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Author Message Consolato Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 04:24 am:        Edward - "Hi Con and All... Con, yes I understand what you mean very clearly. Mr.Bush is just The MAIN Character, if you will, that will lead The Beast-666 SYMBOLIC Value into what it Has Become" Hi Edward, I'm glad theres at least one other person here who can see some of what I've been trying to suggest here to everyone about this matter. originally posted by Norm - "666 is not a person. The Church made it into a person!" Hi Norm, As I've already mentioned numerous times before, I know that '666' cannot be a person, but is a figure. Part of what I've been trying to explain here is that '666' can also point to a particular person as well as Semjase says here - Semjase: 138. The number 666 points fully to one of the Earth humans, but at the same time also to an extraterrestrial, and to the work of both. What I'm saying is if '666' can somewhat point to a particular person, then '666' can also point to another person at some other time too because it is a made up figure/person and another one can be created by the same people again, can it not? Thats what I've been trying to suggest here is that could it be possible that a new '666' person/figure has been created today by the same type of illuminati/freemason/church people who created the first '666' figure/person, and if they could then could it be possible that they have created a new '666' person/figure which is George Bush? If not the person George Bush, then at least could it be the delusional figure/person thats somewhat portrayed as being "U.S. President George Bush/Gods Representative on Earth"? Could "Bush" or could that delusional "Bush/Gods Representative on Earth" figure fit in perfectly below with what Semjase was describing about the first '666' figure/person? Semjase: 138. The number 666 points fully to one of the Earth humans, but at the same time also to an extraterrestrial, and to the work of both. 139. But thereby to bear in mind is that the Earth human has arrived at the numerical value 666 - namely to the anti-logos, to lies and falseness - against his will. 140. This (happened) through a false name attributed to him against his will, given through fanatics, liars and deceivers, through religions, scharlatans and power-greedy ones. 141. The value of the number 666 also does not point to the essential person and the thoughts and acts of this already long passed away Earth human, rather on the delusional figure which was made out of him and who governs the Earth as a religious cult figure. 142. It is this that is the absolute evil and unreal, the anhilating and destroying, namely the lie and un-truth, the anti-logos. Doesn't that also sound like the person/figure that is George Bush/Gods representative and his Bogus war on terror? I think maybe to explain it a little better what I'm trying to say here, is if we backtrack back to see how the first '666' figure/person called 'Jesus' was created by the Roman Catholic Church/Freemasons/Illuminati. (one and the same organisation http://www.gaiaguys.net/Herodesmason.htm) The Roman Catholic Church/freemasons used the science and power of numerology to carry out their evil act with the first one by givng this ficticious figure/person a name that had the numerical value of 666 as well as also associating and sorrounding this figure/him with things that had names that also arrived at the numerical value of 666 too, (example church, god, ect) so that this figure was associated with as many '666's as possible so as to utilise as much as possible the power that the numerological '666' property value could affect and bring that figure according to the scientific law of numerology. Is it not possible and fair to say as well that this first '666' delusional figure was made out to be as though it was 'Gods representative on Earth" and if so, can then also be called as that too? If so, then could it be possible that the Roman Catholic Church/Freemasons (one and the same) have created another new delusional '666' figure today like they did with the first one? If the the Roman Catholic Church/Freemasons could have created a new/another delusional '666' figure in the world today to decieve people with, could it be "U.S. President George Bush/Gods Representative on Earth and Bush's/U.S.'s bogus wart on terror'? Isn't that what the Roman Catholic Church/Freemasons seem to be secretly making George Bush (and the U.S.) out to be in the world today? I believe that it could be possible that another delusional '666' figure/person could be interpreted as being created in the world today by the Roman Catholic Church/Freemasons and could be "Bush/God representative on earth/the U.S. and possibly Bush's bogus war on terror". Look read this again - Ptaah: The man Bush is megalomaniacal and of the firm persuasion that he is God’s representative on Earth and must free the world from all evil. But (the fact) that he himself presently is indeed the worst evil, in regard to war and terror, is completely repressed in his sectarian delusion. Semjase: 138. The number 666 points fully to one of the Earth humans, but at the same time also to an extraterrestrial, and to the work of both. 139. But thereby to bear in mind is that the Earth human has arrived at the numerical value 666 - namely to the anti-logos, to lies and falseness - against his will. 140. This (happened) through a false name attributed to him against his will, given through fanatics, liars and deceivers, through religions, scharlatans and power-greedy ones 141. The value of the number 666 also does not point to the essential person and the thoughts and acts of this already long passed away Earth human, rather on the delusional figure which was made out of him and who governs the Earth as a religious cult figure. 142. It is this that is the absolute evil and unreal, the anhilating and destroying, namely the lie and un-truth, the anti-logos. Lets also not forget what the odds are of someone else being associated with as many '666's as U.S. President George Bush are, which are 1 chance in 43,046,721,000! And the odds of another person likely to come along again with as much association to the number "666' as Bush are estimated at taking over a 172 billion years for it to likely happen again. So based on that I think that its fair to say that the Roman Catholic Church/Freemasons helped give Bush that strong '666' value associated with him. Read below again - from webpage below - George Bush's name is equal to 666 if we use the Hebrew letter equivalents. It is also equal to 666 if we use the two most commonly used systems in numerology as well as in ASCII code......................................(too many equations to be listed here - refer to webpage below to see complete list)......................................there you have it - 666 - the number of the Beast, absolutely any way you care to add it up. The number of his name in Hebrew = 666. The number of his name using the Pythagorean system = 6. The Chaldean system = 6. ASCII code = 6. The number of his birthday = 6. His lucky number = 6. The number of the date when he was first elected Governor = 6. When he is first inaugurated Governor = 6. The number when he was inaugurated president of the United States = 6. The number of the man/beast named George Walker Bush = 666. http://www.bushisantichrist.com/ The only thing that I can't work out yet, is how they gave Bush's strong association with the number '666' because it comes from his name and birthdate too, and is something that the church/freemasons couldn't have done? And the reason I point this out is because the odds of someone else being in U.S. politics that was born with the same birthdate and name that added up to '666' like Bush has, would still be astronomical odds too? So based on all that is it possible to say that the Roman Catholic Church/Freemasons have created a new delusional '666' figure and that the new figure is "U.S. President George Bush being somewhat portrayed as Gods Representative on Earth' or could it be "George Bush/Gods Representative on Earth and Bush's/America's bogus War on Terror"? The Illumiati/Freemasons helped get Bush corruptly elected into office. And I think that the Illumiati/Freemasons/Church and Bush were the main one's responsible for orchestrating the 9/11 attacks too and the evidence to support this is here and is numerology once again. According to freemasonary the number '11' symbolizes all that is evil and imperfect - WTC Facts: The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11. Each building had "11"0 stories. After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year. September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11. 119 is the area code for Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11, 911 - 119 are opposites - enemies? 11 11 polarity. Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11. The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11. Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11. Flight 11 had 11 crew members onboard. Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11. State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union. "New York City" has 11 letters. "Afghanistan" - 11 letters. "The Pentagon" - 11 letters. "Ramzi Yousef" - 11 letters (convicted of orchestrating the attack on the WTC in 1993). please have a quick look at this site - http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/index02.htm I don't know what the odds are of all them 11's being written all over the 9/11 attacks but I believe that there's too many there for me to believe that it is all just pure coincedence and not the freemasons/church's evil numerology work again. I believe the Church's/Freemasons/Illuminati's people positioned in the U.S. were the one's behind orchestrating the 9/11 attacks so that the U.S. can then go and carry out it's bogus war on terror campain to invade other countries, namely Iraq and the middle east. It appears they did this so Bush and all his oilhead Freemason mates can first get their greedy hands on Iraq's oil. Also with the alert and scare of the international terrorist threat, it also appears they did this so that Congress will also hand out billions of extra dollars to the U.S.'s army and defence so that all of Bush's freemasons mates in the Army, CIA, U.S. Secret Service, ect. will have more money and power given to them as well as for the next decade or so giving plenty of work to all of Bush's Freemason mates and organisations who supply militry with militry arms too. They are some of the apparent likely reasons for the setup of 9/11 attacks. Who knows what other reasons or what else the Freemasons/Bush and the U.S. hope to gain in the end as well as this, from the setup of Bush into office, the setup of the delusional Bush/God/America '666' figure, the setup of 9/11, and from the setup of the Bogus international terrorist treat? World Domination? Anyway getting back to what I was saying, is it possible that the Roman Catholic Church/Freemasons have created another delusional '666' figure/person in the world today, and that figure is "Bush/Gods Reprentative on Earth"? Or maybe even possibly be "Bush/Gods Representative on Earth/Bush-U.S.'s bogus war on terror"? All are full of evil, destruction, deceiption and anillation of the truth? Or could it be possible that '666' figure could just be George Bush/his job of U.S. presidency and what his doing with it? I don't know which one of them it is, if it is one of them, but I do know that '666' does fit in with all of them possibilities because '666' is the cabalistic numerological number that represents evil, destruction, annihilation of the truth. I don't know if Bush is '666', but I am sure that IF a new '666' delusional figure has been created today by these same people, that Bush is definitely related somehow or even be the main character '666' figure was created that George Bush is definitely that '666' figure/person. Lets not also forget that is was prophecised in the Bible and elsewhere too, that the '666' 'Antichrist' figure/person was prophecised as being present in the world today at these time's and being the most powerful leader in the world. Anyway, I believe that in some way George Bush is somehow related or involved with being either this prophecised '666' (antichrist?) figure/person or with being the main character of a possible new delusional '666' figure/person that has been created at these times by the same people who created the first one. Could '666' be U.S. President George Bush the person/figure, or could '666' be "U.S. President George Bush/Gods Representative on Earth/911setup/and what Bush and the U.S. are doing with their deceiptful and evil bogus war on terror campain"?? The number '666' represents evil, destruction, annihilation of the truth etc. Whoever or whatever George Bush is, I believe that it is definitely NO co-incedence that George Bush is so strongly associated with the number '666'! There definitely appears to be a reason there why he is. Bush says "God Speaks Through Me"??? George Bush says ""God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."????? "God Bless America"??????? Con Consolato Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 04:49 am:        Jesus was the '666 The Antichrist' figure/person that was created 2000 years ago, and was he not portrayed and interpreted as somewhat being God's representative on Earth in those days too?? Yes he was, and is George Bush not portraying himself or being somewhat portrayed as being the same thing today - God's representative on Earth? If so, then it be fair to say that George Bush is another madeup '666 The Antichrist' figure/person, to a lesser extent of the first one??? Could U.S. President George.W Bush be '666 The Antichrist' too???? Con Anday727 Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2006 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:50 am:        The Possibility of a war, not "the upcoming event" in that context, because, we are still dealing with a prophecy here. Don't forget we can still turn this thing around! Salome gam nan ben urda gan njjber hasala hesporona!! __________________________________________________ Thank you for correction Tim. In my last post I wasn't precise enough, and I didn't wrote: "possible upcoming event". This planet is our only home and we must to "turn things around" Let the peace be on Earth... Dejan Consolato Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:35 pm:        Here's something else to consider. I don't know how valid this is, but it is a cut and paste from bushisantichrist website about a bible prophecy relating to who the antichrist is in these current times we are in, mentioned in Daniel 7: 24 “the ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones. (the Antichrist)” It’s obvious that the horns represent the powerful men who have come to successively rule over the American empire. America acquired superpower status and gained the reach of a world-class Empire when it acquired the nuclear bomb, at the very end of WWII. Since then there have been exactly ten “kings” or post-war presidents: Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, BushSr, and Clinton as the tenth. The prophecy from Daniel says that after these ten presidents, there will appear another one, an arrogant “little horn”, which is the Antichrist, George W Bush Jr. It says this “little horn” is "unlike" any of the other ten presidents, and this is an obvious reference to the fact that Bush has no popular mandate, that he lost the popular vote, and was appointed to the office by five un-elected judges on the Supreme Court. This has never happened before in American history, and that’s what makes him so different from all his presidential predecessors – that and his arrogance, dishonesty and lust for world power. Anyway, I'm not really trying to proclaim that Bush is the '666 the antichrist" because I really don't know if he is. I guess I'm just asking what others think about this matter now, in light of all the things that I have posted and mentioned here so far about it, is it possible that Bush could be the '666 the antichrist", or that there is definitely something there surrounding Bush's strong association with the number '666' as well as also surrounding Bush and his U.S. presidency position, and his lies, deciept and evil his doing in the world today, mainly to do with Bush's likely involvement in 9/11 setup and then with Bush's (holy?) bogus war on terror? Con Der_beobachter Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 02:04 pm:        Dear Consolato, I am sorry but you are mixing things here Consolato. There is no such thing as "Antichrist" but only ANTILOGOS, and you are not well informed about it. Church of the ANTILOGOS Christianity Antilogos is this situation, this Status Quo Planet Earth is living today. Monstrance of ANTILOGOS made of human bones Antilogos is a huge sum of many things which are contrary to REAL LIFE and which are AGAINST the True Laws of Life, the Laws of Nature and the LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS OF CREATION. Altar of ANTILOGOS=CHRISTIAN CHURCH=666 One of the main Freemasonic ANTILOGOS Liar One of the main causes of this HAVOC, a real HELL on Earth IS CHRISTIANITY. Therefore ANTILOGOS/666 is The Church/Christ/God and everything which is connected to it in any form. Please read my last psoting here, scroll down to see images when you get there: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/1952.html And also study this webpage below: www.gaiaguys.net/666.htm And YES U.S. President George.W Bush is part OF 666=The Antilogos! THE ANTI-ANTILOGOS FORCE ********** "We want to be human in a time when being human may be a literally criminal act." -Dan Berrigan (Voices in the Wilderness) Der Beobachter Edelweiß Consolato Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:40 pm:        Hi Deobachter, yes I know that the "antichrist" is not a person, and are only asking people if thats what the freemason's/church appear to be trying to associate with Bush today, for some reasons I have mentioned. The fact about wether or not the antichrist can be a person is irrelivent and not the question I'm asking people here. If you look, you'll notice I never said that Bush is the antichrist, I was merely asking people if they think that is also what the freemasons/church appear to be also trying to associate with Bush too as well as with the number '666'. The other thing I did was to do a cut and paste job (post above) from another site about a bible prophecy that appeared to have some reasonable credibility to it, regarding/saying who the antichrist was, and then just asked people what they think about the cut and paste Bush=antichrist matter I posted is all. The reason why I wanted to know what other people thought about that cut and paste Bush=antichrist matter , I mentioned at start of that post -"Here's something else to consider. I don't know how VALID this is, but it is a cut and paste from bushisantichrist website about a bible prophecy relating to who the antichrist" - it was because I didn't know how valid prophecies in the bible are is why, and also why I never stated anywhere that Bush is the antichrist. I think the reason why some people seem to be misunderstanding me here with all I said regarding this