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    Stefan_z2 Member Post Number: 174 Registered: 12-2014 |
Hi Bill, Fellows, Good that you bring up UN’s “official” figures in their most recent 2019 guesswork. They are usually releasing every 2 years an update. And after longer periods of only upwards corrections then in 2019 this dangerously misleading one. Maybe it is worth to provide some background information on the way these figures come about. I did 20 years ago work for an international organisation in the capacity building and development context and had there also the chance to do work for a National Statistics Agency. The global UN statistics are produced by the UN’s Population Division within the Department of Economic and Social Affairs in New York. Over there they remain totally passive about things (as far as counteractions are concerned), just compiling the figures they receive every 2 years reported by the worldwide governments and then constructing their wishful thinking forecasts on that basis. I once asked them how big their margin of error would be in their estimates, a figure missing with all their online and print information. No answer to that. Across the street one can find the UNFPA, the United Nations Population Fund. They are supposed to do something but have over time due to pressure by the supervising govs twisted their original mission and targets towards rights and entitlements of women regarding their wish for as many healthy and surviving children as they like. You might know that a national population census is usually done no more often than once every 10 years. You can image what that means for the quality of UN’s biannual reports. Having helped building one up, I can tell you that many developing countries do not have any or only spotty coverage with civil registry offices for things like birth and death. So even when very well intended they need to do a certain extent of estimation for compiling their nation-wide figures. And then there is another key factor that drives inaccuracies: one important indicator for comparing and benchmarking global economic progress is by now (fortunately) the fertility rate. At a political level almost everyone acknowledges that there is a stark correlation between a nation’s wealth and its average number of children per woman. As no surprise the standard interpretation goes as, as soon as we have aggressively enough pumped up our economy with more and more growth, more demand, more consumption, richness will automatically kick in, and in parallel to that family sizes will without relevant other interventions automatically shrink. So, in other words, political success towards citizens’ wellbeing can to some extent be proven by showing reductions of child births as lacking indicator following increasing wealth. What does that mean for the Statistics Agencies and governmental reports? It should be obvious, they are incentivised to produce positive trends, because desiring to shine towards citizens, other national governments and international aid organisations which reward progress with more grants. Salome, Stefan PS: I had a few years ago the chance to attend a lecture by the current boss of the UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs, overseeing the Population Division, Mr. Liu Zhenmin, Chinese native. I asked him, if it would not be strange that after the successful proof by the Chinese government that family size policies can make a huge impact against this major global problem, that this approach has not become a global norm yet. As expected, he answered evasively, stressing that there would be very different cultures and norms country by country and that this must always be taken in consideration. | ||
Stefan_z2 Member Post Number: 175 Registered: 12-2014 |
Hello Jacob, This must be an older print. Block 7, copyrighted in 2005, does not have numbers for that part. Could it be that you are using a Semjase Report, which still had that formatting? Greetings, Stefan | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 863 Registered: 07-2006 |
There are three sources/versions you can use to verify the numbering of Contact 251 phrases/sentences. Version 1: German original from: 'Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports (Plejadisch-plejarische Kontakberichte)' Block 7, pages 320-379 This official version, as most in the Contact Blocks only see numbering of the phrases/sentences of the extraterrestrial(s) speaking with Billy. Normally Billy's phrases/sentences are not numbered. In this contact (251), Ptaah speaks 227 different phrases/sentences. Version 2: from the FIGU official website regarding Contact 251: http://www.figu.org/ch/ufologie/kontaktberichte/kontaktbericht-251 This version is actually an excerpt from Contact 251 which only contains phrases and sentences from Billy which normally are not numbered, however in this version they are numbered 1-423. Ptaah does not speak in the version. This version is only an excerpt of the contact which appears in the 'Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports (Plejadisch-plejarische Kontakberichte)' Block 7, pages 323-351. Version 3: Future of Mankind version at: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251 This version of Contact 251 is identical regarding the numbering appearing in 'Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports (Plejadisch-plejarische Kontakberichte)' Block 7, pages 320-379 where Billy's phrases/sentences are not numbered. Please also note this version is an inaccurate preliminary translation done using the DeepL online translator (as is noted: This is the entire contact report. It is an authorised but unofficial DeepL preliminary English translation and most probably contains errors. Please note that all errors and mistakes etc. will continuously be corrected, depending on the available time of the involved persons (as contracted with Billy/FIGU). Therefore, do not copy-paste and publish this version elsewhere, because any improvement and correction will occur HERE in this version! Hope this helps. | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 589 Registered: 11-2008 |
Norm, Which words did you not find when searching for them in contact report 251 on the FOM website? | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 07-2019 |
Hello Stefan, This is my exact source: https://www.figu.org/ch/book/export/html/165 I use the contact 251 version posted on the German FIGU site. Salome. Jacob | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1596 Registered: 04-2011 |
