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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1466
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2022 - 08:55 am: | 
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IMO the FIGU Landesgruppe Canada video "All about Pi" has statements that are correct and others that are incorrect.
For what it is worth, Lumping the Apophis Team (A-Team) into the Flat-Earthers is rather harsh…
A few statements on the video:
“…You have to derive Pi from equations…”
We live in a physical three dimensional world, FIGU Landesgrupe is saying that Pi must be figured out with equations only on a two dimensional platform. This does not make sense.
“Measuring Pi using a physical measurement is not acceptable…”
We live in a physical world; this statement seems rather delusional.
“…You have to devise mathematical equations to prove Pi…”
Pretty much saying the same thing using different wording.
“Numbers of the tape are on the outside of a circular disk, causing error…”
This statement is based on Harry Lear’s physical measurement of a 1-meter diameter disk perimeter. The circumference is measured by reading the physical tape on the INSIDE, not the outside of the tape.
As I recall from Harry Lear’s statement when he visited the Semjase Silver Star Center, why would Christian Frehner tell Harry to keep up the good work regarding his work with the Pi information.
For what it is worth, on foamboard utilizing a calibrated Pi Tape from PI TAPE, I have personally calculated a 1-meter diameter circle employing a beam compass, then using a beam wheel cutter I removed a 1-meter foamboard circle. Using the same Pi tape, the circumstance measured exactly 3.1446…
In an article titled: Important information about the circular-ratio Pi! By Christian Frehner. From FIGU sign of the Times No. 077 (Sep 2017) pages 7-10.
“…Specifically, the circular ratio Pi means that for a circle of 1 meter in diameter its circumference amounts to 3.1415… meters, which is however unfortunately incorrect, because this value is wrong! – But there is good news: The correct circular ratio, namely 3.1446… has meanwhile been determined and its correctness proven, and actually by Harry E. Lear from Idaho/USA…”
Please see the article written by Christian Frehner at: https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Periodicals/FIGUSignoftheTimes/2017/No077/ImportantInformationfortheCircleNumberPI-sec.pdf
Salome
Kenneth |
Savio
Senior Member
Post Number: 854
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2022 - 07:34 pm: |
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Hi Chris
Pi Tape Texas, LLC, the original manufacturer of Pi Tape ...
World Leader.. ..in specialized precision measuring tape solutions for unique applications.
They produce various kind of measuring tapes, each with accuracy certification.
We bought from them the “Precision Outside Circumference Tape”
(Standard Circumference tapes have an accuracy of ± .2mm)
Salome
Savio
http://billybooks.org
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Hush
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Post Number: 14
Registered: 12-2020
| | Posted on Friday, May 20, 2022 - 02:00 pm: |
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Hello Savio, although measuring Pi is no 'proof' of its value, loved reading your post (May 19, 2022) describing the flawless method you used to physically measure P=3.141m on a 1m diameter aluminum precision cut disk. The message tone was surprisingly "disappointment" yet your efforts should be praised for having devised a clever enough approach to minimize the margin of error when physically measuring Pi. Your initiative should be celebrated as a success where others have failed. |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 181
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Friday, May 20, 2022 - 04:58 pm: |
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Kenneth,
What do you know about the researcher that calls himself, Jain 108 and has a website called jain108.com? He, too, presents evidence that the true value of pi is 3.144...
Here are some incredible statements he makes on his website that he claims are facts:
"NASA admitted that when the original Mooncraft landing occurred, the targeted spot was missed by about 20km?
What could have been wrong with the Calculations?
NASA subsequently adjusted their traditional mathematical value for Pi (3.141592…) by increasing it in the 3rd decimal by .003!
Also, an ex-Engineer from NASA, “Smokey” admitted (via email) that when he was making metal cylinders for this same Mooncraft, finished parts just did not fit perfectly, so an adjusted value for Pi was also implemented. At the time, he thought nothing about it, but after reading an internet article called The True Value of Pi, by Jain 108, he made contact."
