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    Matcha Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2021 |
Thank you for your beautiful words and reminders, Matt and Eddie. This is exactly my thinking too, Eddie. It is interesting to note that Billy commented to Quetzal on his terminology when he spoke of retribution, punishment, and vengeance saying that those comments were so unscientific to which Quetzal replied that they do not only speak in scientific terms but in, and here I paraphrase, human-related terms. We are ultimately human beings who need to behave as responsible and goodly human beings to each other in a personal form expressing always our best humanity. This is something our scientists are often apt to forget or find difficult to include in their daily work of calculations, math, logistics, and figures. To me, one thing he is doing here is reminding them and all of us to always act humanely for the good benefit of all life and humanity on Earth. We must never lose sight of our humanity. As Matt reminds; all is life and living. Ultimately, all is in our personal care here on Earth. We need to constantly remind ourselves of this, our human duty. Chris Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1827 Registered: 04-2011 |
Very true, Chris. Every human being has an inner sense of worth, of importance and dignity. If we do not respect that we lose this person forever. But when we express our love and esteem, we "build this person up" and it, too, will love and esteem its fellow-man, . Yes, scientists are sometimes so self-conceited that they lose sight of their fellow-humans. And though their (and all our human) knowledge/expertise is/can only be very limited "... they want to know everything better than nature" (Billy in CR 779). And though they may know some of creation's laws they fail to see the oneness of all creation. That everything is connected, has its own individual raison d'être but is as well a part of a whole which in turn is a part of an even larger whole. Because there is a childlike wonderment when one starts to discover that all these "macro- and micro-cosms", that they have similar patterns/characteristics. That knowing the modus vivendi of the smaller entity will make you wonder where a similar pattern / characteristic in the larger entity would be. It is so surprising that no curriculum, no teacher ever tells student-scientists to first reflect on the word "universe" (uni-versus = 'turned into one') and to then make them ponder who *) may have created such a word, what could have been his thinking, what knowledge would have motivated him to create this 'compound'-word? I say so because Petale is telling us that all existence "came out of and will return to one single form". And because anyone who lives with this (Petale) wisdom, i.e., the awareness, that he and everything that exists is a part of 'one single entity', will have an enlightened, "body-less" sense of "consciousness only" and an observer's sense of esteem, beauty and love for all Creation. And because - this sentiment, should it not be the basis of all (scientific and other human) activities? Salome, Bill *) It was not an ancient ancestor expressing the "knowledge" of the Stone Age | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1429 Registered: 08-2010 |
If I were to venture a gamble, I would bet that it is the CEO and the board of directors that are behind the unethical and immoral deeds behind the vaccines and not necessarily the virologists who are mere employees and really have no say in the company. And like the aerospace industry, usually, the aerospace company owns the inventions and products developed by their scientists, even though the scientists are well rewarded and compensated for their ideas and developments. So the pharmaceutical company owns the vaccines and not the virologists, etc. who develop them. Kenneth can perhaps enlighten us best in this regard. It is no different with the Apophis. The issues and alarms are more to do with politicians mistrusting each other than aerospace industry scientists not wanting to collaborate. Keep in mind, while we were at odds with Russia, NASA astronauts were flying to the international space station aboard Russian rockets. So apparently, it's not so much the scientists as it is the politicians that are the problem; In my estimation. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1829 Registered: 04-2011 |
Re. "Scientists" ... They are, of course, not all self-conceited. But is it not frightening to see our world's virologists handling of Covid-19? Their push for vaccinations without mentioning the vaccines' side effects, their prescription of measures that cause the virus to spread (no lockdowns when necessary, allowing (vaccinated to) travel without quarantining) more freely (US: > 1 million new infections in 1 day) and then blaming the unvaccinated for the viral spread. If we add to this the worries of families with school-children in city (high-density) areas (schools with 3000 + students), the many families and elderly that are ripped of any protection due to the seemingly preprogrammed infection of their (grand)children who, if infected, would infect the whole family. When we see this happening worldwide then one cannot but wish that protecting the dignity of human life should be all scientists' very first priority. Bill (Message edited by scott on January 04, 2022) | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1831 Registered: 04-2011 |
