Archive for 2004

Author Message Hunter Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 02:12 pm:        This gentleman has an interesting site: http://www.chaostan.com The main thing that interests me about his speculations are an alliance between certain Islamic countries, China, and Russia. The prophecies given to Billy seem to indicate that these countries will be acting together in the prelude to WW3. One could speculate that China will attack India through the urging of Pakistan and some of the other Islamic countries--as India would represent the most formidable foe in the region due to its population and nuclear arsenal. This would allow the Islamic nations to focus on Europe--and a logical starting place, from a purely strategic point of view would be France because of the high Islamic immigrant population(the prophecies say it will fall partly due to "inside influence"). Russia's focus would be on Skandinavia, allowing the Islamic countries to concentrate their invasion on "lower" Europe. So, in the end, each faction of the "new axis" receives a "reward" of conquered territory. As to why Russia would attack Iran and Turkey--we can speculate that the "new axis" would concede these oil rich territorities for the support of Russia with its strong military and WMD's to increase the chances of success in regards to the other invasions. Hunter Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 03:42 pm:        More articles showing that America is creating more and more enemies through its actions: http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/jamail/jamail3.html http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0418/goldstein.php http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/reed/reed7.html America's leaders claim to have good intentions in stopping terrorism, but by breaking the laws of cause and effect violence will beget more violence. Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 09:00 pm:        Hi Jay and FIGU board members: (this continues the trend started in contact 251 area, i feel it is better suited here). It is possible, i am sure, to avoid a prophecy if earthlings really use proper reasoning. However, the current events in the world are giving you credit. (Images of Iraqis naked, photograped naked and humiliated in front of women had profoundly shocked the Muslim world. An American is shown slaughtered on the internet as a retaliation. The hatred is growing, and the current leaders are doing nothing to stop this by their action. Violence breeds violence, terror breeds terror) Earhtling are currently too enslaved by their false believes, and do not use logic and wisdom to guide their action. Perhaps i am a "wishful thinker" and you a "realist"... The law of cause of effect can be compared to a pendulum: perhaps the pendulum is already too high, it will definitely go quickly in the opposite direction, even if is stoppped now to a complete halt. Peace in wisdom Eric Hunter Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, May 17, 2004 - 04:31 pm:        "perhaps the pendulum is already too high, it will definitely go quickly in the opposite direction, even if is stoppped now to a complete halt" Unfortunately, Eric, I think you have a valid point. In general, we of course need to keep trying to prevent the war any way we can as individuals, if only in small ways. But I would like to pose the question to everyone, when do we plan for our survival? Yes, the whole world is going to be affected, but we know that even if the prophecies are fulfilled life will still go on for many. It will be an unbelievably tough life, but it will nevertheless be life. Aren't we supposed to survive and extend our lifespans as long as possible for the benefit of our spirits and Creation? If so, when do we prepare for the worst and leave areas that we know will face the greatest destruction? Namaste, Hunter Jay Member Post Number: 312 Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 02:55 pm:        Hi Hunter, I don't think is possible to plan for something of this magnitude, the problems in this case are that we are causing ALL of this as a collective. If WWIII does fulfill itself sooner or later, it will be amongst the Govts who are transgressing against the valid votes of the people to counter act against these up coming events. World War III as Prophecy can happen within the next 12 to 15 yrs or so, more likely the chances of us humans making the difference at this time has become quite small. The reason for my statement is because as you can see ALL the many events which are being escalated in violence and also the middle eastern countries are highly violent for all of what America has caused. When I read the Henoch Prophecies and I highlight some of the lines which Quetzal states that America will cause great harm to many countries, I can finally see the growing tendencies of what Quetzal stated coming to the forefront. America is causing much more hatred and eventually America will have no choice but to wipe out many countries full of hatred and anger, the will now stop and nothing from what I see in the news everyday. When June 30th deadline hits, everything is probably going to fly of the fan like fire being ignited by Strong winds in a forrest. Brace yourselves my dear FIGU friends, is going to be tough times ahead. Saalome and BE WELL to ALL Markc Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 06-2000 Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 01:11 am:        Hi Jay ; What is this June 30th deadline ? Mark Mark Campbell Jay Member Post Number: 314 Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 11:10 am:        Markc, The June 30th deadline is where the Bush Administration hands Sovereignty to Iraq and makes the country a "SO CALLED" DEMOCRATIC FREE NATION (NOT !!) Saalome and BE WELL to ALL Hunter Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 11:50 am:        Mark, I'll answer for Jay to save him the time. It's the deadline for the U.S. to hand over power to the new Iraqui government. Jay, We are, again, broadly in agreement as far as the overall picture of WW3 is concerned. However, I would disagree with your point that it is not possible for us to plan for something of this magnitude. The Plejarens have given us details of what will happen in the aftermath. For example, we know that the northern hemisphere will be virtually uninhabitable. We can therefore easily deduce that the southern hemisphere will be habitable. So, it looks like it might be time to buy some property in South America, New Zealand or South Africa. As far as I know, the Plejarens haven't mentioned any of these countries as major players in the war, so they should be less likely to be selected as targets for those with weapons of mass destruction. We also know that there will be flooding, so we know to move to higher elevated regions. All I'm saying is there are choices we can make that will give us a better chance of survival. There are no guarantees obviously, as there will be wide spread chaos and devastation the likes of which have never been seen on this planet. But I'd prefer to try and survive rather than just sit around and wait to be the target of a weapons of mass destruction strike. Who's with me? Namaste, Hunter Joseph_emmanuel New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 01:44 pm:        I'm with you, Hunter. But I'm from the UK... just a little island compared to America. Jay Member Post Number: 315 Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 04:48 pm:        Hunter, I was not going to get into details about the June 30th deadline, is all over the news so details were not necessary to be written on here. However the escalating problems of the world will not subside anytime soon. To FIGU is a matter of preserving the mission so it can go on after all has been lost in the planet and I mean EVERYTHING, everywhere. We all here agree with each other but in your case it seems like we will need to hide somewhere "safe"?... not exactly, the whole of the world will be sunk into this. I do agree that it would be a good try and hide in neutral or physical safe ground from this, chances seem to be slight in my view. (MAYBE I WILL MAKE FRIENDS WITH THE DOGON OR THE SHAMANS ) Saalome and BE WELL to ALL Mdaglioglu New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 07:35 pm:        Hi Hunter, I am indecisive about what I will do. It will be a huge war (if it will happen) and we don't know which countries will take which sites. for example, I am turkish and I pick South Africa to settle down. In the war, South Africa may take opposite site to Turkey and they may kill me, imprison me, or luckily deport me. Imagine what I can do at that time. In the prophecies, nothing has been said about southern hemisphere and you can not be sure about that it would be that habitable. Some wars may take place there too. I also think to stay where I am now. I may buy a farm very far away from the cities and prepare for the war whichever means I can. Inhabitable does not mean that I can not survive. And prophecies does not state that all the people in Europe and Asia would die. Peace, Murat Mhurley Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 09:46 pm:        Hi All, Even if you found an area which wasn't bombed - you'd still have the potential problems of radioactive clouds. When Chernobyl occurred, I think it affected some sheep here in Wales, for example Matt Hunter Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 03:57 pm:        To all, Thanks for the responses. Joseph, Thanks. Just want to say that the size of one's country doesn't matter at all. I don't judge anyone by this. And besides, if the prophecies are fulfilled there probably won't be much left of our countries anyway. The sad fact is our countries are doing a great deal to precipitate this war by their acts of aggression with claims of good intentions. Jay, You're not understanding me correctly. I'm not saying we can "hide" somewhere "safe". What I'm saying is that as far as hospitable places, there will be different levels and degrees depending upon where you are in the world. Obviously, we should avoid moving to New Delhi, India. Chance of surviving there will be much lower than other places because we KNOW if the prophecies are fulfilled New Delhi will most likely be hit by WMD. And, yes, it doesn't look good overall. It's going to be tough no matter where you are, but still, living in a major city in a major country will definitely increase your risk of getting deep fried. The farther we are from these places, the greater our chances to continue living, as a general rule. Murat, My friend, from Turkey! You make some very valid points. I'm still indecisive myself, but I am seriously looking at buying some property in South America. To be honest, I was interested in moving there even before I read the Henoch prophecies, but now it seems like an even better idea. One way to avoid the risks you talk about would be to try and obtain citizenship in your new home country quickly, or to try and obtain a second passport from another (third party) country, if the laws of Turkey allow you to be a dual citizen. You're right that we can't foresee how all the alliances will shape up. It would be best to relocate to a country with either (1) a strong history of neutrality, such as Switzerland or New Zealand or (2) a country with a strong history of being an ally to your home country. This would reduce your risk of deportation or persecution. But you are also right when you say that uninhabitable does not necessarily mean that some people will not be able to survive there. Whatever your decision, I wish you good fortune. Matt, You make a very valid point as well. We could buy radiation suits, Potassium Iodide tablets, lead shelters, etc. But, in order for precautions like that to be truly effective and worthwhile I think you would have to have an area big enough to stockpile some animals and seeds to be able to repopulate and regrow food. And you'd have to have plenty of weapons on hand to defend yourself because you would be a target if you were seen as having food and shelter. We can only speculate but I would assume the marauders would be straight out of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, except less friendly... Namaste, Hunter Mdaglioglu New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 04:04 pm:        Matt, Nuclear bombs and Chernobyl nuclear reactor, as far as I know are different in nature. Nuclear bombs have temporary radiactive effects, which last ,as a dangerous to human health, for 3 months if I remember thoroughly. Meanwhile, I am not saying that the best way is to stay at homeland. It is one of the possibilities. Peace, Murat Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 09:37 pm:        Hi Figu Board members: I tried to analyze the international political