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    Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1547 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hello Hush, Welcome to the Forum and thank you for your insights re. Pi. To begin with, what motivated me to write this post was not the question whether "Pi = 4 : b (where b= square root of Phi)" is (as many on the net claim) "proven" or "not proven"*) - it was your “simply stated, Harry Lear is not part of earth’s scientific community” (that Billy refers to) ... You are right to hint that today’s scientists only discuss new scientific concepts if their author[s] have academic credentials, are “peer reviewed” and “admitted” to accredited scientific journals. This, however, is in stark contrast with Billy’s view of knowledge creation. Many of his CRs express that the majority of our world’s academia is much too proud and biased. Yes, they may gladly take/use Billy’s freely provided Contact Report information for their research but they would never mention Billy/Ptaah as its source. And it is not just the scientist’s run for fame and fortune. But the fact that they may, wittingly or unwittingly, do research on what ultimately destroys our planet, i.e. knowing the correct value of Pi could be used to harvest immense power sources... which could be misused to develop WMD. This is, IMO, why Ptaah would not confirm Guido’s calculations. **). Because, clearly what has to happen first, is, to have a much more united, peaceful world and a world academia with a very different mind-set. One that does not care about “monetary rewards”, “titles”, “journals” and “scientific language” but is educated, and takes care, to explain, like Quetzal, scientific matters in a way that everyone can easily understand. You may be right that this time has not yet “arrived ”. But neither this, nor the fact that neither Ptaah, Billy, Guido and Harry are part of our planet's "scientific establishment" do make their thoughts and calculations wrong. Indeed, after re-reading Christian Frehner’s 2017 article ***) one may come to the conclusion that the true value of Pi has been found, but has, so far, been suppressed/rejected by the authoritative “scientific establishment” which is unwilling to adopt new cognition from people that “search and think”, irrespective of academic credentials. Furthermore - The "amazing, highly developed technology" that has the capability to "make unimaginable energies accessible to the people of Earth.".. may not be the calculation of Pi itself but the construct that directs the energies at the center of our galaxy (dark matter / gamma rays??) onto our planet... Bill *) Because, like Hugo, I am somewhat surprised that in our time of super computers, finding the true value of Pi is such a difficulty: 1 Could we not use differential calculations (no of Archimedes'polygons going tow. an indefinite number) to find the circumference? 2 Should there not be a possibility to computer-draw a very large exact circle (e.g. radius 1 km and measure its circumference (by adding the diameters of tiny dots which act) like putting up a vertical tape measure on its perimeter? 3 If necessary - laser print the arc segments and assemble them on a completely even surface: I mean if we can build > 26 km long colliders (CERN) we should be able to construct a perfect 1 km circle. 4 Alternatively we could use Pi (old and new) in a formula whose variables or results we know or can measure. E.g. if we had an independent method to calculate the speed of our planet couldn't we use Kepler’s 3rd Law of Planetary Motion (which contains the value of 4 Pi^2 as a denominator) and then calculate earth’s orbit - one time with Pi = 3.141 and another time with Pi = 3.144 Should this not tell us which one is closer to the 365.256 days ? **) The immense power (and danger of misuse) that this knowledge implies may be inferred from this passage in CR 251: "By eliminating the error in Pi, and correcting future computations based on Pi, scientists and their amazing, highly developed technology will have the capability to make unimaginable energies accessible to the people of Earth. This will be accomplished through the terrestrials' diversion and utilization of energies from Black Holes from within the Milky Way system. ***) Important Information about the Circular Ratio PI (creationaltruth.org) (To access the hyperlink: highlight, left-click, Search the web for "Important Information about the Circular Ratio PI") | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1548 Registered: 04-2011 |
PS My writing should as well mention that it is good you brought this topic to our attention: And yes, you are, of course, right, that promoting a wrong value as right would be wrong. On the other hand, Guido was well-respected by both, Billy and Ptaah, and, despite using calculation methods/variables, his and Harry's Pi value match. Furthermore, if we accept that Billy knows the true Pi value then his mentioning that the current value (3.14159) is wrong would indicate that there is something missing or wrongly calculated at present. But to be unbiased open-minded and fair to everyone: Could you, perhaps, write down the calculus - starting with the initial part of Harry's calculations (to which you agree) and highlight where and why - IYO - the mistake occurred. Thank you. | ||
Stefan_z2 Member Post Number: 172 Registered: 12-2014 |
Hello Hush, It seems that we have at least one thing in common. Me too ended up with the conclusion that Harry Lear does a great job with his physical proof, but all the mathematical ones use some circular logic, unfortunately. Have you studied the work of Panagiotis Stefanides? His time of discovery fits in the range that had been predicted in one of the contact reports. It took me a while to figure out some details, but after getting a hint from him, that worked out. Please give a look at his original or my somewhat expanded step by step documentation. Am very interested in your feedback: https://lnkd.in/g7rfbcE There is only one, albeit big issue, still to explain. And until that has been done, I am afraid nobody in the math community will pay attention. One needs to crack the nut of why the commonly used Monte Carlo simulation delivers the old, presumably wrong, value. Salome, Stefan | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2508 Registered: 07-2005 |