If these comments have any validity, they have profound implications regarding Apophis. If NASA has already noticed that the adjusted pi value works better in real-life applications of calculating Mooncraft landings, it would not be much of a leap to suggest that they have also used it to project the trajectory of Apophis near Earth and are keeping quiet about it.
In the website article titled, "True Value of Pi = 3.144" which also appeared in Nexus Magazine, June 2014, Jain 108 mentions Billy Meier several times and quotes from Contact Report 251, referencing back to The Future of Mankind site. Curiously, he does not identify which mission he is referring to as "the original Mooncraft landing." Presumably, he is not referring to Apollo 11 though. If he is familiar with the Meier material he would also know that was not the first.
Bob |
Matcha
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Post Number: 56
Registered: 02-2021
| | Posted on Friday, May 20, 2022 - 08:03 pm: |
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Hello Kenneth, Bob, Savio, Hush, Matt and all,
I first read all the Jain 108 material a few years ago and found it fascinating and intriguing, just as I did Harry Lear's work. I do not recall now but there's an ancient traditional math connected to Jain108 in India using this figure that is, like so much Indian math, also fascinating and intriguing and seems to express some truths yet unknown or unrecognised in the West. The Indian math scholar of recent renown, whose name escapes me, comes to mind.
I respect and admire all these people for publishing their research and results, including Harry Lear, of course, who has led me to question so much about Pi.
Unfortunately, neither source for Pi being 3.1446... explains where in the math or its geometrical calculations 3.1416... is wrong. And if it is wrong, it will clearly be able to be shown through its geometrical calculations where it is wrong. No one has ever done this.
This dilemma has cost me many sleep-shortened nights over the past years; it has been impossible for me to come to any satisfactory conclusion regarding the two calculations, although they are really one calculation and one demonstration as I see it.
For me, the issue is that the 3.1416... calculation is geometrically proved correct and not proven incorrect either mathematically or geometrically and no one has ever shown a flaw in the calculation, if it exists. Further, a scientific demonstration must be repeatable endless times with the same absolute result to constitute proof. Unfortunately, we do not have this with the 3.1446... method.
Still, something has always nagged at me that maybe this is somehow correct but study it as I might, I just cannot see or follow the presented 3.1446... calculations (not the cutting demo) despite studying them again and again. Maybe I and the world's scientists are just dumb? Seriously.
I have wondered in the past whether there could be two values for Pi a geometrical one and a practical one, but that doesn't make sense. It's the specific ratio between the circumference of a circle and the circle's diameter. It can only have one value.
I do not see the Canadian video as equating the A Team with flat Earthers but rather, that just accepting a one or two off experiment as a proof that negates a known geometric proof as being similar to the simple flat earth acceptance based on one or two theories lacking critical analysis of the existing proof as fact.
I also have deep respect for Christian and his most valuable work in assisting Billy and the mission, but nowhere does he mention that Ptaah or Billy specifically state that 3.1446... is the correct calculation. Ptaah was clearly surprised at Guido's calculation but refused to be specific and saying words to the effect that there is yet more to this.
It is thus clear to me that we need to keep looking into this to get to the bottom of it.
Some CR wording suggests that the true value of Pi may be discovered soon and others, or another, further into the future. Perhaps there's some slight mistranslation there into the English? If 3.1446... is correct, then has not the true value already been discovered and therefore not to be discovered in the future? Does that add up to everyone? If it is correct, why cannot Ptaah just say that we have, or Harry has, now worked it out?
I wonder if Billy would care to ask Ptaah about the Canadian video, which since it comes from FIGU and may have set the cat among the pigeons, might seem to call for a Plejaren comment.
Anyway, thank you everyone for your feedback.
The sleep deprived nights continue :-)
Chris
Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures.
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1466
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Friday, May 20, 2022 - 08:46 pm: |
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Hi Bob,
Interesting that you bring this up. I know of Jain but do not know him personally. He talks about the Mathematics of Nature, like the Fibonacci Numbers and says that these are the gems that our forebears have left us, to share Ancient Knowledge… In my opinion Jain know much more than what he can acknowledge publicly.
It is my understanding that Jain teaches ancient knowledge as well in his workshops titled “The Universal Formula For Life”’ and the “Lost Secrets of the Phi Code”.