situation through a logical point of view. Here is a humble, very simplistic proposal that i would call: PEACE for DUMMIES: How to avoid 3rd world war Initial premisse Step 0: USA (and also Israel and all western nations) to elect a responsible, non-religious government, that is truly looking for peace. Step 1: USA to stop all international aid to Israel. (majority of USAID funds go currently to Israel). Immediate Embargo on all military exports to Israel and Middle East countries. Step 2: USA to impose Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Progressive economic embargo, supported by international community, to achieve goal. Step 3: USA with UN support, to force Israel and Palestine to a conclude definite peace. International community to force both parties to forbid any land claims based on religious basis. Step 4: USA and "coalition" armies leaves countries in which they are involved (especially in the Middle East) and are repatriated into the USA or respective country. Step 5: USA to sign all Internation Agreements that they are refusing to sign: Kyoto Treaty Mines Treaty International Justice Court ... (i am forgetting some, i am sure) Step 5: All the other countries of the world shall have the courage to oppose the USA, if the latter fail to take necessary steps. Economic and total petrol embargo should be considered to force USA to take his responsibilities. Expulsion from UN and all international organization to be considered as well. Step 6: USA and other nuclear powers to stop all research in nuclear bombs and space weapons such as HAARP and commit to eliminate all these weapons within X years. Step 7: USA and other nuclear powers to place their armies and their financial institutions under one international command (United Nations), to make a true international armed force. The army`s goal will be to maintain peace, avoid or stop conflicts around the world, maintain ban on nuclear weapons, ... all in the respect of different cultures they are in. Fiancial institution will ensure that economc embargo are maintained on non-collaborating countries. (For those skeptics: It worked in South Africa) Step 8: All countries of the world to eliminate any mention of religion in their constitution, and to eliminate any influence of religion on public affairs. Step 8: Genuine steps undertaken to stop population growth and to start reducing it, All of this is simple and logic, even if they look very drastic. Is men currently so incapable of logic and reasoning? Will it take a Third World War to understand? Perhaps...But to avoid it is so simple Peace Eric Mdaglioglu Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 12:46 pm:        Hunter, thanks for your kind remarks, my friend. When I wrote "Inhabitable does not mean that I can not survive." I meant "Uninhabitable does not mean that I can not survive.". Thanks again for the correction. Peace, Murat Hunter Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 03:02 pm:        A point to consider: Quoting from the 251st contact, "...By this time, Earth's northern hemisphere will be largely destroyed by nuclear fires and...radiation that will annihilate the entire plant and animal world..." I have seen other posts concerning Noah's ark and the fact that the details for its construction were given to Noah by extraterrestrials. My question is, why can't the Plejarens take action to at least save some of the animals and plants? I understand their reasoning behind not interfering with terrestrial man because were are a degenerate form of life, but the animals and plants are blameless for the violence on this planet. Couldn't they save a small group of each type to repopulate the earth after the radioactive effects caused by WW3 subside? Michael Member Post Number: 434 Registered: 10-2000 Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 06:20 pm:        Hunter, I would just say that we shouldn't assume that they wouldn't...or already haven't. Michael Horn Truthseeker Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Monday, May 24, 2004 - 01:49 am:        Greetings Hunter, About the best thing I can think of is to go deep down in those underground tunnels found in South America to those very large caverns, and then put in place an underground ocean, forest and plants complete with as much wild life as you can think of. This including fish, birds, bugs, dolphins, etc. Then harness the above ground radiation by use of solar panels to power an artificial sun and rain. FIGU and friends could have a whole community of people down their. You won't be able to see any stars for quite a number of years and the Ozone layer will no longer exist, but at least this would be better then becoming cannibalized by the surviving living dead on the surface. That's if world war 3 begins in late 2006. Truthseeker Hunter Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, May 24, 2004 - 04:23 pm:        Michael, I certainly hope you're right. Maybe they are waiting to see stronger signs that the prophecies will come true before they let us know they are taking action in regards to the plants and animals. Another point: was the ET who helped Noah acting with the blessing of his people, or was he acting alone as a rogue(violating some kind of non-interference law)? If the latter, I wonder if he was punished or banished for his actions. Truthseeker, Sounds like a plan. All I can say is that if I were a millionaire I would definitely be spending some of my money to prepare a place like this. Of course, I would be spending money in political ways to try and prevent the war first and foremost, but having a back up plan is never unwise. If one had the money, one could easily purchase enough supplies to last many years. So exactly where are these caverns in South America? I've heard of them, but I haven't heard exactly where they are. If we could modify solar panels to produce electricity from left over radioactive particles, then we would definitely have plenty of energy for a few years. And, yes, it would be nice if we could bring everyone together from FIGU to survive the war. It won't be easy, so greater numbers would increase our chances of surviving. You also bring up a gruesome but valid point because cannibalism will probably be widespread if the entire animal and plant kingdoms are destroyed by radiation. Which is why we will also need beaucoup weapons--because if I'm going to end up as someone's breakfast, lunch, or dinner, I'm not going down without a fight... After all is said and done though, just wish I had a beamship or something similar, then I would carry myself and anybody that wanted to join me off this s#$thole and go to a real planet--where I could die and reincarnate and have a chance at a normal life, without an aggression gene. Sounds so easy doesn't it? Just die on another planet and you're free from Earth forever... Wishful thinking. Mdaglioglu Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Monday, May 24, 2004 - 08:48 pm:        Hi all, Sometimes this approaching world war 3 makes me very upset and chaotic. However, after all, highly developed society and highly developed spiritforms, Pleiades/Plejares and the dear friend Billy are helping us "which is an absolute exception that will happen never again (and did never happen before)." An expert from Your Questions to Billy Meier--Answered, Archive through May 03, 2004, for the question of Rita Keoughan posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 08:50 am. We have a body that we do not know wholly how to use regarding telepathy, fast reading, etc. We are having life-experience with altered genes. Even if the worst happens-WW3 happens, the humanity is going to find the true path. So what if I die in WW3 or later. I will do whatever I can in my account before this war happens/to prevent this war. These thoughts sometimes and somehow makes me relax. Peace, Murat Truthseeker Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Monday, May 24, 2004 - 10:25 pm:        Greetings Hunter, I can see you and I in some ways think alike. Apparently the entrance to the tunnels under South America can be found near the city of Brasilia in Brazil and which apparently is a tourist attraction where visitors can visit this area yet people don't go to far into them because it would take an expedition of say weeks to go down through there, but should take you far underneath South America. There are also large drops downwards so driving through there by car may not be a good option at this time unless this has now being changed by the Brazilian government for explorer tourism. Also there are extra terrestrial descendents living today in areas of extent volcanoes, existing in countries all over the world. In North America, these mountains include places like Mt Adams, Mt Shasta, etc. Great places to visit if you also like Bigfoot aside from UFOs. Unfortunately these places are not accessible and for obvious reasons, however there are yet other places like these in other parts of the world which are far more accessible like Mt Banahaw in the Philippines, Mt Apu in Peru, and Mt Dragon on the Island of Guadalcanal in the Solomon Islands. Unfortunately However, Mt Banahaw has just recently being closed and fenced off by the Military in the Philippines, who now claim they are doing this for environmental concerns. And in other countries such as these, you always have the danger of getting caught in Gorilla warfare. I know what you mean by wanting to leave the planet as I too have asked this of Billy himself on this forum concerning the Millennium ETs, the same ET group that was going to make contact with Earth humanity back at around the turn of the Millennium, from which the Plejarens suggested to them this was not a good idea and for obvious reasons. Of course being with such an ET group is going to require a different level of communication and thinking, and responsibility. Billy also indicated here a possibility regarding this, which for me I'm not just doing this as a means of escaping world war 3, but also for more personal reasons, such as to live a more peaceful existence. One can only hope, and we'll see what happens in the world in the next few months to November. I've also come across 2 people who say they can call down UFOs, have them land, and meet the occupants, from which I also know a witness to this event. SO I'm hopping to check these guys out this summer as I feel I need to see it for myself. You are also welcome to help me in my research and come along for the ride. Peace in being, James Truthseeker Truthseeker Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Monday, May 24, 2004 - 11:27 pm:        Note regarding my pervious post: Mt Apu Putucusi in Peru is next to the ruins of Machu Picchu. To get to it's entrance however, will require some real steep mountain climbing. Truthseeker Edward Member Post Number: 389 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 02:01 am:        Hi Jay.... As you mentioned: "The June 30th deadline is where the Bush Administration hands Sovereignty to Iraq and makes the country a "SO CALLED" DEMOCRATIC FREE NATION (NOT !!)" Very very well said! It would just be another Republican "Puppet" government! As has been the case many many times in the past! And Mr.Bush saying just some weeks before that all US forces will pull out of Iraq on that mentioned date; and just last week he said the troops that are stationed in S-Korea...WILL....be Stationed and take the place of Spain, because Spain had made a very very good and Wise decision to pull out their troops; as of this week...they are all out of Iraq! As for the country I live in: well, our Government is Pure PRO BUSH...(Center/Right-Liberalists, Christians and some independent beginners) and sending Apaches this coming week...and surely our troops will not only have "Mortars" for Dinner and Breakfast as it has been for this last month. It seems that ALL Center, Right and Catholic/ Christian politicians are PRO BUSH...here. And are just WAR-monger Along with him....Helaas. I figure...our country may be the Next on the list!!!??? Edward. Edward Member Post Number: 390 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 02:06 am:        Hi Matt.... As you mentioned: "Even if you found an area which wasn't bombed - you'd still have the potential problems of radioactive clouds. When Chernobyl occurred, I think it affected some sheep here in Wales, for example " Well, I can remember that all dairy products and vegetables were imported to our country then were all had to be destroyed! This went on for weeks or more. Nothing from that part of Europe and surroundings were to be consumed. Even in my country the radiation hit great levels! So, even the crops and dairy products here were destroyed. I guess when such a gigantic nuclear manifestation erupts...its still best to be an "Insect"! As they have in many cases "Out-lived" many creatures that walk with legs and some that fly on earth. Edward. Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 12:43 pm:        DEATH! DEATH! DEATH! WHY ARE WE LIVING IN FEAR OF DEATH? IT IS GOOD TO HAVE REST FROM OUR PERSONALITIES. Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 08:35 pm:        Hi dear Figu board members: During the 80s, many scientists were warning governements and population about the risk of a all-out nuclear war scenarios. (I believe Carl Sagan and Andrei Sakharov were mong them) They did studies and simulations that lead to the conclusion that a typical nuclear war attack (with an order of 100-200 bombs explosions) between the then superpowers could not be won and would lead to a "nuclear winter", a several temperature break down of a least 1 year. That combined with radiation + destruction of ozone was basically leading to complete eradication of mankind + most life on Earth + even more cosmic damage. Such scenarios could have happened with even an error in the early warning system computer network (it almost happened in 1979 by the way) (Also, in 1973, during the Yom Kippur War, both USA and USSR put their missile systems on high alert, and the USA considered taking control the Saudis oil field in the oil crisis that followed, we got very close to the Armaggeddon back then...) This end of the world scenario became obsolete with the collapse of Berlin Wall in 1989, apparently the peace meditation was beneficial in achieving this. Now, the current prophecies as laid down in contact notes 251 predicts that although a world war may likely happen, mankind will survive, will slowly evolve and eventually find its origin and the truth, correct its degenerated aggressive gene and leave the solar system. This is much more optimistic than all-out nuclear scenario of the Cold War era. There is no reason to be more pessimistic now than before, dear friends. Several studies have been done on the impact of nuclear blasts and the following mass fire that would result, it was determined that an explosion of 15-20 bombs, would result in mass fires that would burn for weeks and possibly months (similar to Hamburg bombing in 1943, but 100 times larger) and provoque a global temperature break down (ref. The Atomic Scientist magazine, last winter) I think that`s why Billy mention that all countries in the world will be affected by this conflict. I am not even mentioning side effect of ionosphere destrcution due to HAARP type weapons. This scenario is VERY likely to happen in a conflict between Israel-USA vs Islamic countries such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Temperature break down and world fire are predicted in the prophecy of chap 25. of Talmud of Jmmanuel by the way. For those who are thinking to escape (go to South America, New Zealand, etc..), Contact Notes 251 predicts that there will be an enormous revenge campaign against the world war precipitators. Also, according to creational laws, no extraterrestrial life will come to help us, since it is a law that everything that degenerates cannot be helped (unless it affects other people, planets, systems ....). Don't pin your hopes on this! If people if North America and Middle East do not become reasonable, the implacable laws of creation (cause and effect) will apply and they will destroy each other and disappear. So be it. (Fighting violence with violence is degenerated.) Degenerated life autodestroys himself eventually and thus do not affect the rest of the universe: that law applies to countries also ... The worse thing to do is to try to escape. Mankind however will learn from this and survive. The best thing we can do is to try to learn, seek by ourself, start to act logically in our life and around us, do peace meditation,... not try to escape to South Africa! So that in our next incarnation in the future, we do not start over again... Peace and wisdom Eric Hunter Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 08:39 pm:        Joseph, Speaking for myself, I don't fear death--I know I will live again. What I want to avoid is a meaningless death, and a meaningless destruction of this planet. What is sad is the fact that this planet may be severely damaged for NOTHING, for causes which others believe to be true which are utterly false (such as U.S. believing that it is "improving or saving the world" by constantly aggressing against other nations). I've been trying to persuade people politically for years. I know how closed-minded the vast majority of people are, and I know our "leaders" are even more self-deceived, so it's hard for me to be optimistic at this point. And with that, I'll end by saying, SOMEBODY PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS GALACTIC S#$THOLE CALLED EARTH! BEAM ME UP, SEMJASE! E.T. PHONE HOME AND FLY BY! I WILL RIDE OUT OF HERE WITH ANYBODY--FLASH GORDON, HAN SOLO AND CHEWIE, SEVEN OF NINE, SCOOBY DOO, O.J. AND A.C., YOU NAME IT... JUST GET ME OFF THIS ROCK. "It's a madhouse, a madhouse!" --Charlton Heston, Planet of the Apes Truthseeker Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 02:09 am:        Greetings Hunter, Calm Down. If you want off this planet like me, I don't think yelling your way off is going to do it. My self, YES I really want off this Earth more then anything else in life and have wanted this now for more then 10 years, but I can't ignore the fact that there are also many other very good people on this planet worthy of life. In fact, everyone and everything living here is worthy of life, so if I'm going to leave Earth, I'd rather do it if and when I know for sure world war 3 is going to happen and there is nothing more to I can do to prevent this. So it is everyones responsibility to humanity and all life on Earth to at least try and put in their 2 cents worth in preventing world war 3, even if it does happen. However, if it doesn't happen, I still would like to leave Earth for good, because that is my ultimate goal in life, even if I can't come back here for visits. That means a number of personal sacrifices I have to make including saying good bye to loved ones and family if I have to. There are also numerous responsibilities beginning with our thinking and intentions once we get out there so that we don't ruin that culture like here. I'd want to be extremely careful who I'd bring with me for this reason. For example, I don't want to bring smokers, drinkers, religious people, money hordes, etc. Remember we always have a responsibility to the people on the planet in which we live. So eventually I really hope to leave with the Millennium ETs which means no more slacking off in my own thinking and emotions, not even for a tiny bit, because a peaceful cosmic society MUST evolve in it's right evolution and because I want to reincarnate there so I have to be extremely careful whom I take with me if I'm granted this ultimate wish. I'm now ready for contact with them so they can get to know me more in person, but I'm not ready to leave Earth just yet if I can in some ways still make a difference for this planet. Once you get out there in space, the rules are different and you're responsible being in that part of creation. That means being 100% efficient in thinking, communication and intentions. I'm not even fully satisfied with myself yet and worry about my communication skills should I actually get out there. But I must keep trying and remember now to keep the focus so I will be ready if and when the time comes for me to actually leave. If you or anyone else is serious about this, you may want to write out a "prime-directive" for yourself. Peace in wisdom, James Truthseeker Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 11:05 am:        running away from a problem does not make the problem go away. i think this ww3 thing is cut down the middle like this, there are those who understand that if a war happens it is logical to face the adversity or chalange and learn from it... while others wish to be swept away and given opportunities from all around. the oportunity to die should be no less desired then the oportunity to be reborn. fear is a monkey and the city is a jungle. when you find out what the banana is, the monkey is then easily kept in check. hello truth seeker if you are seeking help or some way off this planet, consider this... what makes you better then the next person. for one you doubt yourself. if i were an et i would say "if this human does not have the confidence in his ability to communicate, there must be something wrong" lets say maybe... fear? "I still would like to leave Earth for good, because that is my ultimate goal in life" ultimate goals or whatever people call their desires, usually involve somekind of benefit wether it be material or spiritual... what do you wish to gain from leaving earth? i believe we are here because before we reincarnated it was decided in some way or another that this planet is suitable for our perticular level of spirit forms. if you dont like it on earth, why dont you go in and see who you can find that might share your goal. evacuation right? that is what you want? "Remember we always have a responsibility to the people on the planet in which we live." you said it. so take some responsibility and quit running from your fears. i would rather die with a bullet in my head in the name of trying to make peaceful the earth i live on, rather than take off into space and wait to come visit when things are better. to live in a castle you have to be prepared to stand guard even if these are fortified 50 foot high walls, support is vital. i aint trying to pick a fight, i'm trying to understand why you feel so ready to run. now i know that since a person who studies figu materials with heart, are setting themselves up for higher evolution... but i ask, are all the people who read figu, live figu? do you live it or do you read it? please give me your comments. if wishes were fishes we'd never go hungrey ------------------------------------------------ "Speaking for myself, I don't fear death--I know I will live again. What I want to avoid is a meaningless death, and a meaningless destruction of this planet." hey hunter, in my opinion there is no such thing as a meaningless death. death means it's time to process and combine, and prepare for life. one who is not afraid of death is one who thinks logically. and if one thinks in a logic manner than that person would see that rather than fleeing in hopes there will be something to come back to, this person will stay and try to find a solution to the problems at hand. just my opinions, comments are welcome. i'm guessing that as the weeks go by peoples frustration of ww3 will be growing, so lets deal with the virus before it spreads into an epidemic;) Hunter Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 11:58 am:        James, Don't worry, my friend, I'm calm. I was just joking around a little and venting--it was meant to be light-hearted. Sure, I really would like to leave. But it's just not going to be possible. Unfortunately, we're stuck here and I don't think WW3 can be stopped at this point. Please let me know about your investigations into the other 2 alleged contactees. By the way, which country are they located in? I would like to know the details about their reasons for making contacts--especially if they are also concerned about our potential destruction. Namaste, Hunter Hunter Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 09:26 am:        James, Don't worry, my friend, I'm calm. I was just venting a little--meant it in a joking manner. In the end, we have to deal with whatever manifests, so we just have to make the best of it. But let me know how your research goes with the other 2 alleged contactees. Where are they located by the way? I think the Plejarens have said there were a few other legitimate contactees, so it would be interesting if they're for real and you could meet them. Hello Everyone, Please stick to the Topic Area WWWIII-Thanks Moderator Peter, That's a good point. There have been countless untimely deaths in the universe, and the cycles of Creation just keep moving. I just wish Earth was as developed as Erra, you know? And we weren't facing WW3. But, we're not the first planet to face a catastrophe, that's for sure. I think it gets to be a lot more frustrating for those of us who see the truth and know that the path we are on will lead to widespread destruction unless people change their thinking. Which doesn't look likely. Truthseeker Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 11:58 am:        Moderator, can you create a new topic string from here called, "People who want to leave Earth" and post all the necessary posts from here into there. Thanks! Greetings Peter, First of all I like to say the I'm not wanting to leave this planet out of just fear of world war 3 as say like is expressed by Hunter. No, I made that decision