Well said Bill Those who have thoroughly dealt with the Meier contact case and his redelivered information in its breathtaking scope and depth have come to a point and realisation where it is even a spiritual act to take Billy and the plejaren's words as truth in good faith. This act is not based on blind faith but one of deep trust, reverence, respect, veneration and truth. To get this point one had to endure a lot of psychological, mental, psychical, physical, social, intellectual and inner hardship as one has dealt with the multitude of inner forces resulting from dealing with the information and to put the effort in to applying the spiritual principles one has self obligingly conformed with out of self duty. In the process one had to take the good with the bad in all it guises and the consequences of making the effort to walk one's talk as best that one could given all the restrictions and the limitations that society imposed. So out of everything that one has learnt, insight gained, understanding attained, cognition achieved, recognition established, knowledge obtained, the truth perceived, the wisdom internalised, thoughts thought about, ideas entertained, feelings felt, actions acted upon and enlightenment got one inevitably comes to the realisation that 'why doubt in the name of needing to think for oneself and to come to one's own conclusions when you know that whatever Billy and the plejaren says is the truth because you have already put in the effort to think for yourself to come to such a conclusion in the first place despite the odds staked against you coming to such a conclusion. So we come to the inevitable problem, do people really understand what it means when Billy suggests that each individual needs to learn to think for oneself and to come to one's own conclusion or do people just give lip service to it because it sounds good. Time and time again the requirement for people to think wholistically cannot be stressed enough as a component of thinking for oneself. This means that one has to hold so many ideas and principles in one's mind at the same time as a computer would in its RAM memory when executing a program even when one is dealing with a small fraction of the information such as the principle of thinking for oneself and coming to your own conclusions because added to this one must also factor in the fact that one must think for oneself based on the facts of truth, evidence and proof and to not judge falsely rather than thinking for oneself for the sake of thinking for oneself. I know for a fact that the Apophis asteroid will hit earth if we leave the judgement up to our primitive scientists (in all their guises and fields) calculations based on Pi 3.14159 because they have stated that this asteroid won't hit earth come 2029 and 2036. You know just from this that they have got the Pi calculation wrong. If on the otherhand our scientists used Guido and Harry's Pi 3.144 then its inevitable that they will calculate the proper trajectory of Apophis as a global emergency red alert deep impact event come 2036 and jump up and down in panic. Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2509 Registered: 07-2005 |
As I see it it's pointless to try and convince the scientific community of the correct calculation for Pi. I think its best if the correct Pi, just as with the Meier case, is floated out there all over the internet in the hopes of it serrendipitously attracting the attention of the right people through associations, network, relations, chance, and individual circumstances and not so much directly. Not all but the majority of them in the scientific establishment as with many others have brought themselves under disrepute with their profit greed, fame and celebrity seeking, ego driven self aggrandizement, disrespect for the true principles of their field which is to seek the genuine truth, funding addiction, tendencies to steal other people's ideas, politicking, being tunnel vision like one dimensionalism, title and prestige seeking, adversion for the real genuine truth, their habitual tendencies for tribalism, their belief and ego driven zealotry of institutional bias, discrimination and elitism, rampant tendencies for plejarism, their boys club mentality, cowardism, irresponsibility, follow the alpha male syndrome, religious bia, superiority complex, stuck mindedness, crass egoism, selfishness, self regarding egocentrism and irresponsible disregard for the truth that doesn't conform with their own ideas. Not all but the human nature as it is right now is the very plague worse even than the coronavirus to which a lot of people are afflicted with that limits, stifles, witholds, restricts and ties down consciousness related progress necessary to solve our existential problems in all its forms because it is the very thing that is creating all the manmade problems in the first place that cannot be reeled in at the moment. Through that faulty under developed and primitive human nature their foresight is severely limited to the point where they must see and directly experience the consequences of their shortsighted decisions and ego driven actions before they realise their mistakes when they are directly confronted with the disaster of their own making. Basically human beings are prone to learning the hard way therefore its when Apophis nearly strikes earth at the 11th hour will they search frantically for the errors of the calculation and how in the heck they got it so wrong in the first place. Even if they found out through their own calculation that their pi number was wrong and the right one is 3.144 it'll take a very long time