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Author Message Consolato Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 04:04 pm:        Der_beobachter said: "This 666 webpage is to be read thoroughfully, slowly to understand it the message it has to offer to those who wish to understand a little bit more about it." I really wish you would stop believing that I believe in all that holy smolly religious crap because of your failure to work out yet that that is not what I meant at all before when I mentioned the Antichrist, and also your failure in realising what I said in my past few recent posts too, and I also really wish you would stop telling your incorrect assumption of what you think I believe in to everyone else too! And I also really wish that you would pay attention to what Dyson said before about that I was also right in what I saying about the 666 too?? I really wish you would stop continuing on like this about me here with informing/telling everyone that I am wrong??? Consolato Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 12:47 am:        I've had enough of being treated like this and I don't believe anyone can blame me in any way for posting this. Originally said by Markc addressed to Consolato - "Pay attention here please . Dyson has already expalained it to you but you obviously did not read his entire post." With all due respect to you Mark, where are you to inform Der Beobachter about the same sort of thing like you did to me there, which would have been to inform Der Beobachter to please pay attention to what others are saying in this discussion here, it's because he's obviously not listening?? Why haven't you said that yet after Dyson had said that I was also right here in what I saying about the 666 too?? Why are you and also other Figu moderators here still letting Der Beobachter continue here after Dyson had said, or do you think that you and everyone else here in this section would know more about that 666 matter then Dyson does? I woundn't really know but according to what I hear and apart from billy, Dyson is the man for that. Everything I've been saying here about 666 is completely new and not said before, but if anyone would know if it is possible, Dyson would probably be the person who know out of all of us, is he not? Then why haven't you told Der Beobachter to stop posting them posts which do nothing more then inform others here about incorrect and untrue information about me, which can only give people here the wrong impression about what I'm putting forward here in my posts is wrong when you and some other moderators here know that there could be some validity in what I put forward here or don't you and other moderators don't pay close attention to what the person most likely here to have the most knowledge about this when he makes his first post? I don't believe that would have been the case there. And that leaves me with the uncomfortable feeling that the moderators are of the opinion and would prefer poeple to not pay much attention to my posts. I don't know if that's true but that's what the feeling I am left here with, and I think thats most unfair for the moderators not to do that and help me out with the same thing, because they all know very well how much trouble I been having here trying to get my point across to other people on this particular matter or did they not think I wouldn't notice?? Also if the moderators are of the opinion that what I'm putting forward here is not valid and prefer if I would just drop this discussion, let me know that and I'll gladly do so because I don't like being treated on the same level as the others because I felt very uncomfortable here looking/feeling like a fool up here on my own for the whole time discussing something that no-one else believe's is true. And I think that it was most unfair any moderator not to say something to help me out after Dyson said I was right too, because not only have the moderators seen what was going on here to know that a lot of people here for some reason been misreading my posts, but they also would have read all the numerous times I had to post to justify myself from people's failure to read things I said in my posts which proved that they were wrong in what they were doing, because another moderator had posted this to me on prior page to inform of a good reason why I should stop posting lengthy posts which are mainly full of me qouting myself, "Con, In the number of posts you have entered, you are repeating certain paragraphs over and over. Please stop doing this; you are eating up server space. For me it is very hard reading long posts such as yours. I think it would be helpful and more beneficial to others if you could shorten your posts, just a suggestion. Scott" which really makes wonder even more about what the reason might have been why no moderator bothered to help me out here because that post received 4 votes on it from people here and I assure you not one of them was from me because they were there the same day it was posted, and for a moderator to have to inform me that I should be pay more attention to what others are saying in this matters, he should also be paying attention too, which means that I know that the moderator who said that to me has not got a good excuse to give me for what I am complaining here and with good reason too, and if I get up and leave it'll be that moderators fault because I don't like it all when I'm not treated the same as everyone else is and being the the nature of what I had to needlessly put up here in this particular discussion I deserve to hear a good exuse for why this was allowed to continue way before Dyson had even put his post in, but I know no moderator here on the forum get give me a good excuse at all for why I wasn't treated on the same level that others were being treated around me. Even after I mentioned so many times what was going on in this discussion about all these wrong things being said about me and I mentioned a couple times already how uncomfortable I felt about having to conitously keep quote myslef to justify so many times to all those people's obvious trivial mistakes (hinted long ago). And if anyone asks if I felt stupid in any of this, I would tell them that of course I felt stupid, especially when that stupid post came out asking me to stop repeating mnyself with the same things over and over again because that post should have been obvously addressed to a number of other people, but not me, and for an example that moderaors post addressed to me was posted a full 4 days after the day that post from Der_beobachter was needlessly posted to me over obvious and simple misunderstanding and mistake on Der_beobachter part and here's how it started off with - "Dear Consolato, I am sorry but you are mixing things here Consolato. There is no such thing as "Antichrist" but only ANTILOGOS, and you are not well informed about it." and this is what was in my number 108 post posted back to him on the same day explaining to Der_beobachter that I shouldn't have to be posting these lengthy posts of mine to defend myself from his obvious and careless trivial mistakes his making which are along the lines of that his not paying much attention if any when reading my posts - "Hi Deobachter, instead of me having to write my long and lengthy number 103 post to you, explaining how I think you've misunderstood me in thinking that I was stating to people that Bush is the antichrist, when I wasn't, as well as with me mentioning lots of other things about what I was trying to do and say here regarding this bush and this 666 matter, I should have just asked you if you had read what I said in the last