The "Official" Truth Thank you, Stefan. Very interesting how "published global truth" is partial to the ones that hold the power and thus becomes a function of governmental interests... It may well explain that the "people" have a much freer and healthier view of population control than "party bound" government "officials" and "research funded" academics... So it may well be that some UN personnel have read Billy's information but that they may make only use of it if it "toes the line", if it is in accord with the "official UN views". Ptaah: "... we were able to now clearly determine that also diverse people at the UN read your bulletins and special bulletins, which now has resulted in authoritative people taking seriously your warnings and our conversations in regard to climatic destruction ..." https://www.futureofmankind.info/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Special_Bulletin_033#Eastern_Wisdom (bottom of page) It seems that the "Might of Thoughts" has been well-known in our world but misused for personal gains - since ancient times. "... If a lie is only spoken of or printed often enough, it becomes a quasi-truth, and if such a 'truth' is repeated often enough, it becomes an article of belief, a dogma, and men will die for it..." This may explain the many unproven sectarian beliefs and make- belief politics of authoritarian regimes since ancient times. Nothing much has changed in human thinking - from the ostracizing of Themistocles (Athens' popular general who fought in the Battle of Marathon) to the propaganda and double standards of our time. Yes, “Wisdom may only be found in truth” (Goethe) but “In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” (G. Orwell) | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 258 Registered: 12-2016 |
Joe, Words in the English Paragraphs of 373-375 on FOM. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 259 Registered: 12-2016 |
Tat_tvam_asi, For clarification who are you quoting here? "... If a lie is only spoken of or printed often enough, it becomes a quasi-truth, and if such a 'truth' is repeated often enough, it becomes an article of belief, a dogma, and men will die for it..." | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 590 Registered: 11-2008 |
Tat_tvam_asi, I am not entirely sure what you are on about when you say "The Official Truth". To be clear; contact report 251 is correct. Unlike some stupid clowns here who are complaining by saying that it is either not accurate or not the same as the one on the FIGU website. The German original is the same as the original PDF that was given to me by Christian Frehner. Yes, obviously the English translations are not perfect, and therefore contain errors. Please keep in mind that this is a work-in-progress. But the DeepL preliminary English translations should provide the reader a fairly good idea of what is being said in German or Swiss-German. | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 07-2019 |
I never use translated versions of FIGU material, I use the German original and translate it sometimes with the help of DeepL into English when I publish things on this forum. Always combined with the German original. Overpopulation is a burden for us all to bear for centuries to come. The Earth population will be reduced several times quite extensively, but that will happen by means of disasters, pandemics, wars, etc. It is my estimate / assumption it will last for at least 800 years before anything logical will happen in this case. It’s mentioned several times in contact 251. https://www.figu.org/ch/book/export/html/165 188. Zwar werden sich die diesbezüglichen Geschehen auf und ab bewegen, so einmal ein Mehr und einmal ein Weniger sein wird, doch im grossen und ganzen steigert sich alles. Auch im Bezug auf die Überbevölkerung wird sich leider keine Änderung zum Guten ergeben, ganz im Gegenteil. English translation: Although the events in this regard will move up and down, so that once there will be more and sometimes less, but on the whole everything increases. Also in relation to the overpopulation unfortunately no change will arise to the good, quite on the contrary. The root cause of all evil is not overpopulation, it’s cult-religion causing overpopulation, especially the catholic cult-religion professing in bible in genesis 1:28 “Genesis 1:28 – Then god blessed them, and god said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” It’s clear as day, for the time cult-religions and sects exist, the problem of overpopulation will continue, because people enslaved by cult-religions will be subject to a consciousness-related disease which inhibits all logical reasoning. Unfortunately for us, this will remain so for several hundreds of years to come. 279. Ist die Erdenmenschheit heute schon im Banne von Religionen und Sekten, so wird sich dies auch noch für einige hundert Jahre so halten. English translation: 279. If mankind on earth is already under the spell of religions and sects today, it will remain so for several hundred years. Later on in contact 251, one can read that even when Earth human kind migrates for a large part to another world in a different solar system, they STILL have dealings with overpopulation. 311. Also wird dies aber auch die Zeit sein, da durch eine grosse Emigrationswelle sehr weit von der Erde entfernt in einem fremden Sonnensystem eine künstliche Welt besiedelt werden wird, weil die noch immer steigende Überbevölkerung des Erdplaneten noch immer unvernünftig ansteigt. English translation: 311. So this will also be the time when by a great emigration wave very far away from the earth in a foreign solar system an artificial world will be settled because the still rising overpopulation of the earth planet still increases unreasonably. Only much later on, when the Earth-Sirius bond is created, they overpopulation will be reduced by means proclaimed right now by Billy / FIGU. 343. Die Rückgängigmachung der einstigen Entartungs-Genmanipulation sowie die noch immer steigende Überbevölkerung, die erst recht ausgelöst wird durch die ungeheuer hohe Lebenserwartung der Menschen, werden zur Folge haben, dass die Noch-Nicht-Genmanipulierten auf der Erde und in allen Kolonien auf allen von Erdenmenschen bewohnten Welten und Raumstationen usw. zum Aussterben gebracht werden sollen, und zwar auf eine Art und Weise, wie dies urlange Zeit in der Vergangenheit von Verantwortungsbewussten bereits proklamiert und gefordert wurde, nämlich durch einen weltweiten Geburtenstopp in siebenjährigem Zyklus. English translation: 343. the reversal of the former degeneration-gene manipulation