before it is widely adopted, accepted and implemented for surely how many lost faces would this generate and how typical would the response be from the scientific community as in cowardly sweeping it under the carpet through their childish and silly game of evasion, diversion, distractions, decoys and trashings. Unfortunately the most effective way is to let them figure it out for themselves for surely if they were donkey stubborn stupid enough to reject sound life saving advice then what this means is that they want to seal their fate as it is even if for the worse. Obviously the major problem is that its fine if they confine their stupidity to themselves and just their lives alone but when the merit of their position and title puts other people's fate at risk from the decisions that these so called experts, leaders, authorities, responsible ones make then the problem is compounded in more complex fashion. I don't have the means or the know how to do it right now but only in a supportive role but it would be fantastic if we could come up with a 'cause and effect chain' series in animation form over youtube. For example creating short youtube/bitchute/Tiktoc/Snapchat/Baidu/Wechat/Twitter/Facebook animation videos of the cause and effect relations of all the problematic human actions in the contact reports Billy and the plejaren had addressed and the inevitable outcome of those. You could have an animation of Apophis To be continued | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2510 Registered: 07-2005 |
Continued from 2509 headed for earth with 3.14159 hanging over a trajectory for year 2029 missing earth by millions of kilometers as NASA calculated it. Then next to that you could have a 3.144 hanging over a trajectory for 2029 flyby through a keyhole which ends up between the north and the black sea in 2036. You could also do it for:- Overpopulation of 9,500,000,000 cannibalizing the planet as opposed to 512,000,000 people. Fukushima nuclear reactor and the effect of its still leaking radiation as opposed to 10 others around the world and then 20 and then 30. Chemicals in the air from all the pollutants and emissions impregnating everything and everyone based on UN data on worldwide emission per head of current population in contrast to 512,000,000 people's emission rate and its effects. Coronavirus pandemic and disregard for lockdown and self isolation rules and use of masks as opposed to everyone doing the right thing with graphs projecting the possibly end date for the pandemic or the continuation of it if rules aren't followed. CIA/banking/corporate/political/dark order and order of darkness mind control program and its effects through electromagnetic/radio wave/visual/auditory/sensory/chemical/technological home appliances such as smart HD OLED TVs, computer monitors and smartphones through EM pulses and waves regulating brainwave patterns and dumbing down of people as opposed to the effect of people turning their TV off and sparsely using their smartphones. The increasing frequency of natural disasters per year and all the retroactive data since right back to when records were kept synchronized with the increasing population each year through visual topographical map. Nuclear tests and the rising rate of natural disasters. Religion and the rate of increase in the number of believers dating back to couple of thousand years and the numbers of incidents of human massacre and relgio-cleansing. New-age-nonsense-fake-news makers including the increase of the number of participants in the field of ufology and the correlation in the increasing rate of conspiracy theory believing, cool aid drinking, flat earthing, reptilian raped, anal probed abductee, Ashtar channeling, pleiades connected, Area fiftyoneified, zeti reticulanised, Bob Lazarenified, Billy Meier silenced and the truth denying/ignoring proportion of people. The speed and the rate of decline of the US empire in proportion to their renditions, false flags, assassinations of legitimately elected leaders of foreign countries, numbers of conflicts and wars that they've created, the rate of resources that the US stolen, the numbers of incidents of domestic manchurian candidate's terroristic acts that succeeded and the rate of financial fraud and mismanagement coupled with political corruption. And many many more to choose from from the contact reports. Matt lee Hi Matt, could you make an effort to combine posts instead of posting and reposting in the same category. Also, please try and stick to the topic, this particular post contains 10 separate topics/ideas not related (imo) to this topic. Thanks for your help -Scott Moderator (Message edited by scott on January 01, 2021) | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2511 Registered: 07-2005 |
The only way that I see our so called experts accepting the proper Pi number 3.144 is if they first accept Billy Meier contact case as being genuine and just like us student of the spiritual teaching, study the material and exhaustively investigate it. The biggest obstacle for this to happen once again is the current primitive , backward, under developed, narrow, egocentric consciousness of the greater part of our so called scientists and experts. I don't think you can have one without the other. It is a requirement and a fundamental prerequisite to firstly know and accept the Billy Meier case as being genuine and to study the broad spectrum of the information proffered before realisation will dawn on them that the Pi number 3.14159 is incorrect and that 3.144 is the correct one. It is also possible that if they somehow manage to crack the Pyramid code then they could possibly obtain the proper Pi number of 3.144 instead of doing it through the Billy Meier channel. So many natural and manmade disasters must happen and come to pass to corroborate all the information given by Billy and the Plejaren in order for our so called experts to finally crack that glass ceiling and one by one bravely declare without fear and