paragraph of my 101 post which is the post that is posted, just before you posted your lengthy post to me there? If you did, then it might have saved you writing most of all that out that you said to me there." I wouldn't be surprised if some moderator posts in to inform me to please stop posting all these lengthy needless posts in and then blame it me again for postings these lengthy needless posts in to defend myself from other people's obvious and careless mistakes that people are regularly making when they are reading my posts which is they are not paying much ATTENTION if any and also they are not reading all of my posts which is why I have to repeat posting the sections that they carelessly missed reading, i really wouldn't, not when that stupid mods post came out there to tell me to stop posting in all these lengthy needless posts that I'm posting to defend myself, and saying it's because I am eating up server space and then a short time later another mods posts gets posted to me to tell me to please pay attention here to what another person is in his posts, saying I obviously didn't read his entire post. It would be hard for me to choose between both those two moderators posts to me there I would see as being both more stupid or as being both more unfair to me. If any moderator would prefer it better that I just drop this discussion altogether here, they only need to let me know that is how is they feel and I would gladly do that. Consolato Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 06:08 am:        Bin Laden was innocent and it was America that is the evil party, so they freemason's setup 9/11 to happen so the whole world thought it was the much respected GOD BLESS America just sitting there minding its own business when suddendly these evil international terrorist went over to America and destroyed the world Trade Centre and the world now believes that is what happen, when george bush went to air the next few days all of america's sympathy from the world went straight onto him because he is the person that represents america. AND how can anyone forget has shocked all people around the world were with the evil that happened to America and how could anyone who was watching on TV each night for the next week 'which was everyone in the world' forget watching George Bush talking about how evil it was what the evil terrorist did to George Bush U.S. country that he represents that was just sitting there minding it's own business. And how could anyone in the world forget George Bush telling the world on TV each night for the next week that America never runs away from evil terrorists, instead America hunts evil terrorists down and George Bush was telling the world that he intends to hunts the evil terrorists down. During that week all the world's sympathy for America had gone straight onto George Bush because everyone's knows that George Bush represents America. And now with the world's sympathy for America in 9/11 is now on George Bush and for the next few weeks the world is hearing George Bush say that on behalf of his country his going to do all these things with his army to hunt those evil terrorists down so justice can be done and he won't let nothing get in his way. Now with all of America's sympthy for what happened in 9/11 on George Bush, and with everyone in the world knowing that George Bush is the U.S. president, George Bush shortly after that announcers to the world that he is sending his army into invade another country to hunt those evil terrorists down, and now with all the world's sympathy on Bush for what has happened to America, Bush sends his armies in, with the World seeing George Bush as the person who represents the interests of America and with George Bush being all 666 the 'annilation of the truth' is going to help keep world the world in place from speaking out about what Bush is doing because the world see's George Bush as the person who represents America but George Bush the person is all 666's even how he got all the way up to be U.S president is all 666, see below - George Bush's name is equal to 666 if we use the Hebrew letter equivalents. It is also equal to 666 if we use the two most commonly used systems in numerology as well as in ASCII code......................................(too many equations to be listed here - refer to webpage below to see complete list)......................................there you have it - 666 - the number of the Beast, absolutely any way you care to add it up. The number of his name in Hebrew = 666. The number of his name using the Pythagorean system = 6. The Chaldean system = 6. ASCII code = 6. The number of his birthday = 6. His lucky number = 6. The number of the date when he was first elected Governor = 6. When he is first inaugurated Governor = 6. The number when he was inaugurated president of the United States = 6. The number of the man/beast named George Walker Bush = 666. http://www.bushisantichrist.com/ esident is all 666 too, and the proof is below - So how does the 'annilation of the truth' that 666 represents work and how does 666 help to keep the world from seeing the truth of what Bush is really doing and how does it have people under its power and not from speaking out?? For George Bush's 666 to work on poeple, 666 can only work on people if they put their emotions on George Bush and george Bush has all the World's sympathy for the evil thing that happened to America/911 on him. So when people see George Bush doing all these illegal and wrongs things in the world, and with people seeeing George Bush as person who represents America, and with George Bush being nothing but all 666's the 'annilation of the truth' that 666 represents will work by helping to stop people from seeing through all the wrongs things that George Bush is doing with his army, depends on how much sympathy people put on George Bush for what happened in 9/11, if it's lots, then people will defenitely not see that what George Bush is doing with his army wrong, but they will definitely see it as what George Bush is doing with his army is wrong, but he only has to do that because of what the evil people did to his country and they will turn a blind eye to all. The 666 and the values it represents can only work on people only if they put one of their emotions on it and as long as people has one of their emotions on it, 666 will definitely have an affect on them, no diferent to how the Plejarens say that our numerology numbers we have over us has an affect on our personality, character, ect. And anyone who thinks that this couldn't possibly work on people can it? I say to them then why have the freemason's gone to extreme measure's to cover George Bush in nothing but 666's if the freemason's didn't think it would work then? I also say to them if George Bush was just sitting there with all them 666's and the U.S. that Bush represents hadn't done nothing bad or evil in the world I might not be saying anything, but 9/11 happened just so coincedently happened just as Bush came to power, perfect timing, and its obvious that for the past 4 odd years now that a lot of people around the world have not liked seeing all the wrong things that the U.S. is doing in another country still after the U.S. invaded it to destroy weopons of mass destructions that they said they were there, but the weopons weren't there, and the U.S. is still there, but that was long ago, and since then the world's been watching all the violence and deaths that's been happening there on daily occurence because of the U.S. being in a country it has no business being in, and no-one in the world is saying anything about it!! Why hasn't anyone been complaining about