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Norms
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 12-2019
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2021 - 10:14 am: | 
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@Msmichelle,
I do not spend so much time reading the BEAM material and spend hundreds of dollars to get the translated books or raise questions on this forum for translation in progress that don't make sense (to me) for nothing.
I am not religious! I do not read anything and take it as given without questioning it from my own experience or from information available from other sources!
Have respect for others! |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1559
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2021 - 10:48 am: |
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>>> How (In) Accurate Are COVID-19 Tests? <<<
In the Jan 4, 2021 “Reader Question about the Corona Virus” on the Figu website we learned that according to Billy and Ptaah, both, the more accurate PCR and the Antigen test, “are only reliable to a certain percentage”.
It inspired me to do some research re. “How accurate are the COVID-19 tests, really?”
To answer this question, we first need to explain the 2 criteria by which our scientists determine the accuracy of these tests -
1. Sensitivity – i.e. the detection of “true positives” = the probability that a disease will be detected if the person actually has the disease
and
2. Specificity – i.e. the avoidance of “false positives” = the probability that no disease will be detected if a person doesn’t have the disease
BG Research:
BJM Journals published the results of a Sep 30, 2020 study by a UK research group which analysed the test results of cohort of 3,818 COVID-19 patients that were hospitalized.
Their findings for PCR Tests
- Sensitivity (detecting true positives) = Accuracy avg. ca. 88 %
- Specificity (avoiding false negatives) = between 88 – 100 % (say avg. ca. 94 %)
To better explain these outcomes:
Say 10,000 people of a population in which 1 % (1 of 100) people has the corona virus are PCR tested. Then this would obviously mean that on avg. 100 people test positive and 9,900 negative to the virus.
But applying the research study’s PCR test accuracy this would mean:
- 88 of the 100 COVID-19 cases will test positive (but 12 will not be detected)
- 9306 of the 9900 healthy persons will test negative (but 594 will test positive even though they are healthy)
Final Result: If 1 % of a given population is infected with COVID-19 we should expect 100 of 10,000 people to be infected with COVID-19. But due to the PCR tests’ inaccuracies (88 + 594 =) 682 people will test positive. Or to express it differently: Out of the 682 positive cases only 88 (= ca. 13 %) are really sick.
And this is not all:
Say the disease is decreasing, so that only 0.1 % (1 in 1000) of the people were infected.
Then we should only have 10 cases for 10,000 people: 9990 healthy and 10 COVID-19 persons
- But only 88 % = 8.8 (say 9) test positive (1 will not be detected)
- And only 9339 of the 9990 healthy persons will test negative (651 will test positive even though they are healthy)
Final Result Now: If 0.1 % of a given population is infected with COVID-19 we should expect 10 of 10,000 people to be infected with COVID-19. But due to the PCR tests’ inaccuracies (9 + 651 =) 660 people will test positive. Or to express it differently: Out of the 660 cases which tested positive only 10 (= ca. 0.015 %) are really sick.
Conclusion:
The UK study does not tell the average specificity rate (we estimated an average value of 94 %). But even if the specificity was 99 % accurate it would, if PCR tests were given to a large number of people, return a very wrong result.
NB:
So it does make sense that governments bodies tell people in “hot-spots” (only) to get tested “when they have symptoms” and not (as one would expect) ask all people of the area to get tested:
Testing all people would result in too many “false positive” tests. |
Norms
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 12-2019
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2021 - 12:04 pm: |
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@Hugo,
Have spent hundreds of dollars on P-100 masks that I use whenever and wherever in proximity to other people not in my household!
Spend money on vitamins and prophylaxis and fast and regularly ingest yogurt and vitamin-C and Ivermectin and zinc and selenium to boost my immune system. Am in the process of procuring Ivermectin.
Went out of my way to alert my community about the virus starting Feb 20 after first becoming aware of the virus.
If you can "prove" this virus has been isolated from a human (sick or healthy) then please produce it. You will be doing a great service to humanity!