anxiety that what Billy has stated is the truth and that it requires serious study and consideration by everyone. The herd mentality and peer pressure will finally be overcome when one by one more experts give credence and support for the Billy Meier contact case and just like the me too movement it'll gain traction and momentum which will then make it more easier for the rest of the herd to follow creating an avalanche. I see a day in the intermediate future where it'll require 7 moderators to moderate this forum just to keep up with high numbers of participants posting on this FIGU forum where everything will start to accelerate faster, quicker and speedier. It'll be the same for the Theyflyblog which is also just as integral part of this mainstreaming-of-the-truth efforts where more contributors to the upkeep of the site will emerge to help out Melissa as a group effort and where due to old age Michael may not be able to be as prolific in his contributions therefore may have to play an advisory role to his successors. But getting back to the pi issue sadly it'll come down to manmade and natural disasters which will act as the backbone to the saying 'progress is made in graves'. Matt lee | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 754 Registered: 02-2010 |
Matt Lee, I agree with you. We will not discovered the truth regarding the error(s)until we experience either the SF quake, NW tsunami, etc. Sadly, before long, it'll be 2029 MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all) | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1250 Registered: 04-2013 |
Greetings Hush and welcome to the FIGU forum. Your atypical point of view for the correct Pi calculation concerning 99942 Apophis is much appreciated, this kind of assessment and thinking is critical to understanding the correct value of Pi. You stated that, “Many, unfortunately within this community, have embraced Harry Lear’s proposed correction to Pi=3.144 theory. Would like to acknowledge Harry Lear’s valiant effort, perhaps even give him the benefit of the doubt, however as an engineer, I do have a fundamental understanding of calculus, differential equations, integrals, and such, and upon review of Harry Lear’s math proof find the logic fails.” First, for those that may not know, calculus is the study of differentiation and integration where trigonometry is the study of triangles. Calculus studies the rates of change through heuristics and area of the curve where trigonometry studies the angles of change or where the curve transpires. Consequently, it is my understanding that trigonometry equations are non-linear and, not suitable for obtaining Pi = 4 / sqrt (Phi) = 3.144... . As I am sure that you know that calculus is one additional step beyond algebra and trig. Calculus is algebra and trigonometry with limits. There is often only one step in the problem that involves calculus, the rest is simplifying using algebra and trigonometry. Pre-calculus is designed to offer more practice in algebra and trigonometry. That being said, according to Harry Lear, "…trigonometric series-limit equations are non-linear functions and, thus, not useful for obtaining Pi = 4 / sqrt (Phi) = 3.144... . For example, Sine (30) does not equal 2 times Sine (15). Trig functions are non-linear. Non-linear means that, for example, the increments on a tape measure would not all be equal; thus, one cannot add up multiple measurements using this type of tape measure. 4 inches plus 16 inches on this type of tape measure would not mean anything, especially 4 + 16 = 20 inches. This is the error that a majority of the current mathematicians are making today. They obtain Pi = 3.141... by using trig (and other) non-linear series-limit equations and while their resulting value does equal 3.141..., this has nothing to do with Pi, which is defined as the ratio between the circumference of a circle divided by its diameter. That's why the best mathematical method is to geometrically show this ratio for Pi as a geometrical math proof, not a series limit equation (which is simply an approximation by those who are infatuated with using the Calculus). And this is also why the best method to start out with is a direct physical measurement of both circumference and diameter (preferably with diameter = 1.000 so the circumference will directly read on the measurement device as Pi = 3.1446... , which is true." Harry personally informed me and the Apophis Team that he received conformation from Billy through CF that his Pi calculations are correct. In my opinion, the true value of Pi has been found, but has been spurned by the authoritative “scientific establishment” from folks that investigate and think for themselves that are not part of the academic circles. It is also my opinion that eliminating the error in Pi, too soon will enable Earth scientists to developed technology that will have the capability to make unimaginable energies and weapons accessible to technologists before they are responsible enough to truly understand Cause and Effect. If possible that you can compare Harry's calculations to yours and emphasize the variance? Kind regards Kenneth | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1549 Registered: 04-2011 |