it but all have been only turning the other way?? How strange is that?? Nowhere near as strange as what it would be to suggest that all George Bush's 666's they are all over him got there by coincedence. And with the Freemason responsible for corruptly setting George Bush all the way up to the office, it would be absolutely silly to even suggest that they would not have been watching what the days were that certain things about how George Bush got his way all the up to the office happened on, because the freemason are obsessed with their occult numerology!! Does anyone who reading what I said here need to go and ask someone about wether or not this could really be true, or can't they easily work it all out for themselves, and sat to themselves of course, thats what must only be going on there and that is how they are using George Bush's 666's to work in lot's of people's head in the world on a grand scale just like the first 666 the freemason's created 2000 years ago but that 666 from 2000 years ago was a ficticous delusional figure and George Bush is not ficticous at all, which means that 666 can be a person!! So I was right all along here saying that 666 can be a person then! And why have I never seen any site in the world explain how they the church/freemason's were actually doing with Bush's 666's. George Bush 'the persons' is 666's are working in the world today and that 9/11 was setup specially only just for George Bush and definitely not for anyone else because George Bush is the only 666 like that thats ever been on planet and why else would the freemason waste their time going to extreme measure to give George Bush all his 666's if they were going to use them while Bush was in office and then after the freemasons set George Bush up all the way into the office, why would the freemason's setup and do 9/11 for, if it wasn't just to use George Bush's 666's? over 9/11 and the freemason's used Bush's 666's on the world sympathy for 9/11. And if anyone asks WHY I have made more SENSE in this post then I did in any of the other posts I posted here about what the 666's were and how they work, I would tell that it's because it's my last post here on this discussion here in this section of the forum just to show everyone here who couldn't figure it out by themselves before with I been saying in here in this section but could only work it out now with this post, just to let the people who can only work it out now that didn't need this post here to work that out because all this on this post I said before, and if they were paying attention to my other posts they would have easily worked it out too, which means they obviously weren't reading my entire posts. Barbarotico Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 10:03 am:        Consolato, you are watching to many movies of science ficcion. Leave that game of applying numbers to the peoples. The number are too flexibles and can be applied to any thing with any invention. Your irrational hate to Bush made makes you hallucinate. Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 10:33 am:        Dear Discussion Bored (sic) and moderators, I want to try – briefly! – to set the record straight here, so you don’t have to try to struggle up through the previous postings. Con has been writing me similar quantities of verbiage privately, and I’m sorry to say I eventually had to be rather stern with him, telling him that any more private emails from him will be deleted as unread. Of course I regret having to do this. (It’s a first.) And I’m sorry if Con’s feelings were hurt. I’m only human. Our important email correspondence ALONE now takes me the better part of 8 hours a day/night, 7 days/nights a week, which leaves inadequate time for real progress on much more important fronts. We have a very slow Internet connection here in the Australian bush. Con’s endlessly repeated assertions here that somehow I said he was right and Der Beobachter was wrong are, of course, the exact opposite of the truth. I do not understand what the difficulty is here, but I’m starting to suspect that we are all being conned, so to speak. It would not be the first time. In my post 118 I mis-typed one line. I meant to write, “People can embody it.” (ANTILOGOS), not, of course, “People can be embodied by it.” But certainly people can be motivated by it. And I claim no monopoly on spiritual wisdom, either. Nor is this a contest. My only distinction, in so far as I am aware, is I have read all Billy’s openly published work, which STILL amounts to (I think) a bit less than half of it because I am not a FIGU member (yet) and I have therefore not read the Spirit Lessons. I do, however, have more to say about Bush, the Illuminati, the NWO and 666, but that will be later. Salome, Dyson Tjames Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 12-2004 Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 12:56 pm:        Thank you Dyson, It's amazing how much people talk without knowing the true weight their words carry. Keep up the good work!! Were not perfect, but in striving for perfection we must never forget that we do not know everything. I am slowly progressing in German but more than 60% of the words are understandable now (Up from 0%) and on to German 102 I go as it's very exciting to understand this language and even more so Billy's writings. OM being the first on my list with Einfuhrung in Die Meditation. On to ww3... Also, there is alot of aggression and opposition towards Prs. Bush over this United Arab Emirates deal and I'm thinking this administration is sinking to new depths to put a spin on (at least America's view) of what the Arabs intentions and capabilities actually are. Meaning that I feel the Bush administration is losing steem so to speak and this could spell and end to the administration, or it will spell a "bang" as they go. One result can equal a more peaceful withdrawl of American troops from the middle eastern countries but the other sadly reflects a 3rd world war disaster. Salome, Tim Der_beobachter Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 05:00 pm:        Consolato, Consolato I will BLOW my Didgeridoo LOUD AND CLEAR in your ears for to ear it in clarity. I will dance the Korroboree for you to understand it some points here once and for good. You do not know me. You do not know who I am. What I do and such. And I do not know you either. You are wrong Consolato and I will NOT consolate you in your delusions quite opposite. No consolation for you. You said: "I am sorry but this 666 thing that you and everyone else here thinks is and could only be this one particulr ficticous 666 figure of Jesus, God, ect that the freemason's/RCC/Illuminati created some 2000 years ago, I'm sorry to say are wrong"" Where did you come from? Who are you? What kind of agenda do you have? Do you read - for the last time I ask you - do you read a single word of german language? Do you know WHO is Billy Meier? What is FIGU? What is the Mission about? Do you even know what kind of FORUM is this one and to WHAT is related to? For it seems you do not know where you are Consolato. I am sorry Consolato. I say here in full words THAT YOU are the wrong one here pal completely immerserd in your delusions Consolato. Even the sum of the equivalent numbers and letters of your name shows clearly that you have some kind of problem. I will not explain or show to you how to find this. Learn ot for yourself. I am a good friend of Dyson Devine and you cannot understand what I am trying to say or what Dyson was trying to explain to you. You try to put words into the mouth of people Consolato. And besides you insist in this "ANTICHRIST" "crap". Crap Consolato