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Markv
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2020 - 07:39 pm: | 
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Michael, my understanding is that nuclear weapons have a shelf life, and that most (if not all) of those produced during the cold war are at the end of theirs.
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Hugo, while I tend to agree with your line of questioning, the primary question that arises for me is: Ultimately, what good does assigning blame do for us?
(Something else of note is the importance of "saving face" in Chinese culture.)
Anyways, it's clear that there is a new push for a (cold?) war with China, which will keep the war profiteers swimming in money.
It's also clear that bioweapons have secretly been in development, and that a slow-motion economic collapse (which will have global ramifications) is now underway.
- Addressing those issues seems more relevant/important than assigning blame for the virus release at this point imo.
As far as I can tell, one faction of elites currently wants war with Russia, and the other faction currently wants war China/Iran... But now I've gone off-topic  |
Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 250
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 08:58 am: |
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Dear MarkV
I know that you are aware of this but the two key factors here are Money and Future Acquisition by force or political moves!
All Stay safe in these times of peril.
bronzedesk
Mat
And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time.
~ T. S. Eliot
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2369
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 10:31 am: |
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Hugo your queries are valid and the act of questioning things is good as it act as a vehicle towards establishing facts of the truth, whatever that enquiry is.
The normal psychological process is to question that which do not have answers to in the hopes of arriving at the truth after much deliberations, assumptions, speculations, hypothesis, theories and ideas are entertained and logic is applied.
Billy and the Plejaren deal with multitude of topics they deem important enough to deal with hence as it stand most of the discussions that we've ever had on this forum revolved around the discussions that Billy had with the Plejaren.
Meaning that what they didn't discuss we in effect had absolutely no idea until they had brought it up and publically released it therefore since it was important enough for them to have publicly released it I gather then that its surely important enough for us to have a discussion about it.
Who in their right mind would've thought that Mao and a 'hateful American' was the precursor and the genesis of this terrible pandemic until Billy and the Plejaren spoke about it.
So facts are facts and your line of questioning is also important for the process of fact finding.
In the hopes of arriving at some semblance of truth to your question I was under the impression that Ptaah did say that CCP or Chinese government was guilty in so much as that they had covered it up when they had the chance to stop this pandemic from spreading.
As Mark put it to save face.
Who would've thought that saving face could be this deadly.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2370
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 11:24 am: |
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Just done some research on this individual by the name of Alexander Haig and I have come to some preliminary conclusion that this former 4 star general and secretary of state under Reagan is possibly the 'hateful American' that Billy and the Ptaah spoke about.
This guy is the only American diplomat, who've been at the epicenter of just about every scandal at the time and was involved in paving the way for Nixon to visit China to have died in 2010.
His psychological profile fits the bill in that he was a megalomaniacal and very ambitious guy
As a high rank military guy, out of all the aides and assistants who was involved in the pingpong diplomacy this bloke had the network and access in both side of the Atlantic to have pulled that kind of machination with Mao.
Seeing as he was deeply embroiled in the watergate scandal under Nixon at the time, his military mindset of that era where falseflag operation was virtually a normalized way of doing business, it would've provided the right context for him to devise such an heinous plan to take vengeance and retaliatory measure against Americans for getting in the way of his political ambitions.
His worst fears would've been that he could've gone down the tubes with Nixon which would've ended his career then and there.
He was instrumental in Nixon getting a presidential pardon from Ford and by default it was also a pardon on himself.
Although we need to consider the broader implications and ramifications of our words on a public forum such as this which is being seen by more people worldwide each year I need to qualify something by saying that although Billy and the Plejaren have strict non disclosure and binding secrecy clause where they can't name names, we participants don't have that restriction and are free to discuss whatever it is that is on our minds within 'reason' I have concluded that its better for us to disclose that which Billy cannot and to help the process along.
Truth is inconvenient especially in a world that tries to hide and run away from it but such incremental disclosure of truth is instrumental in paving the way for the next set of truths to find its place among the heads of those that tries to deny it.
The more we get to the bottom of the truth the more the bottom of the truth reveals itself and I think its a good thing.
