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Author Message Beamshipsemjase New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 12:09 am:        Billy Meier warned that the asteroid Toutatis could threaten Earth this September.. I wish to create a new thread in which this topic can be discussed at length..I would hope to formulate specific questions through this discussion that could be passed along to Billy Meier that we may recieve further enlightenment regardin this impending cosmic event... Mhurley Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 07:31 am:        Hi Beamship, why dont you ask Billy a question about it in the questions to Billy section? Matt Eric_drouin New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 07:51 pm:        Hi Matt, Beamship: Please have a look at the following link: http://echo.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroids/4179_Toutatis/toutatis.html I am surprised thoug that such an event has not received coverage in the general scientific press in general. There is also another location on the NASA site which literally calculates orbits of asteroid (with graphic simulation). Perhaps someone on the forum knows exactly what it is. Eric Beamshipsemjase New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 05:45 am:        http://echo.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroids/4179_Toutatis/toutatis.html This is the link for the asteroid orbit calculation java applet from NASA/JPL I've spent several hours looking at the upcoming encounter from every possible angle, and it looks to be a frightfully close approach.. I agree that this event is being downplayed in the media, and wonder why.. Toutatis has the most chaotic orbit of any object studied as it spins and tumbles erratically. there is also a downloadable movie that demonstrates this tumbling spinning strange object based on radar information from a previous pass... Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 09:59 am:        this might be a negative thing too say but i strongly feel that something's gonna happen to that space station we got up in space. about a week ago i had a dream of what looked to me (at the time)like a globular mechanical "space station" that was half destroyed. now after coming here 2 or 3 days ago and seeing the pic of the comet, i get a feeling in my gut. hope it's just a feeling and nothing more. Beamshipsemjase New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 07:03 pm:        Not a comet but a huge chunk of 80 percent iron ore about the size of Manhattan... Billy Meier said Toutatis could threaten Earth, and even named Toutatis ten years before it was discovered...perhaps he'll tell us more.. (I've asked him on another thread) Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 10:22 am:        well, whatever it is... it's coming and it will be interesting to witness. does anybody know when it's supposed to be the closest to us? Eric_drouin New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:06 pm:        Hi: The site i was refering to is the "Near Earth Object Program" at the following link: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/programs/ This site is very interesting, suggest you have a look, espcially in "Impact Risk" section, for those that are concerned about impact. Toutatis will make a close approach of 0.01 UA (1 UA = distance between Earth and Sun) or 1,549,719 km on sept 29, at 13:39 GMT. This is 4 times the Earth-Moon distance. This is a closest approach of the century We are not talking about an impact here, (don't worry about the international space Peter) but a very significant astronomical event, that will create quite a stir. I am certain that all of a sudden media will talk about it later this summer and it will be a big media event. Several people may see this as a sign in the sky of events to come. This may be coincident with events on Earth that may be very critical. Fall of 2004 is 2 years prior to 2006, when 4 head of state may die within 7 days each (contact note 251), if mankind does not become reasonable as Billy warned us several times .... Perhaps that's why Billy mentioned this event, because of its timing in the course of history. What is the source (reference) of this information (the Toutatis prediction from Billy)? It is a good idea to ask Billy, Beamship. Peace Eric Beamshipsemjase New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 09:52 pm:        If you use the NASA/JPL orbit prediction applet given earlier, it indicates September 29th, however it is slightly closer on September 30 by a small distance. It begins to move away (hopefully) on Oct 1. Toutatis will be visible through binoculars..It will pass so close that it will be approximately four times the distance from Earth to moon, what is known is that this close encounter with Earth WILL change Toutatis's orbit due to the tug of the Earth's gravitational and magnetic field..notice how Toutatis crosses the ecliptic right in front of the Earth as she passes! Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 10:49 am:        hey eric, i cant help but say how exciting these times are that we are living in at present. if you ask me, i think this comet info propably resulted from the latest meeting between the plejarans and billy. i seen hale bopp through binoculars, but it was'nt all that big, how big would toutatis be to the naked eye? it would be interesting to see (if indeed it happens) who are the heads of state that will die and on who's command? anyway, time is ticking and we're smack dab in the middle of the spirituality storm. Markc Member Post Number: 149 Registered: 06-2000 Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 11:46 pm:        Hi Peter ; Billy told me early this month that there is no threat with this cosmic traveller . Worry instead about those who will to war . Mark Mark Campbell Beamshipsemjase Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 08:19 am:        Well that's a relief! Perhaps he'll enlighten us more in the questions section next round.. Toutatis would appear no larger than a star to the naked eye, if visible at all due to atmospheric and refractive conditions, but a telescope would be your best bet... Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 04:43 pm:        markc, what makes you think i am worried? because i ask a question? assumptions are like faith, neither is based on fact. i am not worried about those who "will to war". when i do worry, i become angry and eager to put those people in his/her place, which can put a negative spin in my life soon after. i understand the war may happen and that if it does, i simply have to approach the situation in a logical form and learn from it and gain whatever benefits there are. and i ask about the comet because i am curious. i am allowed to be curious right? Markc Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 06-2000 Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 10:10 pm:        Hi Peter ; to clarify something . I was quoting Billy when he said to me " worry instead about those who ......" , so I wasn't addressing you with that comet ....er , I mean comment . Sure feels like being back in America, though . markcampbell Mark Campbell Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 09:51 am:        Well, im officially confused. if that was my mistake then i apologize, but from what i gather you were addressing me. i dont kno what the "back in america" thing is all about but i'm guessing it to be a carefully worded opinion, so as not to offend anybody. Chrisrowley Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2003 Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 02:06 pm:        Here is an article with alot of info on this topic located at http://www.bushcountry.org/news/may_news_pages/g_050204_withheld_earth_danger_inbound_meteors.htm Please note that I do not endorse or support the politics of this site. Read the original to get to the source articles as the links did not come through my copy-paste. First off, please keep my name off this article as I have found that the information I am revealing is so confidential, individuals who have leaked it have had their lives threatened. At any rate, here is the information I feel I have to reveal. While surfing on the internet back on March 22nd, I happened to come across a message board in which one poster revealed that they had an insider in NASA who had been providing them information. In a nutshell he revealed that by mid to late May and going on through 2005, the earth's orbit is potentially going to go through the tail of several comets and afterward be inundated by meteors causing worldwide calamity from not only the vapor, but the impact/s. Apparently, the vapor associated with these comet tails are extremely dangerous and flammable. Several points the poster made was that the ISS was going to make an excuse to return to earth and that America's homeland security would be going to orange (from its current yellow) and eventually red. He even said that something significant would be revealed on April 16th that would put things into motion. Remember, these comments were made on March 22nd. He even revealed that is seems even congress is preparing to go underground. At any rate, below are his comments and some of the current proof, and thought your site needed to get this information out to the public. Here were the first comments he made on March 22nd: "Here is a simple scenario for the those who want the overall expectation. Three or four separate "events" the forth undetermined because they may be an interaction of the third "event" making it as if four "events". All are separated with a time factor of months. The first is why this is taking NASA so long to make a definite calculation but an event will happen on April 16th that will confirm things. As incredible as it sounds, two comets are on a collision course near earth, so near in fact, that one is expected to knock the other into (most likely) the western hemisphere, but it is unknown whether that will be into the ocean or on a landmass. You may have heard recent month's reports about meteorites hitting here and there around the world. That is because three clusters of objects are starting to enter the orbits of the inner planets. Trying to figure out this parallax billiard game coming at us is testing the limit of NASA's science and nerves." Again, his source informed him that April 16th will be the date that future events will be confirmed The following day, March 23rd, an amateur astronomer in Australia discovered an inbound comet (named Bradfield after the astronomer who discovered it) and it was racing toward the sun. Funny thing is, during the time that this meteor is nearing the sun, two additional meteors will be visible to the naked eye as well, two of them even more visible than the famous Haley's comet. Strange I thought how there has been little, if any mention about these 3 comets that would be visible in April and May? I must admit, I was