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Jo_jo
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Post Number: 130
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 05:16 pm: | 
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Apple,
The manner in which an electromagnetic wave propagates depends on the frequency of the wave. The lower the frequency the more ground wave propagation is present, the higher the frequency the more line of sight. HAARP is an extremely low frequency wave, RF & microwaves (cell phones) higher, and light waves higher still. What is the frequency of scalar?
I’m not seeing the correlation between scalar and tachyons. It may be one thing to accelerate an itty-bitty, sub-atomic particle to tachyon speed in a multi-billion dollar linear accelerator and quite another to liberate from these particles the enormous power levels required to cause continental devastation on the other side of the world. It may be achieved some day, just not this day.
Apple, just for the record, perhaps you can succinctly summarize your understanding of scalar. This is my understanding of what you may be saying from your postings:
Scalar consists of subatomic particles propagating as ground waves at tachyon speed with extremely high energy potential. |
Jo_jo
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Post Number: 131
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 11:51 pm: |
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Gentlemen:
It's easy to cite mumbo-jumbo, pseudo-science websites. If you can't explain your argument in a succinct and understandable way, one can only conclude you know not of what you are supporting or you have nefarious, ulterior motives. Which is it? |
Kiril
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Post Number: 90
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 12:53 am: |
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Jo jo  - "...perhaps you can succinctly summarize your understanding of scalar." :
You can try to read Beardens books - like, "Fer De Lance: Briefing on Soviet Scalar Electromagnetic Weapons" - its always the best way to get confusions of this nature sorted. There is no point in huffing and puffing about peoples motives and state of knowledge when such a simple solution exists.
I'll fill you in briefly and you can go from there, what do you say?
The term scalar, by definition denotes only a magnitude or a quantity without specific direction and point of origin. Alternatively we can also say that a so-called zero vector is also a scalar, since all of its directional components equate to zero.(assumes knowledge of vector algebra)
First, Bearden points out that when an electric field(a vector) is met with another, of equal magnitude but opposite in direction, the resultant zero-vector or scalar should by considered as a unique, dynamic system in constant flux(that is, the forces in question do not magically stop existing and may be subject to changes while still producing no resultant electric force) , even though no resultant e-field can be detected by an observer(this also goes for magnetic fields).
He then proposes that when this regime is enacted one gains the ability to cause ordered/deterministic stresses or changes-in-presure of the 'ether/spacetime', which he considers as a sea of dynamic virtual particles(a great diversity and number). If we pulse the electric fields...."We now visualize the formation of waves of pure stress in the spacetime medium (in the vacuum). These we call scalar EM waves..."
And thus, we may say that scalar weapons are those devices that employ scalar waves to generate destructive effects.
Lastly, as far as Beardens model is concerned, the scalar waves are not limited to the propagation through any one medium.
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Tony
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 09:36 pm: |
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Since there was a bit of a debate here on the validity of Russia's Scalar weaponry for the past two weeks, I decided to email Dyson to ask him if he could let us know what his thoughts are on Scalar weaponry to help us clear this up, because Dyson's profession was directed near or towards this type of field. This is the return email I got back from Dyson and it is self explainatry explaining why Dyson choose not post here to clear up the debate for us too.
Hi Tony!
I hardly think that I will be able to "clear up" the debate on the FIGU forum by offering what I know about scalar technology, because why should anyone believe me? Or the Plejaren? Although I can't think offhand what my (or their) nefarious motives might be for lying to everyone about this existing advanced weapon system, (which several countries other then the USA already have up and running) I still COULD be lying, or somehow at least be terribly mistaken, etc., so unless and until people do their OWN research, they are still going to be woefully ignorant, and just "believing" anybody is WRONG. As Ptaah says, "Wer die Wahrtheit nicht mit seinem Verstande, sondern mit Glauben erfassen will, der kann die Früchte aus ihr nicht ernten." (Who will not comprehend the truth with his understanding, but only with his belief, cannot harvest the fruit from it.)- OM 53:26.