Jain also talks about the consciousness of the planet Earth. Not many folks truly understand the meaning of that statement, other than the FIGU folks.
He has or is doing research is on the True Value of Pi which is 3.144… infinite and based on the “square root of Phi”. He also states that this is a highly controversial subject. Yes, in my opinion, this can be directly related to the Apophis asteroid.
Interestingly he was born in Sydney Australia, but his parents were Lebanese and Phoenician which descended from a group of ancient Semitic-speaking peoples that emerged in the eastern Mediterranean around the third millennium BCE. As you know, this is the part of the world where considerable ancient historical events took place, and where many scientists today do not understand the significance. In my opinion, Jain’s previous incarnation/s is not one of the original Earth developed humans.
Many of Jain’s geometric designs remind me of Billy’s book, “Symbols of the Spiritual Teaching”. He has also modelled the Italian mathematician Fibonacci’s (aka Leonardo Pisano Bigollo) in sequencing that sums to 108, now known as sri 108.
He says that he cannot belong to any religious organization or cult, as each religion, whether it is Buddhist, Moslem, Christian, Hindu, etc., gets lost in dogma, false eliteness, ego and spiritual limitations.
Getting back to the Apophis asteroid; about a year or two ago I listened to a NASA engineer that stated, deep space rockets and satellites destined for Mars, the Moon and other universal bodies, are always off by approximately 1-percent on their programmed trajectories, which always have to be tweaked, he did not know why. The correct Pi of 3.1446… will become a critical issue if Apophis misses Earth on Friday the 13th of April, 2029. as the Red Meteor will then orbit the Sun and strike Earth 7-years later, if it is not deflected.
In my opinion, NASA is well aware of the Pi error. To properly correct this is monumental as the incorrect Pi of 3.1415 is baked into everything. If NASA, the science community, computer manufactures etc., etc., started today to correct this issue, it will take decades or more to rectify.
Regarding SpaceX, when they were having issues with returning the first stage of the rockets back to their launch pads and the ocean platform, the Apophis Team (Harry Lear) sent a physical package to Elon Musk with all kinds of information detailing the correct Pi of 3.1446… I cannot prove that Elon read this information, but Shortly afterwards SpaceX corrected these landing issues.
I contacted Harry Lear, he said the following about Janis:
Hi Ken,
“Yes I have spoken with Jain several times over the last 7 or so years. He's from Australia and wanted a Greek individual (math/airplane engineer) named Stefanides, himself, and me to band together and travel around the globe pushing the value of Pi = 3.144... Jain's math proof for Pi is somewhat questionable and he calls it a "Lollipop 'Something' Proof". Mathematicians are not interested in ...//...his Lollipop Proof writings…”
Thanks for the interesting information about NASA engineer “Smokey”, I did not know him. Regarding Apollo 11, some acquired premature trips to the beyond in order to keep that mission a secret.
Kind regards
Kenneth |
Savio
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Post Number: 855
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2022 - 06:53 am: |
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Hi Chris, Hush, Kenneth and All,
While finding the value of Pi is an interesting task, my friend Ken and I plan to share more details concerning our experiment performed in 2019.
We are open to all questions and ideas to help improving our result.
Salome
Savio
http://billybooks.org
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1467
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2022 - 09:31 am: |
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Chris (Matcha),
You stated, “Ptaah was clearly surprised at Guido's calculation but refused to be specific and saying words to the effect that there is yet more to this.”
Your logical approach and understanding is much appreciated, you have valid questions. It is my understanding that when the correct value of Pi is understood and accepted, great advances will be made in many areas of science and other endeavors including faster than light travel, an energy source other than oil products, etc., etc.
The Plejaren know us Earthlings better than we know ourselves. That being said, the current Earthling mentality will weaponize anything to gain advantage over other people and nations. We Earthlings need to become wiser in understanding Creational laws and everything that involves. If we do not, the God of Chaos (99942 Apophis) will have to last say.