matter, is my fault because if you look back you'll notice how I've been suggesting a whole lot of things in many various ways about how and what this '666' figure/person as well as 'antichrist' exactly is relating to Bush, and reason is because I didn't really know exactly how and what that relation to Bush is, and just wanted to get some feedback and opinions from people about what they thought was all. I also want to say that I am in no way having a go at you here either, Der Beobachter, with how I'm dragged and waffled on here with saying all this to you here. I waffled on with all this because I've got an hour to kill, with nothing to do and are bored is why. I do appreciate hearing any inputs and opinions anyone offers me here regarding this matter. Der Beobachter: "And YES U.S. President George.W Bush is part OF 666=The Antilogos!" Horaay!! I'm glad someone else also agree's with me there by stating that there is something going on there with Bush and 666, so at least I know for sure now that it's all not just wild stuff going on in my head! If there is something going on there with Bush and with the 666, there is one thing I don't understand, which is why hasn't gaiaguys mention this Bush = 666 matter on their website? I've emailed dyson asking him about his opinion on this 666/Bush relation matter, but gaiaguys email address now comes back as invalid. I guess that is the main reason why I was regularly asking for people's opinion in many various ways on this Bush/666/antichrist matter, is because I didn't really know how trustworthy a couple of the source's were, where I got some of the information from was why. If this Bush=666 relation matter was mentioned on gaiaguys website, it would have saved me writing practicularly everything I just did in the past couple of pages of this thread, instead i just would have done a simple cut and paste job from gaiaguys website. Anyway, if anyone's read this far into my ramblings and waffling on here, then they must be as bored as what I was when I had written all this out. Markc Member Post Number: 278 Registered: 06-2000 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:02 pm:        Hi Der Beobachter ; I had no idea that something like this existed , but it does align itself with what we know about the history of the church ; that they would walk over dead bodies to dominate at any cost . It's gruesome and dispicable , and if more modern people were to know about it , they would be able to smell it for what it is. Mark Campbell Consolato Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 06:37 am:        hmmmm...........did anyone hear what U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld just said recently how the U.S. intends to tackle the U.S.'s future role to address and deal with the war on terror? Feb. 2, 2006 3:11 Rumsfeld: Pentagon preparing for The Long War By ASSOCIATED PRESS WASHINGTON In the 2007 budget due out next week and a soon to-be-released long-range plan for reshaping the military, the US Defense Department talks about the military's future in terms of its ability to fight a new kind of war: One that can't be won in days or weeks and will be fought on many fronts against a vast array of enemies. On Wednesday, Defense Secretary Donald H.Rumsfeld said the new term is a way of telling people the truth about the fight against terrorism. He said this doesn't mean that US troops will be in Iraq indefinitely but rather the United States will be fighting violent extremists for many years to come. "The United States is a nation engaged in what will be a long war," the new defense review document says. "Currently the struggle is centered in Iraq and Afghanistan, but we will need to be prepared and arranged to successfully defend our nation and its interests around the globe for years to come." http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=84920 Mr U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, I honestly don't see that you'll have any sort of problems there in doing that to address the massive terrorism problem that we have in the world today, however there is just one problem which I can see that you will have there in doing that future plan of attack to address the terrorism problem, and that is that international terrorism DOES NOT exist in the world today! Did you know that, you stupid dumb prick and fool, Mr Dumbsfeld! You probably already did know that international terrorism does not exist in the world today, didn't you Mr Rumbsfeld, because you are nothing but a lying, evil and deceiptful Freemason Bastard that is hell bent on meglomania, aren't you, Mr Rumbsfeld? Yes, you most certainly are you lying, evil freemason prick!! grrr..... Con Consolato Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 12:02 pm:        Hi Deobachter, instead of me having to write my long and lengthy number 103 post to you, explaining how I think you've misunderstood me in thinking that I was stating to people that Bush is the antichrist, when I wasn't, as well as with me mentioning lots of other things about what I was trying to do and say here regarding this bush and this 666 matter, I should have just asked you if you had read what I said in the last paragraph of my 101 post which is the post that is posted, just before you posted your lengthy post to me there? If you did, then it might have saved you writing most of all that out that you said to me there. It would have been much easier for me to ask you if you read what I said in that last paragraph, then having to write out that lengthy 101 post of mine to you there. Here is what I said in that last paragraph of my 103 post which is the post just before your post to me there where you are telling me all that there - "Anyway, I'm not really trying to proclaim that Bush is the '666 the antichrist" because I really don't know if he is. I guess I'm just asking what others think about this matter now, in light of all the things that I have posted and mentioned here so far about it, is it possible that Bush could be the '666 the antichrist", or that there is definitely something there surrounding Bush's strong association with the number '666' as well as also surrounding Bush and his U.S. presidency position, and his lies, deciept and evil his doing in the world today, mainly to do with Bush's likely involvement in 9/11 setup and then with Bush's (holy?) bogus war on terror?" you would have quite clearly seen that I was not stating that Bush is the antichrist, but merely asking people what they think in light of what I had posted so far concerning Bush = antichrist, but not concerning Bush = 666 because that is a diferent matter. Anyway it was all practicularly in that 103 post of mine back there, and I think if you read it correctly, you probably might not have wasted your time posting all that antichrist stuff to me there, which as I've been saying numerous times before to people is stuff that I already know. And I think that if you had read my posts more closely to see what I was trying to do in my posts, you would have noticed that I was trying to work out exactly what and how Bush is with the 666 figure and what he going to do with it, and why I was putting forward all sorts of questions and things, mixing things up and saying things in many various ways, asking people if could Bush be this with the 666 or could Bush be that with the 666, so as to try to work out exactly what and how Bush represents that 666 figure and going to do with it too. I haven't seen any website yet that explains how Bush is exactly the 666 figure or going to do in the future with it, and why I was deliberately mixing things up and asking people, could it be this or could it be that. I think thats how you misunderstood me there and why you posted this to me - "I am sorry but you are mixing things here Consolato. There is no such thing as "Antichrist" but only ANTILOGOS, and you are not well informed about it." I was deliberately mixing things up and asking questions on it so as to get some feedback was all, and I am well informed about what the antichrist actually is too. And if you read the entire post from where I mainly commented on wether Bush is the antichrist, it was in regards to a bible prophecy that says who this antichrist figure is, and this was the first thing I said in that post because it is not from the meier contact - "Here's something else to consider. I don't know how valid this is, but it is a cut and paste from bushisantichrist website about a bible prophecy relating to who the antichrist is" Is there anything wrong there for me to ask a question about who the antichrist could be, based on that bible prophecy? I don't think so because I don't know how valid the bible source is and i said that there too. I've also been saying all along how I believe the freemasons are trying to somewhat create a new 666 figure. The freemasons/church are definitely trying to create something new with Bush and the 666 figure, just like they did somewhat with the first one, true? Yes, you said it yourself. Then if it could be a new figure the freemasons are creating, the new 666 figure, should have no revelence to the old 666 figure. And everything I've been saying about how this bush and this 666 figure could be, is related to a possible new 666 figure created and is unknown. Bush is definitely tied in with 666 and is in the new 666 figure the freemasons are trying to create there with him. There's not much in the contact notes that is related to this new 666 figure, most of it is all related to the old 666 figure. As i've said I haven't seen any website or anyone say exactly how and what Bush is definitely tied in with 666 and in the new 666 figure the freemasons are trying to create there with