long before I even read about world war 3 dangers in Billy's contact notes. My reasons for leaving Earth on a UFO are rather much more personal then that. As I've said many times before, "Cars, Bars and Beer are just not me". There are many things on and about this planet which just do not interest me when I know there are much better things in the universe. In fact, I'd rather live a more peaceful existence on some other world then have Bill Gates bank account! The list goes on and on as I'm simply tired of all the; crime, wars, murder, overpopulation, dysfunctional abuse in families, dysfunctional relationships, diseases, violence, New Age nonsense, religious nonsense, money and peoples continual pursuit of it, peoples self importance in always trying to make an impression on others, corporate dictatorship, destruction and exploitation of the environment and of people, prostitution, overpopulation, genetically defected human bodies with altered genes, peoples addictions with drugs, smoking and alcohol, teen violence, etc, etc, etc... The Plejarens through Billy's contact notes also gives a very long list of these things, but even long before I read about it, I always felt that as far as Earth goes, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! Imagine what it's like to be promised as a kid that you'll receive a box of doughnuts when you reach adulthood, only to find later that when you get your doughnuts, they all taste like smoke! Such is Earth, right? I find most people here on this planet to be "Thrill Seekers" and therefor they would have it no other way, but the Earth human way of life does not interest me when I know for myself there are far better places in the universe and way more good people to meet out there then here. Most people can't conceive my thoughts in the matter, in that being here on Earth for as long as I can remember JUST FELT WRONG and now we have yet an additional problem of world war 3! It's as Billy said in the contact notes, "Earth is not interesting to the majority of ET civilizations". I feel the same way about it and people just don't understand that. I will do what-ever I can to get off Earth. I'm not the "Earth thrill seeker", in the way most people are. This earth feels very uncomfortable, because it just isn't me. I never said I was better then the next person, I was stating that people on other planets, do not always need to "try and make an impression of themselves on others as people do here on Earth in their communication mind games". I know I will be fine in my communications with the ETs, but I feel I always would like to be even better, as an assurance to not cause any misunderstandings with them if I'm going to make this work. SO again it's not just about world war 3 as much as I also believe in preserving my own life. Also if I'm going to leave Earth, I want to take my bones with me. James Truthseeker Hello James, After discussing this with the other moderators, it was decided to hold off on the creation of a new topic area at this time. Thanks for your understanding-Scott Hunter Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, July 04, 2004 - 11:57 am:        Below is a quote from another post made earlier by Mr._ Suzuki in another thread: "Mr. Meier, According to the Henoch prophecies, fighter-clones will be used in WWIII. If this war begins in 2006, 2010 or 2011, and lasts 3 years and 11 months, these fighter clones would have to be alive and among us now. It was not indicated from what country they would come, but the US seems the logical suspect because of the technology and money required. Because of their severe nature (killer machines with a total lack of conscience) and the public outcry that would result if their existence were known, they must be living and training in secrecy. There has been much conjecture in the alternative press about underground bases and concentration-camp-like facilities in the US that could be used to house these individuals. My question is this: Are the fighter-clones based in the US and do you know of their whereabouts? Thank you." I think he raises a very significant issue when he states that these clones would have to be alive right now if the war is to take place in the next few years. Well, they are more than just clones--they are genetically manipulated to be more violent and less feeling. While it may be hard to believe that we would possess the technology to do this today--the simple fact is that many discoveries made by government/military scientists could easily be kept secret and thus remain unknown to the general public. Also, the Plejarens stated that the aging gene would be discovered shortly before the war begins, so this would lend credence to the possibility of our scientists altering human DNA. I also believe that the prophecies state they will inflict a great deal of destruction on the U.S.A., so I don't believe they're being constructed in America. But who can be sure--perhaps the method for their creation originated in America but was given to other countries--as was the case with nuclear/atomic technology. I just wonder how these scientists live with themselves--they know they are breeding humans without consciences. Are they misled to believe they will be used defensively? Still, who would believe this coming from the military? Namaste, Hunter Memo00 Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 06:40 am:        hi hunter, i personally think that this is not yet happening (of course i can be wrong) if you read the prophecies they talk about many things that should have already happened (for example it talks about settlements and undersea facilities which are not the same that submarines) (remember too that the war was originally intended to happen in 1984 and thats why the peace meditation started) in other words i think the world has changed and many prophecies will simply not come to be true (or maybe until many years in the future) take care Truthseeker Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 11:46 am:        Thanks Scott, We'll have to keep the "leave the Earth" idea in the topic area of world war 3, since it is a suggestion and thought should such a war actually take place. Greetings Memo00, Where did you get this idea that world war 3 was intended to happen in 1984 when in fact it was much later in 1987 that Billy was given the Enoch prophecies and then later still given yet more prophecies in 1995? Also it has been my understanding that the undersea settlements and facilities will be in relation to humanity meeting the "Ocean dwellers" in the very near future, sometime in the next few years before late 2010, should world war 3 not begin in November 2006. Now concerning clones, perhaps it is not a coincidence that a Raelian group called "Clone Aid" can be found not to far off from yet another place called "Area 51". www.clonaid.com -Truthseeker Memo00 Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 03:07 pm:        hi truthseeker in the book "and still they fly" page 275 you can find about that originally Billy thought the war would start in 1998 (according to calculations made of prophecies received in 1981 from the Petale level), but according to Quetzal´s research it would occur in fact some years earlier (in 1984) and thats why the peace meditation started that year . . . as far as i know Raelians are just a sect that make money from their ignorant followers with false promises "Clon Aid" suposedly cloned human beings, but they never offered scientific proof i have no doubt that it is very possible that the there can be some clones in this planet, but not necesarily created by that sect and not necessarily for making an army of "zombies" Edward Member Post Number: 395 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2004 - 03:43 am:        Hi All... As if Music To My Ears!!! The head of the International Nuclear Agency, Mr. Mohammed ElBaradei... is going to Israel today to talk about the country's Nuclear weapons! Mr.ElBaradei wishes that Israel Disarm it's Nuclear Weapons..immediately! The Israeli government has always Dined..that their country are in possession of such weapons!(So Mr. Vanunu - Israeli's well known Nuclear Engineer! Who Rank the Bell!! - ...sat all those years in Jail...For Nothing!!???---NOT!!! WELL DONE Mr.Vanunu (Mr.Vanunu most be very Happy with this Great NEWS!!) As it is estimated that Israel is in possession of some 150-200 Nuclear WAR-HEADS! Enough to Disintegrate...The Whole Middle East!! And Israel being the only country that did Not sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Finally...JUSTICE is being done! ALL Countries on our Globe... should be Inspected for these Weapons Of MASS Destruction. Something Mr.Sharon is Truly Not Looking forward to. This is a Good Chance for the government of Israel to make a justified and Healthy decision for it's country's future and the surrounding neighbors; thus will lead to Less Chance that Israel May/Will...be "Annihilated"(which is Part of the World War Three Scenario...as Billy and the Plejarans have mentioned!)...by it's OWN Nuclear Weapons of MASS Destruction! - Because of its Own "Stubbornness". Peace to ALL Creatures of Creation. Edward. Truthseeker Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2004 - 11:05 am:        Greetings Memo00 I was thinking that "Clone Aid" even-though part of a UFO cult or sect, was financed by the black-opps from places like Area 51 to release to the public the idea of human cloning via news media networks. I Also remember from the Steven's translated contact notes that because of events that where to happen in the early 80's, there was a real danger of world war 3. I believe it was in contact 115. Billy may have got the year 1998 from the Edgar Cayce prophecies but probably without realizing that these prophecies were events leading up to world war 3 beginning with a slight shifting of the Earth's poles which still continue to happen today. Of course none of us realized that at the time since the Cayce prophecies were not specific. -Truthseeker Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, July 07, 2004 - 07:40 pm:        Hi All: You ought to read the following article from today's Christian Science Monitor. It is on the "Christian Zionists" and their current influence. http://csmonitor.com/2004/0707/p15s01-lire.html Peace Eric Hunter Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 07:12 am:        Eric, Yes, these Christian Zionists are truly a negative influence. They believe that the destruction of the earth is nothing to worry about, since their messiah will return during "the rapture" and magically save all of them. To counteract their influence, I would recommend to others to contribute money and time to groups who support neutrality for the U.S. and have nothing to do with any particular religion. We all need to become more politically involved because, I guarantee you, these Zionists will stop at nothing to bring about their "prophetic" visions. Namaste, Hunter Michael_d Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 10:11 pm:        Edward, Were you able to put the cork back in the champagne bottle? Don’t you realize the Israelis are above the law (both man-made and Creational). Sorry to be a party-pooper. Michael_d Edward Member Post Number: 396 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 03:10 pm:        Hi Michael_d....... HIK..... Very perceptive of you! And very well said. They are Truly getting No Where there..alas Now they are Afraid that when Jassar Arafat dies of the Chaos that will arise there. Edward. Edward Member Post Number: 405 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 01:21 am:        Hi All.... I though you may want to know: It seems that Osama Bin Laden made a statement, a while back.. saying that he wanted a Dialog. He wanted to reason...and Stop All The Bloodshed. Ofcourse the Dialog consisted of: that all foreign troops pull out of occupying Afghanistan and Iraq...and other occupied Arab countries; and some other negotiable matters. But of course...the reaction to this proposal by the US running government and European Allies was.. "NO"...and they(both) did not want to negotiate with terrorists...was their story(as usually). Thus, in reaction here of...was that the West will have to take responsibility for the coming 'Actions and Consequences'! I guess there is No more room for "Reason"...alas. Thus, pity to say...it may all even get Worse. If the Bush Oil Administration and Allies think that can Root-Out all Terrorism...as they say....well ....They are Truly living in a Dream. As I always say: " A Dream is just a Dream...and thus....Not Reality. A Dream is just Temporarily. And Reality can be a Nightmare! ". Peace to All Creatures of Creation...and The Stubborn Ones....with a Consciousness Smaller than that of a Microbe. Edward. Mhurley Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 08:30 am:        Hi Edward If you were the US President how would you rid the world of terrorism? Matt Edward Member Post Number: 406 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 04:09 am:        Hi Matt..... First of all...the War...is an "Illegal" act. It was not granted by the UN and others to be put into (full) action. It was just a "Personal" BUSH(and Co) Vendetta(and not to foreget the BLACK GOLD - OIL). There are even European politicians that wanted to get out of Iraq...because they Know it's a "WAR CRIME". If there were a TRUE WORLD COURT..THEY ...would ALL Hang...so to speak. But Knowing and seeing that they are put under great pressure..they go along with the now Dictating US government. Thus, they can still get OUT...but do not choose to. Thus, we can make up here from...that it was an act of "State Terrorism"...and ofcourse its response is "Civilian Terrorism"; which is just an Effect to the Cause. But ofcourse..there is more TO IT...as you may know. No matter what the case is...there could still be room to/for "REASON". But seeing that there are more and other Factors that play a role here (Revenge, Self Interests...etc..)