In the Dustin Nemos from 7-Jan-2021 video at the 13:32 mark, Judy says:
"...the book that I know and it's chilling to read called 'The Great Influenza' by John M. Barry published in the early 2000's (2004 as per search), and it's chilling to see the comparisons how they knew then the masks were driving the disease, - I've got pictures and memes from 1918 with the nurses and people in masks and then getting that shot - be the military force to get that shot, and of course they are in WWI and so everybody (was) told it was spread around the world, ... the virus isn't the disease, and that's why we just said with the PCR test, it's not, IT'S NOT a clinical disease it's not a clinical diagnostic, you have to have a disease - and there for there is no pandemic, because there is no disease. nobody is sick beyond a normal flu season. But they're getting sick because of the lock-downs, the masks, the flu vaccines, which were hyped-up this year more than ever, ... yes, our actions save lives, take of the masks, refuse all of these toxic shots and we will never see this kind of take-over so the opportunity now that didn't exist in 1918 is what you are doing right now, the internet, alternative news networks, ... because people are waking-up in droves as you just said 60% of the people believe the vaccine is deadly, and in fact now they even realize it is not a vaccine. And this is what Dr. David martin said so well on a video called "Focus on Fauci" found at "lineinthesand,us" (That no longer works but is still available on youtube under url parameter "watch?v=bZdMFSFfqeQ") with an international lawyer Roco Galati, Sasha Stone, Me, David Martin, and Rober F. Kennedy Jr. What we did was like an international tribunal testimony seen live by more than 25,000 people seen last Tuesday world-wide from my level, my interaction going back all the way when I was a 25 kid showing how Fauci, Gallo, and the criminal parts of our HHS... viruses aren't political... all the way back to HIV, Tony Fauci has stood next to five administrations and created fear of fake epidemics, oh, 'they were real epidemics' - the ebola that was released from Fort Detrick 2014 to cover-p to kill 24,000 Liberians delivered via a vaccine program delivered via a Christian medical missionaries thinking they are going over there to help them, the fraud perpetrated a lot like covid-19 where everybody is like 'you are doing good', now give them a vaccine, help them out, oh why did this area in Sierra Leon in Liberia where all the oil and diamonds and those pesky black people sitting on top of them ... so they simply erased them and pretended just like in Wuhan China it's a seafood market and some woman forgot how to cook bat soup in a seafood market... so they said the people in Sierra Leon forgot how to co-exist with the bats that they have co-existed for ever, or cook their food - so we're lied to, and this is what we were told all the way back in HIV, oh the cutter incident, or these people were having sex with animals, and this is it a stigma put on a population... but now in 2019, it's healthy people, who are we targeting - the elderly, the mentally retarded, the disabled, the people in nursing homes, the military so we don't have a standing army to fight the Chinese who released this on the world-wide plan to destroy our country, if look New Year's Eve Wuhan, they're dancing in the streets by the millions, you don't see any masks, ... the test is meaningless, it's 97% false-positive as the data clearly shows, and the inventor himself saying no that's not a clinical diagnosis. You and I carry EBV - Epstein Bar Virus as does 99.9% of the world, very few people get the disease associated called mononucleosis or the disease called the deadly lymphoma called Berkitt lymphoma. We don't test for EBV - we don't do a PCR test! I'm talking there are reasons why you get sick... beyond the presence of the virus - it's the cytokine storm, it's the bad hyper-immune response to the virus only the susceptible have that are being targeted with this shot. As David said, we have to stop saying 'covid' meaning coronavirus infectious disease - there is no disease - everybody is healthy, asymptomatic carriers - no such thing, of a corona virus.'
Dustin Nemos breaks in to clarify "you are talking about the flu and other things and they are calling corona - people get emotional some times when you say it's not real - no one's dying, but the death's are real but they are getting something extra to put down covid."
Judy continues: "Correct, the deaths are real, but no more people are dying this year than in normal years... John Hopkins (University) put that out and then retracted it, John Hopkins is part of the problem, these institutions are paid and you are not going to do something when you are paid to do otherwise - and that is our entire medical establishment. They are not going to give-up their job to tell the truth the way I did. They are just going to play along - what they don't realize is they are going to be the next ones to die..."
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Now obviously, these people don't have the BEAM narrative of what really happened. But they are relying on their experiences and are reasoning as "it fits like a glove" even though it may be conspiratorially ...
So it you think you are able to talk to her at her level, where she is irking a lot of powerful groups, with attempts on her life, ... then by all means help her see the light.
I'm only trying to see this from her eyes taking note of information that I am not able to counter claim with for example proof of isolation of the virus from a human (sick or healthy) and watching Dr. Pierre Kory M.D. on the clinical front-lines applying protocols with 100% success rate allowing his group the FLCCC Aliance (covid19criticalcare.com) to SHOUT out to the world they are able to treat this illness and the deaths are needless. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1560
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2021 - 12:31 pm: |
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Some Additional Findings Re. PCR Tests:
- The intended use of the PCR was not to detect viruses, but to replicate DNA sequences (m)billions of times. It uses a copying process so as to increase tiny viral fragments to detectable levels. But this (m)billion-fold copying process can easily produce false negative and false positive test results.