him. So how come, whenever I suggest what or how Bush could be this new 666 figure or could represents, why is it that over the past couple of pages people have regularly come in and said the 666 figure I'm talking about and trying to workout what is, is the 666 figure that relates to the old 666 figure, as well as also pointing out comments the plejarens have said about who the old 666 is in the contact notes, when I'm talking about a possible new 666 figure? Bush is definitely in some new 666 figure the freemason have are creating with him, and theres hardly anything there in the contact notes about Bush = 666. So we're on our own for now in trying to workout exactly what or how Bush is 666 and want to do in future with it, and is that not what I've been trying to do here for past couple of pages asking people questions about wether they think Bush could be 666 this way or if that way. I hope this is end of people telling me how that 666 figure I'm talking about that today is Bush, does not relate to Bush, but in fact relates to the old 666 figure. Getting wee tired of people telling me that and is why I've written all this out to explain things a little bit better. Consolato Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 06:32 pm:        Dear Forum members, as most of you already know, in the past few pages of this thread now I've been giving my opinion as well as also trying to explain to everyone here about a variety of things I've noticed that had to do with the possibility that U.S. President George Bush could be the (prophecised?) '666' which as most of you know 666 represents the child of evil, the child of destruction, who is a deadly enemy of knowledge, wisdom, and truth – an enemy of love, peace, reverence, and harmony. It is the Antilogos. The evidential material I've put forward to support my opinion that he is '666' was partly from a website that calculated and showed George Bush's strong numerological association with the number '666' and the rest of the evidential material I could put forward to support that was only from me pointing out a variety of events and mysterious things that is happening or has happened both around George Bush and around the world to support this claim, which can only be called as being circumstantial evidence. I'm not going to bother mentioning now what all of those things were that I had pointed out, and if anyone wants to know, they can just read back. And since I started this discussion, in the last 3-4 pages only one person had posted in to agree with or support the view that there could be something there with Bush being '666', and all the others people who had posted in to comment on the matter was in disagreement, and I think the reason why hardly anyone agreed with my view that Bush is '666' more then likely probably had something to do with the fact that there was no mention of it anywhere in the meier contact notes, on figu website/forum or in gaiaguys website that said anything about Bush being '666'. And if that was the case of what happened there, I don't blame anyone that did because those two website's are about the only places and source's that I really only trust to get my information from too. I think it also had to do with how '666' could not be a person, and I agree, but as I've already said, if '666' cannot be a person, then '666' can be centered around a person and somehow represents what that person is doing or the things that are happening throught that person. My post number 97 best explains what I mean here. In that post is where I am trying to point out how the freemason's must have created another '666' figure centered around Bush and I go on to explain how and why I think they did. Anyway to cut a long story short, a few posts back I mentioned how I tried to email gaiaguys to ask for their opinion and help on this Bush = 666 matter and I said that gaiaguys email for somew reason failed, saying it was it invalid address, so I tried again the other day and it got through and got back Dyson's response and opinion back on this matter. I'll just do a cut and paste of the email I sent gaiaguys and the reply I got back from them - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hi dyson, I'd like to ask you a question please relating to the number 666 and george bush's strong association to it. Here is an example of what i mean below and you probably already know about it - the odds are of someone associated with as many '666's as U.S. President George Bush are 1 chance in 43,046,721,000! And the odds of another person likely to come along again with as much association to the number "666' as Bush are estimated at taking over a 172 billion years for it to likely happen again. Read below again - from webpage below - George Bush's name is equal to 666 if we use the Hebrew letter equivalents. It is also equal to 666 if we use the two most commonly used systems in numerology as well as in ASCII code......................................(too many equations to be listed here - refer to webpage below to see complete list)......................................there you have it - 666 - the number of the Beast, absolutely any way you care to add it up. The number of his name in Hebrew = 666. The number of his name using the Pythagorean system = 6. The Chaldean system = 6. ASCII code = 6. The number of his birthday = 6. His lucky number = 6. The number of the date when he was first elected Governor = 6. When he is first inaugurated Governor = 6. The number when he was inaugurated president of the United States = 6. The number of the man/beast named George Walker Bush = 666. http://www.bushisantichrist.com/ I know george bush is not the antichrist, just using that bushisantichrist website as reference for Bush's astronomical association to the number 666 is all. Has the Roman Catholic Church/Freemasons created another 666 figure centered around bush, because I can't see it any other way, and what I can't work out yet, is how they gave Bush's strong association with the number '666' because it comes from his name and birthdate too, and is something that the church/freemasons couldn't have done? Did they pick one of their freemason and ask if they could have to done to his yet unborn son???? The reason I point this out is because the odds of someone else being in U.S. politics having their birthdate and name that added up to '666' like Bush has, would still be astronomical odds too??? Do you know what bush's relation to the 666 is? I'm asking because there is nothing mentioned about this matter at your site, at figu or in the fcontact notes either is why. Is Bush = 666? many thanks Con Hi Con! Nice to hear from you. You pose a very good question, and my answer is: I don't know. (Why don't you post this on the FIGU board, and draw everybody's attention to it there and maybe somebody will know?) George is a good candidate for an ANTILOGOS, but I don't understand how it works ... whether he was deliberately given that name for numeological reasons, or Creation just makes it all work out that way. ?????? Salome, Dyson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dyson obviously hasn't been reading this world war 3 section of this forum here for him to suggest to me there, why don't I ask about this matter on the forum here. And I think we know why Dyson doesn't read or should I say why Dyson doesn't like reading the World War 3 section of this forum. Con Consolato Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 08:30 pm:        I'd like to point something out to all the people that posted in to tell me that 666 cannot be a person. Where in the contact notes does it say that 666 cannot be a person? All it says is in reference to the original 666 creation of 2000 years ago saying 666 is not the person, but rather the delusional figure that was created/made out of him, but where does it state that 666 cannot be a person with what that person is doing with his present day actions?? And where does it state that the freemasons/church cannot create another one either?? 138. The number 666 points fully to one of the Earth humans, but at the same time also to an extraterrestrial, and to the work of both. 139. But thereby to bear in mind is that the Earth human has arrived at the numerical value 666 - namely to the anti-logos, to lies and falseness - against his will. 140. This (happened) through a false name attributed to him against his will, given through fanatics, liars and deceivers, through religions, scharlatans and power-greedy ones. 141. The value of the number 666 also does not point to the essential person and the thoughts and acts of this already long passed away Earth human, rather on the delusional figure which was made out of him and who governs the Earth as a religious cult figure. It doesn't state either of them, and whatever it's says is only in reference to that 666 figure from 2000 years ago. So how can anyone say to me that 666 cannot be a person then, with the 666 representing the present day actions of what that person is doing or what is happening through that person????? And if 666 be that, then whatever way you look at it, you might as well say that 666 is that person then!! I really wouldn't know if Bush was 666 because there is nothing about Bush being 666 mentioned in the contact notes, at figu or at gaiaguys, but in light of all the things I pointed out over the past few pages here, my opinion is yes, he has to be because of the few things that I've already pointed out in my previous posts before about Bush as well as surrounding him as well as other things taking place I the world too. And one of those things that I pointed out about Bush were the ridiculous odds of 1 chance in 43,046,721,000 of someone being as