Kenneth |
Hush
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 12-2020
| | Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2022 - 09:38 am: |
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Hello Savio,
Thank you for offering to share how you successfully measured the correct value for Pi=3.141. Your well thought out methodology reflects an important discovery in procedure and when followed, should allow others to replicate and physically verify the mathematical proof Pi=3.14159. There are numerous challenges trying to accurately measure Pi using a small 1m diameter disk which you seem to have circumvented, one of which includes the tape thickness which slightly overestimates true Pi and flipping the tape upside-down, with the numbers facing the inside diameter, is of no consequence. When used properly a tape measure does not stretch like an elastic therefore a tape measure with a numbered scale on both sides (top and bottom), will read the exact same circumference measurement when wrapped around a circular object, again because the tape doesn’t stretch, and the circumference distance measured reflects the larger outside diameter which includes the diameter of the object plus twice the tape-thickness. |
Norms
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Post Number: 94
Registered: 12-2019
| | Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2022 - 11:01 pm: |
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@Kenneth,
Re: "...about a year or two ago I listened to a NASA engineer that stated, deep space rockets and satellites destined for Mars, the Moon and other universal bodies, are always off by approximately 1-percent on their programmed trajectories, which always have to be tweaked, he did not know why."
James McCanney has a paper known as the "3-part comet paper" titled "THE NATURE AND ORIGIN OF COMETS AND THE EVOLUTION OF CELESTIAL BODIES" and can be found in the Appendix to his book "PLANET-X COMETS & EARTH CHANGES" freely available on the web.
In that paper he describes his Plasma Discharge Comet Model (PCDM) where all the planets, asteroids, comets, satellites, probes, etc., discharge the solar capacitor.
Space is not electrically neutral as we are told as there is the solar wind containing both protons and electrons and as with any current flow there is a corresponding electromagnetic field.
There is also a return current sheet that appears sometime during fall that is responsible for the wild weather.
So comets, asteroids, probes in the plane of the planets that have not attained circular orbits around the Sun are constantly buffeted by these plasma fields especially when a comet enters the inner solar system and starts discharging the solar capacitor with an electron beam from the Sun but also when there is a planetary alignment and the object comes under the influence of the increased plasma flows and electromagnetic forces.
For the calculation for the correct value of pi, my feeling is there needs to be an indirect approach that is similar to that discovered by McCanney opening the door to the prime number problem for which he continues to gain insight after writing three books on the subject. |
Savio
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Post Number: 856
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2022 - 01:34 am: |
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Hi Hush
Thank you for your kind encouragement and ideas.
In fact, we did not find the real value of Pi, but just find out that Pi is close to 3.141 rather than 3.144.
We are of the idea that the “Pi Tape” is designed, calibrated and to read when facing outside, so it should be reliable to perform the measurement with the tape facing outside.
On the other hand, if our idea is wrong, then the measured value will be bigger than actual, it would suggest that the actual value should be smaller than our reading, and getting further away from 3.144.
Salome
Savio
http://billybooks.org
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Hush
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 12-2020
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2022 - 10:27 am: |
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Savio, thank you, I stand corrected, you did not find the 'exact' value for Pi=3.141, because as Ptaah clearly says, mankind currently is unable to find the 'exact' value for Pi at this time; not scientists, not mathematicians, nor "know it alls" however you have successfully replicated a physical measurement of mankind's current best estimate of Pi=3.141 which is close to true Pi and we know from the CRs that the error in Pi is 'very small' so we know Pi=3.141 is extremely close to true Pi whereas Pi=3.1446 would reflect too large of an error.
Measuring any circular object with a tape will 'always' result in some degree of overestimating the object's true circumference because the distance physically measured will always add two times the tape thickness to the diameter of the object. There is no getting around this unless the tape is calibrated and its scale altered to account for the induced tape-thickness error. However a tape may only be calibrated for one specific diameter sized object. If the measured object has a different diameter than used to calibrate the tape, the measured circumference would no longer be precisely accurate. Albeit the difference is minor however when attempting to accurately physically measure a small 1m diameter object, these, and other factors become significant. |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 182
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2022 - 10:44 am: |
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Chris (Matcha): "...but nowhere does he mention that Ptaah or Billy specifically state that 3.1446... is the correct calculation. Ptaah was clearly surprised at Guido's calculation but refused to be specific and saying words to the effect that there is yet more to this."