- BBC: PCR tests will also detect fragments of RNA left for weeks after an infection has resolved
- Another reason for false test result: Sample collected is to small
The ”Guardian” newspaper (Jun 27, 2020):
- In Feb 2020
----the health authority in China’s Guangdong province reported that people who had fully recovered from the disease, first started to test “negative,” and then “positive” again.
----Wang Chen (Pres. Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences) concedes that the PCR tests are “only 30 to 50 per cent accurate”;
- In March 2020 at a hospital in Wuhan reported that 29 out of 610 patients had 3 to 6 test results that flipped between “negative”, “positive” and “dubious”.
- Sin Hang Lee (Milford Molecular Diagnostics Lab) on March 22, 2020:
"... PCR tests generate many false positive results…”
- Study from Singapore:
On 18 patients with daily tests “ the majority went from “positive” to “negative” back to “positive” at least once, and up to five times in one patient…”
The “Guardian” concluded:
“ … the tests would be practically worthless, and would only cause an unfounded scare among the “positive” people tested…”
- “Timing” is as well important:
----According to PHAC (Public Health Canada) ca. 98 % of patients – if tested within 2 days of exposure (“worst days to test”) will still get a negative result… after 5 days it still is 50 % of patients that will test negatively (from the 6th day until symptoms disappear: still 10 %)
----“Eurosurveillance” “….the corona virus is most detectable via PCR tests approximately one day before symptoms start to appear – more difficult thereafter…”
Conclusion
The results of PCR tests may be more accurate than Antigen tests (their sensitivity (acc. to BJM) ranges from 18.4 %(!) to 96.1 %) but they are far from being always right. |
Hugo
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Post Number: 972
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2021 - 04:06 pm: |
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Norms,
No, I cannot prove that but what I can do is listen to what the Plejaren tell us about this virus because they have already proven their knowledge of it is way above ours. Look at MH website for the proof of that. So why bother listening to any of our so called "Dr" experts about this virus over the P's? |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 758
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 04:57 am: |
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Norms....well go ahead and go mask-less and let us know what happens
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Learnmore12
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Post Number: 120
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 09:22 am: |
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It is because of such conspiracies such as "corona hoax, and maskless being the right thing to to do", that our battle with corona virus is getting worse and worse. I am shocked to see after all the warnings and facts from P's and the death rate and severity of the disease world wide, people still think that corona is a hoax!! unbelievable!! I work in a hospital and see firsthand what is going on in these hospitals. This virus is extremely contagious and will not spare anyone that comes in contact with it!! Right now, hospitals are making decisions as to whom to save and whom not to!! There is lack of staff and lack of resources to take care of people who are infected with corona. Hospitals are in a breakdown mode and in critical situation. There is no place to treat the sick people. The P's have been right all along, and it is their wisdom that has saved my life until now! Wear the right mask to save your own life! Please!! |
Norm
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Post Number: 251
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 02:23 pm: |
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Learnmore12, Its a pretty sad state of affairs. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1512
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 05:28 pm: |
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She responded to the email I sent her, saying she was looking at the information. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1562
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 09:10 pm: |
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Very true, thank you Learnmore12.
Bill |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1256
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Friday, January 15, 2021 - 03:27 am: |
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Read an article in the:
THE HILL 1625 K STREET, NW SUITE 900 WASHINGTON DC 20006
Tech coalition working to create digital COVID-19 vaccination passport…
By Justine Coleman - 01/14/21 11:52 AM EST
Could this have the potential of evolving into chipping all that have been vaccinated?
Kenneth |
Hugo
Member
Post Number: 973
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Friday, January 15, 2021 - 08:04 pm: |
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Kenneth,
I think yes it is possible. Anything the powers could use to help enslave humanity with bio-chips, they will use!
People and nations are starting to realize the threat that big tech is to everyone's democracy/freedoms after what they did with banning Trump! And there's some talk out there that Trump plans to start his own news media company - "Trump News Network" which will likely be an instant success. He will do this to fight big tech and mainstream media outlets but I think it will only divide the USA even more thus bringing the riots and breakup sooner. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1567
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, January 16, 2021 - 05:31 am: |
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Not quite sure about the "chipping"
... but while some ultra-nationalists may see recent events as the "Storming of the Bastille Vers. 2", some of the ultra-rich and powerful may well use the mood of the moment to make sure that the journalists’ and individuals' "free speech is redefined into "a much more conform speech / media only".
