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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1264
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2021 - 11:49 am: | 
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Bill & All,
“…We have to take care of our psyche to not get depressed by witnessing the blindness of humankind on its way to the abyss of doom..."
Yikes, this statement alone sends chills down my spine.
It appears that very few outside the Teaching are aware of Overpopulation. Just yesterday (Feb. 13), had the opportunity to talk to a deeply religious, retired military individual with religious tattoos of a cross with short bible scriptures on his body. All that aside he is a good person that takes care of his family and will help anyone in need. Nonetheless, he is opinionated.
As we were talking for over an hour (from a distance), the discussion was directed to Overpopulation. Without getting too detailed, much was covered about the Teaching regarding Overpopulation etc., without getting into the Teaching itself. In my opinion, that would have derailed the conversation at this point in time. The dialogue included oxygen levels in nearly all oceans, air quality, drinking water quality, oil extraction issues and how the Earth is not able to keep up with resupplying these basics. It was explained that just because there are large portions of land not occupied by humans does not mean the Earth is not overpopulated. The Earth is more than thirteen times overpopulated. Planet Earth should be closer to a population of 523 million worldwide. One could see the expression that he was deeply thinking about these truthful facts.
One can read a lot in a person body language, voice fluctuations etc. This person believes that extraterrestrials are extremely possible, nonetheless it was noted that he was resistant to human extraterrestrials in contact with mainly one person in Switzerland, so the discussion was not guided into this direction. Nonetheless, he finally conceded and said, “Wow, I never had it explained this way, you are right!”
Now he needs to continue to think for himself and spread the word as well.
Salome
Kenneth |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 773
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2021 - 01:23 pm: |
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Most people do not want to discuss the issues and crisis involving overpopulation due to conspiracies, religions, politics. They "know" the "elites" are attempting to "control the population" blah, blah, blah. I mean, how can you have a conversation with most who think this way? It's exhausting...one person told me, "we need to provide homes for people" or "no one has the right to tell me how many kids to have"
By the way, rural areas are just as crowded and more construction homes are underway, destroying the infrastructure and environment. Polluting the ponds, lakes, oceans. Wildlife are running for their lives such as bears, deer, coyotes, birds, due to cutting down trees for construction homes, roadway projects, etc
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Hugo
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Post Number: 984
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2021 - 03:02 pm: |
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Jacob,
I been thinking how Contact Report 670 says two-thirds of humankind can die. Two-thirds of population seems an incredibly high number of people dying without something like a nuclear world war happening to us in these times and not from an atmospheric oxygen collapse because we aren't as overpopulated as Akart. Is that what it could be referring to below? WW4? -
"290. The future new coming wars, triggered worldwide through the blame of America,...." |
Jacob
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 07-2019
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 03:56 am: |
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Hi Msmichelle, Hi, Hugo, thank you both!
I wasn’t aware of the posts Tat_tvam_asi brought up. I wanted to approach the issue in a more exact way by calculating the approximate time when the world would be in acute danger of atmospheric collapse.
There are so many man-made and natural-disasters waiting in our near future, that it will happen more than once that the earth human population will be reduced by as much as 2/3 of its size.
I realized that the call to reduce overpopulation is a call that won’t be truly heard for centuries to come.
There is just zero percent chance that the call to reduce overpopulation will be heard in our lifetimes, the fight against overpopulation will bear fruit in about 800 years from now.
Since 34 billion will be reached in 2137 with the current growth of the overpopulation, it is beyond a doubt that near-apocalyptic events WILL occur between now and then, however after this date up to the 28th century there will be more near-apocalyptic events.
This is from contact 251:
297. Und wiederum etwa 35 Jahre später wird ein neues Schrecknis die Erdenmenschen treffen, wenn durch ein Weltraum-Forschungsschiff der Erdlinge von einem fernen Planeten eine tödliche Seuche auf die Erde eingeschleppt wird, der die Medizinische Wissenschaft hilflos gegenüberstehen wird.
English translation:
297. And again about 35 years later a new horror will strike the Earth people, when a deadly plague will be brought to Earth from a distant planet by a space research ship of the Earthlings, and medical science will be helpless against it.