as well as the still rising overpopulation, which is triggered all the more by the tremendously high life expectancy of the people, will have the consequence that the not yet gene manipulated on earth and in all colonies on all worlds and space stations etc. inhabited by earth people. are to be brought to the extinction, namely in a way as this was already proclaimed and demanded by responsible people for a long time in the past, namely by a worldwide birth stop in seven-year cycle. When it comes to all of this, we are here: 254. Die Anfänge der Voraussagen jedenfalls werden auch heute lebende ältere Menschen noch erleben können. English translation: 254 In any case, the beginnings of the predictions can still be experienced by older people living today. (Contact 251 on February 3rd 1995) So for anyone on this FIGU forum, we will experience the predictions coming true (already happening with the corona pandemic and more things). Overpopulation is here to stay for a while, however this should not stop us from warning the people of this tremendous danger. The seed of change has to be planted now in order to bring forth the change needed in the future. Salome, Jacob “I know, that I know nothing.” | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 778 Registered: 02-2010 |
Jacob: Later on in contact 251, one can read that even when Earth human kind migrates for a large part to another world in a different solar system, they STILL have dealings with overpopulation. Ref the above, are you saying once Earth human kind migrates away from Earth, they'll still experience overpopulation on another planet? MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all) | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 779 Registered: 02-2010 |
For years, Tat_tvam_asi (Bill)you have been posting "confusing, rambling, incorporating other quotes within quotes" incorporating unproven articles, blah, blah, blah, therefore, I'm assuming, English is not your first language, because you make absolutely no sense. Are you attempting to "stretch" your point or your meanings or your conclusions or are you attempting to cover all sides of your opinion, in hopes of appearing"balanced" in your views????? MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all) | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 07-2019 |
Hi Msmichelle, It means that the overpopulation is still rampant on Earth at that time, and it's the reason why so many migrate to another planet. One has to read contact 251 very carefully, it means that in the future, the Earth human race will have multiple colonies, Mars will be one, and other planets in other solar systems. This will happen around the 22nd / 23rd century. I can support that as well, but it would be irrelevant to the discussion about overpopulation. "I know that I know nothing" Salome, Jacob | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1599 Registered: 04-2011 |
Joe and Michelle, My post was not about CR 251 at all. As indicated by the opening "Thank you, Stefan" my response was to Stefan's post about the UN: His post was headed with "Hi Bill, Fellows" so I responded to it. My take from it: What the UN reports as truth are unproven estimates. They are part and parcel of the world we live in, a world of make-belief as reflected in sectarian dogmas and a MSM which sell us a "quasi-official truth" - "like the make belief politics of authoritarian regimes. i As for your words, Michelle: Watch what you think, speak and do to others more carefully. Because what we think, speak and do to others, falls back on us, we only do it to our own selves. Bill As for the quote, Norm: I quoted Isa Blagden, who gave 19th century women a voice. She was educated in London but lived the last 23 years of her life in Florence. The quote is from her book "The Crown of a Life". | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 780 Registered: 02-2010 |
Bill, I watch my words very carefully and again, for years you have been rambling quotes together creating confusion. Your words hurt you because, it's always more important to make sense instead of attempting to seem to have more knowledge than others MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all) | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 967 Registered: 12-2011 |
Msmichelle post779. I do not have any problems with Bill,why does it upset you. joe | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1600 Registered: 04-2011 |
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/15903.html#POST84349 | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1601 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you, Joe. Salome, Bill | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 781 Registered: 02-2010 |
Welcome back Joe, I have no problem with Bill on a personal level. You ought to know that from experience with me. He quotes, and quotes, and quotes, like a "religious preacher" in order to justify his knowledge or his views. On this forum, we are having discussions, it is not necessary to quote anyone constantly which includes BEAM's quotes. Speak in your "own" voice instead of through "quotes" of other people. Allow others to do their "own" research and come to their "own" conclusions. I would love to read a sentence written exclusively by him MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all) | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 782 Registered: 02-2010 |
I'm wondering if the majority of the population are receiving warnings, nightmares via their dreams about overpopulation? I mean, eventually, this people will be destroyed and fall into the "abyss" as have been said, over and over in many of BEAMs books. Back in the early 2000 before discovering the Spiritual Teaching, I would have vivid dreams which would "awakening" me out of my sleep! I just do not understand how as a society, we cannot via our 7 senses realize the dangers we face MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all) | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 968 Registered: 12-2011 |
Msmichelle Strange because it sounds like you do,Rambling quotes etc. joe | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 783 Registered: 02-2010 |
Joe,  Let me be clear, I want to see his words, not cut and paste articles from other web sites MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all) | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 785 Registered: 02-2010 |
Bill, yes I would definitely buy your book, so have your written it yet?  MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all) |