If they read Michael’s blogs *) or our Forum discussions they may be aware of the accuracy of Billy's CR information in relation to the corona virus and realize that this plague will be with us for a long time **) or even interpret the chaotic recent events as a precursor to what Quetzal called the "Third World Fire" ... ***)
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https://theyflyblog.com/?p=11209
https://theyflyblog.com/2021/01/the-superpower-usa-could-come-to-an-end-after-2020/
**) CR 759 Nov, 6 2020
"... After that, however, you and my father explored the next 6 decades from 1970 to 2030 and learned how, why and by what means the viral corona plague will develop and then evolve into the plague over the next decades..."
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http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/18331.html#POST90997
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 761
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, January 16, 2021 - 07:39 am: |
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Don't be fooled....politics and mainstream/alternative media go hand and hand. There are no differences between one or the other
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1569
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, January 18, 2021 - 11:30 am: |
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Could it be …
…that some people (who had an inkling of the danger) tried to create a vaccine “before it happened”?
Because there are people who “knew some or all of the matter” - Ptaah in CR 728 of Nov 2019 (published May 9,2020 *)
“… And if everything now happens and certain people in ... ... try to claim that the rampantly spreading disease is of natural origin, then such attempts will come from persons who know about the matter, who know some or all of it, but who will, as usual, try to cover it up, as customary…”
Just a passing thought...
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9-May-2020-12-Explanations-from-Ptaah-on-the-background-of-the-Corona-pandemic-and-its-real-origin (creationaltruth.org) |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1570
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 - 01:04 pm: |
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What may we expect in 2021 and the following years?
The Health Impact
Many governments pin their hopes on the roll-out of Covid-19 vaccines. But how long will they protect the vaccinated? It is not just that a person may have to vaccinated every 6-12 months - there may be new virus variants against which the current vaccines offer no protection anymore: The new South African virus strain 501.V2 is not only much more transmissible (80 % of infected South Africans carry this virus mutant) it is as well very close to escape the vaccine-induced immunity…
That the human catastrophe is far from being over – this conclusion would follow as well from what Billy said in CR 759. In this report Billy first mentions that he and Sfath visited our world from 1970 to 2030 and they traced as well the progress of the corona virus from its beginnings in 1976.
Billy: “… In addition, it is claimed that the spread of the epidemic will not increase any further, but this will be exactly the opposite, especially here in Europe, as I have observed together with Sfath. In the future, the whole thing will increase enormously, and now even more so with mass infections and fatalities, which will drive the whole thing up into the millions.
As I have seen with Sfath in the future, since the effective first emergence of the precursor of the plague some 40 years ago, it has continued to mutate and evolve, as it did in laboratories, only to break out last December as the Corona plague. ..”
To this we may add what Ptaah told us - that the Corona Virus escaped the lab a few times – starting in the 1970s. We know as well that this deadly virus then joined up with the flu virus – making the annual flu much more lethal.
But what makes the prospect for the future very uncertain is not only the virus’s health impact but what Billy describes as
The Economic Impact
Billy: “ … Due to the incompetence of those in power, however... the whole thing will escalate in this month (November 2020 - CR ) until December to such an extent that it will effectively crack in the woodwork of various banks themselves, because taxpayers' money will be squandered on government loans, which in turn will put the states into enormous debt.
And the taxpayers will have to pay for these debts, which is not enough, because the descendants of today's taxpayers will also have to pay, and after them their descendants, and after them their six descendants, and so on.
If, however, imbeciles sit in the governments who have no idea of how to govern, then it is not surprising that the nonsensical national debt creation by the incompetent rulers will drive up the mountains of national debt to such an extent that one fine day a collapse will occur, as may also happen, let us say, with Earth humanity if it copulates itself into its own downfall and thereby exterminates itself, as it has often done since time immemorial. …”
So, seven or more future generations will suffer through the financial consequences of this pandemic.…
…it somewhat reminds of the bible’s “generation curses” and of some Buddhist sects' directives which speak of deeds which change a person’s karma for the better or worse for 7 generations.
But in view of Billy’s description it is the irresponsibility, populist agenda and perhaps the excessive material greed that hindered many governments to strictly contain the pandemic:
Billy: “[Had the governments all over the world done the right thing],
… then no pandemic would have arisen, but the whole thing could have run its course within a short period of 2 to 3 months. This way, countless people would not have been infected by the disease so far and would not have died from it, and then the disease would not have started to run rampant and claim many thousands of lives, as will now be the case from this month (Nov 2020) onwards.