373. Dann folgt eine böse Zeit, die wieder einmal durch die Schuld der Wissenschaftler beeinflusst wird in der Form, dass den Menschen ein Tier dienstbar gemacht wird, das in sich jedoch viel Negatives, Bösartiges und Ausgeartetes birgt, was jedoch erst durch dessen Dienstbarmachung für den Menschen ausgelöst wird und durchbricht, in deren Folge das Tier (oder die Tiere) die Menschen zu attackieren beginnt, was derart ausartet, dass es regelrecht Jagd auf die Erdenmenschen machen und sie massenweise töten wird.
374. Ob das Tier nun aus den Weiten des Universums auf die Erde eingeführt wird oder von der Erde stammt, darüber schweigt sich diese Voraussage leider aus.
375. Jedenfalls jedoch werden die Menschen der gesamten Welt gezwungen sein, sich gegen dieses Tier (oder gegen diese Tiere) zur Wehr zu setzen, was aber nicht viel Nutzen bringen wird, folglich schlussendlich für alle Menschen der Erde nur die Flucht auf einen einzigen Kontinenten möglich ist, der zu einem gigantischen Bollwerk ausgebaut wird.
English translation:
373. Then an evil time follows, which is influenced once again by the fault of the scientists in the form that an animal is made serviceable to the people, which holds, however, in itself a lot of negative, malicious and degenerate, which is triggered, however, only by his making serviceable for the people and breaks through, in whose consequence the animal (or the animals) begins to attack the people what degenerates in such a way that it will make downright hunt on the earth people and will kill them massively.
374 Whether the animal is introduced now from the depths of the universe on the earth or originates from the earth, about it this prediction is unfortunately silent.
375. In any case, however, the people of the whole world will be forced to defend themselves against this animal (or against these animals), which will not bring, however, much benefit, consequently, finally for all people of the earth only the escape is possible on a single continent which is developed to a gigantic bulwark.
What is written in line paragraph 375 is a clear indication that this animal / these animals will eradicate a large part of the earth human population, in an earlier paragraph, it is written that a deadly disease will be brought to Earth which will cause yet another pandemic.
Its my educated guess that these aforementioned events will occur in the 23rd - 24th century, because in the 28th century, hyperspace technology will be finally invented and the people of Earth finally will start to study the spiritual teaching, which does not mean that the trouble will be over.
Thank you all for weighing in.
Glad to be back (I was never really gone).
Salome,
Jacob |
Jacob
Member
Post Number: 12
Registered: 07-2019
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 04:20 am: |
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Msmichelle,
My experience exactly when you say: “Most people do not want to discuss the issues and crisis involving overpopulation due to conspiracies, religions, politics. They "know" the "elites" are attempting to "control the population" blah, blah, blah. I mean, how can you have a conversation with most who think this way? It's exhausting...one person told me, "we need to provide homes for people" or "no one has the right to tell me how many kids to have" “
It seems that hardly anyone understands that there is no attempt to take away the ‘right’ to reproduce altogether, there are only logical attempts to moderate it in such a way that the Earth can handle the human population again.
It’s next to impossible to get this in most peoples understanding. This is because people are more or less are egotistical, and they don’t care as long their lives are going well, they can work, play, party, make money, waste their lives on social media and what have you.
It will only change if disasters of such a scale happen that nearly everyone is affected, then it might change, but for now, no, I don’t think people will change their minds about global birth-control and overpopulation. Not even with the corona-pandemic going when this is written.
The few people who do understand this are few and far in-between and way too few in order to make an effective change on the short term. We are in it for the ride, regardless if we like it or not.
I have experienced that some people who are aware about the overpopulation issue, that they tell me that they won’t have kids because of overpopulation.
At first glance this may sound logical, but in fact it isn’t, it is a knee-jerk reaction to a very bad situation.
My reply is that it’s actually a good thing that children (max. 3) are born from such parents, because those children have a head start and are raised by parents who are more logical and intelligent in these matters, so this knowledge and understanding can propagate over generations to come and in time it will swell on to become the dominant force and actually save the planet.
The mindless people who are against any form of birth control / overpopulation reduction will reproduce anyway. If the more logical people won’t reproduce, common sense would die out and the atmospheric collapse would be a sure fact.