Anyway, the links at the bottom of our "America will Burn" translation are a helpful start for your independent research. I have no difficulties saying that I think what Tom Bearden writes (technically, if not always politically) is correct. I base this in my own work, reading all his books and many others, my personal background as a radar technician with the USAF and as a Disclosure Project witness and former official rep. If you follow the links I provide to the photographs I made of the sky here you can see the effects of scalar devices quite plainly. They are used to modify the weather and start fires. I know this. (Please see www.gaiaguys.net/meier.truth.htm )
VERY simply, depending on nothing more complicated than the polarity of the bias (voltage) of the chassis of the device, either endothermic (cooling) or exothermic (heating) effects can be manifested at any point in, on or above the globe, at practically any distance from the machinery, at the speed of light. This temperature difference occurs at the point of intersection of longitudinally polarized electromagnetic "beams" which travel in straight lines, unimpeded right through the mass of the planet, to find their point of intersection in a deep underground bunker, for instance, where the personnel can be slowly frozen if desired, or snap frozen like a bag of peas if that is more desirable, leaving the machinery intact. Or it can be heated slowly or quickly . even VERY quickly like in a thermonuclear explosion. Power is no problem and is obtained in a similar manner to which it is delivered; in these cases from the molten core of the Earth itself.
So the oligarchy foolishly cowering in their vast underground shopping malls are every bit as safe as a Roman Centurion with a spear and a brass shield up against a soldier with an M-16, or a little king high in his stone castle confronted with B-52 bombers. This is simply the age-old history of warfare. Old weapons systems are suddenly made obsolete and all the power jumps to the group with the new technology. While the USA was sabotaging and discrediting Nikola Tesla's work because his electricity was had to SELL (as opposed to Edison's and Westinghouse's) and making H-bombs, the rest of the planet was studying Tesla's work and quietly moving out ahead of The Great Satan, now as naked as the proverbial emperor..
Cause and effect. One of the most basic Creational laws. And for the USAmericans, a law that is their undoing. But Tony, don't get the idea, "if it's terrifying that it must be b.s.", simply because terror is a weapon of choice in the USA's terror war. Their FAVORITE weapon is simple reverse psychology, and their puppetmasters the Bafath were at it for millennia.
Hope this has at least helped clear up some issues in your own mind, Tony, and that logic can prevail for a change instead of more of the same head-in-the-sand attitude that created the problem in the first place.
Cheers to the listies! Work on contact 136 is well underway again!
Peace in wisdom,
Dyson |
Matt
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 03:21 am: |
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Jo-jo, gaiaguys have just updated their 'America will burn' page (329th Contact) and they have posted your post to billy. You were wrong before when you said that billy didn't mention anything about scalar weaponry in his return answer to your question. This is just a little bit of a cut and paste from the new updated 'America will burn' (329th Contact) page there.
Jo_jo
Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 09:57 pm
Hello Billy,
In Contact 251 you mention new and extremely destructive weapons that will be built and create quite a stir prior to the start of WWIII. You also mention mankind will fail in its attempt to protest and boycott the new deadly weapons unless terrestrials finally gain mastery over their reasoning. Is this weapon you are speaking about DEPLETED URANIUM MUNITIONS?
ANSWER:
Included are all kinds of new weapons, like radiation weapons, ELECTROn weapons, the HAARP system, etc.
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Longitudinally polarized ELECTROmagnet interferometer weapons are called "scalar" weapons.
They are just one of many types of secret "Black Shelf" weapons employing the destructive force of electrons fueled by inexhaustible free electron energy.
This free electron energy source is used by the Plejaren and was described by Ptaah in 1990 in the 238th contact.
410. Um deiner Frage jedoch gerecht zu werden, darf ich dir erklären, dass unsere Vorfahren das Prinzip der Elektronenenergie entdeckten, die auf allen Planeten und Gestirnen sowie in allen Lebensformen ebenso vorhanden ist wie auch in unerschöpflicher Form im gesamten Universum.