strongly associated to the number 666 as what George Bush is!! How could I possibly believe that is just a pure coincedence that he is, when I think about it logically????? So I ask you all once again like I've ask so many times before, does that lying, meglomaniacal and delusional and low life freemason bastard George W. Bush = 666?? (as a newly created single 666, and nothing to do with the old 666, and not even as being part of the old 666 like what Der_beobachter had just said before either. If it is, is that why there's nothing mentioned about it in the contact notes because it had nothing to do with the old one?) Con Newinitiation Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 09:24 pm:        dear Consolato Hi Con, I would just like to say the point has been well made by you and I guess you get to a certain point where the act of defending your position becomes a non issue, others may see as becoming too repetitive and redundant, now that we have got your point clearly the question should be asked "so what"? is clarifying who or what this 666 business represents really that important to the bigger,more pressing concerns that lies ahead? I say this with good intentions seeing the contribution you also make to this discussion forum but I think it's about time we move on kind regards Consolato Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 01:14 am:        Hey Figu Moderators, I just noticed that one of my posts I posted here two days ago in this section didn't get posted?????? Con, Not sure what happened. I'll see if anyone else is having this problem Scott That post should have been posted before my post number 98 post, and without that post here, it appears that I'm suggesting there that Bush is also the antichrist as well as the 666! Oh well, in that post I made mention that Bush = 666 and Bush = 666/antichrist are two different matters, and whatever I said a few posts ago asking if Bush could be antichrist too, only had to do with a prophecy that was in the bible that said which person is the antichrist in these days we are in now. The reason I had to post this in is just because when Deobachter had pointed out to me that bush is not the antichrist, so people won't disregard or think that all the other information I've posted in to suggest if/that Bush is 666 is invalid or means nothing just because of that. And if anyone cares look back through the past few pages of this thread/section here they will see that everything that I posted only had to do with Bush being 666, and just a few posts back from here, in just two posts of mine is where I mentioned anything about Bush being the antichrist. Bush = 666 and Bush = 666/antichrist are two different matters. With the failure of that post of mine going in there, I had to mention this so as to avoid any possible confusion in what I've been suggestting and pointing forward about who Bush is. I also think with the failure of that post going in, called confusion and might be the reason behind why Deobachter posted his post to me back there too? If the forum had any technical faults during the past couple days with posts or with whatever, and moderators here know it did, then could a moderator please post something here to say and verify that it did happen, so I don't look so much like a bit of a fool with what I've suggesting here all along. The reason I post this here with confidence that the board had a technical problem, is because I remember when I had posted that post in a couple of days ago, it kept coming back to me reading a failure going in, and about the the fifth time I tried posting it in, it finally went in. Con Consolato Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 02:16 pm:        "dear Consolato Hi Con, I would just like to say the point has been well made by you and I guess you get to a certain point where the act of defending your position becomes a non issue, others may see as becoming too repetitive and redundant, now that we have got your point clearly the question should be asked "so what"? is clarifying who or what this 666 business represents really that important to the bigger,more pressing concerns that lies ahead?" Hi Newinitiation, point well taken and i apologise for being a bit of a drag with all this too. I just want to say that I believed that Bush was 666 'as a person' from his association to it. And if you look back when I started off this discussion here I was saying how I believe that Bush is 666, and then when some people started posting in and using the contact notes to tell me that Bush is not 666 because the contact notes say that 666 cannot be a person, it stuffed me up. But I still wasn't convinced about the contact notes and I still believed that he was, but I didn't have much material proof to use back then to back my case and I didn't want people to think the matter was over, so to keep the discussion going on the forum until some more information came along, I agreed with what these people were saying that 666 cannot be a person and changed my tune of what i was saying I believed it was just for them and started saying that if 666 cannot be a person and is not Bush, then 666 must represent various things around Bush just to keep the discussion going along in the hope that more or new information might come along to support my original belief that bush was 666. That is why I was dragging this all along a bit continuously dancing around the point if Bush could be 666. And now that we heard Dyson's reply which suggests that 666 can be a person, I will drop all that stuff I've been saying about how 666 must represents various things around Bush and now go back to what I was originally saying was going all along and that is that 666 is George Bush the person. I don't have time now to say this because i have to duck out but in my next post I mention why I wanted so strongly to work out how the freemasons gave Bush all his 666's. Hint from when i first started off this discussion - "G.W. BUSH is 666 and this has also been proven by using the known science of numerology." heck, I quickly say it now and just rush and post this all in and hope i won't make too many grammer errors here. For me to say there at that time that I believe that it was science that had given Bush his 666's means that I had to have originally believed that it was creation that gave Bush all his 666's. Thats why I could only talk about the freemason's here whenever I gave my opinion on how I thought Bush got his 666's after everyone people had posted in saying the contact notes say that 666 cannot be a person and also why i could only talk about the same thing in the email to Dyson too. You also notice how i didn't mention there to dyson in that post if he thought that Bush's 666's were from coincedence (coz only a fool would think it could be coincedence), and in ending the email I ended with saying do you know what bush's relation to the 666 is on the matter? I didn't expect Dyson to say that he thought it might also be creation that gave Bush his 666's and why i didn't make mention of science/creation in that post. I thought Dyson was more of a thinking freemason man then thinking about creation and science. I made no mention of my opinion that science/creation could also be behind Bush's 666's to Dyson, but Dyson never forgot about the workings of creation during his thought process about my question, shows how much Dyson is on the ball and how much he knows about the freemasons and about Creation! Dyson is wisdom on the ball! Don't get me wrong, I'm not making out here like I knowledgable about creation like Dyson is to know that it could of been creation that gave Bush his 666's because %95 of forum members here would know more then me on that. It's just what Dyson calls creation is what I just believed was the science of numerology that was working over bush was all. I'm also not saying now that it was creation behind bush's 666's either, because I've always believed it could be either of them that are responsible and I believe that still. But now that I know a little bit more about the freemasons since I started this conversation, and if I had to pick between the two of which one I thought it was, I would probably say that it was the freemasons that gave Bush his 666's by way of a planned and deliberate premeture cesarian section child birth. But when you consider that Bush would be responsible for the lives of around 4 billion people if world war 3 happens, it could very well be creation that gave Bush his 666's. Con Scott Moderator Post Number: 743 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 05:50 pm:        Con, Creation is neutral. Mankind creates his own evils. In my opinion Mr. Bush does not have the intelligence to be the evil creature he is made out to be. He is just a figure head, supported by forces working behind the scenes. The possibility always exists that he or others could change their collective minds in regards the way they are handling the power they hold. The possibility exists within each moment to bring about a different reality, but events have been set into motion, which take time to change. I do not think this constant dialogue about WWW 3, 666 etc,..is really improving anything. It would seem our efforts would be better spent on attempting to improve our individual lives, until the collective consciousness on this planet reaches a point where peace is possible and true love and wisdom is the rule of the day, and the teachings of truth are valued and respected by each being. Salome Scott Markc Member Post Number: 281 Registered: 06-2000 Posted on Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 06:35 pm:        I agree with Scott . There are those that always want simple , easy