Salome.
Jacob |
Jacob
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 07-2019
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 04:30 am: |
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Hugo,
Future wars, man-made and natural catastrophes like the Eifel caldera in Germany (actually not too far from where I live in the Netherlands).
Volcano eruptions, Earth-quakes, tsunami, famine, epidemics, new pandemics, economical crisis, you name it.
Not to forget a potential astroid strike which could also cause tremendous earth quakes and destruction.
Of course, this won’t happen all at once, but in a relative short time frame to that the earth population growth can’t keep up with the destruction caused by all those aforementioned factors.
For all the millennia that Earth humankind has lived wrongly, materialistic, cult-religiously, we are about to pay the bill.
The laws of nature are logical and absolute and there is nothing that can hinder the law of cause and effect.
That being said, we will survive.
Salome,
Jacob |
Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 1265
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 05:23 am: |
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Hi MsMichelle,
I have experienced that same thing, “Most people do not want to discuss the issues and crisis involving overpopulation due to conspiracies, religions, politics.” Admittedly, talking to a religious military person about Overpopulation was a rare opportunity.
Almost everywhere, the rural areas are getting just as crowded and Overpopulated with additional construction of homes and businesses, which leads to widening of roads and freeways destroying even more of the environment.
Where I live today was a rural area years ago, now I am in the middle of a busy developed town, within the city's metropolitan area. People are continually complaining about the crowded roads and freeways. Nonetheless, various towns around the metropolitan area are continually issuing building permits to contractors, turning farmland into housing of one type or another, especially apartments, condominiums and townhouses, compounding the overpopulation of people, animals (pets) and automobile traffic.
It all boils down to one thing, money, greed, profit for the city officials and contractors. Generally, folks do not have a clue of what is really happening (Cause and Effect) with the environment. Most businesses, towns and cities and are under the illusion that a profit must be made year after year, which is the engine of Overpopulation.
A local church needed to make more profit, so it sold off a large portion of its property to be built into housing. The church, city officials and contractors all made a profit, and of course the church is hopping to add people to its congregation.
Talk about a dog chasing its tail, the action that is ineffectual and does not lead to true progress of human development of consciousness and the understanding of the fundamentals of Creation. It is sad to witness people unconsciously and blindly marching into the abyss of doom.
Kenneth |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 775
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 08:47 am: |
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Kenneth, I've been "contemplating" the becoming and passing for quite some time, especially recently since my father died. Yet due to the overpopulation crisis we're facing on this earth, we all must continue to become and pass and I'm attempting to wrap my head around how can we "effectively" resolve the overpopulation crisis. Most people are unfamiliar about the Teaching, and most people fear death and do any and everything just to live. Most people have no concept of becoming and passing, however, if most people would become familiar with becoming and passing, I sense, I'll cause the "overpopulation" to become worst, because, some would "feel" no consequence, especially, if they "realize" the reincarnation cycle exist, therefore, It will encourage, irresponsibility, recklessness, etc., because they'll feel, "we're going to die anyway". I sense "cause and effect" means absolutely nothing, if we destroy this planet, because, eventually, we'll "reincarnate" on another planet and it goes on and on., meaning it's similar to a new car, "crash it and get another one".
Hope this makes sense
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Jacob
Member
Post Number: 14
Registered: 07-2019
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 02:02 pm: |
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Hello Msmichelle,
I would like to comment on your remark: “I sense "cause and effect" means absolutely nothing, if we destroy this planet, because, eventually, we'll "reincarnate" on another planet and it goes on and on., meaning it's similar to a new car, "crash it and get another one".
Think about this, even if we would destroy this planet and our spirit forms would find another inhabited planet to reincarnate on, it would not solve our issues.
The (universal) storage banks would make sure of that. Everything we do, think, feel, etc., etc., is stored and will hit future personalities again, even when they reincarnate on another planet(s). We won’t get rid of our illogical impulses that easy.
A reckless driver who wrecks his car, gets a new car does not suddenly become a good driver (especially not an earth human), if there is nothing learned, he risks doing the same stupid things again.
The positive thing however would be that our (meaning earth human) spiritforms would incarnate on a planet which inhabitants are hopefully more intelligent, so that the newcomers are limited in their possibilities to wreak havoc.
