Moby" (Post 136/April 5, 2020) which lists many internet references re. “Interferon” |
Aristea
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 06-2019
| | Posted on Friday, April 10, 2020 - 09:59 am: |
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I am not sure I understand that Ptaah classifies the virus as a non-living entity. Surely, the fact that it is able to reproduce would class it as a living entity. It is not "in-organic", as inorganic structures are not able to reproduce. True that chemical interactions can change inorganic structures, but these chemical interactions will not replicate the original thing. Since the virus is able to replicate and make more copies of itself, this would classify it as an organic and hence living entity, presumably with the same organic capabilities as other organic beings. Can anyone clarify this for me?
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1274
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, April 10, 2020 - 10:42 am: |
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HI Aristea,
Yes, the viruses resemble organisms in that they possess genes, evolve by natural selection, and reproduce by creating multiple copies of themselves through self-assembly.
But they only come to life within a host cell:
Viruses are not made out of cells, they can't keep themselves in a stable state, they don't grow, and they can't generate their own energy.
And this is why they are non-living.
Salome, Bill |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1275
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, April 10, 2020 - 11:01 am: |
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Thank you, Michael. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1276
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, April 10, 2020 - 11:28 am: |
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"It's not the messenger that is important but rather the message.." - Very true, Matt.
As is Scott's "... we can only repeat over and over again the message until hopefully the truth will eventually find roots…"
As the Ps. tell us: It may take time, before Earth human beings are wiling to accept Billy's predictions. It may even take great suffering. But it will become obvious … that they could have prevented this great suffering had they listened to his advice earlier.
Salome, Bill |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2269
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, April 10, 2020 - 12:43 pm: |
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Scott just to give you an example of the rock stupidity that I was referring to, the colleague from my workplace who tested positive to the coronavirus came back to work.
Most of us were in WTF mode as soon as the word got around that he came back I mean if you saw our faces you'd known what I was talking about.
The department of health had given him the green light to come back to work.
He had done is 2 week mandatory self isolation and didn't show any critical symptoms.
All he had to do was answer some series of questions posed to him and tell the department that he was ok to work and that was that.
Can you believe it.
It wasn't enough that because our organisational activities fell under the category of 'essential services' to have not been shut down completely and that we had to come to work reluctantly but now added to this woe you now have an essentially an asymptomatic covid-19 positive work colleague who is still infectious coming to work and mingling with other people and spreading the virus around everywhere he goes and touches.
Our complaints fell on deaf ears.
I've told my colleagues about the real facts about the covid-19 as pre-emptively mentioned by the plejaren without me giving away the source which later was subsequently backed up by the news headlines days and weeks later of course, so whatever I say about this pandemic they listen with intent but of course its the higher ups that make all the critical decisions so we are powerless to do anything about it not to mention that nobody wants to lose their jobs especially in times like this.
I've told my supervisor I told you so that more infected people will come out of this organisation after this and if and when it happens you know the reason why to which he agreed but we left it at that.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2270
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| | Posted on Friday, April 10, 2020 - 01:15 pm: |
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Yeah I agree with you and Scott Bill.
It seizes to amaze how the smartest people (Billy and the plejaren) to ever walk the face of this planet in earth's history, who can run rings around the brightest and supposedly the smartest earthlings ever to have lived, could be so modest and so down to earth.
There is so much love and considerateness behind that to which we can all learn from especially for our supposed leaders, prime ministers, heads of state, presidents, chief ministers, religious leaders and so forth.
I am no expert in this field but the K22 inhibitor looks promising in the fight against COVID-19 as an antiviral compound.
More research is needed of course.
Matt lee |
Scott
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Post Number: 3068
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Friday, April 10, 2020 - 09:09 pm: |
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Matt,
That is very very risky being exposed to that potential contamination, considering how easily anyone can be infected...I know it is hard to escape exposure, but at some point you have to think of your own survival, but of course that is easier said than done, especially as you stated you are considered an essential/expendable service.... |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2271
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2020 - 03:11 am: |
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Well thanks for the concern Scott.
