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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1272
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2021 - 01:48 pm: | 
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Hi Msmichelle,
If Earth humans do nothing or wait too long to change the orbit trajectory of 99942 Apophis, it will strike Earth, in my opinion.
Regards
Kenneth |
Rob_stewart
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2021
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2021 - 02:25 pm: |
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Hi MsMichelle,
I had a good look at the nasa and amateur data. With the calculations being out by 4 thousandth it is hard to tell. Apophhis will pass earth quite closely in March.
https://earthsky.org/space/asteroid-99942-apophis-encounters-2029-2036-2068
Hi Rob, perhaps you don't know this, but FIGU prefers links to FIGU sites only. Thank you and welcome to the FIGU Forum-Scott Moderator
I hate to say it but this might be our chance. Due to the time it takes to run a mission we have missed this opportunity. I recall Billy stating as much. On that basis there are two scenarios -
The next pass 13 April 2029 is watched like a show and the spectacular near miss is all the more exciting as 2036 should be further away.
Or the next pass is a clean hit.
Regardless there is really only one solution for us - to change the course of the rock. To do this for example this month we need a rocket up there with an explosive device timed to go off in such a way the orbit is safer. At 44 times the distance to the moon its a real mission.
2029 if we had a rocket and a device we could push it out 19 thousand miles is real close. But if it was on a direct path at this sort of range and speed the options are limited. Theres a good chance we end up with a radioactive rock hitting us.
So logically even in the near miss scenario governments would hesitate to gamble on this sort of mission.
For me 19,000 miles is nothing in space with 94.5 million miles radius. This is in a rounding error position. The safest way would have been a small push into a safer orbit this year. We could still achieve this but right now they are pretty sure it is going to miss.
Its a shame as I think people will feel betrayed they were not saved. We could save ourselves..
Salome}
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Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 261
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2021 - 02:48 pm: |
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Msmichelle
We are to be the chosen representatives of the P's when they leave!
We are all appointed Peace Keepers in their stead!
Mat
Bronzedesk
P.S. Stay safe in these times of peril
And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time.
~ T. S. Eliot
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Hugo
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Post Number: 996
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2021 - 03:16 pm: |
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Msmichelle,
As you are aware the Russians closely follow the Meier material, and with Apophis due to hit in their neck of the woods, I say they will definitely try to deflect it even if no other nation will help.
I often wondered why in the notes Billy and the P's said Russia in the future would do something good for the world but I cannot recall if it was about peace or something else. |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 796
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2021 - 07:06 pm: |
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Hugo, I agree, it will be up to Putin, if Apophis is deflected, yet, due to the size, he'll need help from other countries
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 797
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2021 - 07:13 pm: |
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Bronzedesk (Mat), I'm not comfortable with being "appointed as Peace Keepers" because personally IMO, we (the majority of population) are too far gone in our consciousness. The lack of reason will create total chaos just as what we're experiencing with the virus
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 798
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2021 - 07:19 pm: |
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Welcome to the jungle Rob Stewart
Personally, I can only hope behind the scenes, Apophis is the top of the discussion among Putin and other scientists, otherwise, it does not look good
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Rob_stewart
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2021
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 - 02:22 am: |
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Thanks Scott, I will remember in the future.
I actually want to thank the forum for the link to Harry Lear. When I read about PI I thought it would be something I could not check. Not being an expert. Turns out it is checkable and the relationship to the golden ratio makes it glow with the nature of the universe.
I spent a few days - stunned - haw can this be. Then I read through some maths papers and physics papers and realised we have never thought about PI. The hundreds of years old proof is seen as correct. I even recalled my teachers at school saying we can't check PI it is too complex and it has been mathematically proven very accurately. This is the smoking gun for me in psychological terms, society has these little scripts designed to help conformity. Even proving it with your own eyes won't help without breaking the script.
I hope another space power takes it on. However society has issues with challenging those in authority. Even another authority often avoids this. So even when the realisation that apophhis was not where it had been predicted - the resent rechecking of calculations is biased towards supporting the authority.
Salome |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1273
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 - 08:53 am: |
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Greeting Rob (Rob_stewart),
Welcome to the FIGU website. Yes, NASA will be painfully slow to recognize that Billy and the Plejaren are correct regarding 99942 Apophis, aka Red Meteor, aka (2004 MN4). It appears that researchers at NASA/JPL, Caltech, and Arecibo Observatory’s last preliminary update was done around 2012-2013.