answers to everything : who is 666? It's been explained that it is the value of the church , the opposite of logic . Any evaluation or equation of Bush to that , would have to be in what he is promoting (sectarian based war, among other things). So it doesn't make him the 'devil child' or whatever , although his way of thinking already belongs to yesterday . He deals with things like the old conquerors did , as well as in early American history . Another point that I would like to make , is that people tend to take Billy Meier's statements from his writing and isolate them , without taking into context the surrounding and supporting information , which is really not all given in one place . there are layers to it all , and to make a quick judgement over it, is so lazy . It will take us all a very long time to get a grasp of his writing . Recognize something for what it is , but treat it neutrally , when you can learn to identify the concept in connection to anything that comes to your attention . Mark Campbell Consolato Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 02:49 am:        Hi Scott, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say there due to me rushing that post in, which can easily be seen by all the grammer and somantic mistakes I made in it. Correct me if I'm wrong here but from my understanding of what I've read so far the '666' is a cabalistic number based on a value which from what I understand means evil, destruction, annihilation of the truth etc, correct? And numerology and numbers have an affect on every person in character, at play and many other individual diferent various ways, correct?? When I say that I believe that "george bush is 666 the person" I am not refering to an evil creature being in him at all. And I am not refering to bush's spirit being evil either but rather just as the person and the numerological number/card he holds is 666 which is the most evil and rare one of all for some who has lots of power and represents lots of people like bush does. That is what I am saying by Bush is 666 the person, and by that I don't mean that Bush is the biggest and most evil creature that a person could be on this planet either, but rather pointing out when that person has lots of power at their disposal as well as that person represents a lot of people as well as their interests too on a planet, that through that person, the worst type of negative misdeeds and misfortunes could go through to happen to people and things on a planet on a large scale because the numerological card that person holds is 666, which is the worst possible one to have for some in that position and I say that based on the science of numerology and power of numbers, which is a law of creation is it not? I see creational laws, scientific laws and a science of things as all being one and the same thing because I believe that if anything is to be a creational law or a science of a things, and for it to work on one thing, and then for it to work on another of the same thing, then it must apply to all other of the same things (or people) in the universe or else it wouldn't be working and therefore cannot be a creational law or a scientific law or a science of a thing, would you agree? I believe that everything in the universe can only be a science of things and couldn't possibily be anything else. And I believe that creation is all science thru and thru, and definitely not being anything holy smoly or hocus pocus, and the powers of numerological numbers is real and applys to all! And if just through one person the biggest affecting worst type of negative (evil) thing were going to happen to people and things that were on a planet in EONS of time,(like ww3/3-4 billion dead) then I believe that person must hold the numerological card for it to happen, or else it wouldn't be a scientific law of creation. And George Bush/the person is prophecised as being a person who would be responsible for doing that if wporld war 3 happens and he just happens to hold that particular stupendancely rare astronomical numerological 666 card. I don't know if creation had given Bush all of his 666's, but I better much like prefering the idea that the freemasons were the one's who gave Bush all of his 666's because that would mean that the reason he mainly has that numerological card is for the purpose of all of Bush's freemasons mates to exploite Bush's U.S. presidency position while his in office and using the extra big power of the 'annihilation of the truth' in Bush's 666 numerological card to decieve humanity with for the freemasons own selfish personal gains, which is and what would be called all of George Bush's lies that we've all heard him say and we are still all hearing him continuously say about something most dreadful and evil that suddenly and mysteriously happened 5 years ago in one of his capital cities as well as all the lies Bush is also saying about this non existant massive international terrorism problem that we all have in the world today as well as all the lies about what him and the U.S. are doing about it. (666' is a cabalistic number based on a value which represents evil, destruction, annihilation of the truth etc,) I think it might be better for us if the freeemasons were the one's who gave bush his 666's and not that creation or the science of numerology had given Bush his 666's. Scott: "Creation is neutral. Mankind creates his own evils. In my opinion Mr. Bush does not have the intelligence to be the evil creature he is made out to be. He is just a figure head, supported by forces working behind the scenes." Scott, you probably know that the plejarens and billy have said that numerology is a science and is real and works, which means numbers affect all of us to some degree with our identity, character, actions and whatever is associated with the power of the numerological numbers that we hold. And I think with Bush having such a strong association with all them evil number 666's over him, I think about the negative effects and character stimulation from Bush's 666 would still be affecting him regardless about who gave Bush those 666's, and I think that you might be kidding yourself a little there thinking that Bush doesn't have the intelligence for there to be anything evil in him. I say that with confidence that there is plenty evil I see in him, because I know that bastard didn't give a stuff about that he was killing thousands of his own innocent people when 9/11 happened, it didn't phaze that prick not the least, not even one little bit about all the lives of all those thousands of innocent people, Bush played the biggest helping hand of the person that helped the most to help with the setup of 9/11. Bush has top job in the U.S. and he let it happen - that is the biggest helping hand that helped with the setup of 9/11. You do not see any evil in him with him doing that??? Bush see's his own people as being nothing more then numbers, he doesn't see them as being people, they mean absolutely nothing to Bush, and he see's them there as being an object or something thats there to be abused. Bush is not evil???? Billy is refering to something here as being "monstrous, really monstrous" and we all know that is well associated with something being evil. What was is billy reffering to as being the monstrous? The two world trade centre buildings coming down or Bush allowing all those thousand of people to die??? Contact 230 - Billy: monstrous, really monstrous. it would also be just as monstrous if/when the world trade centre would be destroyed by terrorists with captured comercial airplanes, through which thousands of people would die, that Bush junior - and various of his criminal trusted ones knew that then, however undertook nothing against it. A criminal act that gains Bush the upper hand and he can let loose against Islam, naturally always under the cloak/veil that they would free the USA and the world from terrorism. It would not be discussed that it would be the Bushes who would bring the greatest terror over the world, at least for the next 15 years. Quetzal: 666 that is correct. 1. Hint - which one of the two do you think that billy being of more value then the other??? 2. Hint - main name mentioned there? Why did Quetzal only say "666 that is correct" and nothing else? Who is Quetzal calling 666? Where is the only 666 in all of that? I think billy that would say the person on this planet who is called George W.Bush is low life and evil. Con Consolato Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 04:54 am:        And lastly, can anyone see a picture there of billy explaining about a horrific situation that happened of where a heartless person abused his position of power and heartlessly allowed thousands of his own innocent people to be murdered, and does anyone see in that picture Quetzal just blaming it all on the that person's 666's??? How much of a strong association does Bush have with the 666's? 1 chance in 43,046,721,000 and estimated at taking over a 172 billion years for someone to likely come again that had one as strong as him!! Is that strong and is that why Quetzal had just blamed it all on Bush's 666's??? That is what I believe is exactly going on there and if anyone thinks its not and thats it something else that is going on there, then for the benefit of not misleading forum readers with false information I kindly ask those people who may believe its otherwise to post and say what they think it is going on there. Barbarotico Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 11:31 am:        Consolato, that terrorist attack occured in the begining of Bush at the presidency. Why do you not accuse the president Clinton for those terrorist attacks? Remember that