Matt lee |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1167
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 12:14 pm: |
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Markv,
You are correct, your statement, “…my understanding is that nuclear weapons have a shelf life…”. This includes the rocket motors as well, a reaction engine which is a fuel and oxidizer that are burnt in a combustion chamber, the products of combustion expanding through a nozzle and producing thrust.
The aerospace company that I worked for acquired hundreds of the rocket motors from the U.S. and Russian governments for next to nothing as their shelf life was coming due. These were used to launch payloads into outer space science, research or as a target system for perfecting other advanced technologies. But enough on that topic. To further this topic, is should be presented on a different [pst heading.
As we now know, everything in the physical universe has a shelf life, so to say. Including COVID-19, we just need to figure out how to speed up the shelf life of this Corona Virus. The Plejaren and Billy have provided abundant information regarding COVID-19 and most everything associated with it. The public must be knowledge and intelligent enough to comprehend the recommendations.
Kenneth |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1413
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 01:25 pm: |
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Hi Hugo,
Ptaah (CR 728, page 2):
"Because what is hidden must remain hidden…If we were to reveal everything with regard to the actual connections, then this would be very serious and dangerous…and if everything now happens and certain people in the (country) try to claim that the rampantly spreading disease is of natural origin, then such attempts will come from persons who know about the matter, who know some or all of it, but who will as usually try to cover it up, as is usually the case…”
"...If the (country) leadership is reproached with senseless, malicious and slanderous reproaches and accusations regarding the rampantly spreading corona disease and is even accused of having had the rampantly spreading disease produced in the form of a biological weapon, then this corresponds to a malicious lie and slander….” (CR 739, page 13)
The virus did not originate from the often cited large Bio Lab in (city):
"... the virus was caused and spread elsewhere in (city) … [research work] was until recently carried out in a secret backyard laboratory from the mid 1970s …. The last 3 persons who were co-responsible for the rampantly spreading corona disease were also infected with the corona virus and died a few weeks ago … the laboratory experts who worked on the virus had no idea what it was actually intended for because the knowledge was lost when the last person carrying the secret died without having passed on the secret…” CR 739 (May 22, 2020), page 13)
The times of a prophet are never times of peace. And they are times of great opposites.
There is the "careful opening" *) of many unknown truths and good guidance (Billy / Ptaah).
And there is the daily spectacle of hate and fake news.
I think we should accept the greater knowledge of the Plejaren.
Salome, Bill
Semjase
CR 20:44. “We do not want to create a global truth organisation, or in a short time flood the terrestrial people with the
truth, because such an enterprise would not be useful for our cause. 45. Only small groups are useful when their
members are fully and totally truthful. 46. Through them the truth will slowly be spread and will encompass
humanity over generations and centuries….
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_020
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Norm
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Post Number: 218
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 06:22 pm: |
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Alexander Haig, Does not come off as betraying a Country that gave him a career and him rise to Regan's cabinet. |
Hugo
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Post Number: 906
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 07:30 pm: |
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Tat_tvam_asi and others,
Thanks for the information and opinions. I do appreciate and consider them.
I mistakenly thought the virus escaped from the Wuhan bio lab. So who was funding and in charge of that secret backyard bio laboratory where it escaped?
Part of me wanted to blame the CCP in some way because I was always aware of the prophecy about China killing 20 million people in India with a bio weapon. |
Patm
Member
Post Number: 811
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 11:08 pm: |
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From Christian:
"Speculations instead of real knowledge (which in this special case is obviously not available besides Billy and the Plejaren) is silly and a waste of time. There are more important factors people should direct their attention to.  "
-PatM |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2372
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 12:55 am: |
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Norm that's why in the spiritual teaching we are encourage to probe deeper and consider all details right down to the dot to arrive at the truth.
The element about thinking for yourself is that it takes effort and hard work, its something that the greater masses of people are just too lazy to do because they just can't be bothered especially about researching the facts before coming to their conclusions.
I see the consequences of this human flaw every day at work where false rumours and innuendos fly around everywhere where one dominant alpha male says something, it doesn't matter whether its a lie, people just believe him without question because his underlings can't be bothered fact checking and poor old victim whoever that may be becomes a target of people's rumour mongering and become butt of jokes.