The confirmation on record by FIGU that it is correct appears on page 481 in the FIGU book, Diversikum. In contact 260, where the conversation that Chris is referring to occurred, Billy hands to Ptaah, a calculation for pi = 3.1446... that is composed and handwritten by Guido Moosburger. Billy asks Ptaah if the calculation is correct. FIGU is on record as clarifying that Ptaah's response to the question is to be interpreted as an affirmative confirmation. This clarification occurs on page 481 of Diversikum.
Excerpt from page 481 of Diversikum:
It was then that Core Group 49-Member Guido Moosbrugger, who was the first to correctly calculate the Pi number as can be seen from the following excerpt of conversation from February 3, 1998 on the occasion of the 260th contact (Plejaran Contact Reports Pleiadian, Block 7, page 483 ff.), whereby the answer on the part of Ptaah is to be accordingly interpreted positively and would have been different if the result had been wrong.
Es war dann das <kerngruppe> -Mitglied Guido Moosbrugger, der als erster die korrekte Pi-Zahl berechnete, wie aus folgendem Gesprächsauszug vom 3. Februar 1998 anlässlich des 260. Kontakts (<plejadischplejarische>, Block 7, Seite 483 ff.) hervorgeht, wobei die Antwort seitens Ptaah entsprechend positiv zu interpretieren ist und bei einem vorliegenden falschen Ergebnis anders ausgefallen wäre. Wie aus Guidos handschriftlich verfasster Bereehnung hervorgeht, basiert diese auf den vorgängig genannten, ursprünglichen Massen der Cheops-Pyramide:
Billy: That's what we thought. -Here I have a calculation for the circle number Pi. The whole thing is Guido's work, as you can probably tell from the handwriting. The question now is whether the calculations are accurate and therefore correct.
Das dachten wir uns eben. -Hier habe ich nun eine Berechnung für die Kreiszahl Pi. Guidos Werk ist das Ganze, wie du ja sicher schon an der Handschrift ersiehst. Die Frage ist nun die, ob die Berechnungen stimmen und also zutreffend sind.
Ptaah: This calculation is very astonishing, but it is still much too early to be able to make any more detailed and precise statements about it.
Sehr erstaunlich, diese Berechnung, doch noch ist der Zeitpunkt viel zu früh, urn darüber nähere und genauere Aussagen machen zu dürfen.
Billy: We feared this answer, but we wanted to try it.
Diese Antwort haben wir schon befürchtet, doch wir wollten es eben versuchen.
Ptaah: Of course, I understand, but I really must stand by my statement. If I went into more detail, I would have to violate our directives, but we do not do that.
Natürlich, ich verstehe, doch muss ich wirklich bei meiner Aussage bleiben. Ginge ich näher darauf ein, dann müsste ich gegen unsere Direktiven verstossen; solches aber tun wir nicht.
 
Bob |
Hush
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 12-2020
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2022 - 07:06 pm: |
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Hello Phi_spiral,
In his book "Diversikum", Guido apparently shares an opinion that Ptaah endorsed his calculation for Pi =3.14460 but where is the cross-reference to a CR or to any of Billy’s writings that support the statement? You see Billy is the only person on Earth trusted by the Plejaren to share “new” information about Pi or on any other subject to mankind.
The Contact Reports thus far, make it perfectly clear Pi=3.14460 is not endorsed, the error in Pi will be found when our Sun is dying by Earth's brilliant future scientists, specialized equipment is required to find the error in Pi not yet invented, and for the foreseeable future no scientists, no mathematician nor "Know-It-All" will find the error in Pi anytime soon, and further the current value for Pi is reasonably accurate (ie. the error is 'small').
Because Guido merely expressed an opinion, the statement has been trusted without question without Billy’s confirmation as fact, and the more accurate and authentic information about Pi already documented by Billy in the CRs is somewhat abandoned it seems, unfortunately. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1468
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2022 - 07:42 pm: |
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Hush,
With all respect, you said.” because as Ptaah clearly says, mankind currently is unable to find the 'exact' value for Pi at this time;…”.