clinton cut off the budget of the intelligent agencies as the CIA and others. Remember that clinton was in the presidency for many years and if somebody hide those terrorist treats was Clinton. When an Affrican country offered the head of Bin Laden for 4 millions of dollars Clinton did not accept the offer. Carter was another garbage of president. Carter prohibited the human intelligence and betrayed the Shad of Iran and put the fanatical religious on the power. All those ultraliberals from the left has been a big garbage as presidents. The only thingh that I'm not agree with Bush is with the war in Iraq. Jo_jo Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 12:40 pm:        Consolato, Billy Meier has said that the correct cabbalistic values for letters are known only in the German language. Therefore, all your references to G.W. Bush equallilng 666 are not in accord with Billy's understanding/teaching. Barbarotico Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 07:19 pm:        All form of pacifism in a world filled of criminals and terrorists is degeneration. When the time to kill comes then we have to kill the degenerate negatives to reach the equilibrium in the society. Many right wing presidents had to repair many stupidities done by left wind reaccionary, ultraliveral and quasi-communist presidents. Consolato Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 07:41 pm:        Originally said by Barbarotico: "Consolato, that terrorist attack occured in the begining of Bush at the presidency. Why do you not accuse the president Clinton for those terrorist attacks? Remember that clinton cut off the budget of the intelligent agencies as the CIA and others. Remember that clinton was in the presidency for many years and if somebody hide those terrorist treats was Clinton." Hi barbarotico, bush let it happen and I think if you use some common sense when reading contact 230 below you should quite easily see which person, persons or group of people or organisation that quetzal is blaming mainly for why 9/11 happened. I give you 3 easy hints to help you out here too - Contact 230 - Billy: monstrous, really monstrous. it would also be just as monstrous if/when the world trade centre would be destroyed by terrorists with captured comercial airplanes, through which thousands of people would die, that Bush junior - and various of his criminal trusted ones knew that then, however undertook nothing against it. A criminal act that gains Bush the upper hand and he can let loose against Islam, naturally always under the cloak/veil that they would free the USA and the world from terrorism. It would not be discussed that it would be the Bushes who would bring the greatest terror over the world, at least for the next 15 years. Quetzal: 666 that is correct. Hint 1: which organisation in the U.S. is responsible for setup of 9/11. I think the Freemasons (one and the same) and George Bush (especially bush coz biggest helping hand in 9/11 was his for letting it happen) were the main one's responsible for orchestrating the 9/11 attacks too and this is the evidence I believe which easily supports this is here and is the freemasons once again exploiting the value powers associated with numbers and numerology to benefit their wicked and decieptful activities. According to freemasonary the number '11' symbolizes all that is evil and imperfect - WTC Facts: The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11. Each building had "11"0 stories. After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year. September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11. 119 is the area code for Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11, 911 - 119 are opposites - enemies? 11 11 polarity. Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11. The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11. Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11. Flight 11 had 11 crew members onboard. Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11. State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union. "New York City" has 11 letters. "Afghanistan" - 11 letters. "The Pentagon" - 11 letters. "Ramzi Yousef" - 11 letters (convicted of orchestrating the attack on the WTC in 1993). please have a quick look at this site - http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/index02.htm Hint 2: wether billy knew at the time when he was talking to quetzal that it was the freemasons who orchestrated the setup of 9/11 , I do not know and is questionable. Wether billy was refering to Bush's freemasons mates when he said this "various of his criminal trusted ones" I don't not know but lets see who Quetzal blames 9/11 happening on, Bush? Bush's criminal mates? Bush's freemason mates? Hint 3: from webpage below - George Bush's name is equal to 666 if we use the Hebrew letter equivalents. It is also equal to 666 if we use the two most commonly used systems in numerology as well as in ASCII code......................................(too many equations to be listed here - refer to webpage below to see complete list)......................................there you have it - 666 - the number of the Beast, absolutely any way you care to add it up. The number of his name in Hebrew = 666. The number of his name using the Pythagorean system = 6. The Chaldean system = 6. ASCII code = 6. The number of his birthday = 6. His lucky number = 6. The number of the date when he was first elected Governor = 6. When he is first inaugurated Governor = 6. The number when he was inaugurated president of the United States = 6. The number of the man/beast named George Walker Bush = 666. http://www.bushisantichrist.com/ george bush is not the antichrist, just using that bushisantichrist website as reference for Bush's astronomical association to the number 666 is all. Hint 4: 1 chance in 43,046,721,000 for the to be another person on planet with as much association to the 666's as bush and it is estimated at taking over a 172 billion years for another person likely come again that had one as strong as him!! Hint 5: Bush is the only 666 on the planet and there has never been another one like before in the history of planet earth and likely never to ever happen again too because our earth's sun is estimated to die in next 5 billion years. Hint 6: Who is 666, and who is Quetzal calling 666, and can you see a 666 in that picture there? Hint 7: Which one out of these four is Quetzal blaming 9/11 solely on for 9/11 happening - Clinton - George W.Bush? - Bush's criminal mates? - Bush's freemason mates? The fact that Quetzal is blaming 9/11 mainly on George Bush should be all the evidence there is to know that George Bush did not just let it happen but that he helped in the orchestrating of the 9/11 attack. When someone has blamed solely for something that has occured wether its a crime or whatever, does that not mean that without that person's input in that crime/something that had occured that it means that crime/something that happened would not have occured??? Billy: Care for a few pointers? George W. Bush, 1978-84: senior executive, Arbusto Energy/Bush Exploration, an oil company; 1986-90: senior executive of the Harken oil company. Dick Cheney, 1995-2000: chief executive of the Halliburton oil company. Condoleezza Rice, 1991-2000: senior executive with the Chevron oil company, which named an oil tanker after her. And so on. Originally said by Consolato: "I believe the Church's/Freemasons/Illuminati's people positioned in the U.S. were the one's behind orchestrating the 9/11 attacks so that the U.S. can then go and carry out it's bogus war on terror campain to invade other countries, namely Iraq and the middle east. It appears they did this so Bush and all his oilhead Freemason mates can first get their greedy hands on Iraq's oil. Also with the alert and scare of the international terrorist threat, it also appears they did this so that Congress will also hand out billions of extra dollars to the U.S.'s army and defence so that all of Bush's freemasons mates in the Army, CIA, U.S. Secret Service, ect. will have more money and power given to them as well as for the next decade or so giving plenty of work to all of Bush's Freemason mates and organisations who supply militry with militry arms too. They are some of the apparent likely reasons for the setup of 9/11 attacks. Who knows what other reasons or what else the Freemasons/Bush and the U.S. hope to gain in the end as well as this, from the setup of Bush into office, the setup of the delusional Bush/God/America '666' figure, the setup of 9/11, and from the setup of the Bogus international terrorist treat? World Domination?" Barbarotico, don't say that I didn't make that too easy for you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I liked to mention what 666 actually is: 666 is a cabalistic number which represents evil, destruction, annihilation of the truth etc, Firstly, I believe that 666 is nothing more then a numerological TOOL that the Freemason's use in their corrupt activities to help them decieve humanties with on a large scale. They do this to exploite the power associated from the value and property of numbers and 9/11 facts to do with number 11 above was one of them. The other one is what everyone knows was when the turned Jmmanuel into that ficticious jesus christ figure to decieve humanity with. They gave Jmmaneul's name a 666 number as well as associate and surround jesus with things that added up to the value of 666 too, example god, church, apostle, saint, ect. The freemasons are using the annilation of the truth that comes from 666 (666' is a cabalistic number based on a value which represents evil, destruction, annihilation of the truth etc,) And here is