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Author Message Savio Senior Member Post Number: 858 Registered: 07-2000 Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2022 - 12:31 am:        A picture is worth a thousand words. The OKUMA Milling Machine at work: The HEXAGON Coordinate Measuring Machine at work: The PI TAPE we use for circumference measurement: The reading of PI TAPE http://billybooks.org Norms Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 12-2019 Posted on Friday, May 27, 2022 - 07:03 pm:        The "All About Pi" - Video presentation has a problem as it has to use the current value of pi for the trig functions to estimate the sides of the polygon from which the circumference is estimated to then get an estimate for pi which no doubt will converge to the current value for pi. If a different value for pi was used, then the pi estimate would converge to the value of pi used in the estimate. Matcha Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 02-2021 Posted on Friday, May 27, 2022 - 11:21 pm:        Hi Norms, You are misreading the calculations there. They do not use the current values of pi to get the trig functions. They use only the basic trig of common polygons inside and outside the circle to cancel out the areas under and outside the curve which results in the value of the circumference, which de facto results in the value of Pi. Pi is merely the final result. It is neither used nor crops up before then. Chris Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures. Norms Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 12-2019 Posted on Friday, May 27, 2022 - 11:52 pm:        Look for "How To Make Pi" by Andrew Oliver that discuses 4 methods, with code, that do not use Pi as an input nor any Trig functions. There is even a place to download a multi-threaded program called y-cruncher, for Windows or Linux, to estimate Pi. Norms Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 12-2019 Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2022 - 10:26 am:        @Matcha, If look at the 13:28 mark in the "All About Pi" video, see at the bottom on the right: "Trigonometry allows us to calculate the inner and outer perimeters (Archimedes did this with geometric methods." On the left side, there is an example employing what appears to be sin 30°. and tan 30°. The 30°in the trig functions is misleading as in reality, the inputs for the trig functions are always in radians. This is not so clear in the sin 30° example but clear in the tan 30° example. PI rad = 180°. So for example if Theta=45°, then Pi rad * 45/180 = 0.7853981634 rad (45*PI/180) which would be used as an input for the trig functions to estimate the side of the polygon. If Theta=30°, 30°*PI/180° would give 0.5235987756 rad for the input to tan 30°. In other words would do tan(0.5235987756) not tan(30°). So PI is being used as an input in the method to estimate PI. Matcha Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 02-2021 Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2022 - 07:32 pm:        Thanks, Norms, Maybe we are going to get there. I get the inkling that I saw this some time ago and forgot all about it. However, see below. With reference to Kenneth's kind comments, it's probably best you consider me a thicko in your explanation. It's always best to explain as though one is talking to a three year old. Einstein always asked people to talk to him slowly when talking math so that he could follow, and I am certainly no Einstein. Trig calculations do not have to be in radians: They are the ones commonly and assumed used, but degrees only can also be used and these do not use pi. So I do not see how the radian argument stands. Bob, thanks for your two posts. Much appreciated. I am exceptionally busy just now checking and proof reading about 45 university group student academic papers on time travel, so please excuse me if I cannot respond quickly. I will try later to post here a two-page letter I sent to Billy and Christian a few years ago about pi, phi, and cosmological mathematics, notably the number 152955347... because the coefficient appears to relate to various cosmic matters like flying through hyperspace as well as our (would-be should-be) correct incarnation coefficient. Unfortunately, Billy had no comments on it at the time. He might not have been well then, but again don't recall exactly. I think it might be useful for future studies to have this paper on record here. I might have posted it a few years back when I wrote it, but again don't recall doing so. Chris Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures. Matcha Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 02-2021 Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2022 - 08:38 pm:        Dear All, I cannot seem to attach a pdf here so am posting the whole 152955347 paper as the letter I sent Billy, to which he gave no reply: Number 152955347 Dear Billy and Christian, I have a question, with