...They.. the running US government choose still...to "MIS-USE"...it's Power Position/Structure, as from the start, and will do so it seems no matter what. It makes me think of the times concerning the Native Indians. Why not choose smoking the Peace Pipe? But than again, eventhough the Peace-Pipe was smoked(over and over) and there were some 500-600 agreements and treaties signed..- ALL agreements and treaties were BROKEN....in no time - . Thus, it seems we are dealing with the same government Attitude..as then...when it gets to the point..alas. Will and can they keep their WORD?? Still...REASON..would still be the Only way...to stop ALL the Bloodshed. That is WHY....there are so may wars on our planet; People just do NOT REASON! And if they Do Talk...it would be "WAR TALK"! The Macho Attitude! As Quetzal mentioned over and over...it would be feasible for ALL US forces to Pull-Out..wherever they are stationed(and Allies would be feasible also). I would think that there would still be a way to negotiate and that something "Positive" would be generated...and here from Peace will be Created for Both sides. They Both...just have to utilize their POSITIVE Creativity and Not their Negative Creativity to make this come into Realization. As John Lennon once said: " All we are saying is..'GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!''" But alas, the situation today...is to "GIVE WAR A CHANCE!" Many destruction may have come to a minimum by the steps that have been taken(which is positive)...but does not mean they will cease to stop. If the steps are taken in a defensive way - without Violence - man is utilizing mans True Positive Creative Powers, but...if in a manner as to a MASS Offence, will...that's another story. Which will only Generate and "Escalate" the actions...to a Nightmare. Both Parties should "Call Off The Dogs"..as the saying goes. But alas...Revenge and OIL...are the priorities...for the Invading countries. And Both sides are make many many civilian casualties; just last night there was a very very good German/BBC documentary concerning the precise US rockets(and Allies) which are URANIUM loaded...for it do its accomplishments. From the first Gulf War...till now...there have been hundreds...if not...Thousands of men, women and children that have died from Contamination, and not to foreget babies being born with all sorts of Tumors, Bodily defects...etc.. And the fathers and mothers are blaming each other for being contaminated hereby...which alas..breaks-up their marriages. And Still going! It seems that a great deal of water and crops have been contaminated and the populations in these contaminated areas will die of CANCER of some kind; thus, even a year after, today..the areas that have been bombarded with the same rockets will be contaminated and contaminated the people. This is old news for me as I was aware of this when these rockets were used in Sarajevo and the Balkan countries(not to foreget Afghanistan) when the US and Allies bombarded the surrounds; as result, the people were also contaminated as the mentioned above! That is one reason, WHY the NATO did Not want to send ground-troops! When they Knew...it was Not Safe! And the US government...saying over and over...it can do No harm; well, they must Examine the TRUE FACTS! It even seems to be a WAR CRIME to utilize such weaponry in civilian populated areas(just as with the Cluster Bombs). But still...they are being used! If the World Arms situation were put into a Constructive Scenario, in other words: utilizing a Constructive UN Global Peace Keeping Force(s) (as Billy made very clear)which carry out True Juridical Actions and not just like our Conventional Standard Armies which are there just to go out and fight(: because the President Said SO!), this may/can bear good fruit. And coordinated Neutrally. The War now...is just a War of "CHAOS". Everybody is Killing EVERYBODY! It can Not even be called a WAR to me! Its just Revenge after revenge...after REVENGE! Innocent men, women and their children, thus, civilians - WHICH IS A WAR CRIME.. to whom ever brings this to realization. Well, above is just to mention WHY...we SHOULD "REASON" when we Still...have the Chance. Billy and the Plejarans have made everything More than Very Clear to us of the Consequences..when it gets to a point that it would get out of hand...and to 'The Point Of No Return!' Thus, I would rather Peace-Talk...than to WAR-talk...if this would be for the advantage and Betterment of ALL MAN KIND...and All Creatures of Creation. We do Not have to let our Reality...become a Nightmare... But we must understand that we are Not living in a Dream(World). Let Reality Be...Reality, not a Dream nor Nightmare. Again, the final answer would Still...be to "REASON". What better advice can we get from a Wise and Knowledgeable Being as our Dear Billy. And as you know...Violence...generates...More Violence. Violence would be The Last resource. Not? One does Not(always) have to Stop a Prophecy from happening with Violence! In the contrary: It would be an ART...to Stop it from happening with "REASON". And this would be something very Special. Thus, Let us be Diplomatic...and Not War-Hungry. A president should be Diplomatic and Not War-Hungry(Monger) as a Dictator. If a president is not Diplomatic...he has No Right to occupy a Presidential Diplomatic position! There is No use...in playing Cowboys and Indians...again. (PS: sorry moderators...that I did not keep it short...but Thank You for your Understanding......) Edward. Hunter Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 12:33 pm:        Matt, You first have to understand that your request is impossible, if one views terrorism as violence. Violence is going to exist--we are simply not developed enough to have a utopian society. However, terrorism and violence can be greatly reduced if the U.S. will stop meddling in the affairs of other countries and bring all its troops back to America. I heard a great idea from a libertarian writer (forgot his name) last week--he recommended that the Constitution be amended to allow for a national referendum to decide whether or not the country should go to war. But the kicker is--all of those who vote to go to war, if the majority prevails, must immediately enlist in the military to fight in the war. I like that idea--it should definitely quiet some of the "war fever". We should also have a neutrality amendment--to keep the country neutral much in the same way Switzerland remains neutral. And we should model our national defense after the Swiss. People are much less likely to attack you if you're not bothering them--this is simply the law of cause and effect. And it's why you don't see Switzerland as a target of terrorists--they have no reason to attack them because the Swiss aren't trying to interfere in their affairs--they don't have troops in their countries--and they don't supply Isreal with weapons. Namaste, Hunter Scott Moderator Post Number: 540 Registered: 07-2000 Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 06:14 pm:        Hello, I must ask, is the terrorist threat real or not (in the US). What better way to keep people on edge and dependent on the Government then to keep them in a state of confusion. One day its ok, the next were jumping up to condition orange, then back down again.... Of course there are those who would say, that I would rather be warned than not...but how sure is anyone of the truthfulness of any warning whatsoever? How many times have we been warned about an imminent threat, but the details etc. are never revealed? I guess it’s for our own best interest not to know who is threatening us and who is? Sounds pretty confusing to me... How sure is anyone of anything, the only thing anyone knows for sure is that the twin towers were hit, beyond that all we know is what the media presents to us. What is a "terrorist organization", where do they receive their funding? Are they as big of a threat as we have been led to believe? How can people on the other side of the world cause such upheaval, that our Government must take such drastic measures to ensure our safety? I just hope that our current Government doesn’t try and pull something before the national election to ensure the powers that be will continue to remain in their coveted positions. Thanks for listening Scott Mhurley Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 12:12 am:        Hi All, I don't think "reason" works with terrorists - that's living in cuckoo land. One of the points I want to make is that it's very easy to slag off people (like Bush) without coming up with realistic alternative solutions. I don't necessarily support Bush's actions. There were no WMD but I think Saddam would have wanted them so its a case of being nipped in the bud. Western countries entering Arab countries no doubt inflames things. Alternatives like sanctions were applied to Iraq for many years had little effect on the thinking of the leadership. Matt Hunter Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 01:39 pm:        Matt, I think you really need to look at your thinking processes. You say "reason doesn't work with terrorists." But what are terrorists? How do you define the word terrorist? Are "terrorists" not human beings? Are they therefore not capable of rational thought on some level? I'm reminded of a Shakespearean quote--altered a bit--prick them, do they not bleed? Governments always want to dehumanize "the enemy" to vindicate their wars. To the Arabs these individuals are not terrorists. They are guerilla soldiers fighting agaist an empire. They are freedom fighters trying to stop the Christian occupation of Muslim lands. Now, these views may not be entirely accurate, but do you see how the context can make a difference? You have to look at things from their side too. Some of these people may have lost loved ones during american missile strikes--for example when Bill Clinton fired missiles to deflect attention away from the Lewinsky scandal--innocent people were killed during those strikes. Were the twin towers destroyed as revenge for those strikes? Were they destroyed as retaliation for the Palestinian lives lost in Isreal? Ever see the movie The Matrix? What did the machine world call Morpheus, Neo, and the "freedom fighters"? They were called terrorists inside the computer generated dream world. When you say America had to do something about Saddam. You're forgetting that it was America who primarily armed Saddam's regime--thinking Iran to be the greater threat at the time. So, our first intervention actually caused our later interventions. Do you see how interference can become a never ending cycle? Violence begets violence. Would it be moral for you to decide that your neighbor, Mr. Smith, was probably going to hurt someone some day and you believed there was enough evidence for you to take action. Legally, what would happen to you if you went to Mr. Smith's house and physically assaulted him to prevent him from harming anyone in the future? You would be charged with a crime because a "preemptive strike" would be an illegal act. You say we're "nipp(ing) it in the bud". But has the violence in Iraq stopped? No, and I've got news for you--it's not going to stop any time soon. There are more people dying in Iraq on a daily basis now than there were dying under Saddam's regime. In addition, this war has incited the Arab world and they are going to fight this out to the end. We nipped nothing in the bud. I'm afraid this is a spark that's going to start a much larger fire. Regarding sanctions, the only thing they accomplished was to give the APPEARANCE that Saddam was being punished. The common people were the only ones hurt by the sanctions. And again, they would