Its imbecility and infantility at it worst where these children stuck in adult bodies engage in preschool antics of ganging up against another fellow colleague and engage in the most despicable back stabbing and two face shit talking behind their backs.
This is what follow the Alpha male syndrome does to people where these weaklings have relegated their social and human self responsibilities to think for themselves and to stand their ground on principle but rather they just 'believe' because if that perceived authority 'said so' then it must be true line of false reasoning dominates.
So you get this ubiquitous two faced backstabbing organisational, governmental, institutional and corporate culture that is entrenched throughout the world where to succeed and move up the ladder people become slimy, arse licking, two faced, duplicitous, backstabbing bats, rats, snakes, cockroaches, hyenas and vultures who act their way into everyday where colourful put ons and fake mask like behavioural patterns get repeated over and over again where hardly anything comes from the heart with genuineness anymore.
So these are one out of countless many negative symptoms of people not thinking for themselves and doing their due diligence to arrive at the truth and to respond accordingly.
For me at least since I have figured these personalities out right down to the dot as I think for myself I stand my ground on principle and defend my fellow colleagues in their absence even if barrage of caustic condescending intimidation tactics are thrown my way for not towing the party line so to speak I always still have the upper hand with the power of forced forcelessness and unbreakability although I sometimes pull the rubber band by tightening and loosening as the situation warrants so that I give them a little satisfaction so as not to be too inflexible with my moral high ground.
But thinking is good believing is bad.
Matt lee |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 3148
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 12:50 pm: |
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Arahat Athersata:
692: Tempests of peoples, illnesses and plagues, expropriations, catastrophes, and devaluations of money, etc. had to inevitably come upon the Earth Human beings because they are the teaching material of the school of life...... |
Norm
Member
Post Number: 219
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 11:47 am: |
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There's has been a some of news about Interferon Beta working against Coronavirus. I wonder how its related to Billy and Ptaah's Gamma Interferon.
Here's a link on youtube by Dr. John Campbell has a video called "Most Promising treatment so Far" |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 710
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 04:01 pm: |
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Great post PatM #811 and Scott #3148
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Ilovebilly
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Post Number: 635
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 05:18 pm: |
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Gday Norm
yes
yesterday and ABC radio it was talked about too
Salome
ilovebilly
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 1169
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 07:35 pm: |
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Patm,
Thank you for the post 811, could not agree with you more.
Scott,
Arahat Athersata:
Line 692 on page 170 is one of my favorites of many.
Sincerely
Kenneth |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 46
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 - 03:15 pm: |
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Norm: "There's has been a some of news about Interferon Beta working against Coronavirus. I wonder how its related to Billy and Ptaah's Gamma Interferon."
There are three types of interferons (IFN), alpha, beta and gamma. IFN-beta is produced from fibroblasts infected with virus. Whereas, IFN-gamma more closely resembles what the human immune system produces itself, and is similarly consumed by the Plejarens per this excerpt from Contact 238:
Billy:
The immune system produces anti-forces and antibodies, as I have already said, but what about the fact that these antibodies and anti-forces could actually also be produced artificially or semi-artificially by humans? If nature can already carry out chemical reactions and physical changes etc., then it is not only obvious to me, but it is a matter of course to me that man can do exactly the same, if he is so advanced in his knowledge and with his developments in apparatus, mechanics and computers that he has the possibilities to do so. Now for the main question: Are the Earth-human medical, chemical and computer sciences etc. already so far developed that they could develop or isolate such antibodies and anti-forces in order to produce special immune-strengthening drugs in prophylactic form or even drugs that could be used as acute treatment drugs? If so, what is the name of such a drug in an acute treatable or prophylactic form, and from which substances could such drugs be derived?
Ptaah:
363. You are thus addressing a topic on which we have been sending out instructive impulses to the world's leading scientists for some time, which is why I can also give you an official answer to this question.
364. Certainly, the possibility of producing such drugs of a prophylactic and treatable nature is given.
365. The name of such a medicine would first have to be invented by the manufacturers, whereas we simply call it SALUBRITASON, which in German means simply remedy.