four yes / no answers. First, about the number/coefficient 152955347 or 153 and its relationship to au, pi (Figu Bulletin # 077, CR 246) and 4/Phi2 (Phi is the Golden Ratio). I am no mathematician, but I would be very grateful for any possible answers that might sort coincidence from correlation. The CRs cite two different distances for the present correct au (astronomical unit): The first distance is 149,597,870 km in CR 228 v123 -125 (1 May 1989) and the second is 152,955,347 km in CR 246 Block 7 p189 (19 June 1993) reprinted in Figu Bulletin # 077 (Sept. 2017 p 7-10, and CRs 248, 251, 260). Taking first, CR 228 of 1 May 1989: When talking about wandering planets and the two different belts on the other side of Pluto, Quetzal tells Billy in v 123 – 125 that au is 149,597,870 km (also our scientists' measure, which Quetzal was presumably merely citing). 123: The first belt -- a zone -- is located up to more than 150,000 astronomical units from the sun. 124: An astronomical unit thereby corresponds to the mean distance from the sun to the Earth, thus 149,597,870 kilometers. 125: At an earlier time, when the Giza Pyramids were built, this distance, however, still amounted to 152,500,000 kilometres, a number which is also of enormous significance regarding the calculation of the entire universe's 280 elements. Taking second, CR 246 of 19 June 1993 from Figu Bulletin # 077: Billy says Earth's au is 152,955,347 km (Giza Pyramid original height coefficient) before relating it directly to the 299,792.48012 km/sec speed of light, which = 152.955347 (Giza Pyramid height in meters) x 280 (total elements in the universe) x 7. Billy: …Well, the terrestrial scientists claim that the Great Giza Pyramid originally had a height of 146.6 meters, which, however, according to my calculation and your statements, does not correspond to the truth. The original height actually amounted to 152.955347 meters, which, renamed into kilometres, also corresponds precisely to the distance Earth-Sun and thus hence to one au, one astronomical unit. A fact which contradicts the inaccurate specification of Earth-Sun distance by the terrestrial-astronomical science…. Yes/No Question 1: Of these two au distances, presumably 152,995,347 km is the right and corrected Earth-Sun au, and the "more than 150,000" au for the first belt in v 123, more accurately 152,955 au? The coefficient 152, or 1.52 au, appears in some CRs. In CR 345 v 19 – 23, Ptaah says the three peaceful white, green, and blue human races live on a 1.48 au planet, and its nearby 1.51 au planet has primaeval animal and plant life. I seem to recall the Plejaren home Erra is 1.52 au. Mars is 1.52 au, as was Malona, which was where Mars is now before becoming the asteroid belt (We Came From the Stars, And Then From Mars pdf). The Earth is precisely one au or 152,955,347 km, and our scientists now say the habitable zone is 0.99 - 1.7 au, with a mean au of 1.34. CR au figures here range from 1.00 (Earth) -- 1.52 au giving a mean of 1.26, which is within 1% of &#8730; Phi which is 1.27, making root Phi a possible au mean for the habitable zone where life arises, and human life-supporting physical matter emerges. CR examples, however, are too few to assume a universal mean au. Billy informed us that 1.52 x the years lived = the years to the next incarnation on both Erra and Earth, given proper populations. This 1.52 lifespan relates to au, but Earth is only 1.00 au, so, unless I err, I wonder why the reincarnation coefficient for Erra and Earth is the same 1.52 when their au differ by about 30%. Yes/No Question 2: Is the full reincarnation coefficient 1.52955347, and why is it the same for Earth and Erra? Further, in CR 4, Semjase informs Billy that to use tachyon drive to enter hyperspace, they must be 153 million km from the nearest planet to avoid pulling that planet and other material along with them into hyperspace. Any accompanying materials could cause immense harm at the journey's end as they eject out of hyperspace into space. This 153 million km is almost precisely 152.955347 million km. Interestingly, Semjase told us this safe distance when she need not have. Of course, it could be for safety's sake when we venture into deep space and hyperspace realms, but that is unlikely for 800 years, after which we meet them again, and they could inform us. Perhaps it hints at some near future use of 152955347. Yes/No Question 3: Is the safe distance precisely 152.955347 million km which rounded up to 153 million km provides a small safety factor? The original Great Giza Pyramid height coefficient 152955347 evinces a broad utility: 1.52955347 au, and reincarnation period; 152.955347 original Pyramid height in meters, and safe distance for tachyon drive in millions of km; and 152,955,347 light speed and the total number of elements coefficient. Even more correlations to time, energy, space travel, time travel, element and planet formation, and the emergence of human