You will find a wealth of honest and truthful information on all the various subject titles on the Discussionboard. Enjoy your studies, you have more stunning knowledge and understandings coming.
You will also find related truthful information on Michael Horns website Theyfly.com and Theyflyblog.com.
Salome
Kenneth |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1523
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 - 08:57 am: |
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regarding Apophis, the people sucking up all the bandwidth about this have an organization called Asteroid Day. I've tired - for years - to get them to stop partying and pay attention to the Meier material. See:
https://theyflyblog.com/2015/07/the-partys-overbut-apophis-is-still-coming-anyway/
I suggest that with the interest on the forum now, perhaps a number of people could approach them again and maybe they'll focus on doing something useful with all of of their media, political resources, etc. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1524
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 - 08:59 am: |
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Hugo, As I recall, in the Meier material it's said that out of Russia would come the hope for peace and spiritual development, eventually. |
Hush
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 12-2020
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 - 10:24 am: |
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Harry Lear's math proof requires a lot more work before it will ever be acknowledged by the academic community (PhD Mathematicians & PhD Scientists). They have basically ignored Harry Lear's work for over 3+ years because Harry doesn't have a valid math proof. Harry physically measures Pi from his round wooden disk using a tape measure and then incorporates this measured value for Pi as part of his math proof. Just to clarify, he is NOT deriving Pi, he is measuring Pi as part of his proof. This is fundamentally wrong. A valid math proof would properly demonstrate the theoretical value of Pi using only calculation and equations. Physically measuring Pi, which is what Harry is doing, is similar to what university students might do in a lab experiment, to verify theoretical equations. Harry is not verifying his Pi math equations because he's actually using his measured Pi as part of his math proof. Essentially Harry has NO EQUATIONS that legitimately prove his proposed value for Pi=3.144; he's using a measured value. He doesn't actually have a valid math proof Pi=3.144. In fact have yet to see anyone produce a valid math proof Pi=3.144. This is probably why Billy and/or the Plejaren have never endorsed Pi=3.144 in any Contact Report. Other folks seem to 'believe' Pi=3.144, but its definately not supported by Billy or the Plejaren, because if Pi really is equal 3.144, please, any body, show me the specific contact report reference where this is so? Anyone? |
Rob_stewart
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2021
| | Posted on Friday, March 12, 2021 - 08:37 am: |
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Hush, contact report 260 confirms that the Plejaren won't confirm the number. They have confirmed the number currently used is wrong.
Accurately measuring a circle seems a good place to start. The whole point is humanity on earth must start to take responsibility for development. So it would be counter productive to spoon feed us from the heavens.
Regarding the mathematical proof. The ratio PHI is well understood and its appearance in nature from growth patterns spirals etc. The proof is devised by basic algebra and replacing a with 1. So happy we can define this constant. Harry takes this known value and attempts to describe the circle in PHI. He does this by dividing the circumference by 8 and giving it a value of 1 in the context of a kelpler triangle.
The radius then looks to be equal to value of the square root of PHI in the context of 1/8 of the circle being 1. Harry tests this and it generates PI that matches the circle.
The established value of PI fundamentally does not match the circle. Not only that the proofs are not that convincing or for something else.
So I would disagree that the pure mathematical proof is not there. An expression of PI in terms of PHI is better than the derived cosine proof.
However people can decide - have a shot at calculating PI using little cosine triangles. If it fills you with confidence that you are describing the circumference of a circle. Go measure a circle.
Salome |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1274
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Friday, March 12, 2021 - 08:52 pm: |
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Some NASA scientists have developed, "Asteroid Eating Fungus and NASA's other new ideas for exploring space".
Good grief, nothing could go wrong with that idea!
Kenneth |
Rob_stewart
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 03-2021
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2021 - 03:31 am: |
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Hush, I want to apologise for the tone of my last comment. Some of this was frustration that the mathematical proof was not recognised.
The point you raised was valid that in order to change the view we must understand the view. This to me is obvious as a polygon is not a circle no matter how accurately you estimate it. The best comparison I can think of is the measurement of coastlines. This insanity lead to a national race to have more coast - entirely missing the point as most ships are bigger than the 20cm minimum and changes to the coast occur each year within the minimum. The point with regards mathematical PI is we are measuring something beyond its useful application by not realising the assumption has changed. I.e. the maths proof is not for a circle.