To my knowledge, Ptaah did not say, “mankind currently is unable to find the exact value for Pi at this time”. This is how truthful statements get distorted. You may be embellishing the statement. However, Plejaren statements must be exact, unless you say the statement is from recollection, etc..
Kenneth |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 182
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2022 - 10:11 pm: |
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Hello Hush,
The excerpt from the book, Diversikum that I posted in #182, is from a four page article, Wichtige Information zur Kreiszahl Pi! (Important information about the circle number Pi!) that was written by Christian Frehner and not Guido, which is why Guido is referred to in the third person. So it is not Guido's 'opinion' that is being expressed. Several other people from the Core Group contributed articles to the book as well as Billy himself.
As the article states in the excerpt that I provided, Guido Moosbrugger, was the first to correctly calculate the Pi number, and Christian goes on to state that Harry Lear was the second with illustrations of Lear's sketches and calculations appearing in the book.
It is explained at the beginning of Diversikum that Guido worked closely in collaboration with Billy as to what was to go into the book and that editing was done by both Billy and Ptaah. In other words, if Billy and/or Ptaah did not concur with the information or if they did not think that any of it was not true, then they would have edited it out. The copyright at the beginning of the book says it is by Guido Moosburger and FIGU. The book represents FIGU and it represents what Billy wants to put forth as truth.
'Officially', Ptaah did not confirm it, that is true, for the reasons given that it is premature. This has already been explained. There are many 'things' that both Billy and the Plejaren contacts may not talk about publicly in the contact notes. The omission of an 'official' confirmation does not make it 'untrue'.
In a similar way, do not think about Billy's prophecies concerning pi that appear in the contact notes as being chiseled in stone. They are not. Prophecies can be changed as Billy repeatedly reminds us.
Bob |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1469
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2022 - 08:41 am: |
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Greetings Bob,
Regarding your Post Number's 182. I was not aware of some of that information. Thank you for providing these truthful facts.
Salome
Kenneth |
Hush
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 12-2020
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2022 - 09:33 am: |
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Wish you folks who continue to "believe" and promote Pi=3.14460 all the best, good luck, you'll need it! C'est la Vie. |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 184
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 - 07:46 am: |
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Chris: "...but study it as I might, I just cannot see or follow the presented 3.1446... calculations (not the cutting demo) despite studying them again and again. Maybe I and the world's scientists are just dumb? Seriously.
I think the politically correct word is 'pi-challenged'.
But seriously...
I am reminded of the discussion between Billy and Semjase in Contact 128 where she refers to Earth calculation forms as "primitive" and other forms used elsewhere in the universe that are more advanced and the much more advanced cosmic calculation forms.
Excerpt from Contact 128:
Billy:...already several times, I have presented you results that I calculated by means of mathematical forms other than those of Earth. I can very well make all sorts of calculations with these cosmic calculation forms and only thereby can I find the right results, but afterwards, I can then no longer remember, even with the best intention, how I actually calculated them.
Semjase:
32. The rule is this: that each human life form is supposed to be informed about the fact that these cosmic calculation forms exist, but the human being may not be instructed in these because he/she must achieve these forms solely through his/her own evolution.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_128
Bob |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1472
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 - 08:51 am: |
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In a communication exchange with one of the scientists on the Apophis Team that also teaches young scientists, he said the following:
(It can be assumed that such phenomena play a part in core and topology electric charge building and magnetic domains activated in a beamship hull by cymatics and phonons and associated currents).
Resonating at fractions of pi Hz lambda = 3,144/1000 units of perimeter “range” approaching ultrasonically the third decimal resolution would probably result in resonance in a “Lear Sphere”, but not in a standard kilogram sphere based on old pi.
Conclusion: wrong pi does not allow for resonant technologies
Regards Christer |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 185
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 - 10:49 am: |
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To add to my previous post, and what I also meant to say, perhaps what is needed for Earth scientists to finally and officially and correctly calculate the pi value is a different form of calculation, i.e., the cosmic calculation forms that Billy and Semjase discuss in Contact 128
Semjase:
27. ...cannot be found simply through primitive mathematical calculations but solely through calculation forms that are still unknown to the human beings of Earth up to now ...