life or human life-supporting physical matter seem likely. Perhaps, then, it also correlates to the Golden Ratio Phi, root Phi, or pi. Phi, root Phi, and pi, are 1.6180339…, 1.2720196…, and pi 3.1446055… (or 3.14159…). Billy informs us that 3.1446055… pi is key to our future sciences, hyperspace travel, and time travel. Meanwhile, researchers of pi show 3.1446055…= pi = 4/rootPhi and their pyramid height is &#8730; Phi. I am no math or pi expert, but very curiously, I notice 4/Phi2 = 1.52786404… which correlates 99.9% to 1.52955347….. Given pi = 4/rootPhi = 3.1446055, perhaps 4/Phi2 is also a key and relates to 152955347…. Alternatively, with the CRs' 1.26 mean au falling within 1% of root Phi perhaps root Phi relates to 152955347… Pi squared = 9.8696044… which squared = 97.40909101… On a more creational level, in CR 238 v 659-660, Billy asks Ptaah how long it took for the first solid material to come into existence. Ptaah replied, “Approximately 1,500,000,000,000 years.” Perhaps this "approximately" is more exactly 1,529,553,470,000, and recalling that the first belt of material on the other side of Pluto is "located up to more than 150,000" au, perhaps it too is more exactly 152,955 au (2,955 au "more than 150,000"). Earlier, in CR 119 v 16, Billy astonishes the Plejaren with his Creation calculations, saying, "…a creation hour amounts to 90 trillion and 720 billion years, and a minute amounts to 1 trillion and 512 billion years, and a second is accordingly 60 times less?" These close correlations to 151 might suggest a coefficient within the 150 – 153 range as a creational number. As shown, this is very close to 4/Phi2, which is 152. Further, in CR 119, v 40 Billy gives a precise figure for the universe's expansion: "…the universe only expands during 155,519,999,999,980 years…." This base 155 again approximates 153 (<1.5% difference), but perhaps given the preciseness of the 155…, this similarity is a mere coincidence. Yes/No Question 4: Do any of these: the 1.5 trillion, or the 1 trillion and 512 billion, or the 155 trillion relate to coefficient 152955347…? Finally, Main Question: Can you say more on the significance of 152955347…, and does it relate or equate to root Phi, 4/Phi2, pi, a universal ratio, gravity, or the emergence of life, matter or elements? Thank you so much for all you do, Billy, and, of course, for giving your time to look at this, if you can. Please take care, and be in full health soon. Salome, Chris Lock Actually, I owe Billy and Christian an apology because it is four questions, and the main question and the second ones are not merely Y/N answers. I should have made that clear. The square root sign could not be posted here. I hope I entered all those correctly. Must rush to home and uni business now. Thanks to everyone for your input and replies. Chris Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures. Norms Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 12-2019 Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2022 - 06:05 am:        @Matcha, Correct there are expansions for the trig functions and pi. For the trig functions the expansions use radian inputs. For pi, the inputs use integers n=0 to infinity. Look for "10 Ways to Compute Trigonometry Functions without Trig Functions" by Mary Jane Sterling. Matcha Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 02-2021 Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2022 - 07:17 am:        Dear All, I once again, owe you all, and especially Billy and Christian an apology. Billy \ I {did} give a couple of brief answers to my questions on the coefficient 152955347.... I found them in a July 2018 email, which was a summary that a few people asked for at the time containing the short answers I received from Billy. It was embarrassing today to read in a CR Billy mentioning how people often repeat questions to him because they do not concentrate on the replies given so they do not remember them! It occurs to me that these might be better posted in the Creation thread, or maybe there as well as here. Admin. please feel free to do as you see fit. Here are his brief replies in the summary of the Q&A on 152955347...: A summary of the astronomical (and Creational?) number 152955347… Q&A to Billy Meier 1. On au (astronomical unit): Presumably, in CR 228 v 123-125, Quetzal was giving Billy our scientists’ figure for our au. Alternatively, they accepted this as the accurate figure. Billy pointed out to them, however, in CR 246 that the accurate figure for our au is 152,955,347 km which is 1.0 au. 2. The au and mean au figures: Earth’s au is 1.0. So therefore, Erra has an au of just about 1.0. An au of one, interestingly, is 152,955,347 km, which makes me wonder if kilometres were a Plejaren impulse induced development on earth. I am including the paragraph on the au and mean au figures so anyone interested in researching pi can see if there is any relevance here with root Phi which is within 1% of the mean of