The mentality of humans to regard the planet Earth as a throwaway object, something expendable is an absolute disgrace, and a total lack of understanding of the natural-creative laws and recommendations.
It will be a very long time before people accept reincarnation as a given fact, most people live like they are alive just for one time only and that there are no successor personalities after their current life. They usually think “I don’t care, when that happens, I am dead and gone anyway.”
Salome,
Jacob
"I know that I know nothing." |
Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 1266
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 03:09 pm: |
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Hi MsMichelle,
It does make sense and I can understand where you are coming from, in your line of work, at times it must seem frustrating with all the craziness going on.
Nonetheless, interesting that you bring this up. Before I discovered the Teaching, I was reading some metaphysical literature which was one of the steppingstones that got me to where I am today in the Teaching. However, I no longer read this type of material.
I bring this up because in one of these books it was explaining reincarnation (not to the accuracy of the Teaching). According to this information the so-called wise ones that understood the workings of Creation, decreed that no layfolk should possess the true knowledge of Creation because if the common folk "realized" that the reincarnation cycle exists, it would encourage, irresponsibility, recklessness, etc. To some degree this may be accurate?
Earthlings are now stepping out of their baby shoes (according to Billy), must make mistakes before progress is made.
In my opinion, human beings must be offered the Teaching of spirit, the teaching of life, the teaching of truth and therefore the teaching of the truth of the laws and recommendations of the primal power of all existence, Creation. Then it is up to each individual to think for themselves, in understanding the Truth and making the correct decisions.
Salome
Kenneth |
Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 776
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 03:38 pm: |
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My post #775; Sorry for the run on paragraphs...
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1590
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 04:35 pm: |
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Hi Jacob,
Re. your calculation:
In 2016 I had calculated the oxygen collapse based on a graph that showed the shortening time span it took our world population to grow by another 1 billion - If I recall correctly it came close to 120 years.
Then, in Jan. last year I took a different approach - by just using the annual population growth that the Plejaren stated:
"... In 2020 world’s population is appr. 9 billion. If we estimate it to grow at the constant rate of 110 million per year, it would take ca. 127 years until Earth's population reaches 23 billion, i.e. the state Akart was at in 1975 and that, according to Ptaah, it only took another 32 years before almost all the 34 billion Akartians died due to an oxygen collapse.
If the same were to happen on our planet (no wars / epidemics etc) we would be on our way to an oxygen collapse in (127 + 32 =) 159 years, i.e. (2020 + 157 =) in 2179 AC
But the annual increase of Earth humans accelerates each year, so it should happen much earlier than that."
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/17527.html#POST88338
One word re. the "animal" you mentioned that will attack humans:
According to the Plejaren many nations secretly develop human hybrids for warfare. Even the National Geographics published an article in 2017 (Google for "Human Pig-Hybrid Created in the Lab - Here are the Facts")
Pigs are emotional, cognitively complex and highly intelligent (they can outsmart chimps)- and maybe pig hybrids are even more so, it could well be so that these "smart creations" may not like to be bossed around as human soldiers. (But this is only my thought -it could well be another animal)
Nice you are back on the Forum.
Salome, Bill |
Hugo
Member
Post Number: 985
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 06:27 pm: |
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Jacob,
That's right!
I should have read the rest of Contact Report 670 to get my answer instead of asking you. It was all written there.
The good times are over. I didn't think I would see it in my lifetime!  |
Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 1267
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 10:20 pm: |
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Jacob
Ha, "I know that I know nothing."
I use a line similar to that, "The more that I learn, the more I realize how little I really know." .
Kenneth |
Jacob
Member
Post Number: 15
Registered: 07-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 16, 2021 - 07:11 am: |
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Bill,
Thank you, nice to see how people independently come to similar conclusions, nice to see logic at work.
We have to take in account that the Earth has an unusual low oxygen level already, 20 - 21%, where (earth) humans / Plejarens, etc., we need 33 %
This could be a major factor in when and how fast an collapse would occur.
We don't know the size, landmass / water ratio of Akart, average age when Akartians reproduce.