the other one that I noticed that created or did. It is my opinion only and found nowhere else, so it could be wrong, so it up to people to decide for themselves if this is what going on there - Originally posted by Consolato - "I don't know if creation had given Bush all of his 666's, but I better much like prefering the idea that the freemasons were the one's who gave Bush all of his 666's because that would mean that the reason he mainly has that numerological card is for the purpose of all of Bush's freemasons mates to exploite Bush's U.S. presidency position while his in office and using the extra big power of the 'annihilation of the truth' in Bush's 666 numerological card to decieve humanity with for the freemasons own selfish personal gains, which is and what would be called all of George Bush's lies that we've all heard him say and we are still all hearing him continuously say about something most dreadful and evil that suddenly and mysteriously happened 5 years ago in one of his capital cities as well as all the lies Bush is also saying about this non existant massive international terrorism problem that we all have in the world today as well as all the lies about what him and the U.S. are doing about it, as well as so many other lies concerning so many other things too." The freemasons are using the annilation of the truth that comes from 666 (666' is a cabalistic number based on a value which represents evil, destruction, annihilation of the truth etc,) Originally posted by Consolato - "you probably know that the plejarens and billy have said that numerology is a science and is real and works, which means numbers affect all of us to some degree with our identity, character, actions and whatever is associated with the power of the numerological numbers that we hold. And I think with Bush having such a strong association with all them evil number 666's over him, I think about the negative effects and character stimulation from Bush's 666 would still be affecting him regardless about who gave Bush those 666's, and I think that you might be kidding yourself a little there thinking that Bush doesn't have the intelligence for there to be anything evil in him. I say that with confidence that there is plenty evil I see in him, because I know that bastard didn't give a stuff about that he was killing thousands of his own innocent people when 9/11 happened, it didn't phaze that prick not the least, not even one little bit about all the lives of all those thousands of innocent people, Bush played the biggest helping hand of the person that helped the most to help with the setup of 9/11. Bush has top job in the U.S. and he let it happen - that is the biggest helping hand that helped with the setup of 9/11. You do not see any evil in him with him doing that??? Bush see's his own people as being nothing more then numbers, he doesn't see them as being people, they mean absolutely nothing to Bush, and he see's them there as being an object or something thats there to be abused. Bush is not evil????" I like to ask something else on this as well too - Contact 230 - Billy: monstrous, really monstrous. it would also be just as monstrous if/when the world trade centre would be destroyed by terrorists with captured comercial airplanes, through which thousands of people would die, that Bush junior - and various of his criminal trusted ones knew that then, however undertook nothing against it. A criminal act that gains Bush the upper hand and he can let loose against Islam, naturally always under the cloak/veil that they would free the USA and the world from terrorism. It would not be discussed that it would be the Bushes who would bring the greatest terror over the world, at least for the next 15 years. Quetzal: 666 that is correct. Is Quetzal blaming George Bush or is Quetzal blaming George Bush's numerological 666? Can you see the evil measurement of diference of power that number 666 has on a person and how much it can affect him from a nice guy to av evil guy who wont two shits or blink an eye about killing thousands of his own people??? That is how strong that number is, and for Quetzal to blame it on Bush's 666's, my interpretation is that if Bush didn't have those 666's that 9/11 would not have happened because Bush wouldn't have been such as cold hearted evil person. It turns people into cold hearted evil murderers. And who here is to say that if they were in bush's job and they had the same numerological card as bush that they wouldn't have done it too???? George Bush's name is equal to 666 if we use the Hebrew letter equivalents. It is also equal to 666 if we use the two most commonly used systems in numerology as well as in ASCII code......................................(too many equations to be listed here - refer to webpage below to see complete list)......................................there you have it - 666 - the number of the Beast, absolutely any way you care to add it up. The number of his name in Hebrew = 666. The number of his name using the Pythagorean system = 6. The Chaldean system = 6. ASCII code = 6. The number of his birthday = 6. His lucky number = 6. The number of the date when he was first elected Governor = 6. When he is first inaugurated Governor = 6. The number when he was inaugurated president of the United States = 6. The number of the man/beast named George Walker Bush = 666. http://www.bushisantichrist.com/ george bush is not the antichrist, just using that bushisantichrist website as reference for Bush's astronomical association to the number 666 is all. Originally posted by Jo-jo - "Consolato, Billy Meier has said that the correct cabbalistic values for letters are known only in the German language. Therefore, all your references to G.W. Bush equallilng 666 are not in accord with Billy's understanding/teaching." Hi Jo_jo, So why are the freemasons doing using them then on such historical large scale event's like Jesus as well as others if they didn't have the correct cabbalistic values for letters then?????? Also Bush's is the same as Jesus's one, so please explain to me what's going on there???? How easy is it too translate German to English language too??? I think that the freemason's should get the blame for 9/11 happening because I beleieve that they were the one's who gave Bush his 666 and in effect turn the incarnation that is George Bush today, in the meglomaniacal cold heartless prick that he is. How did they do it? I also believe that they also would have had to have given Bush jnr a deliberate premeture early child birth when he was born, so that his birthdate added up to 666 too. Bush is 1 chance in 43,046,721,000 and I believe the reason for that is because he was made into that is why and if you think about it, its not that hard to do. I also believe that if George Bush snr didn't give them the approval to have it done to his son that George W.Bush would probably have been a nice person. I say Bush is 666 and is evil but take away Bush's 666's and I believe that I would probably be saying that Bush is not a bad person, and could even be saying that Bush is a really nice guy too. I am not trying to be a 'Mr Somebody' with all this here because most Mr Somebodies have an image they worry about and they don't like hurting that image when admitting that their wrong. I came into this discussion saying that bush is/might be the antichrist, was wrong, then I said bush and bin laden are working together and was wrong again, and if anyone cares to look back a few pages they will see me admit where I see myself say something wrong and bring it too everyone's attention and there's two reason's why I do that. 1: I just seek the truth is all and we are all here because we all share one thing in common with each other and that is we all seek to know the truth. 2. Spiritual teachings say to never speak an untruth. The reason why I am saying all this is to say that I admit when I am wrong, and I feel the same way when I feel I am right too and think thats its others who are wrong. And I think everyone who posted in here saying that 666 cannot be a person is wrong. I believe 666 can be a person as I have just shown. The other thing I believe is that 666 is nothing more then a numerological TOOL that the Freemason's use in their corrupt activities to help them decieve people on a large scale by using the power of 'annihilation of the truth' which 666 represents - (666' is a cabalistic number based on a value which represents evil, destruction, annihilation of the truth etc,) 666 = Tool used by the freemasons to help them in the 'annihilation of the truth' from people on large scale for the benefit of their deceiptful activities. And 11 over 9/11 was another. All numbers have their own property values and I won't say much more because I am not a numerologist and also because i only know around the same about numerology as most people here is why. That is what I believe is going on there and if anyone thinks its not and thats it something else that is going on there, then for the benefit of not misleading forum readers with false information I kindly ask those people who may believe its otherwise to post and say what they think it is going on there. If I am wrong I will gladly accept that I am then. Con Scott Moderator Post Number: 744 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 10:41 pm:        Con, In the number of posts you have entered, you are repeating certain paragraphs over and over. Please stop doing this; you are eating up server space. For me it is very hard reading long posts such as yours. I think it would be helpful and more beneficial to others if you could shorten your posts, just a suggestion. Scott

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