all the CR au mentioned in the letter. In CR 345 v 19 – 23, Ptaah says the three peaceful white, green, and blue human races live on a 1.48 au planet, and its nearby 1.51 au planet has primaeval animal and plant life. Mars is 1.52 au, as was Malona, which was where Mars is now before becoming the asteroid belt (We Came From the Stars, And Then From Mars pdf). Our scientists now say the habitable zone is 0.99 - 1.7 au, with a mean au of 1.34. CR au figures here range from 1.00 (Earth) -- 1.52 au giving a mean of 1.26, which is within 1% of root Phi which is 1.27, making root Phi a possible au mean for the habitable zone where life arises, and human life-supporting physical matter emerges. CR examples, however, are too few to assume a universal mean au. Reincarnation coefficient: While we cannot be more precise with the reincarnation coefficient of 1.52, it is curious how the number correlates very closely with 1.52955347. Perhaps this is a universal coefficient, but it is difficult for the figure to come out so precisely in an organic universe. It makes me wonder whether a mathematic harmony is going on here at an underlying level. 3. The 153 million km safe distance from planets and material when entering hyperspace tachyon drive mentioned in CR 4 could plausibly be my suspected 152,599,347 km with a small plus for a safety factor, according to Billy. Alternatively, Semjase could just have been rounding up the figure. 4. Creational times: Billy “does not know” whether there is a correlation between coefficient 152955347 and the Creational times of one minute being 1.512 trillion years, and a Creation hour being 60 times greater and a Creation second 60 times less. If they do correlate, it may be significant that 4/Phi2 is 152. Billy also “does not know” whether the 1.5 trillion years that Ptaah gave for the first solid material to come into existence, and also whether the “more than 150,000” au for the first material belt on the other side of Pluto mentioned in CR 228 v 123, relate to 152955347. NB. Pi researchers: Given that pi = 4/&#8730;Phi = 3.144605511029693144… it may be significant that 4/Phi2 = 1.52786404…, which correlates 99.9% to 1.52955347…. Note also that the CRs’ 1.26 mean au falls within 1% of root Phi . Finally, a few PhD mathematicians and scientists are busy shovelling egg on their faces as they try to delegitimize Phi as a ratio/coefficient. It is interesting to note that they are failing magnificently. You can gain some education together with entertainment at www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-myth/. Enjoy! PS. Added today 29 May 2022: Regarding the reincarnation coefficient 1.52: Billy has said elsewhere that it relates to the distance of the planet from the sun, which in our case is 152,955,347 km. So I think it might well be worth considering whether the rebirth coefficient is more precisely 1.52955347..., which curiously, is closer to 1.53 than 1.52, although 1.52 is right to two decimal places; and the difference is minimal and not working presently with our overpopulation. Just something perhaps to think about. Chris Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures. Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 199 Registered: 04-2020 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - 07:53 pm:        How to Watch NASA Crash a Spaceship Into an Asteroid: In a first-of-its-kind mission, NASA is planning to crash a spacecraft into an asteroid on September 26 (Earth time), and you’ll be able to stream it live. The mission called the Double Asteroid Redirection Test, or DART, is meant to change the asteroid Dimorphos’ orbit by about 1%. Dimorphos is not on a collision course with Earth, but if the 520-foot space-rock were headed towards us, we’d be in bad shape, so NASA is using it as a test case for diverting a future killer asteroid (Apophis). The spacecraft-smashing-into-a-space-rock is happening about seven million miles from Earth, but NASA sent a camera-bearing craft out there to capture all the action. The space agency plans to stream the mission’s climax to the official NASA website, Facebook page, Twitter feed, and YouTube channel. The DART mission began nearly a year ago, and the climactic crash landing will happen on September 26 at 7:14 p.m. ET. The live coverage of the event begins at 6 p.m. ET. No one is really sure whether the spacecraft’s momentum will be enough to divert the asteroid, but the scientific data NASA gathers might help in the future. Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 202 Registered: 04-2020 Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2022 - 09:53 pm:        Smashing success: NASA asteroid strike results in big nudge The mission was considered a success today (Tuesday, Oct. 11) after scientists said DART's intentional collision with the asteroid, Dimorphos, shifted its' orbit. The Dart spacecraft carved a crater into the asteroid Dimorphos on Sept. 26, hurling debris out into space and creating a cometlike trail of dust and rubble stretching several thousand miles (kilometers). It took days of telescope observations from Chile and South Africa to determine how much the impact altered the path of the 525-foot (160-meter) asteroid around its companion, a much bigger space rock. This sequence of photos are images captured by the Webb and Hubble telescopes show the aftermath of NASA's Double Asteroid Redirection Test. Kenneth Member Post Number: 1505 Registered: 04-2013 Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2022 - 12:25 pm:        Hi Bob, (Phi_spiral), Et al, Yes, this was a very impressive undertaking. Not to pop anyone’s bubble, I forwarded this information to the Apophis Team to see if their impression was the same as mine regarding autonomous maneuvers. -------------- “Greetings A-team, I watched the DART mission from start to finish. What caught my attention, it appeared that NASA engineers were continually tweaking the trajectory of the DART vehicle. Near the end of the mission at 1:13:24 on the NASA live video, on the lower right section of the screen (live DART cam) a flag popped up saying, "Stop Maneuvering". Impact was at 1:16:31. Could this continual maneuvering to stay on target be due to NASA's wrong Pi calculations? Regards Ken” -------------- Yes, Ken, that's exactly what they are doing. Just like for the moon landings, they are manually adjusting their target landings because they are using the wrong value of Pi. DART is a joke. NASA needs to use the correct value of Pi so they can accurately calculate the circumference (i.e., orbit) of Earth and Apophis. Anybody can manually land a rocket on a big rock. What we want is to find the circumference orbits of Apophis and Earth to find out whether their orbits intersect. If their orbits do intersect, then we need to set up a program years ahead of time to move Apophis off its current course. Thanks Ken. Harry Lear -------------- Nonetheless, in my opinion, the DART mission was a tremendous waste of capital and resources. 99942 Apophis will not be moved significantly with a bump from a satellite. According to the Plejaren, as previously discussed, it will take an atomic or nuclear blast near 99942. Currently Apophis is 6 years, 6 months and 6 days away from possible impact on Friday, 13 April 2029. Is it already too late? Kenneth Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 202 Registered: 04-2020 Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2022 - 05:09 pm:        Hi Kenneth I understand and agree with everything you have said. Nonetheless, if we can steer a rocket to hit an asteroid that small, we should be able to steer a weaponized rocket with nuclear capacity to directly hit or come close enough to a much larger asteroid even without using the correct pi value. And that's good information to know. Because that's what it may actually come down to. Regards Bob Kenneth Member Post Number: 1505 Registered: 04-2013 Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2022 - 06:25 pm:        Greetings Bob, You bring up a good point as far as intersecting the Apophis asteroid, I agree. Per NASA, the DART project cost $324.5 million. Planning, acquiring funds, building the satellite and the delivery vehicle etc., started in 2015, 6-years ago. NASA continually says that, “Apophis SHOULD pass at a nominal distance of 19,662 miles (31,643 km) from the Earth's surface,” as of 2022. Closer than the distance of geosynchronous satellites. For reference the geosynchronous satellites are 22,236 miles (35,786 kilometers) above Earth. The International Space Station orbits Earth at an average altitude of approximately 250 miles. Apophis takes 323.6 days to orbit the sun, or 10.6 months. On every revolution this asteroid slightly changes orbit characteristics every time it passes between Earth and Venus. My whole point is that by the time NASA determines that Apophis will strike Earth, we will be out of time. Kind regards Kenneth Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 203 Registered: 04-2020 Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2022 - 11:35 am:        Hi Kenneth It doesn't need to take six years. And it doesn't need to be done by NASA. Korea has a plan to approach Apophis with a spacecraft in January of 2029 before it makes its close pass above us for which it will launch from Earth in late 2027. Publicly, its' mission statement is to accompany the asteroid as it whips by our planet 'observing' and 'monitoring' changes caused by Earth's gravitational pull that would be threatening. However, if the threat to the planet is realized before its' launch date it can be fitted with a nuclear device. China is conducting an asteroid deflection test around 2025. The China National Space Administration (CNSA) is also creating a planetary defense plan, an early warning system and developing software to simulate operations against any threats of objects near Earth. China held