The next valid points that were raised is true PI in relation to our human development and Michael offering a link to a concerned asteroid group. I ran these together as they are both relevant to the point Hush made as well.
For humanity to not abuse true PI in the current climate requires it to be discovered not in competition but in collaboration. True PI will help to chart the curved force lines in all natural relationships. Its a big change to all standing data PI, Sin, tan etc. For this to be done in competitive fashion leads inexorably to weapons. I suspect this would be in probabilities that Billy and the Plejaren could estimate. So the discovery after the trouble as part of humanities fight to save itself from our dying sun- is most likely the best outcome or certainly the least terrible.
However the asteroid impact did have an uncertain probability. So our action on this does not require a confirmed hit. I also suspect that true PI will initially not be the only answer in charting celestial bodies. The void of space likely has currently unmeasured energy associated with it.
I come back therefore to the complexity of an mission to avert an asteroid. We need to build a vehicle, arm it, launch it, travel to the rock, detonate one or several explosions and divert the rock to a new safe path. This with current technologies is a number of years. So is this not challenge enough and even if science assumes apophis is missing. Would it hurt to have a vehicle and a plan ready?
What are the thoughts?
Salome |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1276
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2021 - 11:11 am: |
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Greetings Rob,
In my opinion with your post no. 4, you are correct in your statements; “…polygon is not a circle…”, “…not realising the assumption has changed…”, “…for humanity to not abuse true PI in the current climate requires it to be discovered …//…in collaboration.” “True PI will help to chart the curved force lines…”, “…a big change to all standing data PI, Sin, tan etc.”, “…competitive fashion leads inexorably to weapons.”
It comes into view that the Plejaren and other extraterrestrials cannot travel faster than the speed of light, journey from universe to universe, move between different dimensions, etc., unless the correct mathematical ratio of Pi is calculated into their travels.
Agreed, Harry Lear’s math proof on physically measuring Pi may need a little polishing on the presentation, nonetheless, his presentation objective is to be extremely basic for all to understand.
Statement “…a big change to all standing data Pi, Sin, tan etc.”:
If Creation operates on an extension of Pi (3.14460…) beyond our current understanding…; the old idiomatic expression, “you cannot fit a square peg into a round hole” would relate. Currently, old Pi of 3.141… is baked into everything including computer programs etc. Correcting this will be a massive undertaking.
As an abstract:
In the design vehicle tires, various toys, etc., etc., the use of old Pi 3.1415… would be good enough. In 1980 NASA stated, “…what caused the Pioneer anomaly?” In 1972 and 1973 Pioneer 10 and 11 respectively are powered by four plutonium-238 Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators (RTGs half-life is 87.7 years) to explore our solar system. Nonetheless, attention was focused on something specific, a 386,000 KM (239,849.28 miles) unexplained deviation for every 10,000,000,000 KM (~6,213,711,922.4 miles) traveled. Could this have something to do with Pi or the curved force of the egg-shaped universe or something still unknown?
We know that the Plejaren aid Earth scientists and others with impulses to improve on what is being developed. You, Hush and others have implied that Earth technologists and scientists understanding of the correct value of Pi would inevitably lead to weapons, this may be the very reason why the Plejaren are not pushing the correct values at this time?
Mr. Lear stated, from retrospect:
A simple measurement of Pi = 3.144... instead of 3.141..., one can use the value of Pi = 3.144... in a deductive math proof as a given and then use Kepler's Golden Ratio Right Triangle to prove Pi out to 88 quadrillion zillion digits. Recently, two German engineer/scientists "math proof", used a laser beam system to measure out to seven digits which were the same as Lear’s math proofs.
“And the beat goes on”
Kenneth |
Hush
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 12-2020
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2021 - 12:47 pm: |
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Kepler's Golden ratio applies strictly to straight-lines. No where, may it be inferred, Kepler's Golden ratio applies to curved surfaces, arcs, or circles in any way shape or form. Because Kepler's golden ratio only applies to straight-line segments, it may not be used to compute arcs, circles,spheres in any way shape or form (ie. pi) without a valid credible mathematical proof demonstrating the relationship of Keplar's Golden ratio to circles (simply doesn't exist).