I totally agree with you, Matt. The greatest injustice of our time is the fact that the one man of great truth and knowledge that is not out to become famous and/or rich, but provides his knowledge, free, in the spirit of the greatest human compassion, is continually vilified by those that greedily grab his findings and promote it as their own "discoveries / accomplishments". We know from Ptaah that there are many scientists and politicians who know of Billy’s findings, know of his many predictions – which seemed so odd when they were first published/given **) - were later proven true! Like Michelle, I completely agree with your conclusion that “ … So many natural and man-made disasters must happen and come to pass to corroborate all the information given by Billy and the Plejaren in order for our so called experts to finally crack that glass ceiling and one by one bravely declare without fear and anxiety that what Billy has stated is the truth and that it requires serious study and consideration by everyone.” That will be the day. Bill *) If we take e.g. astronomy: - Large 9th planet, invisible (trajectory behind the sun), caught by an outer arm of a small intergalactic black hole, speeding out of our solar system - Our sun dying, losing strength - its many internal changes that create massive changes in the climate and gravitation of all celestial bodies in our solar system - Our earth orbit becoming irregular (due to the many nuclear tests conducted) making these climate changes even more severe, - Our solar system’s twin (dark) sun creating a "stir" (stirring up asteroids) in the Kuiper Belt Etc. etc. Any of that, it would be headline news – were it not for the “greats” in religion and politics who hate the truth that Billy published about them and who incite their many deluded followers to publicly shame Billy on websites like Wikipedia. When fake news rule, those that promote the truth (e.g. the need to discuss overpopulation) are ridiculed. That is why scientists, even if they take Billy's info seriously, using it as the basis of their research, are 'hushed', i.e. they would never dare to mention Billy’s CRs or books as their source. **) E.g. https://theyflyblog.com/2020/07/how-did-he-know-the-answers-before-the-questions-were-asked/ | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1550 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you, Stefan. The 16-page PP demonstration by P. Stefanides is very well done. If it aligns with Harry’s - Hush could point out the slide and formula that he IHO needs to be corrected. Many thanks as well to you, Kenneth, for clarifying the limits / attributes of calculation methods which may indicate why the value of Pi calculation leads to different results. It is good to know that Billy confirmed the veracity of Harry’s method. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2512 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Msmichelle all the best in the new year and stay safe. It would help those confused lot out there if for a brief moment of their day that they just sit down and turn off all the distractions, worries, problems, annoyances, anxieties and so on running through their heads and to empty their minds of distractive automatic thoughts through a bit of self control by seeking a bit of solitude in a quite environment. When they have achieved some semblance of stillness and total silence by shutting off the leaking tap in their minds they could at least get into a state of pure observing where they can start to see thing as they really are unclouded and uncluttered by any of the niggling negative feelings and emotions taking place beneath their conscious minds. Like a person up in an observation deck high above the city in the centrepoint tower for example taking in the broad expanse of the vista, they could basically take in so much more information in the stillness of the pure observing state of mind uncluttered by all the distractive forces generated from within and from without. The truth of things enters the mind/consciousness without the me/myself/I getting in the way of the process of pure observing and at the same time is able to observe oneself and its inner dimension as it really is in its raw state. When this pure observing state of consciousness is achieved by being still and open, answers just come to you naturally as the inner voice, images, impulses, inspiration and ideas just pop up out of the blue where through clarity and a clear head you can tune in to it much better thereby deriving answers to a problem or issue that you may have had or even unresolved question that was lingering inside. The above relates to the plejaren asteroid warning in that our so called experts are so gripped, arrested and basically hijacked by the forces of their learned education and rigid academic ideas and ideals. Their egos are so enmeshed into a system of academic attitude and the unwritten social norms of that culture and environment that has overtime built up their superficial personality to suit such an environment that the person mistakes that personality for his own true identity and by it creating much vested and self regarding interests along the lines of protecting at all cost that identity even to their own detriment. The truth always loses out in the process because it becomes irrelevant and subservient to the self preservation of those identities. So long story short these people lack the self awareness and they cannot separate the ideas that they hold about themselves against what they really are as a human being which is why they hate it when they are told what to do especially by someone who they deem lower than themselves; when someone tells them that they are wrong; when people criticize their actions and character; when they have to say hello first; when they have to apologise and especially when they have to admit to their mistakes. So it would help if they can learn to do the above exercise mentioned above by setting aside their ego so that with a clear head they can at least let the correct Pi number 3.144 to enter their heads and to take the Apophis asteroid information very seriously. Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2513 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Matt, could you make an effort to combine posts instead of posting and reposting in the same category. Also, please try and stick to the topic, this particular post contains 10 separate topics/ideas not related (imo) to this topic. Thanks for your help -Scott Moderator Ok thanks for the reminder Scott. Matt lee | ||
Hush New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2020 |