So I think the consensus should be that between now and roughly 100 years a lot of bad things will happen that will reduce the overpopulation in a drastic and draconic way.
Often I felt down about the fact that we (people here on the FIGU forum, FIGU friends, etc) know this.
However I think it's much worse for people who are oblivious about the future events and the enormous consequences following those events.
@hugo
The relative good times are indeed over, I don't know how old you are, but retiring in a tropical country in peace and quiet is not in the books, neither for you or me.
Salome,
Jacob
"I know, that I know nothing." |
Hugo
Member
Post Number: 986
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 16, 2021 - 02:10 pm: |
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Jacob,
Yes, I think from now on people will realize the good times are indeed over and look back with fondness at the times before the virus hit.
I am 53 year old living in suburban Melbourne Australia. The virus is no where near as widespread here as practically everywhere else abroad. If virus ever becomes widespread here like abroad I intend to go permanently live on my 40 acre rural property. That's what I bought it for many years ago. There I would have more time to bury my head in the spiritual teachings and try to make the best of the situation I can. That's all I can do I guess. I feel glad I was born/living in Australia because it is not as overpopulated as most of rest of world. Because of that I think we get a little reprieve here when things turn bad in the world but I understand I/we are still living on the same rock. |
Norm
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Post Number: 256
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 17, 2021 - 05:47 pm: |
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Jacob, Where are you seeing paragraphs 373-375 for CR 251? I only see CR 251 go up to paragraph 227. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 3263
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 17, 2021 - 09:56 pm: |
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Norm from what I can tell, Jacob was reading from the large block of text which wasn't numbered within Contact 251...Perhaps he numbered it as reference, not sure? |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1591
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, February 18, 2021 - 02:53 am: |
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The German version of CR 251 has numbered paragraphs:
www.figu.org/ch/ufologie/kontaktberichte/kontaktbericht-251?page=0,0
Bill |
Joe
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Post Number: 588
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 18, 2021 - 09:24 am: |
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Tat_tvam_asi,
What you have posted is interesting because contact report 251 which I had uploaded on the future of mankind website does not have numbered sentences. But that is because Billy is supposedly talking. I can confirm that the original PDF that I have from this particular contact report does not have numbered sentences. So what there is on the future of mankind website should be correct. |
Tat_tvam_asi
Member
Post Number: 1593
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, February 18, 2021 - 09:28 am: |
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The Authorities, the Academics and the People
Some Press Releases Re. Overpopulation:
The Pew Research Center published this analysis based on UN projections / data in mid 2019:
"For the first time in modern history, the world’s population is expected to virtually stop growing by the end of this century, due in large part to falling global fertility rates, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of new data from the United Nations..."
Only the populations of Africa will continue to strongly grow - but the overall population growth is expected to be a mere 0.1 % (at present between 1 and 2 %), the fertility rate is expected to be 1.9 (down from 2.5 at present), the median age is expected to be 42 up from 31 today (and 24 in 1950).
Well - we know that the UN data is very different from the Plejaren data ...
In a different publication (gizmodo, publishing a list of professors that think overpopulation is never a problem) e.g. Prof. Raywat Deonandan of the University of Ottawa even states:
"...the rate of global population growth has already slowed, and we will have decline by the end of the century..."
gizmodo:
"The notion that we’re headed towards some kind of populational apocalypse ..has been used to stoke fear and sell books for more than a century..."
On the other side of the spectrum - a new survey (Feb 9, 2021) by the Global Challenges Foundation questioned ca. 1000 people in each of the following countries: India, Russia, Sweden, Germany, UK, Brazil, India, South Africa, Australia shows that in all these countries a majority of people either "strongly" or "to some extent" that overpopulation "may be considered a global catastrophic risk".
Google for:
"Survey shows the general public is ready for discussions about population"
May be the "general public" should have more say?
Bill |
Jacob
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 07-2019
| | Posted on Thursday, February 18, 2021 - 01:17 pm: |
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Exactly, I use the German version. I prefer the German originals. |
Norm
Member
Post Number: 257
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, February 18, 2021 - 04:09 pm: |
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I couldn't find the English version of those CR on FOM. I searched the words not just the numbers. Plus only the ETs are numbered & Billy is never numbered. |
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