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Redbeard
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Post Number: 337
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2022 - 07:19 pm: | 
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Kenneth,
I was just thinking about that very thing myself, it’s been quite a experience to be able to sit in on some of these conversations/CR’a and read material and books , Amazing!
Peace, Matt B |
Scott
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Post Number: 3600
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, March 14, 2022 - 08:38 pm: |
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From a the Quran Chapter 157 Verse 4: “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so.....
This seems to indicate it was known Jmmanuel (Jesus) was indeed not killed at the time of his staking, but in reality he survived the crucifixion.... |
Matcha
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Post Number: 46
Registered: 02-2021
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2022 - 06:03 pm: |
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Nice find, Scott.
Chris
Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures.
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Scott
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Post Number: 3601
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2022 - 06:33 pm: |
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Thanks Chris... |
Matthew
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Post Number: 213
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2022 - 08:54 am: |
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Hi Scott,
It's even closer to the truth within Ahmadiyya Islam...
Wikipedia - "Jesus In Islam":
"The Ahmadiyya Movement considers Jesus was a prophet and a mortal man, who was crucified and remained on the cross for six hours, until darkness fell. Jesus was taken down from the cross alive and unconscious. He was treated for three days and nights by saint physician Necdemus in a cave like tomb (especially built for Joseph of Arimathea). Thereafter, Jesus recuperated from his wounds, met his trusted disciples on the Mount of Olives, and left Judea towards the sea of Galilee on his way to Damascus. After his dramatic escape from crucifixion, Jesus traveled to the eastern lands in search of the ten lost tribes of Israel. Finally, he died a natural death in Kashmir, India, as opposed to having been raised up alive to Heaven."
"Muslims have long believed that Paul purposefully corrupted the original teachings of Jesus. The 9th-century historian Sayf ibn Umar asserted that certain rabbis persuaded Paul to deliberately misguide early Christians by introducing what Ibn Hazm viewed as objectionable doctrines into Christianity".
Wikipedia - "Yuz Asaf":
"More recent Ahmadiyya writers assert that the tomb of Mary, the mother of Jesus is in Murree, Pakistan."
Contact report 708: "Miriam (the mother of Jmmanuel) was also on her way to India with him, but she did not survive the hardships of the journey and died in the north of Pakistan and was also buried there."
Murree is in the North of Pakistan.
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Question: Did the name "Jesus" derive from Jmmanuel being nicknamed "Asa" whilst he was still active in Palestine, in much the same way that Eduard is nicknamed Billy today?
Wikipedia: "Asa: a Hebrew name meaning healer and/or physician (Ase)." The Islamic name for Jesus is 'Isa', which is very similar sounding to the Hebrew name Asa. We also know from the Talmud Jmmanuel that most of Jmmanuel's healings were for the largely uneducated and economically poorer people from the Jewish community at that time, giving further grounds for why a name like 'Asa' would have been used more widely than the name Jmmanuel.
Futureofmankind:
"According to Astral Theologists, the origins to the name Jesus Christ can be traced as far back as ancient Greek mythology long before the name came into existence. In ancient Greek the name "Yezues Christos" means the "Anointed son of Zeus" as a direct reference to the Greek deity of Dionysus."
Whilst the above may explain the Church's later adoption of name 'Jesus Christ' and the reasons for it, we know that Jmmanuel's disciples weren't educated scribes, except for Judas, so it's unlikely they would have used this name early on. However, we do know that they got the ball rolling on the later derived fable around Jesus Christ, as is relayed here:
Contact Report 708
"This already ancient, senseless, lying Christian fairy tale story – as it was also told to the faithful in a similar way in various other old religious lies and from which Christianity has taken over the whole fairy tale jumble – was not spread by the prophet or herald Jmmanuel (alias Jesus Christ, who never bore this name), but was invented by some of his disciples only after his flight from the cross, when he was already on his way to India."
Did those disciples use the nickname "Asa" instead of Jmmanuel to protect Jmmanuel after the crucifixion, and so provide the basis for further lies that were taken up by the Church in their eventual adaptation into the name Jesus (and Jesus Christ for all the reasons outlined by that Futureofmankind information)?