Hello Stefan_z2, Really appreciate reading your response. There are so many great methods that demonstrate quite effectively Pi=3.14159 including, as you pointed out, Monte Carlo. My favorite is to inscribe and circumscribe polygons of increasing number of sides using simple high school trigonometry. Thanks for sharing the link to Panagiotis Stefanides work which I had not heard of. Very interesting presentation. Went through it briefly and find the proof well documented and presented. Will review as time permits and respond accordingly. Appreciate everyone's thoughts on my original post, thank you. Also appreciate the moderator permitting this skeptical perspective. Would seem 'unofficially' Pi=3.144 has been endorsed via word-of-mouth, however is it not the information in the Contact Reports and official documentation that we rely upon? The information in Contact Report 251, clearly states when our scientists begin frantically studying our dying sun, who at time perform brilliantly, will then (not now) rectify the error in Pi. So we have 'official' documentation telling us when the error in Pi will be solved and don't see any scientists currently rushing to solve the mysteries of our dying sun anytime soon; in fact wouldn't surprise me if the error in Pi isn't 'officially' resolved for another hundred or so years. From my research, the current value of Pi=3.14159 is very accurate, as proven using many different methods all of which have stood the test of time for thousands of years. Would love to engage in a discussion with anyone who has worked out and calculated Pi for themselves, someone who may then appreciate my perspective and also better understand why the scientific community continue to ignore the proposed Pi=3.144. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1553 Registered: 04-2011 |
"The New Value of Pi" Hi Hush, Thank you for your reply. Apart from extending your Pi research 1 How do you evaluate the insights in Kenneth's post? “Non-linear means that, for example, the increments on a tape measure would not all be equal; thus, one cannot add up multiple measurements using this type of tape measure. 4 inches plus 16 inches on this type of tape measure would not mean anything, especially 4 + 16 = 20 inches… That's why the best mathematical method is to geometrically show this ratio for Pi as a geometrical math proof, not a series limit equation (which is simply an approximation by those who are infatuated with using the Calculus). “ “Harry personally informed me (Kenneth) and the Apophis Team that he received confirmation from Billy through CF that his Pi calculations are correct.” 2 Human findings are not eternal truths. And not everything that has been called a truth for thousands of years is a valid truth. Take e.g. Aristotle. Some of his teachings expressed a belief in God. Because of this, many of his books survived the rage of / burning by religious fanatics*) providing humanity with many valuable truths (e.g. scientific method) for more than two thousand of years. But some of his scientific insights (e.g. heavier objects fall faster than lighter ones) were wrong and corrected during the time of reformation by Galileo Galilei **). So clearly each human found truth has a certain life span. It emerges to serve a certain purpose (e.g. safe-keeping the "other" teachings of Aristotle for posterity) and is corrected when the time is ripe (reformation - time of rel. rethinking) for a new truth to emerge. 3 There is a reason why Ptaah was and is not allowed to confirm certain truths (e.g. Guido's findings re. the Pi value). But it would be wrong to wait for this confirmation or the dilemma of our dying sun becoming a public issue before taking a more serious look at Pi: There is a desperate need because there is grave danger of Apophis in 2029 and 2036. 4 There is as well a need to redefine scientific knowledge. That is to say, a true scientist, when he learns of or finds a new truth, it should obligate him to explore it - not for fame or fortune - but for the common good. Because the mindset with which knowledge is received and used in our time does not support universal evolution and is not conducive to create peace in our world: Ptaah: 81. … Earth humans, so I am afraid to say, are pathologically autocratic and incorrigible, which is why they must first suffer enormous damage, before they see reason and open up their ears and senses to warnings. 82. And if they do not do this, then destruction will one day be their fate. ***) Bill *) He is thought to have written 1000 books http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/14199.html#POST76862 **) G.G. was of the same spirit form that enlivened Aristotle three incarnations earlier. (It may be no accident that his face looks somewhat similar to Billy's...) ***) Ptaah telling Billy that Earth may be on its way to an oxygen-collapse similar to Akart: www.futureofmankind.info/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_476 "Mostly it is loss which teaches us the worth of things." / A. Schopenhauer | ||
Hush New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2020 |
@Tat_tvam_asi Respect you accept word-of-mouth confirmation Pi=3.144, however, myself, prefer to work things out and make sure it makes sense before forming an opinion or, if still uncertain, ask more questions and do more research until understood. If I may suggest official FIGU documentation is most credible and leads to shared constructive insights whereas word-of-mouth, or when such rumors slip-out, may open the door to unnecessary debate because some may have heard what was purportedly said from someone else while others may not have, as nothing is official or concrete, and technically hearsay and ill advised to rely on. Not saying the rumor isn't credible, however from my perspective, prefer to focus on the information provided in official FIGU documentation, which has proven consistently reliable, that and good old fashion research when more investigation is warranted. @Stefan_z2 Looked further into Panagiotis Stefanides proposed proof Pi=3.144 and suspect an error with the assumption DV=HG (in reference to