is your presuming, your assumptions, misguided things you write here. YOU Consolato is the WRONG one here. Exactly like Dyson said I will repeat his words here: "And I claim no monopoly on spiritual wisdom, either. Nor is this a contest." But I have INSIGHT and Feelings, and Intelligence enough to understand certain thing which you cannot understand Consolato with only these tiny bits of information you have. . I am sorry. This is the LAST time I post something here directed to you Consolato. ES KAPUT! Accordingly to the true CABALA *and NOT THIS TRASH here at this website: that it is taught in the Lessons of Spirit this name G.W.B and as the true numerology which is taught by Billy Meier, and by following the German alphabet, its letters and corresponding numbers this is what I have found about this self-deluded human being G E O R G E W A L K E R B U S H 9 5 7 2 9 5 6 2 5 9 5 2 9 6 3 1 ___________ ___________ _______ 37 29 19 37 -> 3+7=10 29 -> 2+9=11 = 1+1=2 19 -> 1+9=10=1 1+2+1=3 G E O R G E W A L K E R B U S H = equals a number 3 person. A Person who is an Egoist, Jealous,Megalomaniac,delusions of grandeur ,with strong desire to be a Sovereign, a Narcisist. His name G E O R G E W A L K E R B U S H also shows 2 times the number nine 9+9=18 (two times the number 18) A mumber 18 person is full of weirdness,lugubrious,blackly,treachery/treacherous, hanky-panky,a dire who uses to lead public authorities, and the all the world around to revolutions and wars. 18 also is a negative number because it is a multiple of 6 (in the Antilogos sense) 6+6+6=18 = 18 is also the number of the Antilogos. Therefore this person also possess the number of the ANTILOGOS in his name. G E O R G E W A L K E R B U S H = A REAL BEAST 666 INDEED. But NOTHING TO DO to this Consolato´s crap "antichrist" BS that he became an addict by reading here: http://www.bushisantichrist.com/ PERIOD.!!!! Over...I am Disconnecting Consolato...for good. Hi mate "D" downunder. The Didgeridoo will always rule in the Southern parts of this Blue Planet Earth where the Southern Cross Stars shine nicely in the sky. Therefore blow the Didge downunder also as Loud as you can mate!!! Der Beobachter Edelweiß Jo_jo Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 06:51 pm:        Der Beobachter, Just for the sake of neutral-positive accuracy, 1 + 2 + 1 = 4. So Bush is a number 4 person, not a number 3 person. That actually makes more sense. In your description of the number 3 person, you listed only the negative qualities. Surely there would be some positive qualities as well. This would apply to a number 4 person too (both negative and positive qualities). Can you clarify what you mean by His name G E O R G E W A L K E R B U S H also shows 2 times the number nine 9+9=18 (two times the number 18). Do you mean the number 9 appears in his name 2 times or 4 times? Barbarotico Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 07:00 pm:        Did you knew? The 3rd airplane of the terrorist attacks of 9/11 was shut-down by military aircraft. (this is fact) The governmen told to the mass media that the tripulation fighted with the terrorists and smashed the airplane on the ground. (this is a lie) Barbarotico Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 07:26 pm:        Some body that know the German numerology of Billy Meier can study my name and tell me what mean? my name: Abdiel Gonzalez Consolato Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 10:10 pm:        I asked Dyson to come over and read the thread to let me know if I am right and when he thought he was saying that threee people were right with this - GAIAGUYS SAID 23rd feb: "Con’s endlessly repeated assertions here that somehow I said he was right and Der Beobachter was wrong are, of course, the exact opposite of the truth" "I do not understand what the difficulty is here, but I’m starting to suspect that we are all being conned, so to speak." GAIAGUYS SAID in frist post here on 20th feb: "Con, Der Beobachter Edelweiß is correct." I seen that as being three people's name there thinking that Gaiaguys was saying there that all three paople are correct there, so I take back. It was because I never seen Der Beobachter second name written anywhere. That is why I was saying that Dyson said I was ALSO right too. That also answers your question about wether or not you are all being conned too. However that does not have much of an affect about what my complaint about with Der Beobachter was about, Der Beobachter saying that I believe in the ANtichrist as being a real person and for the past 10 odd days no matter how many times I posted in quotes of myself to prove that I was only ever refering to a ficticious antichrist, Der Beobachter still continued posting posts in saying that the antichrist is not a real person. I was continuly pulling all sort of quotes out of posts of mine I posted in way before Der Beobachter posted his 39 post on the 15th. All these quotes of myself were as clear as day that I could not have evr meant a real life antichrist, but Der Beobachter continuely posted in from that his number 39 post posted on the 15th feb right through to 2 days ago on the 22nd feb saying not to listen to this person because the antichrist is not real - And ever since his posted his post on the 15th feb was when I stated posting in all thse quoets of mine in numerous posts I posted in way before he the 15th feb. All these quotes of mine were obvious and clear and I could never have meant a real antichrist. And here is something I said in one of posts I posted in on the same day 15th feb that he had posted his number 39 post in where he started telling everyone that I believe in the antichrist. Here is his number 39 post Der Beobachter's post 39 on 22 feb "Dear Consolato, I am sorry but you are mixing things here Consolato. There is no such thing as "Antichrist" but only ANTILOGOS, and you are not well informed about it." Anyone who cares to look back to all the quotes of myself I posted in from numerous posts of mine before he that post of his in, they will see how obvious it was that I was only refering to a fictuos antichrist figure when I mention antichrist. And apart from those quotes of mine I also said something else too. Here is one of things i said to him in a post of mine the day he posted his post in. I was just talking letting him know my opinion about what I thought about of me having to post repeat quotes of myself from all these posts of mine on that day from posts i posted in before that number 39 post of his on the 15th of feb - Hi Deobachter, instead of me having to write my long and lengthy number 103 post to you, explaining how I think you've misunderstood me in thinking that I was stating to people that Bush is the antichrist, when I wasn't, as well as with me mentioning lots of other things about what I was trying to do and say here regarding this bush and this 666 matter, I should have just asked you if you had read what I said in the last paragraph of my 101 post which is the post that is posted, just before you posted your lengthy post to me there? If you did, then it might have saved you writing most of all that out that you said to me there." Why was Der Beobachter allowed to continue right through from the 15th feb to 22nd feb - Der Beobachter's post 39 on 22 feb "G.W Bush IS NOT THE 666 HIMSELF. PERIOD! But HE IS part of it, but one of the main parts of the "puzzle" the WHOLE SITUATION OF HAVOC/HELTER-SKELTER/JUGGERNAUT/HELL our Blue Planet is living in. Please FORGET once and for all this "antichrist" reference and usage of this designation. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO "ANTICHRIST" and it never existet in any moment of the historu of this planet Earth. This story is a fairy-tale! a LIE invented in order to enslave humankind" "This number is not a person! It is not "antichrist", Why does Der Beobachter continue to believe that I'm refering to bush as being the antichrist, when all I'm saying that the freemason's aring Bush's 666's for the 'anilation of truth' in 666 which can only mean that I could only be refering to 666 as numerological value. Der Beobachter has got no excuse at all for he is continuing to say and make out to everyone that I believe and was refering to a real antichrist because of all those quotes of myself that i posted in were obvious in suggesting that I was refering to a ficticous antichrist. And you seen one of my quotes telling Der Beobachter that i think its waste of my time posting in all these quotes of mine in to prove to him that I was not refering to a real antichrist but Der Beobachter just continued posting posts in saying and making out that i believe and am refering to a real antichrist which doesn't make any sense at all. It is just like as if he doesn't believe me so I felt I was even forced to post my phil638 posts in but even that didn't help. Now who should this post have been addressed to, Der Beobachter or to me? Posted by moderator scott on 744 post on 19th feb: "Con, In the number of posts you have entered, you are repeating certain paragraphs over and over. Please stop doing this; you are eating up server space. For me it is very hard reading long posts such as yours. I think it would be helpful and more beneficial to others if you could shorten your posts, just a suggestion. Scott" Is it my fault Der Beobachter has got a very thick head in not to being to make sense of what i am clearly saying in my posts that I COULD NEVER REFERING TO A REAL ANTICHRIST!!. And this was posted to me a couple of days after scotts post to me was - Originally said by Markc addressed to Consolato - "Pay attention here please . Dyson has already expalained it to you but you obviously did not read his entire post." Where was moderator mark to help me out for the pst 10 days with thick head Der Beobachter constantly telling everyone in his posts which all went along the same line of "what this person is saying and believes in is not real person". Where was moderater mark to help me out by getting Der Beobachter off my back by telling him that it was obvious that I was never talking about a real antichrist and also telling him that it was obvious that I wasn't and that I showed enough quote in posts of mine that were posts way before his post number 39 on the 15th was posted. That is why I thought those two moderators posts were not stupid but most unfair on me to let this continue and making me look so stupid having to continuosly post in all these quotes of mine to try to get Der Beobachter head that that is is not what I meant at all, but with him continuing to ignoring my posts like that and for him to continue carrying on like that is only suggesting and making out to everyone that I am lying when I say that I was not refering to a real antichrist. My misunderstanding of what Dyson siad in his post has little to do with this issue because that was what was the main issue. I thought that was most unfair of the moderators to do that, for not one of them pointing out and telling Der Beobachter to him that I had never meant a real antichrist because of how Der Beobachter obviously wasn't listening to a word I had to say about anything. I like to hear what dyson has to say about my post number 133 and for him to tell me whats going on there, also to mention any parts that are wrong and say what is the right. Wether or not bush is part of the 666 of the first one is irrelevant really. And when I say 666 i mean it like 666 in the numerlology. This is why I was always posting this - (666' is a cabalistic number based on a value which represents evil, destruction, annihilation of the truth etc,) The only site I've seen mentioning asnything about Bush's 666's is bushisantichrist website who believe Bush is the antichrist and that his 666's got there because he is the antichrist. I've never seen anything mentioned in gaiaguys website about Bush's 666 in the 666 section probably because gaiaguys didn't even know about them and is why Dyson seemed surprised and said "thats a very good question" when I email him about them. Dyson can I have your opinion about what I said in my 133 post and tell me parts you think are wrong and which are right. Thanks Thomas Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 12:00 am:        Come on guys, this is supposed to be a place to learn from and not to argue. I am personally asking the parties involved to agree to disagree and to stop the arguing. P L E A S E ! It is detrimental to ALL OF US. Consolato Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 02:01 am:        Just posted by Der_beobachter in his last post: "Consolato I will BLOW my Didgeridoo LOUD AND CLEAR in your ears for to ear it in clarity. I will dance the Korroboree for you to understand it some points here once and for good." 'G E O R G E W A L K E R B U S H = A REAL BEAST 666 INDEED. But NOTHING TO DO to this Consolato´s crap "antichrist" BS that he became an addict by reading here: http://www.bushisantichrist.com/" Der_beobachter I hope you don't mind if I blow horn loud and clear now and what I am about to say will prove to everyone here that it is your fault and not mine for our heated discussion. I noticed that you put that bushisantichrist website address directly straight after that quote. Thankyou for doing that because I now know how you have got me wrong in all this. I now know why you thought that I believed Bush is the antichrist when I am talking about Bush's 666's is because I regularly posted that Bush 666 chart with that bushisantichrist website address posted straight after it. Der_beobachter has been continously telling everyone that I believe that Bush is the antichrist and saying not to listen to me, from the 15th right through to the 23rd feb To prove my point here about what I say here is your misunderstanding and not mine, would everyone here now have another look at Der_beobachter second quote there that I have posted at there. That is what Der_beobachter posted all on its own and I cut and paste that exactly how it is, and that is why I now know why Der_beobachter kept insisting that I was saying Bush is the antichrist. Der_beobachter I want you to go and have a look back through the past 4 pages of this thread and then to count the number of times you see me post this message below straight after that website address whenever I have posted that address and then for you to come back here and tell everyone how many times you saw me post that as is exactly posted below - http://www.bushisantichrist.com/ (george bush is not the antichrist, just using that bushisantichrist website as reference for Bush's astronomical association to the number 666 is all.) We await Der_beobachter return to post here how many times he found that message there. That bushisantichrist website say that Bush's 666's got there because he is the antichrist, whereas I've been saying all along that the freemason's gave them too him which is not that hard to do, and can be done to anyone at all. Der_beobachter don't forget to put a post in saying how many you found because we are all waiting to find out how many times I posted that. As for your numerology chart, all I got to say is that the freemason's must be going by a diferent chart. If your chart was the chart that the freemason's go by then why would they let his name end with what you ended yours