Very true observation, Eddy. Many scientists, (e.g., Covid-19 virologists), may not speak what they really know is true because they are working for a certain company or a certain government and one would imagine that - similar to a lawyer stressing only the arguments that assist his client - their "findings" are (only those that are) in line with who they work for. But there is as well the "Don't tell me because I know" type, as Ptaah tells us in CR 776: www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_776 My English translation which may contain errors "It is so strange that on Earth, the so-called “ones who have knowledge”, the very scientists, are unteachable." German Original Es ist so seltsam, dass die sogenannten ‹Wissenden›, eben die Wissenschaftler, auf der Erde unbelehrbar sind. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1396 Registered: 04-2013 |
Greetings Eddie & All, Regarding your post 1429, “…the CEO and the board of directors that are behind the unethical and immoral deeds behind the vaccines and not necessarily the virologists who are mere employees…” You are 100 per cent correct. The same goes for all aerospace companies that I am aware of including NASA as it relates to the scientists plotting the course of the 99942 Apophis asteroid. One of the brilliant scientists that I worked with in the aerospace industry was Al Gross who created several communications products such as the Walkie-Talkie, Citizens’ Band radio, telephone beeper/pager and cordless telephone to name a few. The companies that he worked for owned the patents and made hundreds of millions of dollars. Nonetheless, Al was well compensated. All businesses operate in the same manner to my knowledge. As you pointed out, Russia, American and other nations astronauts work together in the International Space Station (ISS) with a collaborative scientific perspective. The issue with the USA and the EU (European Union) concerns with Russia is all politics. In my opinion the political arena (like a virus) has too much influence over the scientific community, which stalls proper decision making for diverting the Apophis asteroid. The political faction of the Military Industrial Complex is not involved in the scientific experiments abord the ISS. Therefore, you are also correct when stating that, “…it's not so much the scientists as it is the politicians that are the problem…” Kind regards Kenneth | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1431 Registered: 08-2010 |
Thank you Kenneth, Salome - Eddie Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Hush Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2020 |
Many in the FIGU community have been falsely lead astray by Harry Lear's misguided proof that Pi=3.144. Anyone within the FIGU community who promotes Pi=3.144 without adequate 'mathematical' proof not only jeopardizes their credibility but also the FIGU mission because Pi=3.144 has never been endorsed by Billy. If he has, show me where? So if Billy has never endorsed Pi=3.144, no one else should either; that's common sense. Everyone affiliated with this community should be familiar with CR 154 which clearly states the error in Pi will be discovered by our brilliant future scientists while working frantically to save our dying sun. Our sun isn't dying anytime soon so we know the error in Pi will not be discovered for a very very long time. Anyone within the FIGU community who proposes the correct value of Pi has been solved is DIRECTLY contracting the information in CR 154, and further demonstrates a lack of consideration for the validity of the information of the CR's. Harry Lear's proof Pi=3.144 hinges upon physically measuring a 1.000 m diameter birch wood disk cut out by a CNC (Computer "Numerical" Control) machine, however the process first involves drawing the disk in Computer Aided Manufacturing (CAM) software. That is, the CNC machine cuts the object while the CAM software is used to first design and model the object in 3D for cutting by the CNC machine. Once the object has been drawn in the CAM software, the modeled object is exported as a computer numerical model typically as a ".gcode" file, which is then loaded into the CNC machine. At this point the CNC machine has the data generated by the CAM software to cutout the object. The CNC machine reads the numerical model generated by the CAM software and cuts out the circular object, in this case a 1.000 m diameter birch wood disk, very precisely following the numerical code generated by the CAM software. Please realize all CAM software on earth used to model circles and arc is based upon a default value of Pi=3.14159. The CAM software algorithms calculate the precise circle and arc control points using the standard Pi=3.14159. Harry Lear's CNC 1.000 m diameter birch wood disk cutout pattern originated from numerical CAM modelling software based on a standard value for Pi=3.14159. To then propose the circumference of the birch wood disk, when physically measured, is 3.144 m (ie. Pi=3.144) when the CNC machine cut-out the disk originally using a standard value for Pi=3.14159 is nonsensical, lacks logic and reason. Using a 1.000 m disk cutout by a CNC machine to prove Pi=3.144 is a terribly bad idea for the above reasons. Further, measuring Pi fails to meet academic standard' as a valid proof. To date not a single valid math proof has demonstrated Pi=3.144. Understandably it would be pretty cool if someone today was able to solve the true value for Pi because we know from CR 154 there is an error however mankind is simply not smart enough to have solved the mystery so its about time everyone accepted this fact. Re-read CR 154 because its our future brilliant scientists who finally solve the puzzle and that ain't happening anytime soon. It is unfortunate folks within this community continue to promote Pi=3.144 particularly without an adequate mathematical proof. Billy has never indicated the correct value for Pi=3.144 and therefore, as far as anyone in this community is concerned, its value should remain unknown until, at such time, Billy chooses to share this knowledge. | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 982 Registered: 12-2011 |