This brings me to another question: Can anyone find a single example of the name 'Jmmanuel' ever being used with a "J" inside or outside of Palestine? Think we can safely assume it was Gabriel's explanation that lead to that particular spelling with the leading letter "J" and so as to be in accord with prior prophecies, perhaps also to the Plejaren alphabet, but tis all lends itself to a hypothesis that a nickname would have already been in use, with 'Asa' being a suitable candidate for that.
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This brings me to another topic favoured by Ahmadiyya Islam...
Question: Was the "Roza Bal" tomb in Kashmir, India for a person named Yuz Asaf, just a happy, completely unrelated, coincidence to Jmmanuel's eventual place of settlement?
Even the German Indologist and tibetologist who brought the 'Jesus in India' belief to the attention of the West, doesn't agree that the tomb in Srinigar depicts the burial place of Jesus as taught by Ahmadiyya Islam:
Wikipedia - "Yuz Asaf"
"Indologist Günter Grönbold in his "Jesus in Indien" assesses that the shrine was previously Hindu, before the Islamization of Kashmir and is possibly the grave of a Buddhist or Hindu saint rather than a Sufi, but, in any case, has no connection with Jesus or Christianity."
Do the claims about the marks of Jesus and marks on the feet of the "Roza Bal" tomb at Srinagar correspond to what we'd expect to see as marks from feet in crucifixion?
"Most commonly, the feet [in crucifixion] were fixed to the front of the stipes by means of an iron spike driven through the first or second intermetatarsal space, just distal to the tarsometatarsal joint." ~ 'On the Physical Death of Jesus Christ' article in The Journal of the American Medical Association. April 1986.
Would nail wounds have healed to look anything like the marks in this picture?
Rather than scars, could these marks be crude representations of the meidal arch (inner side of the foot) and the mound where the met-head (padded mound near the toes) meets the Metarasal Arch (the main arch)? Could this actually be the grave of a Buddhist as Günter Grönbold suggested? According to most sources, the name 'Yuz Asaf' is a variation of the name Josaphat. Connected to that is the Christian version of the Buddha story named 'Barlaam and Josaphat'. There's also thw following information to consider when thinking about the marks on the feet of the tomb:
Wikipedia - "Buddha footprint"
"Footprints of the Buddha abound throughout Asia, dating from various periods. Japanese author Motoji Niwa, who spent years tracking down the footprints in many Asian countries, estimates that he found more than 3,000 such footprints, among them about 300 in Japan and more than 1,000 in Sri Lanka. They often bear distinguishing marks, such as a Dharmachakra at the centre of the sole, or the 32, 108 or 132 auspicious signs of the Buddha, engraved or painted on the sole."
Footprint of Buddha with Dharmacakra and Triratna, 1st century.
Instead of proving that Jmmanuel died in Srinagar, the tomb may actually show why Jmmanuel travelled there as the tomb would appear to be showing that people from different philosophical traditions were not only tolerated, but celebrated and revered, suggesting that Srinagar was, in previous times, known as an important centre for learning and spiritual study.
Matthew |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 169
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2022 - 05:13 am: |
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A very nicely done presentation, Matthew. Thanks for sharing that. The "Buddha footprints" is new to me, I did not know about. You may be on the right track, (pun intended).
Bob |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 170
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2022 - 12:06 pm: |
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Continuing the discussion of the possible links of Jmmanuel/Issa to the so-called 'Buddha prints' in Matthew's post 213, I have enlarged the symbol located at the center of the sole of the footprint taken from Matthew's post and it appears below to the left. We can find comparisons to the spirit symbols provided by Billy that may be interesting. In the center picture below is the spirit symbol for SPIRITUAL SUBCONSCIOUSNESS (Geistiges Unterbewusstsein). If one looks closely to the symbol from the footprint there is a dot right in the center of the inner circle similar to the spirit symbol. It's a small dimple of a crater.