with there, when they have given Bush a 6 on everything else from birthday right through to even all the days of how Bush got all the way up to be U.S. president too???? It's irrelavent who's chart is correct and who's is not, but all that means is that they are going by a diferent chart. So what you posted don't mean a thing and don't forget that we are all waiting for you to tell us all how many of those things you found. Der_beobachter Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 05:36 am:        From Der Beobachter Edelweiß "Edelweiß" Consolato is this flower, take a good look here above. A flower...from the mountains..from the ALPS.... got it? Its scientific name is this "Leontopodium Alpinum." It is somekindf of LOTUS FLOWER from the Mountains, from the Alps... got it? For me it has a really important and spiritual relatated meaning you would not understand and I would have to write a huge book to try to explain the real meaning of it to you. "Der Beobachter" is a nick I love very much because it was suggested to me to use it by a very good and WISEFUL friend, The Ancient of the Days, The WISE OF THE WISERS a very very good friend of mine indeed who lives up at the mountains in Switzerland. I do not know if you know him and there is no use for me to tell his real name to you, you do not know him anyway. My nick is written at the footer of every single posting I myself post here "Der Beobachter Edelweiß", look at the footer of other postings of mine to see it. You did not pay attention to it then... As the same as myself got so so so pi%&@d because of your long postings, your friend G.W BUSH your idol "the antichrist" that I myself have summep (misstyped) 1+2+1=4 instead of 1+2+1=4. See Consolato? What your Consolation can do to the minds of people? Jo_Jo, Thank you for this: "Just for the sake of neutral-positive accuracy, 1 + 2 + 1 = 4. So Bush is a number 4 person, not a number 3 person." You are right I was typing and at the same time looking to the the PC display, this is the cause of so many typos I have made when writing fast. G E O R G E W A L K E R B U S H 9 5 7 2 9 5 6 2 5 9 5 2 9 6 3 1 ___________ ___________ _______ 37 29 19 37 -> 3+7=10 29 -> 2+9=11 = 1+1=2 19 -> 1+9=10=1 1+2+1=4 (equal to FOUR=4) Threrefore G.W. BUSH (W=WALKER not WALTER as some people wrongly consider) is a number 4 or an extremely individualistic person, an anarchist and problematic person also. The number 9 appears two times in G E O R G E one time in W A L K E R and one time in B U S H. His name G E O R G E W A L K E R B U S H also shows 2 times the number nine 9+9=18 (two times the number 18) A mumber 18 person is full of weirdness,lugubrious,blackly,treachery/treacherous, hanky-panky,a dire who uses to lead public authorities, and the all the world around to revolutions and wars. 18 also is a negative number because it is a multiple of 6 (in the Antilogos sense) 6+6+6=18 = 18 is also the number of the Antilogos. Therefore this person also possess the number of the ANTILOGOS in his name. Now if you add also this J U N I O R at the end of his name G.W BUSH JUNIOR Then we have J U N I O R 1 6 5 1 7 2 = 22 2+2=4 G E O R G E W A L K E R B U S H J U N I O R ___________ ___________ _______ _____________ 37 29 19 22 37 -> 3+7=10 29 -> 2+9=11 = 1+1=2 19 -> 1+9=10=1 22 -> 2+2=4 1+2+1+4=8 TA DA!!! A number 8 (eight) In negative aspect he is a person with real BAD LUCK to him/herself, a fanatical religioous fighter, a person with a bad luckly destiny, in general this kind of number 8 person is a religious fanatic. NOTE: number 8 is not a negative number in itself, I only pointed the negative aspects of it in relation to the name of G.W.BUSH JUNIOR as related to the ANTILOGOS. Real and TRUE NUMEROLOGY AS IS taught by Billy Meier the numbers and its related letters in german shows clearly that this G.W.BUSH JUNIOR is a very NEGATIVE HUMAN BEING A REAL ANTILOGOS in flesh and existence. THE NUMBER 6 (SIX) appears three times also in his name one time in WALKER, one time in BUSH , and one time in JUNIOR. Three times number 6. Now look around youserlf and realize if WWW-III is knocking on our doors or not... Nothing more to add. I think this kind of explanations on numerology are being posted in the wrong section of this FIGU Discussion Board. I ask for excuses for my good friends Moderators for all this. This is the LAST time I post about these subjects related to Consolato and his thoughts. I myself and other good friends who know me better than Cons have BIGGER AND GREATER things to conquer OUT THERE and I cannot stay here, just standing still wasting my time with people who cannot or pretend to not understand certain things. Gone.....for good.... Der Beobachter Edelweiß Jacob Moderator Post Number: 458 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 04:09 pm:        To all people involved, the tone and style of the discussion is becoming aggressive and hostile, this must seize immediately for all parties included, agree to disagree when no harmony can be reached, but stop the endless argueing. All posts deemed to be offensive or needless aggressive will be deleted. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, than any knowledge you have." Jacob Moderator Post Number: 459 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 04:13 pm:        The truth is that both Osama Bin Laden and George W. Bush are both guilty of multiple murders, violations of human rights (especially Bush), terrorism and religious fanatism. The only punishment suited for those people is life long banishment without the possibility of parol. This regardless how the numerological value 666 relates to them. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, than any knowledge you have." Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 03:53 pm:        WOW! The Third World Fire seems to have broken out already in the usually peaceful and friendly FIGU list! Certainly there is some very emotive flaming and quite coarse language here that is a lousy example of what we’re all supposed to be here for, and calling people pricks isn’t going to enlighten anyone. Let’s not lose sight of the fact that Billy has taught us that real peace can only come when each and every one of us individually finds it within, and although I have to admit that Con’s gigantic confused on- and off-list contributions were becoming infuriatingly time-consuming for me, I got over it quickly and used that to build a strong bridge to a more neutral-positive mind-set about him and this weird 666 stuff. BUT I stridently disagree that we should not ARGUE about it, and this is one of the continual themes in Billy’s absolutely brilliant books. We REQUIRE (logical) argument in order to advance, BUT WITHOUT ACRIMONY. ARGUMENT: (from Latin - an outward sign) 1.) a reason given in proof of rebuttal 2.) discourse intended to persuade 3.) a coherent series of statements leading form a premise to conclusion. ACRIMONY: (the Latin word root is ACID) harsh or biting sharpness especially of words, manner, or disposition. This English language has been SO dumbed down that nobody now knows what they are trying to talk about and the Powers-That-Be, who (I contend) were responsible, now deliberately employ it to asphyxiate the debate we NEED in order to let the truth gleam forth. See the “prepare4contact” Yahoo list for a dazzling exemplar of how all you need to smother the truth is few tons of well directed nuanced diplomacy*. I think that –as important and interesting as numerology might be – we run the very real risk here of missing the forest entirely because of all the microscopic study of the cytoplasts in the damn leaves. Bush is clearly a