its first Planetary Defense Conference in October 2021, with sessions, papers and presentations on a range of related issues: radar astronomy, early warning systems, small-body exploration, impact simulation, space-based monitoring, impacts, impactors, lasers & other deflection possibilites. Apophis is still classified as "potentially hazardous" internationally due to its proximity and size in spite of NASA's statement there is no threat of colliding with Earth. If you go to sputniknews.com there is an article "Russian astronomers predict Apophis-Earth collision in 2036" where it also mentions Russia's space agency announcing plans earlier for a project to prevent the large asteroid from colliding with Earth. Regards Bob 31hk31 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2022 Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2022 - 11:55 am:        Hello! It is said that the Plejaren's don't interfere. But, clearly the Earth is important and a few of us realize that Apophis may wipe us out but are powerless because the NASA et. al. control missions that may save us all (convincing NASA and most scientists that they are wrong about Pi is almost impossible). That is, WE the believers in the Plejarens ARE Plejarens (ourselves) and if they (using beam technology) do not deflect Apophis, they are killing their own BEING. Also, the Earth may be important to OTHER non-Plejaren aliens using the Earth for myriad purposes. And they can also protect the Earth. For example, I would do everything to protect my farm animals from the hurricane (reinforce barn with wood planks, etc). They are not humans or sentient like us. But are emotionally and economically important. The "non-interference directive" only makes sense to a certain level. We can always meditate to other aliens for help. Hugo Member Post Number: 1140 Registered: 04-2015 Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2022 - 03:06 pm:        If we have the foretold nuclear world war, which seems more and more likely everyday, what does that mean for the deflection of Aphosis? How can the world come together to deflect it if the world is in ruins? Will/can the Earth Foreigners deflect it for us seeing as Earth is their home too? Or will they leave the Earth? Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1530 Registered: 08-2010 Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2022 - 04:06 pm:        The creational law that regulates evolution is one that requires an effort (energy) in creative thinking, logic and rationality. Since we are technologically capable of coming together (may become possible after Biden is out of office) and we have demonstrated the ability to crash land on a smaller asteroid, then perhaps the Plejaren should leave us alone in order to spark a peaceful coexistence and coming together. As I see things escalating between the USA/Ukraine and Russia, things could become so bad that the Earth Foreigners will have no choice but come out of hiding. The New Millennium is an interesting time to be alive. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) 31hk31 New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2022 Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2022 - 05:08 pm:        I'm new to the group and trying to come up to speed very quickly. -About the correction to Pi, please inform me of the exact date in Meier encounters was this FIRST mentioned to Billy Meier. -About the Aphosis danger, please inform me of the exact date in Meier encounters was this FIRST mentioned to Billy Meier. You may point me to a webpage or a book at https://shop.figu.org/ Thanks! Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1974 Registered: 04-2011 Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2022 - 09:08 pm:        A Time of Redemption? "... things escalating ... could become so bad that the Earth Foreigners will have no choice but come out of hiding." (EddieMartin) If we take it as a given that all events in a human life happen for evolution's sake - it may be no accident that we live through this time: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_191 50. Through the incidents, as they are described in the Book of Henoch, they brought all evils to the Earth in their beginning, whereby the first two nuclear wars were released on Earth, as Semjasa and Asasel mutually annihilated themselves and their people. Kenneth Member Post Number: 1506 Registered: 04-2013 Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2022 - 09:22 pm:        Hi Bob, You are absolutely correct; it does not have to take 6 years… I have worked with NASA in my past aerospace days, they have done a lot of good and a large amount of deception, personally, I do not trust the base core of that organization. I am aware of the Russian Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos) when Orbital Sciences Corp. (company I worked for) purchased first stage rocket motors from them. We had a large assemblage