Billy has explained that many of the spirit symbols are composed of independent symbols that by themselves have meaning and when combined have an enhanced meaning. The PEACE symbol is a good example. In the picture to the below-right is such a component appearing in the EVOLUTION symbol. The full EVOLUTION symbol is shown at the bottom of this post. So this symbol may have a meaning to the essence of the evolution of the spiritual subconscious.
  
A cluster of three circles appears in several spirit symbols, (such as the ones near the heel of the foot-print in Matthew's post). They appear, for example, in both the Rebirth/Reincarnation symbol(Wiedergeburt/Reinkarnation) and the Becoming and Passing symbol (Werden and Vergehen)
I think it's safe to say that whomever created this 'Buddha footprint' was not the metaphorical chimpanzee pecking randomly on a keyboard and coming up with War and Peace. Someone knew what they were doing and had purposeful intent.
Bob |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1459
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2022 - 07:32 pm: |
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Mathew and Bob,
Fascinating read!
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 170
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| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2022 - 08:33 pm: |
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Something else interesting about the so-called 'footprint of Buddha' picture from Matthew's post 213 -
If you zoom in on the upper right side of the foot near the base of the big toe, you can see the spirit symbol - 'Live in the Light' (Leben im Licht). The enlargement picture is shown below and the spirit symbol below that.
As many are aware, the mirror image of the 'Live in the Light' symbol has the opposite meaning and is called 'Darkness of Life/Non-Existence of Life' (Lebensdunkelheit/Lebensnichtexistenz) better known by our generation as the 'swastika' used by Hitler.
Another 'Live in the Light' symbol can be seen near the base of the middle toe.
Bob |
Maven04005
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 04-2021
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 - 01:42 pm: |
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The religious scholars who wrote the Bible did not include Henoch as a book in it.
The Talmud of Jmmanuel- Introduction.
In order to save their threatened heresy, today's still-dominant orthodox and conservative clergy and their naive followers will probably attempt to deny the scrolls, destroy this book and denounce it as lies, as they have done with many other ancient writings that bore witness to the truth. (See, for example, the books Henoch and Jezihar, which were removed from the Bible because they had been too close to the truth when handed down)
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Henoch Prophecy Contact Report 215
164. The point in time at which these prophecies will begin to be fulfilled will be when a Pope will no longer reside in Rome.
165. All of Europe will then fall victim to a terrible punishment by evil powers.
166. The Christian religion will collapse and the churches and monasteries will end up in ruins and ashes. 166. Die christliche Religion wird zusammenbrechen und die Kirchen und Klöster werden in Schutt und Asche enden.
167. Monstrous forces will be created by science and will be released by the military forces and armies as well as by terrorists, causing great destruction.
In my opinion, once you have read Henoch’s Prophesy you know the TRUTH. That is in contrast to the Catholic Church’s Father Bartholomew Holzhauser prophesy published by the Catholic Church.
Introduction to the book “After The Warning To 2038":
The book, reveals many words from Heaven of future events, taken from the Bible and from the Holy Spirit, revealed through visions and other supernatural revelation to the Early Church Fathers, Doctors of the Church, venerable, blessed, and canonized Saints, Mystics of the Church including stigmatists, priests and religious, ordinary men and women of notable, discernable credibility, and from visionaries who have seen Mary, Mother of Jesus. Recorded in this book are many major prophecies placed in a chronological order and are about to unfold. Many of these events have not ever been experienced in this world before.
Seventh Church Age
A strong Ruler and a Holy Pope to the birth of Antichrist
This is the future Church age of Philadelphia
After 10 secrets(events), Mary claims a “certain period of peace’ on earth.
It will be the Reign of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary
Holzhauser says – All Nations will be united in the Catholic Faith
Under the protection of the great Monarch and his Successors: He will submit everything to his authority; He will show great zeal for the true Church; The Monarch will break the empire of the Mohammedans.
https://afterthewarningto2038.com/catholic-prophecy.php
Catholic Prophecies have been accumulating for almost two thousand years and have been given to us, from the Holy Spirit over that time, revealing many events to the Catholic Church and the world.