psychopath. He wants to induce the Apocalypse so “Jesus” can return. Forget his numerological equivalents and concentrate on stopping him. Please. That’s all I have to say at this point, but you have not heard the last of me. Peace and love/wisdom, Dyson * Here’s part of what I wrote just now on the p4c Yahoo list when I was attacked and warned for telling the truth about notorious enemy of the truth and Meier-falsifier, Randolph Winters: “I should never have said here that Randy Winters started telling all sorts of crazy lies, and I would very much like to retract that unfortunate and thoughtless statement of mine and apologize to anyone offended by my lack of tact. I had not fully realized that he is looked upon as a source of actual information about Meier, who nobody here knows very much about at all because nobody here has done adequate research. I can't put it any more tactfully than that, I'm afraid. What I should have said about Randy was that it appeared to me and others that he started publicly expressing a multiplicity of observations relayed as putatively factual that did not entirely accord with what I and others, who had done the required demanding research into this recondite matter, had, on the basis of that logically and independently corroborated research, accepted as actuality, and I, and others, therefore instantly reached the unshakable conclusion that he was most certainly articulating untruths, with the obvious presumption that they were also deliberately calculated to deceive.” Newinitiation Member Post Number: 160 Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 09:03 pm:        G'day Dyson I was wondering if you could provide us with a link to the p4c yahoo list. I am very interested in the discussions taking place between you and the other participants. I searched everywhere on www.exopolitics.com but came to the conclusion that you had to pay a membership fee to join and nothing about such forum. many thanks Consolato Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 01:22 am:        Question ? Is this a careless misunderstanding that needlessy dragged to long because Der beobachter never told Consolato why Der beobachter believed that Consolato was suggesting that Bush is the antichrist while he was talking about Bush 666's, which has caused Consolato to needlessly post all repeat things he said from his prior posts which has caused Consolato frustration for the past 9 days with why Der beobachter is continuing not to believe him that is not what he is saying about Bush here. Consolato has suggested that he believes that the Freemason's have given George Bush his strong association with 666's and as such has been suggesting what he believe's the Freemason's are using Bush's 666's for today (9/11-Iraq) and how they are using them too. Consolato posted a chart of showing some of Bush's 666's and 6's from a website called bushisantichrist. This bushisantichrist website believes that Bush is the antichrist but Consolato doesn't aggre with bushisantichrist because Consolato doesn't believe in those sort of things and is only posting the chart as a reference for Bush's 666 and 6's. Consolato never mentioned to anyone that he doesn't agree with bushisantichrist website say that Bush is the antichrist because Consolato thought that people would know he didn't just by what his saying in his posts. Consolato posted bushisantichrist Bush 666 chart about 7-8 times since the start of this discussion. About the second time he soon after Der_beobachter posted this on the 15th of Febuary - Der beobachter post 39: "Consolato, There is no such thing as "Antichrist" but only ANTILOGOS, and you are not well informed about it." Consolato never stated no such thing and is unsure why Der beobachter is saying this to him because Der beobachter never told him that it was because of how Consolato posted bushisantichrist Bush 666 chart, because of how Consolato just assumed people would know that he didn't agree with bushisantichrist. Consolato then started posting in all these repeat things he said from posts posted by him before the 15th Febuary when Der beobachter posted his 39 post there to show Der beobachter that he is not and could not be saying that Bush is the antichrist. Two days later on the 19th Febuary was when Consolato posted the Bush 666 chart the third time in his post 116, but this time Consolato thought to himself if the cause of Der beobachter's misunderstanding of what he is saying here about Bush could be from him posting the bushisantichrist website Bush 666 chart, so Consolato added a message underneath the chart which read - (george bush is not the antichrist, just using that bushisantichrist website as reference for Bush's astronomical association to the number 666 is all.) Consolato posted that message once there and then one other time in another post out of the 7-8 times he has posted that Bush 666 chart. Consolato posted that message only a couple of times under the Bush 666 chart out of the 7-8 times he posted the Bush 666 chart because he thought that once people see it once they will know and is why he only posted it a couple of times is all. But Der beobachter from the 15th of Febuary right through to the 22th Febuary has been continuely telling everyone that what Consolato is talking about here in this thread about George Bush's 666 is not true and Consolato hasn't been able to workout why yet that Der beobachter thinks that he is saying that he believe's that Bush is the antichrist until Der beobachter posted another post on the 23rd of Feb did Consolato workout that it was because Der beobachter never noticed the couple of times he posted that message under the Bush 666 chart which said that he doesn't agree with bushisantichrist website, and is only using it as a reference for Bush's 666's is all. This is the clue Consolato saw for him to know what was the cause of why Der beobachter was misunderstanding him and continuing to believe that Consolato is suggesting to everyone here that Bush is the antichrist when talking about Bush's 666's - 23rd Feb Der_beobachter said: "G E O R G E W A L K E R B U S H = A REAL BEAST 666 INDEED. But NOTHING TO DO to this Consolato´s crap "antichrist" BS that he became an addict by reading here: http://www.bushisantichrist.com/" Consolato has asked Der beobachter if he could go read his post 119 that he posted back on the 19th of Febuary saying the misunderstanding is because he never noticed or read the message he posted under the bushisantichrist website Bush 666 chart when he posted it the third time out of the 7-8 times he has posted it so far which read - http://www.bushisantichrist.com/ (george bush is not the antichrist, just using that bushisantichrist website as reference for Bush's astronomical association to the number 666 is all.) Der beobachter probably realise's his misunderstanding with incorrectly believing that Consolato was saying that Bush is the antichrist while Consolato's been discussing here about Bush's 666's but as courtesy yet to acknowledge his misunderstanding to Consolato for whatever he has caused or added to this heated discussion here or he doesn't intend to say anything. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Consolato asked Gaiaguysnet if they could come over here and read this discussion and offer their opinion on wether or not it be true what Consolato has been suggesting here to everyone about the Freemason's being responsible for giving George Bush his 666's and what the Freemason's could have been using Bush's 666's for while George Bush has been in Presidency so far (9/11, Iraq, ect) and also how the 666's could be being using Bush's 666's as well as how they work. 20th Febuary Gaiaguysnet said: "What is all this nonsense about an “Antichrist”?!.........What came over you?" (consolato) Gaiaguysnet seems to have made the same misunderstanding mistake as Der beobachter in not reading Consolato's entire posts he has posted. Consolato has also been trying to explain as well as saying that he is not saying that George Bush is the antichrist. Consolato doesn't feel that it's necessary Gaiaguysnet to have to acknowledge their misunderstanding there on that but he doesn't feel that they should acknowledge their misunderstanding and mistake(?) in what Consolato originally asked them to do give their opinion on. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20th Febuary Gaiaguysnet said: "Con, Der Beobachter Edelweiß is correct." Consolato's post 133 shows the best summed up picture of everything that Consolato has been putting forward here and mentions what Consolato believe's George Bush's 666's could have been and still getting used for and also how the 666's could have worked too. Consolato has stated numerous times that believe's that George Bush's 666's are definitely no coincedence and as such must have some sort purpose and come out of them. On the 20th Feb Gaiaguysnet came and had a look at what Consolato has been discussing and putting forward here and then posted to inform everyone that Consolato is incorrect with what Consolato has said about Bush's 666's and that was all that Gaiaguysnet said about Bush's 666's. Gaiaguysnet then only spoke about the 666's in relation to what is in their gaiaguysnet website. Consolato now doesn't accept Gaiaguysnet's opinion and statement they said about consolato being incorrect because he believes Gaiaguysnet might have got things mixed up with what he is talking about here. Consolato believes that Gaiaguysnet opinion and answer they posted here is talking about something else and not about what Consolato is talking about here. Consolato feels he has been specifically talking about only George Bush's 666's working through him as in numerology and not what Gaiaguysnet are talking about as is found at Gaiaguysnet website 666 section. Gaiaguysnet have not said anything about how George Bush's 666's could work through him or have they said anything about why the Freemason's have given them to him (?) and trying to do with them either, which is what Consolato has put forward here in this discussion which can be best summed up in Consolato's 133 post. Consolato would like if Gaiaguysnet would stay talking within the picture of his 133 post of what the Freemasons/Illuminati might be trying to do with Bush's 666's over the 9/11 -Iraq issue, if that is true and talk about how, if, Bush's 666's could work because Consolato doesn't Believe the Freemason's gave Bush all his 666's for no reason at all if the Freemason's didn't believe that some sort of power or use could come out of them. Consolato wonders if this could be the reason why Gaiaguysnet didn't say a thing about how Bush's 666's could work or used as is like what Consolato is talking about and not talking about like what's in Gaiaguysnet 666 section. It is Gaiaguysnet email response back to Consolato when Consolato emailed Gaiaguysnet Bush's 666 chart and asked them if they could come here and give their opinion on the matter on what Consolato has put forward here - Gaiaguysnet email response: "Thats a very good question, and my answer is that: I don't know" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Consolato:? Consolato Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 02:05 am:        Der Beobachter , I don't know why your numerology chart culculations of Bush's name there doesn't add up to 666 or what is going on there, but I don't buy that as being something valid to discard this matter away and I'll say why. George Bush's 666's don't just come from his name, but from lots of other places too. The Freemason's are obsessed with their occult numerology and they mark their days especially on certain days of important matters they do like setting up a U.S. president all the way into office like they did with Bush. Whatever day certain events happened on, it happened on that day only because of the number of the day. As you can see the Freemason's choose all of Bush's inauguration days to happen on a day 6, and there are also a lot of other 6's in other area's too. So if you say that Bush's name doesn't add up to 666, then maybe there's something going on there that we are not aware of because why would the Freemason's have given Bush a 6 in every other part of his chart and then not the name too? Why would they not have continued with it?? Look again below and refer to website for other 6's - from webpage below - George Bush's name is equal to 666 if we use the Hebrew letter equivalents. It is also equal to 666 if we use the two most commonly used systems in numerology as well as in ASCII code......................................(too many equations to be listed here - refer to webpage below to see complete list)......................................there you have it - 666 - the number of the Beast, absolutely any way you care to add it up. The number of his name in Hebrew = 666. The number of his name using the Pythagorean system = 6. The Chaldean system = 6. ASCII code = 6. The number of his birthday = 6. His lucky number = 6. The number of the date when he was first elected Governor = 6. When he is first inaugurated Governor = 6. The number when he was inaugurated president of the United States = 6. The number of the man/beast named George Walker Bush = 666. http://www.bushisantichrist.com/ That's not not enough for me to think there's nothing there with Bush's name. Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 07:12 pm:        Hi Newinitiation and all. Doctor (of political science, and Washington insider) Michael Salla's "Prepare4contact" Yahoo list can be found @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/ And gaiaguys' modest contribution to the truth can be found @ www.gaiaguys.net/prepare4contact.htm Jim and I are under attack from the Terras and Vogels of this world. And assistance (ONLY if you know what your are talking about PLEASE!) would be welcome. And I'm starting a long overdue exposé of infamous Meier-falsifier (see my above posting #121) RANDY WINTERS @www.gaiaguys.net/randywinters.htm Con, A wise man once said that there are three kinds of lies: 1.) lies. 2.) Damn lies. & 3.) Statistics. When you have settled down and stopped all your cutting and pasting, I'll try to make the time to figure out what your point is, and I'll get back to you here, OK? Jacob, thank you for your moderation. PEACE in wisdom, Dyson Consolato Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 06:13 am:        Gaiaguysnet said: "Bush is clearly a psychopath." Yes, and does it have something to do with Bush being numerologically covered in 666's, instead of being a pyscho/mental related disorder, like I said a couple of weeks ago?????? Markc Member Post Number: 286 Registered: 06-2000 Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 09:40 pm:        Hey Consolato ; Just as soon as I quit my job and quit taking care of my personal needs ; eating and sleeping etc, I will read all of your posts , or maybe even just one of them , since they are all the same . Try to control yourself , you are acting like a schizophrenic , or worst , someone who is trying to become one . I post this for you to read as good advice , only by now , it's not as friendly as before , because I grow weary of reading you . Not to mention , offended . Mark Campbell

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