have never been necessary had the U.S. government not armed Iraq in the first place. Namaste, Hunter Hunter Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 04:45 pm:        36 Ways The United States is Losing the War on Terror http://www.antiwar.com/utley/?articleid=3234 Edward Member Post Number: 408 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Friday, August 06, 2004 - 12:53 am:        Hi Scott.... Well...if its True or Not?? Well...I'll let you decide for your self...ofcourse. Just last week; I don't know if it was Belgian,BBC...or German television or others; but there was a coverage about some leader, to me unknown, in one of the surrounding Arabic countries that was rallying volunteers to go and help Liberate Afghanistan and Iraq from the Occupying Western forces. Well, I must tell you...the images looked very very Horrifying! Then One could see the camera pan into the crow and there were surely some 3000-4000 people cheering and ready to go...if they get the chance! And to even go Abroad!!! Even Australia..was mentioned some time back in another coverage. Seeing Australia as a "Extension" of the USA...and not to foreget Israel!! And Mr.Sharon has Doubled his protection because not only the Liberating Militants are after him...but...Also...his OWN People! "Jewish Orthodox" Radicals...want to Kill him and Blow him up...they mentioned. The commentator estimated between the 6000-7000 crowd. And the commentator even mentioned that "This is something we(Westerns) have to think about". He too...found it very disturbing and frightening to see. I would agree with him....from seeing the images. It seems that this is just one event of the so MANY...he had encountered during his coverage's! And that I too...had seen on the television. Seems like The Party...is just starting! Sorry to express myself this way. But there's gonna be A LOT of FIREWORKS...if NO One comes "TO REASON!" I guess...its just "The TIMING"! The Bush Oil Administration can make GOOD USE of it! It would be in his advantage...pity to say. Thats what we get being "BUSHWHACKED"...for the Second Time!! Just as he mentioned a time back..at a rally; "Where's my GUIDE...where is it??" He asked someone....and that person handed him HIS GUIDE - "THE BIBLE" -. And you should have SEEN HIS SMILE on his face! And HIS EYES!! "This IS MY GUIDE....THIS IS MY GUIDE...." he said over and over! Very Horrifying!! And him saying many times in the past that Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein are Fundamentalists and do not represent GOD/ALLAH! Well...I Wonder Who the Biggest FUNDAMENTALIST Truly IS!???... And Doing Everything IN THE NAME OF (HIS) GOD!?? I think this would be easy to answer. Peace To ALL Creatures Of Creation... Edward. Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Friday, August 06, 2004 - 08:17 pm:        Hello all! Back from vacation. Glad to see the board being so active. Terrorism could be easily prevented by understanding the root cause of it using reason and logic, not emotions and honor and retaliation. For this, you need leaders that are real human beings and care for human life, and for the common well being. You have instead one leader (Bush) of the world nuclear superpower that is taking anti-depression drugs and is diagnosed as a paranoid maniac (thanks Hunter! ...) That can`t help. Terrorism should be seen as a disease. You cure a disease when you have the right diagnosis, not by fighting a war against it. I did in another thread a text called "peace for Dummies", a step by step procedure to really reduce tensions and terrorism. Unfortuntely, all western nations politician lack courage to proceed in a logic manner (even France) Also, to answer another questions, economic sanctions really works if there are seriously applied. Proof= South Africa apartheid regime. (They even disarmed their nuclear weapons that they develpoed jointly with Israel) Saddam Hussein could have been removed without war rather easily, there was no political eagerness to proceed this way in the 1990s. Robert Baer (ex- CIa officer) wrote a book a failed coup againt Saddam in 1995, for instance. The real reasons for the Iraq War are 1) oil (reduce dependency on Saudi Arabia) 2) eliminate the threat that Iraq caused on the Israel State 3) The fact that the current president is unsane and suffer a inferiorty complex vis a vis his father, he wanted to show he is better than his father and finish the job started in 1990. 4) power, influence of the USA in Middle East, This is driven by the "NeoCons" clique surrouding the puppet G.W. Bush (Seymour Hersh position) 5) money, Halliburton , Bechtel and co, 6) not the least, the sectarian belief of Bush and a portion of his electors that Islam is threat to Christianity, and also that Israel is god given land (the Christian Zionists) and must be given back all land according to their religion. Having removed Saddam through sanctions would not have achieved this. Unfortunatey, nobody is addressing this situation is a logical, common sense manner (or some leaders in wester countries don`t want to address it as they want to preserve good commercial relations with the USA, as it is the case with Canada currently) Peace Eric Chrisrowley Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2003 Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 12:30 am:        Salome friends of FIGU. The events of 911 are viewed still as an US vs. THEM mindset. I ask that the participants of this thread step back and take a much lower level view of the events forthcoming and ensuing from 911 by reading the following blog http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html. And as always let humor guide you when enlightenment may leave you dysfunctionally illusioned. Hunter Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 02:44 pm:        Cato on the Evils of War and Standing Armies http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance18.html Hunter Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 06:10 pm:        Some observations on the 251st contact and the Henoch Prophecies: I think the events that culminate in World War 3 may be actually 20 to 40 years away instead of 4 or 6. Consider that the Plejarens said “a new and extremely destructive weapon will be built that will produce disastrous consequences in the next world war” and “new weapons will again create quite a stir” as one of the “last danger signs.” Also, “mankind will fail in its attempt to protest and boycott the new deadly weapons”. While there has been much talk of weapons of mass destruction (nuclear, biological, and chemical) during the past two years, these weapons are far from new. What the Plejarens seem to be saying is there will be a completely new weapon(s) (laser weapons have been mentioned before). Also, the existence of the new weapon(s) must be public well before World War 3 actually begins as it creates “quite a stir” and people have time to organize to “protest and boycott.” If new weapons have been developed recently, there certainly hasn’t been a widespread announcement by the media. Also consider that there will be 2 more Popes before WW3 breaks out. Since John Paul II has been “in office” for over twenty years, it is possible that the final two Popes could have similarly lengthy terms. The cloned warriors, as detailed in the Henoch Prophecies, also have to be considered in projecting the time frame of the war. While it’s true that they will obviously be created in secret (otherwise the Plejarens would undoubtedly mention protests and boycotts against them), I don’t believe we’ve advanced far enough yet in genetics to manipulate the DNA of humans. I could be wrong, it’s definitely going to happen at some point in the near future as scientists will continue to experiment and make discoveries, but this requires a big step beyond actual cloning. And of course you also have to add several years to the time frame as the clones will most likely be at least 18 years of age when deployed. The Henoch Prophecies also state “The insanity of war will extend not only across the land, but the disaster will equally be spread to the oceans, into the atmosphere, even into outer space. But there will also be settlements under the ocean that will be developed in the course of the future and these will be attacked and destroyed, claiming the lives of many thousands of people. However, a certain maelstrom of destruction will also originate from the undersea facilities; because in the cities at the bottom of the ocean, groups of submarine pirates will be formed which will burst upwards from the depths of the ocean and will become involved in destructive actions of combat with naval units on the surface.” Now, if the prophecies had said “military bases under the ocean” we could speculate that they might already exist in secret, but the word “settlements” seems to imply that private citizens will be living there, therefore one would think that the media would have full knowledge. I don’t know of any group or country that is even planning to build undersea settlements. This has to be several years away as the settlements would have to be proven to be safe for some time in order for “many thousands” of people to want to live there. Any comments? Marc Moderator Post Number: 182 Registered: 10-2000 Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 09:04 am:        Hi Hunter, One of the most recent answers in the Q&A section regarding the cloned warriors if you haven't seen it yet: (WWIII is not yet a sure thing.) The production of fighter-clones for warfare and secret missions etc. has started some 30 years ago by secret services etc. The term "fighter-clones" is not limited to genetic origin only, but also to the result of the use of drugs, brain surgery and chemicals etc. in order to change a normally-conceived human being into a "killing machine" who has no conscience and who's inner inhibition to kill is blocked. As far as the popes, John Paul II is obviously quite frail nowadays and could depart this life very soon. And what if the term of the following pope should end prematurely (through death, etc.)? The pope after that one would coincide with the start of WWIII (i.e. it wouldn't be after the full term of the last pope, it would be during it, since he is prophesied to be the one to escape across the Atlantic). What I'm saying is, if these prophecies all fulfill themselves, it could be much sooner than even 20 years. Plus we (the unwashed public) are not privy to all the secret "new" weapons that are being created, so I wouldn't try too hard to look for this prophecy to be readily apparent, although the U.S. is already trying to secure funds for new mini-nukes which could easily qualify as a new and extremely destructive weapon. Also, settlements may not necessarily need thousands of people to live there, especially for "pirate groups", if the word settlements is indeed the correct translation. Regards, Marc Technod Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2003 Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 03:26 pm:        hi i have recently heard talks on how the HARP system in alaska is or is in the process of being used as a weapon usind sound frequencys .earthpulse.com brian Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 08:24 pm:        Hi dear Hunter and all: When it is said that "a new and extremely destructive weapon will be built that will produce disastrous consequences in the next world war ... criminal neglect to monitor Earth from space". It is clear to me this refers to the HAARP project, currently tested and operated by the US military in Alaska. I suggest you a search on FIGU site, Billy wrote very thorough article on this matter in a Figu Bulletin. If you carefully read news around the world from the internet, it is obvious that there is a renewed arm race among several countries as a consequence of the US current policy of pre-emptive strike and its attitude vis a vis Irak compared say to North Korea, Pakistan or Israel. Possessing nuclear weapon is seen by some countries as the only "deterrent" that may preclude any aggression against them. (Cause and Effect ...) So when you read that "A new hording of weapon stockpiles will follow at a time when the worldwide production of weaponry is accelerated once again", this is corroborated by today`s news every day since the last year or two. (not mentioned here the production of mini-nuke, authorized this year by the Bush Administration, which contribute to this acceleration of weapon production) Bear in mind that the US administration is going ahead with the SDI (missile shield) and try to bring allies under this umbrella. You should read articles on Steven Greer "Disclosure Project" to see what he thinks about this. This is criticized in many countries, for instance Canada . Sounds like "New weapons will once again create a stir" no? Need to do peace