366. The name is thus pronounced in such a way that the 'O' is emphasized in a drawn-out manner, as you have just heard from me.
Billy:
So SALUBRITASOON – pronounced with two 'Os' so to speak.
Ptaah:
367. That's right.
368. But keep listening:
369. The actual active ingredient for a drug, as you mentioned it, in both forms, i.e. for acute treatment and prophylactic application, is already known to medical scientists around the world as GAMMA-INTERFERON.
370. This substance GAMMA-INTERFERON must now only be isolated by the responsible specialists and separated from the corresponding products, which contain this high-quality defence substance against pathogens, in order to then process it into a corresponding medicine, which can be administered to humans.
371. The substance GAMMA-INTERFERON is a natural product of chemical transformation, e.g. when milk is converted to YOGURT or KEFIR.
372. So it is only necessary that the GAMMA-INTERFERON is removed from the mentioned products and converted into a drug.
373. Disease-prone people should take such a medication prophylactically daily in an appropriate amount, in addition to the necessary vitamins, trace elements and minerals, whereby special care should also be taken with vitamin C that a daily requirement of at least 900 milligrams is required per adult human unit if it has a reasonably balanced and health-promoting vitamin C requirement and wants to be healthy.
374. The 75-150 milligrams established in this respect by the earthly physicians unfortunately correspond to extremely erroneous assumptions, whereas your calculations are very realistic, if I compare your data made to me regarding the vitamin C as well as the other vitamins and trace elements and minerals, which you take and also recommend.
Billy:
So this GAMMA-INTERFERON is practically the same antidote or anti-substance against pathogens as it is produced by the human immune system itself?
Ptaah:
375. Sort of, yes.
Billy:
Then it also works in the same way as the natural products in terms of antibodies and defences of the human immune system?
Ptaah:
376. This is so.
377. The effect is even better if the drug is taken in larger controlled and appropriate amounts.
378. It is able to prevent almost any disease and to nip it in the bud, even cancer of any kind, because when taken and used in appropriate quantities, it is able to destroy even the most persistent viruses, not to mention less resistant pathogens.
Billy:
Then it is only to be hoped that the medical tinkerers and other clever people will soon find the way and the means to produce this remedy and make it available to mankind.
Ptaah:
379. This is also our wish, because this medicine alone could contain or prevent many and often painful evils on Earth.
Billy:
Should the consumption of yogurt or kefir be the only benefit?
Ptaah:
380. That is correct, but larger quantities must be enjoyed, daily.
381. An appropriately dosed medication would be more useful and less cumbersome.
Billy:
Do you also use such drugs?
Ptaah:
382. In extreme cases yes, but otherwise we don't take it as an actual medicine, but as a preventive, i.e. prophylactically as a daily food supplement.
Translation by: Joseph Darmanin, Christian Frehner, Dyson Devine, Vivienne Legg, Benjamin Stevens, Lawrence Driscoll
Original German found here: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_238
Regards
Bob |
Norm
Member
Post Number: 221
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 - 07:05 pm: |
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Phi_spiral, Thanks. I'm aware of CR 238. If I'm correct I did heard Interferon Beta was made with yeast. |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 47
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 - 09:44 pm: |
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I am posting a clarification/update to a previous post of mine in the COVID-19 thread where I made a statement that the Plejarens had not found a cure for the common cold. I believe the source of that information may originally have come from Semjase in an earlier contact with Billy. Here are two excerpts which bring clarification to the matter.
The first is from Contact 238, which continues from my previous post #46 above, regarding GAMMA-INTERFERON:
Ptaah:
380. That is correct, but larger quantities must be enjoyed, daily.
381. An appropriately dosed medication would be more useful and less cumbersome.
Billy:
Do you also use such drugs?
Ptaah:
382. In extreme cases yes, but otherwise we don't take it as an actual medicine, but as a preventive, i.e. prophylactically as a daily food supplement.
383. Our coordination of the anti-substance is dosed and adjusted to the individual person in such a way that no more diseases appear.