Hush It all sounds very involved your process, how do you really know after all that whether he did not solve it. Lets hope that when Apophis comes close that you are right and Lear is wrong. joe | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1413 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hush, All of this information has been wholly covered in the past. You keep talking about a subject that has already been discussed, in other words, you’re beating a dead horse! Have no desire of bantering with you. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1569 Registered: 07-2009 |
Hush, Your comment caused a tangential thought to arise. It does appear that you agree with Meier's info that Pi is in need of correcting and that, one day, this will occur. So, what efforts would you make in terms of the Apophis question? Now, I'm not a mathematician yet I'm wondering if you agree with Harry Lear and others who share concerns that, without the rectified Pi, an attempt to successfully deflect Apophis, using a nuclear shock wave, would likely fail. Also, if you do agree that the current Pi is incorrect, what other serious problems do you think this may cause in our near future? | ||
Stefan_z2 Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 12-2014 |
If not too late, Scott, you might want to delete my previous post. Following Ptaah’s statements in contact 712 from 2018, none of the calculation attempts has so far matched the precise value and it will not be feasible to achieve this for quite some time to come, due to lacking mathematical and technological means. Thanks, Stefan | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 940 Registered: 07-2006 |
Regarding: Important information about the circular ratio Pi! Please see the article written by Christian Frehner at: https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Periodicals/FIGUSignoftheTimes/2017/No077/ImportantInformationfortheCircleNumberPI-sec.pdf Hope this helps, PatM | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1864 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hush, Your statement "Our sun isn't dying anytime soon ..." is wrong. That our sun was dying was known (5) millions of years ago (6). It is true that western scientists may wonder about sun spots etc. but they either have not 'found out yet' (2) or they may not tell (3). Chinese scientists - they may - perhaps - read Billy's CRs and know that they are a treasure trove of knowledge and know about Billy's predictions in CR 251 about future scientists creating artificial suns (4). Bill (1) www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251 (2) Google for Why NASA Keeps a Close Eye on the Sun's Irradiance (3) Google for “NASA Solar system Exploration SUN” Nasa mentions a few movies (2007: “Sunshine” and 2019: “The Wandering Earth” ) in which the sun is dying but assures us “... scientists don’t expect this to happen for another 5 billion years or so”. (4) Google for China's $1 trillion 'artificial sun' fusion reactor just got five times hotter than the sun (5) This is what Billy tells us in CR 251: Even then, the well-meaning [Sirian overlords who helped the gene-manipulated humans escape to Mars and Earth] knew that the human beings brought here could not remain in this solar system forever, but would one day have to migrate again, because the sun of this remote system was a star that was already dying and had been chosen for this very reason, because the Sirius intelligences and the producer rulers who had become willing to kill did not suspect that the territory of a dying sun would be chosen for repopulation for the 'degenerate' and 'God-workers', as they were called by the producer rulers. " (6) We can conclude that the escape from Sirius was more than 16 million years ago: “Planet KUDRA was discovered by an expedition fleet from Lasan when it left the Lyra systems approximately 16 million years ago to conduct its research and search for human life on the other side of the Milky Way” www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Attacking_questions_from_Japan (Message edited by scott on February 05, 2022) | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1865 Registered: 04-2011 |
Add On Re: "Dying Sun" article Discussion about Chinese scientists creating artificial Sun and CR 251:266 http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/16244.html#POST85658 | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2726 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks Pat for the link I've read this article by Christian before but it felt like I've never read it before. I've noticed a slight anomaly that confirms these words by Ptaah. Ptaah: Ptaah: Sehr erstaunlich, diese Berechnung, doch noch ist der Zeitpunkt viel zu früh, um darüber nähere und genauere Aussagen machen zu dürfen. Page 6 This calculation is very amazing, but the time is still much too early in order to be allowed to make more detailed and more exact statements about that. This means Harry and Guido's calculation is still not perfect or exact. There is a detail within the calculation that I have calculated that is causing the value of Guido's to be different from the one done by Billy. Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2727 Registered: 07-2005 |