meditation more than ever... Need to also to remove the morons and the irresponsibles from their position of power when it is still time.... Salome Eric Hunter Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2004 - 03:49 pm:        Marc/Eric/Technod: Good points all. Marc, the description that Billy gives in his latest explanation of the “clones” would make it more feasible for current technology, so I would definitely have to agree that it would be possible. As for the new weapon, the HAARP project could qualify, but there still doesn’t seem to be widespread knowledge about its existence. Also the red mercury nukes I just read about for the first time last week are another possibility, see: http://www.rense.com/general57/red.htm Mini-nukes and SDI could also qualify I suppose—but they seem more like variations rather than completely new weapons. I would also have to agree with you about the translations. If “settlement” is an incorrect translation, for “base”, “stronghold”, etc., then such places could already exist. I could also see “pirates” being a mistranslation for “mercenaries” or the like—meaning these “settlements” would be military in nature, and thus would most likely have been built in secret. Let’s hope the work to bring about a change in the prophecies is successful. Namaste, Hunter Hunter Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 08:48 am:        Air Force pursuing antimatter weapons http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/10/04/MNGM393GPK1.DTL Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 06:53 pm:        Hi all: Yasser Arafat is presently very sick (in today`s news), and there are assassination threats to Ariel Sharon (vote for Gaza strip retreat held yesterday with lot of controversy). Keep watching also what may happen to Musharraf and Bush (the outcome of the US election). Let`s hope morons will be voted out of office next week. Salome Eric Phoenix_2003 New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2003 Posted on Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 10:31 am:        Hello everybody, I have some question about Third World War. I read on www.figu.org that WWIII will start at 2003, 2006, 2010, or 2011. (I understand that it is not the topic of this section of forum, but I didn’n find eny section namen Third World War, I am sorry.) I don’t know what I should do. If we know that it will happen than we can stop it by using power, by demonstrations or by something like that. There are some states (like USA, Russia, Izrael or China) witch will proverbly begin this war. I think there is hight provebility that it will be China (Nostradamus prothecy talks about some “red ones” witch will atack Evrope.). Have you ever hear about the prothecy of Hopi tribe? It’s a prophecy witch predicted all world wars (frist, second, third and fourth). I read Nostradamus’s properties too. I must say that I some parts that prophecyes say saim things (for exampel in parts about WWIII) – that’s the reson I belive Billy. So is possible to stop the war by using power? Adam Hi Adam, I have moved your post to the WWWIII topic area. Moderator Michael_d Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 01:00 pm:        Moderator: Note that this posting has been modified on 11/5/2004 per the poster's request. As stated in Contact 251, The Henoch Prophecies, an excerpt from Bulletin No. 46 and Your Questions to Billy Meier-Answered: 1.) Third World War will begin in November of a specific year, after 5 years of intensive effort are spent reaching this goal which is preceded by 4 years of unspecified preparations. 2.) Third World War will begin in 2003, 2006, 2010 or 2011. 3.) New weapons will once again create quite a stir, and so will the death of 4 heads of state who will die within 7 days from each other. These then are the last danger signs, which foretell that within merely 2 years of these events the long-feared world war will indeed erupt… 4.) After the turn of the millennium, the papacy will exist only a short period. Pope John Paul II is the third-from-last in this position. After him, only one additional pontificate will follow. 5.) Question to Billy: Second, if President Bush is not re-elected this fall, is the likelihood reduced of WWIII commencing in 2006 and, if so, by what probability? Billy's Answer: It is reduced. However, there are other scoundrels (Halunken) living on this Earth (in high positions) who have their influence in this matter. Regarding President Bush it is to say that it is not him alone, but the US Government and the US American craving for world domination. Only if the USA withdraw from all foreign countries is there a real good chance that the threat is reduced. Comments/Questions: A.) Arafat is very close to passing from this world from a “mystery” ailment. B.) Observing the condition of Pope John Paul II, it is hard to imagine he will still be among the living towards 2010 or 2011. C.) Did intensive efforts towards arming for WWIII begin in 2001 in response to the terrorist attacks in NYC and Washington, D.C.? D.) If this month four heads of state do not die within 7 days of each other, is the world safe from the outbreak of WWIII until at least 2010? Marc Moderator Post Number: 185 Registered: 10-2000 Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 03:10 pm:        Hi Michael, Just an observation on what you quoted: 3.) New weapons will once again create quite a stir, and so will the death of 4 heads of state who will die within 7 days from each other. To me, the phrase "from each other" implies that one head of state would die, then another within 7 days of him/her, and another within 7 days of the last one, etc. This could span up to four weeks, theoretically. Interestingly, the original German version (from the same contact 251) doesn't seem to have that phrase "from each other": "Und wieder werden neue Waffen von sich reden machen, wie auch der Tod von vier Staatsoberhäuptern, die innerhalb von sieben Tagen den Tod finden werden. Instead, it appears to say literally (in bold) that they "will find their death within (or 'inside of') seven days", meaning all four die within a week. Marc Truthseeker Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 04:28 am:        Greetings Marc, I remember my copy of the 251st contact English translation saying that 4 heads of state will die within 7 days. NOT from each other. MJ: I looked at two copies of Contact 251: The one on www.figu.org and the one on www.billymeier.com/Contacts/Contact251.html. They both say "from each other." I'm curious why your translation would be different. Also you may want to correct a typing error in your last line which should read: "meaning all four die within a week". MJ: Thanks. I corrected it. Truthseeker Truthseeker Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 11:59 pm:        Greetings Marc, As it turns out, my copy also says "from each other", but as many times as I've read this, I don't remember reading that part of it, however this is probably because in the statement itself it says "within 7 days from each other", rather then saying "7 days apart from each other'. Truthseeker Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 06:53 pm:        Hi: I hope nothing happens tomorrow in Egypt at the Arafat funeral with all these heads of state in a country known to harbour islamist terrorist. I joined the peace meditation last weekend, and Enjoyed it b.t.w. ... Salome Eric Hunter Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 10:55 am:        From the Henoch Prophecies: "And at this time, the possibility could become reality that extraterrestrial forces intervene against the Western industrialised countries, because these will be responsible for the extreme and enormous disaster of the coming evil times. These extraterrestrial forces will give up their anonymity and their state of secrecy and will assist those who are being terrorised by the irresponsibly acting Western countries, should this possibility become reality." This might be the only positive thing to come out of a potential WW3. But it's doubtful any intervention will happen. I would just love to see the Plejarens broadcast their views to every TV station in the world. Just broadcast the truth and nullify all the false propaganda that the politicians and the media get away with. But I know it's not going to happen. I guess I just don't fully understand why (or maybe I just don't want to accept it). Let all these nutcase religious fundamentalists see the truth on their own TVs. Let journalists interview the Plejarens and plaster it all over every newspaper and website. Let them land publicly. Sure, the future dynamics of everything would change, but at least people couldn't deny it. (You would turn the tables and those who deny such an obvious thing would then be ridiculed). Or better, I would love to see them take control of the U.S. and occupy it (I'm sure the Plejarens probably have some type of device or instrument that could nullify the atomic warheads before they go off. It would be funny to see the faces of the world leaders if they realized that is a fact.) They could then establish a government based on Creational truths--but state that they'll only stay until the interim government is stable--LOL. Then you would witness America's hypocrisy as the current government would resist it. (It's good for Iraq, but not them) Again, the dynamics of future events would change, but at least we would stop World War 3. I do understand the principle of non-intervention in general, but I just think we're in such bad shape here that we need a bigger wake up call. Too many people have attacked or persecuted anybody who believes in UFOs to paint them as crazy or mentally unstable and now we've been marginalized. And there are so many false contactees out there, that anyone who is open-minded enough to try to find the truth has a hard time doing so because of all the deception. It's frustrating. I just wish there was an easier way to stop WW3 from happening. Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 06:04 pm:        "Let them land publicly. Sure, the future dynamics of everything would change, but at least people couldn't deny it" i think this takes away from a persons freewill in relation to how one percieves things, would you say? plus, we do not nkow how many enemies the plejarens have, or where they wait for chance. Mhurley Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 10:40 pm:        "And at this time, the possibility could become reality that extraterrestrial forces intervene against the Western industrialised countries, because these will be responsible for the extreme and enormous disaster of the coming evil times. These extraterrestrial forces will give up their anonymity and their state of secrecy and will assist those who are being terrorised by the irresponsibly acting Western countries, should this possibility become reality." Hi Hunter, I don't interpret this as being Plejarens. They are so far advanced I don't think they'll be meeting earth humans for several hundred more years yet.If the Plejarens were going to "intervene" then they would surely do this prior to WW3. I think not intervening is part of their "cosmic law code"} anyway. I think it refers to a lesser evolved race. Regards Matt Hunter Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2004 - 07:57 am:        "i think this takes away from a persons freewill in relation to how one percieves things, would you say? " Well, yes, Pete, but to me it seems like it would just be acquiring knowledge that one would learn later on. Of course, maybe the Plejarens know something we don't about knowledge coming too soon to a spiritform. There are definitely valid reasons why it has to happen as it's happening. I guess I'm just "thinking out loud" and asking if there's no way an exception can be made. I'm having a hard time with the contradiction of "the Plejarens can't do anything publicly that would cause a wide-spread undeniable look at the reality of UFO's, yet they acknowledge false beliefs and deception reign on earth." True free will (concerning spiritual learning) would suffer, but only at the expense it seems of exposing more people to Creational truths--which is positive spiritual learning. I am just really frustrated with Bush's re-election (or more so the American public's failure to look at political alternatives that would lead to true peace) and the state of the world in general. The thing is, most people I talk to here are just completely ignorant and they don't seem to want to learn anything too different from what they already believe. I'm just tired of constantly debating with people and trying to get them to open their eyes. (Maybe these feelings are being heightened because I have a fundamentalist televangelist on my TV right now. I want to yell at him "quit lying to everybody!" Just turned it off.) I just think it's going to take an "event" that people can't deny to open their minds. All I'm saying is, with the shape we're in (World War 3 possibility), something like a public landing--along with broadcasting their truths on every TV station--could change everyone's focus. That would then become the biggest news story of all time. As for the enemies of the Plejaren, if these enemies want to attack Earth we're sitting ducks either way if the Plejaren are out in the open or not. Maybe they do have a particularly strong enemy in this time frame that doesn't have the ability to locate them in their home dimension. I think they probably would have mentioned this to Billy if that was the case, but maybe not. I think if somebody wanted Earth they would have conquered it by now. We're not much of a threat to offer serious resistance. I know they've talked one group of extraterrestrials out of attacking earth, so they're obviously somewhat out in the open here--so I think if they had a formidable enemy they would have mentioned it to Billy--that they had to be careful about it. I wouldn't want the Plejaren to "put their necks on the line" for us, so if there is a danger from an enemy I wouldn't want them to stay long term and open themselves up to an unnecessary risk. However, they could make a landing and then leave and then just broadcast their truths periodically on the TV stations. But that won't happen unfortunately. Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2004 - 10:35 am:        hey hunter, "I'm just tired of constantly debating with people and trying to get them to open their eyes." if it tires you, then stop. excersise your freewill. in my opinion i think it would do you some good to focus on the beauty of a tree for a little while, rather than worying that you might not "make enough people see the truth" like your running to meet some deadline. i used to force issues on people often, but i have come to learn that monkey see monkey do, and those who see the happiness i get from such small things as watching a bird fly by my window, well it makes people curious in a friendly way. another thing is that knowing or should i say understanding what we understand about creation and all, i am surprised that people would even be allowing the thought of world war 3 into your heads. about the interventions and stuff like that... the plejarans already helped us avoid our destruction once at least, that's moer than anything anybody has done for anyone, in our time. hunter , i aint gonna judge you because i could be doing the PM a little more than the amount i'm doing now, but honestly, you stated your frustrastion with having to debate and all that, so why dont you shift your efforts into the peace meditation? if anything is going to prevent a war other than an et intervention, it will be the peace meditation. thanks Michael_d Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2004 - 01:05 pm:        Everyone has to walk his own path, no matter how painful and illogical that path may be. Man only learns by his mistakes. What would he learn if ET's landed and made everything right? Like an undisciplined child that screws things up as much as he pleases to the point of self-extinction -- mommy and daddy will always be there to bail him out. Hunter Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2004 - 07:25 pm:        Hey Pete, I'm back on schedule and doing the peace meditation, I just want to do more, you know? I know the peace meditation is probably the best thing we can do, but I always think about other ways to expose people to the truth. You're right in saying our focus should be on thoughts and thinking. I just wish the rest of this planet would focus on those two things as well... Mdaglioglu Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 10:04 pm:        Hi all, This is the excerpt from 251st contact. "...;while a woman gains a high and influential position among world powers through another group's formation." Is there any chance that this is Condoleezza Rice being secretary of states of USA? Peace Murat Dplotmach Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 05:26 am:        Hi, Wasn't the third world war possible in the years 2003, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012 and later to, not only '06 and '10? There hasn't been any head of states who has died yet, if there doesnt happen anything in tomorrow. Then we'll be safe to live our lives a couple of years in the future Dplot Mdaglioglu Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 01:44 pm:        Hi, This is an excerpt from A word to Third World War of Billy. "When I spoke in my bulletins of a prophecy that points to the years of 2003, 2006, 2010 and 2011, in which a third world war could become a possibility, it does not refer to a prediction but only to a prophecy." So 2008 is not a probability and instead of 2012, Billy has talked about 2011. Yasser Arafat has died on 11th. 7 days almost have been passed. And I know that WW3 will begin in November of a specific year ( Meanwhile this is a prophecy, it hopefully will not occur) after "merely" two years of deaths of 4 heads of state. This "merely" means November is the last month or December also? One more thing; The new invention of sort of atomic bomb in Russia might be "a new and extremely destructive weapon" which is mentioned in 251st contact? Because it already started to "create a quite stir". Peace, Murat Michael_d Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 10:00 pm:        I have similar thoughts and have written the following question for Billy that I hope to post at the given time. Contact 251 says, in part, “New weapons will once again create quite a stir, and so will the death of 4 heads of state who will die within 7 days from each other. These then are the last danger signs, which foretell that within merely 2 years of these events the long-feared world war will indeed erupt…” Due to the fact that 4 heads of state did not die within 7 days from each other in or around the month of November 2004, it appears the timeline for the start of WWIII is not 2006, but 2010 or 2011 instead. Furthermore, Contact 251 says “The world war will begin in November of a specific year, after 5 years of intensive effort are spent reaching this goal which is preceded by 4 years of unspecified preparations.” Since the USA is to be the major force behind the start of WWIII, and since the USA does not presently have a military draft, it would seem we are not yet in the period of “5 years of intensive effort…spent reaching this goal.” However, there are rumblings of a military draft soon being implemented in the US, and the legislation for such has already been written. My question: Do you see the timing of the “5 years of intensive effort…spent reaching this goal” beginning with the implementation of a US military draft? Michael_d P.S.: I heard speculation from a Charles R. Smith on the Rense internet radio program tonight that owing to the removal of his portraits from state buildings, North Korean dictator Kim Jong il may have passed. Norm Member Post Number: 672 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 01:33 pm:        An ancient prediction speaks of women who, in the third millennium, will come into power and will create peace, freedom, love and harmony; subsequently men will be forced to relinquish their despotic rule they have kept for thousands of years. Truly a very pleasant prediction but it will bring disadvantages in the beginning because at first, women will come into powerful positions who are just as overbearing and idiotic as those "gentlemen" who bask in their power and create wars, terrorize the people and look for humble and submissive idiots who will be in bondage to them. At first, only a few women in the world will take the rudder as "mothers of the new millennium" and later, little by little, the real true mothers will step forward and will lead the world toward peace, freedom, love, order and harmony. Unfortunately it is true in this respect too, that all the beginnings are difficult and "false mothers" will at first take the rudder, until the "true mothers of the millennium" will take the destiny of mankind into their hands and create a world in which fear of misery, suffering and wars will be gone as well as greed for power and injustice which the mighty power of men had forced upon mankind of earth for thousands of years with their greed for power and control and in their overbearing behaviour. Billy http://www.figu.org/us/figu/bulletin/no46_excerpt.htm IMO, C. Rice seems like one of the first bad woman leaders not part of the later good woman leaders. I also feel when H. Clinton gets elected in the next election she will also be part of the bad first wave & we may not see the good woman leaders for a few decades after that. Edward Member Post Number: 440 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 01:19 am:        Hi Norm, Murat and All... Yes, very wel posted Norm... I would agree with you 1000%!! I have had always had this same opinion for very long now. It was surprising for me to learn through Billy's Bulletin, the one you excerpted from, concerning "mothers of the new millennium", when I first read it. I have always mentioned at the work places I've worked in, in the past, about this phenomenon on several occasions to the female genders but, their reaction was very much of a misunderstanding. It seemed that they would rather adjust themselves as being "Men" in our Male dominating work environment. Thus, found my announcing of the "Motherly" Intuitions/traits, which should be adapted into to days work environment, as being full of nonsense. As it seems, the more the female gender wonders of the path of their Natural Motherly traits and Natural intuitions.., the more they loose control of their Natural Motherly Qualities and take a "Manly Macho" attitude and become part of the Male dominated working force. Which leads to a very Unbalanced State/Way of Being, in self..as in all that is done. Which is not healthy for both the male and female gender when working together. There is than, NO Harmony, Balance - Equilibrium -; which is the CAUSE...which generates the EFFECT..of "The Battles of the Sexes"...in the Work-place(s); if I may speak from own experiences. Thus, that "FINE Motherly Touch" is missed in the work environment; thus if it were present, should trigger the True Natural Aspects of the Balanced Male and Female gender's qualities, at their best. Conclusion: The female gender should - JUST BE..The Female Gender - and not be something she is not. And visa versa with the male gender. Each gender has their very own Unique Qualities which should "Fuse" in to Harmony, Balance...thus into "Equilibrium", as intended by Creation. Where there is only a "Manly Manly World" and/or a "Womanly Womanly World" there is Stagnation of Evolution in Spirit, Consciousness, Conscience, and in Way of Being...and what not. Thus Stagnates the everlasting process(ing) of "Progression", which is one of the main qualities to "PERFECTION"...as Jmmanuel(and BILLY) stated very very clear in his Wise Words of Knowledge. Speaking of C.Rice and H.Clinton: C.Rice is in position of being an "Opportunist" and a War-Monger, and H. Clinton, not only, and also, being a War-Monger - whom agreed to go to war against Iraq without hesitating - ; and feels she may try to take part of a higher position in office because she is in the possibility to do so, as this may be a good opportunity for her self to take part. As long as they, and others, are "Howling with The Wolves of War and Bloodshed"..they are Truly NOT "Mothers Of The New Millennium"! A True Mother brings forth BIRTH to our world, and Not DEATH. The Keyword is Still: "Common Sense, Logic and REASON"! And NOT, "Non Sense, Illogic and UN REASON"! All in all, both are definitely NOT "Mothers Of The New Millennium"! They, and others of today, in the political environment, are very very FAR...from that. Only FEW, have taken their first steps of being Reasonable Mothers of today, and tomorrow, and thus...for The Future. Edward. Truthseeker Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 01:51 am:        I once met a woman who's name was Heather Anne Harder, who was talking about what she would do as US president. Interestings story when she talked about having a run in with the Free Masons. I still like her since she appears to have good peaceful intentions. Truthseeker Jo_jo Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 11:57 pm:        Norm, The reference to ...women who, in the third millennium, will come into power and will create peace, freedom, love and harmony... may initially be to a young, poor Egyptian woman who is to rule Egypt after the third world war. That is an interpretation from the prophecies of Nostradamus.

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