Billy: I have presented you results that I calculated by means of mathematical forms other than those of Earth. I can very well make all sorts of calculations with these cosmic calculation forms and only thereby can find the right results...
Semjase:
32. The rule is this: that each human life form is supposed to be informed about the fact that these cosmic calculation forms exist, but the human being may not be instructed in these because he/she must achieve these forms solely through his/her own evolution.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_128
Bob |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1473
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 - 01:05 pm: |
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Hi Chris, et al,
You are far from being just dumb. I like Bob’s narrative of 'pi-challenged'. The polite Pi debate of critical thinking was needed. I thank everyone that participated in this discussion.
Salome
Kenneth |
Savio
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Post Number: 857
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 - 02:27 am: |
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Dear all
This is the procedures and findings of our experiment performed in 2019.
Ken and I did our best in performing an experiment with the most accurate equipment available to us.
Purpose: Through physical measurement of the circumference and diameter of a circular disk to get a touch on the value of Pi, see if it is close to 3.141 or 3.144.
Experiment Finding: Our physical measurement experiment resulted that “Circumference to Diameter ratio of a 0.5M circular disk is close to 3.141 rather than 3.144”.
Procedures and details:
1. 15mm thick aluminum sheet is used for more stable and less changes in dimension against temperature changes.
2. A 0.5M (500mm) diameter circular disk is cut out from the aluminum sheet with a CNC milling machine.
3. Production and measurement environment: Temperature ~29C and humidity ~70%
4. Production and measurement are supervised by Professional Engineers
5. Circular Disk Production: OKUMA MB-56VA CNC Milling Machine with an accuracy of 0.005mm
6. Circular Disk Diameter Measurement: HEXAGON Global Performance 07.10.07 Coordinate Measuring Machine with an accuracy of 0.003mm
7. Diameter measurements are performed on the resulting disk at 50 different angular positions, proving that it is a nice circular disk with an average diameter of 500.0037mm.
8. Hence the performance of both the milling machine and the measuring equipment resonate with each other, there should be no doubt regarding the dimension accuracy of the 0.5M diameter circular disk.
9. The resulting aluminum disk has a 0.5M diameter where no general ruler and/or measuring tape is qualified to verify the diameter dimension.
10. In fact, there is also no high precision circumference measuring equipment available within our reach, hence we have to use precision measuring tapes.
11. If Pi = 3.1416, then the measured circumference will be 3.1416M / 2 = 1.5708M
12. If Pi = 3.144, then the measured circumference will be 3.144M / 2 = 1.572M
13. We measured the circumference with two different tapes, NSCING from China (accuracy not stated) and PI TAPE from USA (accuracy ± 0.2mm) .
14. Tape readings are taken facing outside as designed by the tape manufacturers.
15. NSCING Circumference Measuring Tape resulted: 1.5702M (calculated circumference is 3.1404M)
16. PI TAPE Circumference Measuring Tape resulted: 1.5709M (calculated circumference is 3.1418M)
17. In performing physical measurements, all our tapes are facing outside as designed, it is logical to think that the measured dimension could be a bit bigger than actual.
18. As our measurement results have shown that the calculated circumference is in the range of 3.1404 and 3.1418, and it could be already bigger than actual, hence there should be no way getting close to 3.144.
Conclusion: It is understandable that it is not possible to obtain an accurate Pi figure via tape measurement, however, we can get a good impression against the case, our experiment result indicated that “Circumference to Diameter ratio of a 0.5M circular disk is close to 3.141 rather than 3.144”.
We performed the experiment in 2019, as the result we got was not as expected (3.144), we kept the result to ourselves and continued to find what could be wrong with our experiment until ca.figu presents their “All About Pi” video.
My thanks go to Ken and his team, they made the valuable equipment, time, engineering technique and workmanship available.
All ideas for improving the accuracy of our experiment are welcome.
Salome
Savio
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