My case is no exception so you could fathom the disastrous consequences that ignorance and stupidity by the authorities as well as the general public alike brings to the table who in more ways than one are reliant on their expert opinions to navigate their way around this pandemic.
Can you imagine how many more cases of infection will result from such silly decisions which is waiting to be unleashed just in Australia alone now that the mandatory 2 week isolation period is just about over for the thousands of expats who were holed up in various hotels around the country who more than likely will usher in the next 2nd, 3rd and 4th wave of infection in this country.
Yet the authorities are too keen on trying to open up the economy by rashly relying on their flawed statistics and prematurely deciding that the peak curve is behind them when truly this is just the beginning of the pandemic is mindbogglingly irrational.
Judging by what the plejaren and Billy had stated in the recent contacts nothing good can come from the persistent illogicism of the thinking, reasoning, ignorance, shortsightedness and the arrogance of these false leaders especially Trump in America where his rose coloured statement that 'everything is fine' is not without dire consequences that will exact its tribute many times over and unless he himself personally contracts the coronavirus himself and directly feel for himself what it like he will continue to recklessly put so many of his citizens in harms way through his ill considered statements.
Its not surprising that as soon as the 2020 Tokyo olympics has been postponed the rate of cases of COVID 19 infections in Japan have skyrocketed to astronomical heights as we'd expected.
Such is the consequences of illogical and irrational decision by these false leaders.
The madness continues and with it the number of casualties.
Matt lee |
Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 176
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2020 - 03:17 am: |
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C735 certainly tell us much about viruses in particular. It would be great to be able to pass on this info to our virologists. I have tried,but have been given the "cold shoulder"! Of interest is "Only the vibration-related impulse-symptom is established in the entire organism, as is inevitably the case with any viral disease, but these impulse-symptoms remain, without causing any damage. However, this may mean that these impulses, when given the right opportunity, may, as a result of their gene variation mutation, favour other and new diseases and help them to actively break out." I came across a youtube video which gives a different perspective on how governments are dealing with the COVID-19: Perspectives on the Pandemic -Professor Knut Wittkowski. Worth viewing.Lockdowns (the 3rd week in New Zealand) are having a disasterous effect on the community and one wonders when people will reach the breaking point-violence is increasing,businesses are being destroyed,unemployment is rocketing upwards,many are becoming demoralised. Society is undergoing a rapid change, much of which may not be for the better. |
Cpl
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Post Number: 1226
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| | Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2020 - 05:03 am: |
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Aristea, Bruce Lipton's simple explanation of the virus might help understand what it is. Normally, life is animated. It takes in and gives out, usually breaths and edibles. A virus like Covid-19 doesn't have any of these qualities. It isn't really correct to say it reproduces itself. As Lipton puts it, a virus is like a USB drive or data storage device. They are completely inactive and only activate when connected to something that can allow its program to go into action. Just like a virus in a USB drive which only activates when connected to a computer. From the program, the virus can infect your computer and then jump to another computer, seemingly "replicating" itself, but it doesn't live. It's just a piece of a replicating program, given the right living environment. Similarly, Corona virus, and any other virus, is just like a piece of DNA or RNA program that is completely inactive and can only activate once it gets inside a living host. The host, or living cell, then allows the replicating program to go into action. The program, or virus alone, is completely inert.
Hope this helps.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1277
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2020 - 06:38 am: |
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Hi Matt,
I am so sorry to hear about your predicament.
I sincerely hope you were not infected...
It is very similar to having to send young children to school ("herd immunity!") after seeing them year after year infecting the elderly in the family with sicknesses imported from school (like flu, whooping cough).
I know your colleague cannot change what happened … but can he wear a face mask? - I mean they are not a 100% but they may keep some of his breath inside.
But please keep a safe distance!
Stay healthy!
Salome, Bill |
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