The strategy of physically measuring to prove Pi=3.144 obviously has not worked has it, to capture the attention of a single PhD Mathematician or PhD Scientist since Harry demonstrated his math proof(?) 3+ years ago. Well, some PhD's have taken noticed based on comments posted on his Youtube channel, but only to criticize.
The proven method to capture the attention of PhD Mathematicians and PhD Scientists world-over would be to demonstrate Pi=3.144 using derived mathematical equations which means excluding all physical measurements of Pi from the proof. This is the only way to capture the interest of the academic community. Because of the information in the Contact Reports highlighting the error in Pi, and although Pi=3.144 is not specifically endorsed in the Contact Reports, was open to the possibility Pi=3.144. Thereby spent some time exploring via mathematics, if the proposed Pi=3.144 were possible. Started out by first computing traditional Pi, which had the opposite effect, only convincing more than ever, the current value of Pi=3.1415 is quite accurate, and reflects our current best scientific/math understandings. In fact, by going through the process of computing traditional Pi=3.1415, it becomes obvious Pi=3.144 is literally impossible. However, to be fair, looked at the proposed math proofs for Pi=3.144 however have yet to find a single one that is credible/dependable. This is a the same perspective shared of every scientist/mathematician in the world. So this is what you are up against when you tell an academic Pi=3.144 without any credible math proof.
Therefore as a cautionary note to the Figu like-minded community, anyone who is sincerely concerned about warning earth's scientists about the Apophis asteroid collision with earth, when approaching the academic and/or scientific community about this warning, refrain from promoting Pi=3.144 as part of that conversation, as this risks one's credibility sliding to the level of the flat-earth society members and thereby jeopardize any attempt to be taken seriously about the aphophis warning. All PhD mathematicians and PhD scientists know percisely how the current value of Pi=3.1415 is calculated and traditional Pi=3.1415 has an iron-clad strong mathematics foundation and they know this with absolute certainty that Pi cannot equal 3.144. As soon as anyone says Pi=3.144 without a corroborating supporting math proof (ie. that means not measuring Pi!) then your warnings about Aphosis and Pi=3.144 will both be lumped together into the nonsense category.
Just trying to warn folks (this community) that if truly hoping to adopt a successful strategy to warn academics about apophis, please do not in the same breath suggest Pi=3.144, as they will disavow your credibility and will stop listening to anything else you have to say. More success may be gained by sharing only the information published in the Contact Reports, about apophis, and at best, only suggest knowledge of an error in Pi, but uncertain what it is. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1277
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2021 - 04:00 pm: |
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Hello Hush,
Thanks for the response and your earnest suggestions. To be clear, no one is saying that Kepler's Golden ratio is anecdotal to curved surfaces, arcs, or circles. What Harry is alluding to in a lighthearted manner, if someone used Kepler's Golden ratio, “88 quadrillion zillion times”, one might get close to Pi of 3.14460…
Your suggested method to capture the attention of PhD Mathematicians and PhD Scientists would be to demonstrate Pi=3.144 using derived mathematical equations which means EXCLUDING ALL PHYSICAL MEASUREMENTS of Pi from the proof. You may have a valid point regarding the academic community.
This contention is of paramount importance and my understanding that according to the academic community (PhD Mathematicians & PhD Scientists), the number Pi is a mathematical constant. It is defined as the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter.
The primary argument in following the old traditional directions in the PHYSICAL WORLD of determining Pi, does not equal 3.1415… So, if this Pi calculation on paper, so to say, does not match the defined physical measurement, is this not problematic?
It is agreed that the current value of Pi=3.1415 is quite (= fairly) accurate, but it is not 100%. When you say that a PhD mathematicians and PhD scientists believe that the traditional Pi=3.1415 has an iron-clad strong mathematics foundation and they know this with absolute certainty… Is this statement not contradictory to scientists finding out the True value of Pi when determining the death of our Sun?
Also, to be clear, it is my understanding that the correct Pi calculation is only one of many factors involved in determining the true trajectory of Apophis.
Hush, help me understand why Pi on paper equates to Pi = 3.1415… but in the physical world it measures out to Pi = 3.1446…
Sincerely
Kenneth |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1619
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2021 - 12:22 am: |
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Hush ...