Related to my previous post 2725 the value of my calculation for the Pi turned out to be.. 3.1446052801 compared to Guido's 3.144605512 Matt lee | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1417 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Matt, (Newinitiation), Wow, if you can calculate Pi to 3.144605…, that’s very impressive. The main key factor as I see it is the difference between 3.141… and 3.144… at present time. However, when Ptaah said, “…the time is still much too early in order to be allowed to make more detailed and more exact STATEMENTS about that,” does not mean that Harry Lear’s and Guido's calculation is still not perfect or exact, this would be an assumption. IMO Ptaah may be referred to the use of the correct Pi of 3.144… which will open many currently unknown scientific discoveries including the reaching or traveling near the speed of light, among other things which Earthlings are not ready for at this time in our evolution. Kenneth | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2728 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Kenneth You are right Kenneth its only my assumption but time will tell of course. 3.144 is enough to go by to get a better calculation and more accurate trajectory of Apophis for example. When it flies through the keyhole in 2029 I hope that our specialists do get it because they will keep calculating with the traditional value of pi 3.1416 and keep getting it wrong. Matt lee | ||
Matcha Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 02-2021 |
Hush, Judging by the comments here, you are probably feeling a bit alone on this topic. FIGU Landesgruppe Canada has just put online the video "All about Pi." I encourage everyone here to look at this video, especially those of us on the Apophis A team. It makes some very important points. Notably, how the length of a polygon outside a circle can not possibly be longer than the circumference of a circle, which it would have to be for Pi to be 3.1446... If you read Christian's pdf above there is nothing in it which says that 3.1446... is exactly right. In fact, Ptaah says the time is not here to give a more accurate calculation. The video also shows how attempts to convince scientists that they should use 3.144 to calculate the Apophis impact will backfire and only alienate them from us. Instead of just going along with what one has previously concluded, we should all be doing our own calculations and working this out and thinking it out for ourselves. Here is the link to the Canada Landesgruppe Pi video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3KmE1I2yQM Its message is clear, obvious and straight forward and easy to follow. I will not further discuss this with anyone who has not watched and followed, meaning understood, the FIGU Canada video. If Moderators will not allow the link, you can find it on my FB home page under Chris Lock. Chris Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures. | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 853 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Chris and all It is really nice that ca.figu presented the “All About Pi” video. Christian and Harry Lear triggered my interest in actually measuring the circumference of a cycle in finding Pi. Together with my friend, we performed an experiment :- 1. Produced a 15mm thick aluminum disk of 0.5 meter diameter 2. This was done with a Hi-Tech high precision CNC milling machine 3. A professional high precision equipment was used to ensure the accuracy of diameter all around the disk. 4. We measured the circumference of the disk with a precision “Pi Tape” specially ordered from the USA. It was quite disappointing to us that the result we obtained indicating Pi is close to 3.141.. not the 3.144 as expected and claimed by Harry Lear. Salome Savio http://billybooks.org | ||
Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 730 Registered: 04-2011 |
The Real Pi is in the Real Pyramid dimensions among other thangs, our mates have given us the REAL Pyramid dimensions. Maths is not my thing, BUT I am Sure to certain figu folk it is. With True Pi and other concepts comes free energy, i think that involves linking atoms in orbit with a black hole. What do the call it? (When atoms are linked.) It dosnt take a big amount of atoms to fuel a planet in this way, the atoms are held in an electromagnetic chamber. Its safe if its done in orbit. If anyone discovers The Real Pi equation name it The Figu Pi Equation Please. The Answer Is In The Pyramid Dimensions, you equate Pi from The Pyramid Dimensions. From a circle around the Giza Pyramid or The Meditation Pyramid.... Thats what i reckon, but it could involve the height as well i need to improve on maths, it could involve The Kings Chamber or other chambers. Salome ilovebilly Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them. | ||
Matcha Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 02-2021 |
That's interesting, Savio. What is a "Pi tape"? Chris Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures. |