the drawings). Using ratios for inscribed similar right-triangles it works out that: DV=Pi^2/16 HG=root(1-pi^2/16) The calculation results are as follows: DV=0.61685028 HG=0.61899089 The two numbers are close but not equal in which case the proof falls apart. The difference is only 0.00214. Might have missed something though and would appreciate when you had time if you could verify these findings. If anyone is interested in trying to understand why the scientific community refuse to consider Pi=3.144 it would really help to learn and understand how the current Pi=3.14159 is calculated. Dave Didur wrote an excellent article explaining how traditional Pi=3.14159 is calculated. Working through this will provide insight into why it will be very hard for anyone to prove the current method to derive Pi=3.14159 is inaccurate. http://www.safekid.org/images/emag/issue30/Calculating-the-Value-of-Pi.pdf Understand I'm not denying an error in Pi but am suggesting mankind is not smart enough to figure it out just yet. When one understands how current Pi=3.14159 is derived (that is doing the calculations), there is an appreciation for its precision and accuracy, and that the error in Pi must truly be very complex because it really is quite accurate right now, as supported by credible mathematicians and scientists around the world. But what's beautiful is that Contact Report #251 actually reaffirms the error in Pi must be incredibly complex, because it states only when earth's scientific community work brilliantly together to solve the problem with our dying sun will they finally rectify the error in Pi. If it takes a bunch of scientists working brilliantly together to finally solve the error in Pi, doesn't that really suggests the problem, the error in Pi, is extremely complex. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1554 Registered: 04-2011 |
Ah - Hm... (Respect you replying) May I, again, ask for your response to Kenneth's “Non-linear means that, for example, the increments on a tape measure would not all be equal; thus, one cannot add up multiple measurements using this type of tape measure. 4 inches plus 16 inches on this type of tape measure would not mean anything, especially 4 + 16 = 20 inches… That's why the best mathematical method is to geometrically show this ratio for Pi as a geometrical math proof, not a series limit equation (which is simply an approximation by those who are infatuated with using the Calculus). “ Bill | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 857 Registered: 07-2006 |
@Hush, Not sure if you have seen this, you may also want to read the article, 'Important Information about the circular-ratio Pi! (Wichtige Information zur Kreiszahl Pi!)' written by Christian Frehner, which can be found at: https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Periodicals/FIGUSignoftheTimes/2017/No077/ImportantInformationfortheCircleNumberPI-sec.pdf Hope this helps. PatM | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1555 Registered: 04-2011 |
PS If we use Pi = 3.144 in the formulas you highlighted are then not both results the same (0.617796) ? | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1251 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hello Hush, You stated, “…finally rectify the error in Pi. If it takes a bunch of scientists working brilliantly together to finally solve the error in Pi, doesn't that really suggests the problem, the error in Pi, is extremely complex.” Your comment, “as nothing is official or concrete, and technically hearsay and ill advised to rely on. Not saying the rumor isn't credible,…” I know exactly where you are coming from, your statement is logical. Nonetheless, if you have looked at Harry Lear’s website, http://measuringpisquaringphi.com/pi-measurement. He methodically explains why the current Pi calculation of 3.141… is incorrect. In my opinion, people are making the Pi calculation more complex than it needs to be. I have found in life that there is always more than one way to solve a mystery or a problematic situation. I too was originally skeptical of the error in Pi, so I performed my own physical measurements, numerous times of the circumference (perimeter) of a 1-meter circle. Every time the measurement came out to 3.1446… Professor Bacan with the Apophis Team Project Defense group also performed multiple measurements and came up with the same results of 3.1446… He has also developed a document titled, “Uncertainty analysis of cylinder circumference-to-diameter ratio by Lear methods”. This is not yet published as we (Harry, Mr. Bacan, & myself ) are still proof reading the document. Several mathematicians have acknowledged that Mr. Lear may be correct, some have stated that the current value of 3.1415… seems to work for everybody well enough. However, in my opinion, at one time the wooden wheel worked well enough. But you cannot use it today on a vehicle traveling at 80 m/h (128.75km/h). Likewise, the Pi calculation of 3.1415… may work well enough today, but it is my understanding that it cannot be used to travel at light speed or above or to accurately calculate a huge orbit unless you are using to correct Pi of 3.14460... I watched an episode of the Bill Nye The Science Guy TV show where a NASA engineer has explicitly stated that very large orbits of their satellites have to be constantly tweaked, he acknowledged that he does not know why. Could this have anything to do with the error in the calculation? My I recommend that you go to Harry Lear’s Main Menu Choice “Geometric Proofs of Pi,” and scroll down past Proof 6 in that section and view the latest simplified Proof 7 (a) Pi Circumference Measurement and Proof 7 (b) simplified Math Proof for the true value of Pi = 4 / sqrt (Phi). We all know that no matter what is said or proven, there will always be naysayers and cynics against the Truth. It is also very possible that true Pi may not be discovered or accepted/allowed for many years due to Earthlings potential to turn everything into a weapon. I appreciate your interaction and logical thinking as this helps get the Truth out and acceptable. You are correct when you said, “…from my perspective, prefer to focus on the information provided in official FIGU documentation, which has proven consistently reliable…” Best regards Kenneth | ||