Rev. Herman Bernard Kramer who wrote, "The Book of Destiny " on Revelation, concurs with this same chronological unfolding of the seven Churches.
AGE DESCRIPTION YEARS
First Church Age Christ and the Apostles to Pope Linus and Emperor Nero 4 BC – 79 AD
Second Church Age The Days of Persecution 79 – 314
Third Church Age Pope Sylvester to Pope Leo III 314 – 795
Fourth Church Age Pope Leo III to Leo X 795 – 1520
Fifth Church Age Pope Leo X to a Strong Ruler and a Holy Pope
This is the present Church age of Sardis coming to a close. 1520 – 2038
Mary reveals 10 Secrets (events) to unfold, early 2023 – 2038
that Includes: First 2 are admonitions and are good events from God early 2023
And the 3rd admonition is a good event from God 2023
Next 5 are punishments and are a recoil of our sins upon us 2023 – 2038
Last 2 are chastisements directly from God 2030s – 2038
The Great Catholic Monarch (strong ruler) rises up taking back Europe in the late 2030s.
The Holy Pope with a sign of redemption on his forehead will reign in 2038 and afterwards.
St. Bridget exclaims: " the world will cry, Woe " in the year 2038.
Sixth Church Age A Strong Ruler and a Holy Pope to the birth of Antichrist
This is the future Church age of Philadelphia
After the 10 secrets (events), Mary claims a "certain period of peace" on the earth.
It will be the Reign of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary
Holzhauser says – All Nations will be united in the Catholic Faith
Under the protection of the great Monarch and his Successors
He will submit everything to his authority,
He will show great zeal for the true Church.
The Monarch will break the empire of the Mohammedans
2038 – 2383?
Seventh Church Age Birth of Antichrist to end of the world
This is the last Church age of Laodicea
Antichrist
The Two Witnesses, Elijah, and Enoch will be sent back to earth
The Coming of Christ on the clouds
The end of the Gentile Church
A time for the Jewish People in the last Church Age
Last Church age is 1000 years or longer
Final coming of Christ
2383? – 3483?
Hello Maven04005
I moved your post to a more appropriate area.
Additionally, you may not know this, but FIGU prefers only FIGU links be posted when referencing various websites.
Thank you
Scott-Moderator
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Maven04005
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| | Posted on Friday, April 01, 2022 - 01:46 pm: |
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Thank you again Scott.
I am still learning.
Maven |
Scott
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| | Posted on Friday, April 01, 2022 - 03:51 pm: |
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Your Very Welcome Maven  ...If you are not sure of something you can contact me or ask on the forum
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Kenneth
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2022 - 10:14 am: |
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With truthful facts that I have discovered through the Teaching, when sharing with others that refused or could not grasp the information, a thought came to mind. "None so deaf as those that will not hear, none so blind as those that will not see."
Where did this memory come from? Performing research to see if this recall could be identified. Lo and behold, this idiom evidently came from Matthew Henry 1662-1714.
He was a NONCONFORMIST minister and author, who was born in Wales but spent much of his life in England, noted for comprehensive descriptions and explanations of ideas and theories.
Kenneth |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 194
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2022 - 09:00 am: |
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Hi Kenneth
Being a minister, Matthew Henry probably got it from the Bible.
"Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear:" - Jeremiah 5:21
Jeremiah (Jeremia) was one of the incarnations of the same Nokodemion/Henoch/Billy Meier prophet lineage, as you probably know.
And again later -
"Do you have eyes and not see; do you have ears and not hear?" - Mark 8:18, quoting Jesus/Jmmanuel
It is interesting to note that the equivalent passage found in the Talmud of Jmmanuel, about "the Leaven of the Pharisees and of Herod" is written much differently:
From the Talmud of Jmmanuel Chapter 18:
11. Do you not yet understand, and can you not find any thoughts or any understanding, so that you may understand my words? (the EAR metaphor)
12. Are you then of such little knowledge and without discernment (understanding) that you can not recognize the meaning? (the EYES metaphor)
- page 294 of authorized English translation
Regards
Bob |
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