skeptical with the post, but intrigued and committed myself to continue to visit the board until April 16th, the date that was supposed to confirm things. A few days before the 16th, the individual who started the thread posted that he was personally being "pinged" by NASA, and had threats sent to him telling him to stop sharing classified information. Then, his post stopped. April 16th came and after going to the board, there were numerous posters on the board in shock. The Bradfield comet (discovered back on the 22nd by the amateur astronomer) had just come into view by NASA's SOHO telescope (positioned between the sun and the earth and can actually be viewed on the internet) Funny thing was though, the comet got to a certain point in its orbit, and transmissions of the image were no longer coming through (new images usually showed about every hour) Additionally, the bulletin board with the 97 page thread was down, and stayed down for almost 10 hours. When it came back up, the forum was down to 49 pages and that someone had removed all the information relating to the comets noted previously. Anyway, when SOHO came back online (20 hrs after being down) message board posters said that the images being posted were faked having been cut and pasted. I could see what they meant when you looked at the images one after another but you can make the call. You can see this by looking at the comet photo at 4am on the 17th, then look at the next photo which was posted not 1 hr later like the normal interval, but 20 hrs later. It did indeed look like someone tampered with the photos. Lastly, the next photo which shows the comet having a T shape to it. It seemed it was not even the same comet that was initially on the video. After all this occurred, I then remembered back that the poster said that on the 16th of April, things would be confirmed that would set things in motion. I don't exactly know what occurred during those NASA SOHO down times, but something did, and was removed so no one could observe it. I want to post some additional comments that the thread owner posted so everyone will see why the U.S. government would want to keep this secret until the last possible minute. Here are more of his comments made before April 16th: "This is no easy task for so much could be stated. So much must be stated, but I wish you all to know as completely as possible - the great world-wide crisis which will result in such devastation that is very near, but not all peoples will die, or become totally incapacitated during the event. However the effect of this devastation will be of such magnitude that many will want to die. To describe the great,’ beginning’ event in the series of events which constitute what some have called the ´end days´ events or ‘the last days’. All this will occur simultaneously with the approach and fulfillment of those events which constitute the beginning of these events. Some will die of the’ natural elements’ caused by the fires, earthquakes, floods and other disasters which will come upon the Earth. A seeming cloud will descend to cover the whole Earth first, then a meteor will strike the Earth, first with its tail touching parts of the Earth, and then the full impact of the meteor will touch down in an area in the Western Hemisphere of the planet. This does not necessarily mean the U.S. First, my source mentioned the effect of the cloud of dust so great that it will block the sun and all the Earth will become as night. The dust from the meteor shower will bathe the Earth, leaving dirt everywhere and scorch the land and the skin, if you are outside. Most vegetation will die and those caught outside will die of burns. Animals will suffer. People who must go outside, which is not recommended, will need to take extreme precautions against the dust and chemicals released by the clouds of meteor debris. No one, it is recommended, should go outside, and all windows need to be covered so the dust does not enter your homes. This covering you will need will be for many purposes. This is only one reason. Yes believe it or not duct tape will become a rare commodity. Homeland security is not as they tell you a moniker for terrorist security, so read between the lines. When they upgrade the status from elevated (yellow) to high (orange), know that there are only several days left. When they go from high (orange) to red, there may only be 6 hrs left before the comet tail covers the earth. What you can then expect will be most dangerous. There will be an extremely flammable nature of this dust cloud and its dangerous toxic gases. And yet this is only the beginning, for more dramatic events will occur. Due to the extreme impact of the meteor on our planet, there will be produced the greatest of all earthquakes imagined. One of the most powerful earth-shaking earthquake even will cause the entire top layer of our planet's surface to shake for up to 20 minutes in some areas. Earthquake estimated range from 8.5 to 10 on the Richter scale in various areas, which are near or far from the impact site of the meteor. Another thing, you may have heard that recently probes to sample and analyze tails. Why? Deep concern they are extremely toxic, difficult to spectral identity at distance some argue a phosphate compound, ie; frozen solid particles of phosphorous from from boulder size in close to microns down near at end point. Not all tails are giving the same signatures, some are believed to be frozen solid ammonia. Deep concern is if what we don't see part of tail sweeps our atmosphere during close pass. Keep these markers in mind... 1. ISS (International Space Station) will be in the news as experiencing untenable problems whereas it will be evacuated (masked), temporarily. This is a ‘MARKER’ on the time scale. 