384. The only evil to which we have not yet been able to come to terms with is the common cold, which we only succumb to when we are on Earth.
Billy:
I already heard that once from Semjase. In her opinion there is not much you can do about it!
Ptaah:
385. My daughter was wrong about this, but this is understandable if you know that she does not yet have a complete medical education.
386. But we who deal with medicine know that this is not the case.
387. So we have also found out that even the common cold, which we only succumb to on Earth, can also be combated prophylactically and actively.
388. As we have found out, humans need an increased supply of zinc and vitamin C and an increased intake of the substance salubritason (*gamma-interferon).
389. In this respect, we are now in the process of clarifying the exact need for us, according to which we will then also be immune to the earthly cold, which should be the case in about two months.
390. However, our knowledge in this regard should also be useful to the human being of Earth, if he is also able to protect himself from the cold, if he supplies himself with larger quantities of the substances mentioned.
Original German can be found at:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_238
And now this excerpt from Aus den Tiefen des Weltenraums:
"Depending on the reason for human life, these flagella can be controlled and contained, as is the case with the Pleiaren, who have mastered practically all diseases and epidemics and only suffer from extremely mild things that are purely physical are conditional, such as Headaches or visual problems etc., which are firmly under control and no longer pose any problems."
Je nach Vernunft der menschlichen Lebensformen lassen sich diese Geisseln also kontrollieren und eindämmen, wie dies eben bei den Plejadiern/Plejaren der Fall ist, die praktisch allen Krankheiten und Seuchen Herr geworden sind und nur noch unter äusserst gelinden Dingen leiden, die rein physisch bedingt sind, wie z.B. Kopfschmerzen oder Sehschwierigkeiten usw., die jedoch fest im Griff sind und keinerlei Probleme mehr darstellen.
"However, health problems can occur on foreign planets if there are diseases etc. against which their bodies are not immune or your immune system does not develop any antibodies etc., which e.g. was still the case for several years when the Pleiadians / Plejaren could be infected with a cold; however, a problem that has since been solved."
Gesundheitliche Schwierigkeiten aber können auf ihnen fremden Planeten auftreten, wenn dort Krankheiten usw. gegeben sind, gegen welche ihre Körper nicht gefeit sind resp. ihr Immunsystem keine Abwehrstoffe usw. entwickelt, was z.B. noch für mehrere Jahre der Fall war, als die Plejadier/Plejaren vom Schnupfen befallen werden konnten; ein Problem jedoch, das inzwischen auch gelöst wurde.
The translation is mine and may contain errors.
Regards
Bob |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2373
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 - 11:23 pm: |
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Bob have you or any other members ever come across from the CR about exactly what type of yogurt and approximately how much of it needs to be consumed daily for it to be effective for earth human beings?
Matt lee |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 48
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2020 - 05:38 pm: |
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Matt, I haven't seen any more information in that regard in the CR, myself. If the Plejaren have additional data - now would be a good time to share it.
However, I found one study in Japan that showed yogurt fermented with the bacteria strain: Lactobacillus delbrueckii ssp. bulgaricus OLL1073R-1 produced a greater amount of GAMMA INTERFERON than other yogurts fermented with other types. And if you do an internet search, you will see other studies done that focus on that particular strain: Lactobacillus delbrueckii ssp. bulgaricus OLL1073R-1. In the charts below, the top graph, A), compares the values for GAMMA INTERFERON.
Regards
Bob |
Norm
Member
Post Number: 222
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2020 - 05:51 pm: |
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Matt, I eat grass fed Maple Hill Kefir & Yogurt. |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2374
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 30, 2020 - 12:40 am: |
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Thank's for that Bob it's really a good piece of information there.
I don't know to what extent safe level of consumption is in regards to eating yogurt fermented with Lactobacillus delbrueckii ssp. bulgaricus OLL1073R-1 is but I might have to conclude that the more the better as in one tub a day of organic natural yogurt.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2375
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 30, 2020 - 12:42 am: |
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How do you feel Norm pre and post consumption of that product?
How long has it been since you last had the flu?
Do you feel any noticeable difference?
Matt lee |
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