of Russian rocket engineers on U.S. soil helping our engineers understand how to integrate their liquid propulsion system in place of our solid propellant system. These Russians were good folks, contrary on what we were led to believe. Logo; Orbital Sciences Corporation Logo; Russian Federal Space Agency Thanks for the information on the South Korean Aerospace Research Institute (KARI) and the China National Space Administration (CNSA). For reference: In solid propellants, the oxidizer and fuel are mixed in a factory in carefully controlled conditions. Liquid propellants are generally mixed by the injector at the top of the combustion chamber, which directs many small swift-moving streams of fuel and oxidizer into one another. Kind respects Kenneth Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1975 Registered: 04-2011 Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2022 - 09:26 pm:        See as well: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/15625.html#POST81080 Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 497 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Friday, October 14, 2022 - 02:56 am:        31hk31 Sometimes you have to let children make mistakes so that they learn. If you are always intervening in order to protect them from nasty accidents, they will be denied the experience of their irresponsible actions and won't gain in knowledge and insight that could act as self-determining intervention. Such experiences help us grow and mature and evolve. Now granted refusing to prevent the death of billions of people is not exactly the same thing, but the principle by which the Plejarens stand is the same. You have to understand that the Plejarens are more highly evolved than we are. They have a different attitude towards death than we do. They're not indifferent, uncaring, and unfeeling, but they don't fear death, like we do. And although it is important to protect our lives so that they're not cut short, it isn't their responsibility to protect us. Certainly they have been trying to help us for thousands of years, but they have been doing this through the prophets and in a guiding-wise manner. They have giving us all the guidance we need. When children insist on misbehaving and not listening to the sound advice of their parents, they're going to go ahead and make mistakes regardless. That is the overall mentality of we earth humans. You might be thankful for your life should they intervene on our behalf, but you won't learn anything, our leaders and rulers won't learn anything; and worse than that, it won't be fully appreciated. But there is another reason why we must learn for ourselves. Our leaders and rulers come from among us. They represent who we are as humans even when they don't represent us in their politics, which is to say if any of us were to find ourselves in their position of power and leadership, we wouldn't necessarily do a better job either. I read somewhere in the FIGU material that even if there is a world war, successive generations still wouldn't learn to avoid war in the future. After milliennia of violence, death, and destruction, we are still recreating the same scenarios in the world. It just goes to show how slowly we learn without the right guidance. But if each of us learn to live peacefully, not just to want it - we all want peace until we are willing to abandon it in the name of our beliefs and ideologies - but to learn to co-exist and to respect each others' freedom and free-will, then we will create better leaders. I know you're fear concerns Apophis and not a world war - although I don't doubt that you fear that too. Who doesn't? - and that you are essentially referring to a catastrophe that isn't man-made and so, therefore, "not our fault", like a world war would be. But it would be our fault if we let it happen. We have the capability to stop Apophis from hitting earth as much as we have the capability to stop a world war from happening. And this is the lesson we must learn. When are we going to start taking responsibility for ourselves and for the planet we all live on without expecting someone else to do it for us, to save us from ourselves? You see, that kind of thinking is grounded in religious thought, and ideological thought when governments make us dependent on them, as they have been doing for the last twenty years, during which we have given rise to generations of youngsters who have been pampered, pandered to, and spoilt. Expecting someone to come to your rescue and to do your bidding is a lazy irresponsible attitude. What would you say if the Plejarens never existed, if Billy never existed, if we had never been given any help at all? Would you just lie down and wait to die? Or would you turn your attention to your own government, to those who have the power to make a difference? Then perhaps that is what you should do. Perhaps that is what we all should do.

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