Billy is very hesitant in telling any exact dates *) – but I think what Billy wants to tell us is that we should – in our planning for the future – not be too overoptimistic or speculate on too fast a recovery. Indeed, it may be more proper to plan for a new era in which uncertainty overshadows human life.
Bill |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1571
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 - 01:07 pm: |
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CR 251:186:
"However, it would not be advisable to give precise data because this would again give rise to things that could unfavourably change future events, as they might cause disturbances of consciousness, etc., in many people, because the knowledge of what is coming attempts would be made to change many things that cannot be changed in any way, because they are just predictions and not changeable prophecies."
PS
On the German website’s documentary “Prophecies and Predictions” (English and German) is an interview in which Billy explains that he himself has experienced that giving exact predictions to people radically changes these people, makes them lose control …
“If one tells people about their future that they will come into trouble, will have problems, will be in anger then this will lead them – as I myself have experienced that when I have told some people something about their future – into great problems, they do crazy things – some of them even became confused in their mind [mentally deranged]..” |
Norms
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 12-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 - 02:12 pm: |
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Recommend watching presentation by Dr. Tom Cowan on bitchute titled "THE SCIENCE OF MRNA VACCINES – DR. TOM COWAN" where he talks on genetics, viruses, vaccines (vacations), wireless tech, toxins in the environment that may be responsible for making people more susceptible to what ever it is that is causing this illness, the case numbers being reported, ... and then answers questions ....
There are other bitchute videos where Tom address many of the issues in this thread - for example the PCR test, the spread of the virus (contagion), .... Just do a search on bitchute for "Dr. Tom Cowan"
Don't know how to contact Tom, but maybe someone at FIGU can bring his attention to the coronavirus CRs. |
Norms
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Post Number: 54
Registered: 12-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 - 03:09 pm: |
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Dr. Tom Cowan in his bitchute video "The Science of mRNA Vaccines - Dr. Tom Cowan", recommends, at the 34:45 mark, youtube videos (and the works) of a biologist named Harold Hillman.
Look for an article titled "Harold Hillman's work - How Much Modern Biology is a Fraud?" |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1517
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 - 03:36 pm: |
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Arizona Officials & Media: The Deadly Cost of Incompetence
Arrogant, criminally negligent officials and media in Arizona suppressed life-saving COVID information, children by the hundreds paying the price
https://theyflyblog.com/?p=11424 |
Norms
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Post Number: 55
Registered: 12-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 - 06:20 pm: |
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Recommend watching Tom Cowan and Sally Fallon Morell podcast (on bitchute) titled "Dr. Tom Cowan & Sally Fallon Morrell: Viruses (including "Coronavirus") Are Not the Cause of Disease" They discuss a great deal about terrain and she also recommends daily consumption of fermented food.
Also read their book "The Contagion Myth".
Sally authored an article, 18-Jul-2020, titled "Is Coronavirus Contagious?" that is an interesting read.
Sally has a blog at nourishingtraditions.com. Cannot locate contact information. However, if contact Tom, can request Sally also consider the BEAM coronavirus CRs. |
Norms
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Post Number: 56
Registered: 12-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 - 06:41 pm: |
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Sally in her bitchute podcast with Tom says raw milk is a rich source of vitamin C and that the great plague of infantile scurvy started when we began to heat treat the milk. Vitamin-C is the most heat sensitive vitamin. She recommends raw foods and sees the fermented foods as "super raw". She says vitamins are best in their complex form (from their natural sources) as vitamins today are primarily produced in China and contain impurities and very often have the opposite effect from natural vitamins. She gives as example Retsin-A for acne causing anger as a side-effect. She says the best treatment for anger is cod-liver-oil.... |
Norms
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Post Number: 57
Registered: 12-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 - 08:15 pm: |
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Watch Dr. Simon Gold M.D. presentation on bitchute titled "DR. SIMONE GOLD – THE TRUTH ABOUT THE CV19 VACCINE". She also practices law.
She emphasizes simple safe inexpensive tested treatments are readily available for SARS-COV-2. In the western world, you are at the mercy of your doctor. However, if you know about these common treatments, you can request them and your doctor will have to procure those drugs to treat you.
She talks at length about healthcare fraud...
She speaks for America's Frontline Doctors (aflds.com)
Maybe someone can bring her attention to the coronavirus CRs. |
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