Matthew Member Post Number: 182 Registered: 03-2011 |
Hi Hush, Appreciate your post and understand your meaning re. Pi calculations. My grasp of Maths is very limited, so am unable to contribute, other than to give kudos to those with interesting challenges. I console myself by saying I'm reserving that skill for my future life in Asia, where I suspect the mathematical "keys" can be more easily found, at least, for me, than in the Western traditions. Of course, that's also a handy excuse.  Salome, Matthew | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1252 Registered: 04-2013 |
Patm, Thank you for the link to, 'Important Information about the circular-ratio Pi!’ I had read it before but had a challenge in locating this article.   Hush, your statement, “…however from my perspective, prefer to focus on the information provided in official FIGU documentation, which has proven consistently reliable…” should be answered now. Thank you for the participation and helping to bring the True Pi calculation of 3.144605511… to light. Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Hush New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2020 |
It seems no one is interested in understanding how current Pi is calculated which is unfortunate. Wouldn't you agree at the very least, the current value of Pi=3.14159 would have to be a very accurate when considering NASA and every other space agency on earth, successfully launch satellites into orbit, have sent men to the moon, and put robots on Mars. Fathom how could they possibly enjoy so much success if they were using the wrong value for Pi=3.14159? It should be clear Pi=3.14159 is doing a pretty good job so far, further, supported by a long credible history of math proofs of which there are many. On the other hand Harry Lear's math proof is not very well done and needs a lot of work if it is ever to be acknowledged academically. Its been over 3.5+ years and not one single mathematician/scientist acknowledges his revelation Pi=3.144. Why is that? The reason is the math simply doesn't add up and this has nothing to do with conspiracy or covering the truth. Pi=3.144, is a huge change from the current value Pi=3.141; a change at the 3rd decimal would represent huge computational differences even within our SOL, so much so, it is highly unlikely NASA would ever have completed a single successful mission to Mars if they had used Pi=3.144. When working through the math, this point is clear. Credible accurate truthful information originates directly from Billy and/or Ptaah; always has, always will. Anything as important and the value of Pi, should come directly from either Billy or Ptaah. Its only because of them that we know there is an error in Pi, therefore it follows, it could only be through them that we may obtain confirmation of the correct value of Pi. This should be obvious. Christian Frehner's article in the FIGU Sign of the Time, includes quotes from the Contact Reports between Billy and Ptaah, none of which acknowledge Pi=3.144 (appreciate the significance). So why is Christian suggesting Pi=3.144 unless Billy shared this with him privately but that's their business. What I do know is that Billy has never officially published Pi=3.144 and that should matter to all of us. Understandably Christian is entitled to privileged information but the rest of us have no choice but to go by what's written in the Contact Reports which means all we can go by is what has been officially reported by Billy in collaboration with Ptaah as published in the Contact Reports or as authored by Billy in other documents. Its always interesting to read other's opinions/perspective as did Guido when he shared his extraordinary computations regarding Pi with Billy. Guido was never so bold to insinuate he had solved the true value of Pi. Rather he was quite humble and curious about sharing his observations and kindly asked others for their opinion, from which everyone learns accordingly. Harry Lear, apparently, according to Harry anyway, has not only solved Pi=3.144, but was bold enough to write a letter to the president of the Unites States, stating as much, matter-of-factually, without so much as one single academic endorsement from the scientific community. The letter oozes with ego and an interesting comparison with Guido's more humble approach. So have done due diligence sharing a counter perspective; proposing this matter Pi=3.144 should be left alone and no longer pursued. The recipe for Pi doesn't need any new ingredients unless there is a chef in the house. Just wanted to warn you folks endorsing Pi=3.144, maybe a bad idea as its based only on word-of-mouth, its not coming from Billy, and its not in the Contact Reports. This is an important distinction to be mindful of. In fact the Contact Reports clearly tell us when Pi will be solved; when our scientists work at their best trying to solve the problem with our dying sun so, again, don't understand why anyone is pursuing this really bad idea Pi=3.144 at this time. Consider what if Pi is not equal to 3.144, Billy has never endorsed it, so if wrong, how does this messaging reflect back upon and discredit the entire Figu mission? That's really my point. Why not turn attention to all the other material Billy has shared to better mankind rather focus on something Billy has never ONCE endorsed officially/publically. I mean really? Leave this alone unless YOU can actually prove to yourself, PI=3.144. I have nothing further to add in this regard. Expect this message has already earned sufficient scorn from this community already (LOL). AS they say no good deed goes unpunished. Good luck with your mission proving Pi=3.144. I am done with this. Take care! |