If you read the CRs you will find that Billy and the Plejaren have made it very clear, many times, that they do not "hail" our scientists or seek their "approval". In the contrary. Knowledge that comes with "pride" is not part of the Spirit Teaching. As Quetzal once said - it is much more important to be able to explain nature in simple words so that everyone can understand it.
And from this thought - in relation to Pi - if you use a polygon - no matter with how many corners you define it - it can only be an approximation of circle.
Secondly, while "I am mathematician" people may revel in their holy formulas, scientists usually use measurements to confirm their calculations. So, as a scientist (rather than a mathematician) one may question the method used by Harry to measure a circle's circumference but not the fact that he includes it as a part of his investigation.*)
One other point:
You seem to insist that it must be in the CRs that Pi is not 3.1415 ... Well, there is no doubt that Billy (in CR 251) explains that worlds' scientists will find a new value of Pi.
So - very clearly - according to Billy's information the present value of Pi is wrong. No matter if all the "PhD etc." think otherwise. We, the "Figu-minded community" have found too many times that Billy's information has been true and are not "cautioned" in our search to verify this truth. As for the why we do such: Because all the world's academic titles and their ridiculing of Billy have not helped to combat but spread the pandemic our world is in.
In view of this result who do you think should be cautioned?
Bill
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With a supercomputer it should be able to "virtually construct" and "virtually measure" a very large circle's circumference.
My layman's idea of "measuring proof" would be to first draw a large circle (radius say 100 km) and then fill it with with very fine radius lines of a certain, equal "thin-ness" (e.g., one billionth of a mm) until the whole circle is filled (until the following radius line overlays an existing fine radius line), then sum up the number of lines by their line thinness - and compare the value with the Pi value that has been obtained by formulas.
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Rob_stewart
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 03-2021
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2021 - 04:05 pm: |
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I hear you Hush the first barrier to the truth is belief. Scientists believe they are right.
Regarding the golden ratio it is also present in natural spirals. Vortex movement notably offers a combining effect. Some science on this for water movement, tornadoes and the penny slide  I expect by using correct PI it may well open up certain efficiency regarding this or similar effect. I looked quite extensively at it for wind and water generation.
I don't doubt the first thing done with any hint of multiplying force vectors would be a weapon or power for a weapon. I suspect science is not the saviour for the red meteor.
It might be worth it to a rich investor, if we had 10 days notice and one rocket available - how much would the world pay. What a horrible world we live in - cost benefit probably the investor builds a bunker...
I will keep thinking on it.
Salome |
Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 208
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2021 - 01:28 pm: |
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This morning I heard the news on the radio (New Zealand) that NASA has stated that Earth is no longer under threat from the asteroid in 2029 and 2036. This is great news, if you can believe it! Has the "red meteor" been nudged off course by friendly ETs? Has NASA miscalculated? Or is there a more devious reason?
Keep Well! Charles |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1623
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2021 - 01:54 pm: |
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"NASA" News:
NASA first considered Apophis as a danger hitting Earth in 2029 and again in 2036. It then ruled out any chance of Apophis hitting Earth during those two close encounters. Yet it still considered a potential collision in 2068.
But now, according to new telescope observations, this 2068 collision has as well been ruled out: Apophis is officially off NASA's asteroid “risk list” for "at least 100 years".
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1277
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2021 - 08:46 pm: |
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Kiwiseeker,
<sarcasm>, It is good to know that 99942 Apophis is no longer an issue.
Thanks for the information Kiwiseeker, just to be clear, my sneering remark was not directed at you or anyone on the Forum. If Billy or the Plejaren had made this statement, it would be a truthful fact as far as I am concerned.
NASA is a huge organization, it looks as if more than one individual is making these erroneous statements all over the board as Bill outlined. NASA employs more than 17,000 people and has undoubtedly done a lot of good, they are also involved in much ignorance, deceit, lies and misdirection up to the present. Personally, I do not trust them.
Certain levels within NASA read Billy’s material. We know for a fact that the Central Intelligence Agency does. NASA reports to the Executive Office of the President of the United States. In January of 2021 a new NASA Administrator was put in place by the Biden Administration, and now we are told that 99942 Apophis is not a threat. Well, in 8 years and 16 days the god of Chaos will be on our front doorstep. That is two U.S. presidents in the future from now.
Apophis the ancient Egyptian deity who embodied chaos, the opponent of light, order & truth appears as giant serpent.
Russia is apparently taking some kind of action.
Salome
Kenneth |
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