2. The satellite system will be put on the same kind of alert system as a direct flare from the SUN. 3. Those satellites cannot be turned to avoid damage are the GPS System Remember the teams say that there are three of these “Events” separated by months, which will all claim the same attention. the third possibly triggering a fourth from the same event." Again, the comments above were made in late March. Now, click here to see what was just announced several days ago and to see the second reason why I thought to myself "this person is on to something" I will close with a collection of what I have been able to pull from the internet from several different boards that have also been hacked and information removed. These sites, and what has been observed since early April leads me to believe that something is going on, that world leaders do not want us to know. "Here are just a few additional "Red Flags" that makes me wonder what is going on: Breaking news that the entire Internet could be shut down very easily. Storys that Russia would disconnect itself from the Internet during April. Al Franken saying that Bush was more concerned with "meteors" than with terrorists. Bush responding to Woodward, when Woodward asks how History will judge the Iraqi invasion. "We'll all be dead." FEMA warning all Americans to stock the pantry and be ready to shelter in place. Ted Koppel doing a show on 4/7/04 on martial law and The Armageddon Plan. Letterman recently spoofing the "spotting of a new star". Information found on the net that a rush was on to finish underground shelters for units of soldiers. Information that says the ham intercept "Snowball" message could indeed be valid, and supersedes other operations in immediacy and importance (a whole other article could be written about this topic) Increasing news surfacing about events in space, all in the last few months. Increasing news about comets, but not on the front page, in fact, most people don't even know about these stupendous events taking place in our near space. Numerous websites providing "confidential" information to the public being hacked, their mail list stolen and numerous mass mailings of viruses have taken place. Webbots warning of "a flower" of explosions, comet related. Numerous postings around the net about a "orangey yellow huge glowing orb" that appears for 10 minutes, then disappears into a blue star. My son saw the very same thing in February. Pentagon paper warning of climate collapse. British minister warning climate change is greater and more imminent threat than terrorists. Canadian minister warning climate change is greater threat to millions in short term than terrorists. Just one of many comets/asteroids planning a close fly by: http://www.rense.com/general50/sep29th2004.htm" Just yesterday, another person posted comments on the board as they were familiar with what is going to happen along with comments about the original poster and why he was not more specific with the information he provided. Anyway, here are his very scary comments: From mid May thru the 3rd week of June increased Satellite / ISS damage by meteors, tiny chunks of asteroids, and assorted "dust" and unknown particles from the 4 then five comets during this time in various positions around Earth's orbit. As the days drag on they are leaving behind from their tails or enough ionized gas to developed into a plasma like cloud that's going to be a real nuisance for satellite operations. This is the first "Event". Don't know exactly when but worldwide GPS is going to start to fail. First indications of that are that they are a diminishing on pinpoint accuracy of locations. My company's locating parameters have already been slowly widening 500 feet so far. Delta Airlines just announced a "computer glitch" that has grounded their planes but I suspect that they are starting to have problems with their GPS system. Anyway, in mid July the "pellets" arrive. These are the first and second "Events" alluded to by the earlier poster. You see he HAS to word things so that you read them between the lines so as not to go ´over the line´ of divulging confidential information sworn not to, upon his retirement, which he really hasn't thus far. With my self though it's different, I didn't work right there, and never signed anything. But as I follow, and the events line up ever closer I had to say something about the basic out line. Everything down here of the surface will seem pretty much as usual, accept for those that keep themselves alert and informed, they will immediately recognize when the Big Show is unfolding a little earlier that others. The big Show starts with dramatic daylight comet show during mid July. On the heels of that is the fourth "event". A Large asteroid passes between our Moon and the Earth which causes havoc here even ´thought to be able to "peel" the upper stratosphere "Snowballing" Earth. What will that do? We don't know. No one does. But it's probably not going to be benign. That is where the "forth event" may occur "out of the "third "event. Obviously, several people know something is coming. The bible describes a very similar event in Revelation called the "trumpet judgments" and below are the first 4 of the 7 trumpet judgments: "The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water - the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter. The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night. Revelation 8: 7-12 I will close by saying, I hope, and pray that these things are not going to happen, but thank goodness I know where I will be when I die! If you post this, maybe others will realize they need to get their life's straight and accept the plan of salvation so they, will too, enter the kingdom of heaven after death. Thank you for your site and for posting this article. Name withheld 05/08/04 Update - One of our site visitors mentioned that the sources for the writer who submitted the article to us noted above is found on forums on the following three websites, here, here and here Hi Chris, In the future, posting of the link should suffice rather than posting the whole article. We try and discourage long postings especially when they are from a third party, Thanks-Moderator Markc Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 06-2000 Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 11:41 pm:        Hi Peter ; It's alright , no problem at all . So , my original post should have read : Billy told me early this month that "there is no threat with this cosmic traveller . Worry instead about those who will to war ". Just the inclusion of quotation marks changes the meaning , and it was my oversight .I had just got back from Switzerland .... I flew over and it made my arms really tired . I notice that people tend to jump to conclusions easily . I have been guilty of that . But what if someone had actually said ", You sound like your'e afraid..." or something like that for instance - If it were said to me , I would be proud to announce that yes , "I'm typing from under the bed right now waiting for the big bad comet to pass" ... you know, something that's non defensive . We have a tendency to be defensive , and it's a wicked weakness . You could take no offence in that , because it includes me , it's based on my observations about myself and others in my society , and what if you did take offence ? It's pointless .By the time you came in person to confront me , someone else would have cut you off in traffic or something , and set off a new bigger war . So the point of all this I suppose is to lead us all to neutral attitudes that diffuse insults , imagined insults and sensitive natures . It's Ok to have these tendencies as long as you have an interest in dissolving them . We're all in this forum to learn , and before all scientific , historic and amazing information , these concepts of cotrolling one's thoughts and emotions are essential . If you're someone who habitually faces off with people over everything , it's ok too . Just understand that it really is something to overcome within oneself because it is useless for individuals and societies . I really do hope that my frankness doesn't cause further conflict . It's a solid example of a lesson that took me years to learn , and I hope you'll join me ,Peter in making our corner truly more peaceful just by the way we interpret and respond to things . Thanks , Mark Mark Campbell Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 09:14 am:        i know what your saying, believe me, i'm working double time putting neuteral thinking in my daily life. I just cant help noticing something about the way you type. i aint complaining but it's just something that can reveal something abuot ones personality you know? whatever, that's not important. no i dont really "face off" with people, at least not in an aggressive manner. I do a good job of keeping myself calm and collected. the problem is in what i type (a problem to some). if we were talking face to face there would be no miscommunication. it's strange that you should call yourself frank, i thought i was the one being too blunt? i do try to put the effort to make "this corner" more peaceful, but know this... i dont know where you come from, but where i come from, if i was to say please thankyou, and suger coat the words with laces and bows, i'd be dead. And at this point, i still have a couple of things to do before i die. but yeah, this corner is a nice place Hello Everyone, I think we are getting off the topic here? Thanks-Moderator Markc Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 06-2000 Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 04:35 pm:        ...... Anyway , asteroid toutatis will come within roughly four lunar distances to the earth . Mark Campbell Edward Member Post Number: 421 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 12:51 pm:        Hi All.... For those who have interest. Here are 5 screen shots I've calculated with my PC Celestia Observer of Toutatis' Orbit this 29 Sept. 2004: in the times of 8.00-Entering-Top View, 8.00 Close-up, 18.00 Close-up, 21.00 Close-up and 24.00 Leaving Orbit. My apologies for the pour quality. This is cased by reducing the pictures. Edward. Edward Member Post Number: 421 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 12:54 pm:        Toutatis02S-8.00uClose-up Edward Member Post Number: 421 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 12:56 pm:        Toutatis03S-18.00uClose-up Edward Member Post Number: 421 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 12:58 pm:        Toutatis04S-21.00uClose-up Edward Member Post Number: 421 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 01:00 pm:        Toutatis05S-24.00uLeavingOrbit

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