410. Ptaah: In order to answer your question properly, may I explain to you that our forefathers uncovered the principle of electron energy that is available on all planets and stars as well as in all life forms, as it also is in inexhaustible form in the entire universe.
http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv8p447-8.htm |
Kiril
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Post Number: 91
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 10:05 pm: |
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A quick note for the record :
I am not a proponent of Thomas Beardens ideas in physics, biology or chemistry. It just so happens that I have studied his work, as with many others.
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Tony
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 06:39 pm: |
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Jo_jo, Dyson has put the question you asked billy about new and extremely destructive weapons on the 'America will burn' page at Gaiaguysnet website. You will see that Billy does mention Scalar devices in the answer he gave you to your question.
http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv8p447-8.htm |
Jo_jo
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Post Number: 132
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 04:44 pm: |
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Tony,
I appreciate the effort you went through getting Dyson’s view on scalar. Since he claims to know that scalar is used to modify the weather and start fires, this means he has direct, personal experience with scalar. Would he wish to elaborate?
The OM quote about comprehending the truth with understanding, not belief, is quite appropriate. Where is the objective evidence of scalar? Where is the peer-reviewed scientific literature corroborating it, especially since so many nations allegedly posses this technology? I’m asking for facts – all I see is this circular logic using Bearden as a reference to the expertise of Bearden. That’s like using Billy Meier as an expert on the Billy Meier case.
At least with the Meier case there is tangible, objective evidence that has been thoroughly tested that speaks to the validity of his contacts. There are also witnesses corroborating certain aspects of them. The case doesn’t just exist as a delusion in his head. He and the Plejaran also have a well-documented track record of accurately predicting future events and discoveries. Based on that I thoughtfully analyze what they have to say. Why not use the same standards of evidence before accepting the validity of scalar? |
Jo_jo
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Post Number: 133
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 03:49 pm: |
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Kiril,
Thank you for taking the time to explain the concept of scalar waves. Clearly it’s observable that two waves of the same type with equal magnitude and opposite direction cancel each other out, be it ocean waves, sound waves, radio waves or EM waves. If as you say they don’t cancel out, wouldn’t the maximum potential magnitude be twice that of either wave? Why not just double the power from your source?
If one were to feed two signals of the same frequency, magnitude and opposite phase (or direction) into each other through a coaxial cable, you will set up a standing wave of infinity and no power will be delivered. All the power will be reflected back to the sources and they will burn out. The same will happen with a wave guide in place of the coaxial cable. Why would the atmosphere be any different? And where does the vacuum come in? Is it part of the equipment apparatus? Surely to send a scalar wave from Russia to the US will not happen in a vacuum?
It’s unfortunate that nothing about scalar is demonstrable. There is no objective evidence for anyone to observe. And there’s no peer-reviewed literature corroborating this “theory”. To accept scalar requires a leap of faith with no supporting evidence. Sounds like a “conspiracy theory” at best. |
Matt
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 09:39 pm: |
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"So the oligarchy foolishly cowering in their vast underground shopping malls are every bit as safe as a Roman Centurion with a spear and a brass shield up against a soldier with an M-16, or a little king high in his stone castle confronted with B-52 bombers. This is simply the age-old history of warfare. Old weapons systems are suddenly made obsolete and all the power jumps to the group with the new technology."
So I was wrong in saying that Scalar weaponry would cause nearly the level of damage to an entire city that a nuclear bomb would. Russia's Scalar would in fact cause more damage to an entire city then what a nuclear bomb would, as a nuclear bomb would only devastate the top of a city, whereas Scalar would devastate top and bottom. And no buildings sprinkler system is going to save it from going up in smoke, not when every other building in the same city is on fire at the same time too - each buildings sprinkler system is only going to get a few drops of water each. Also any KNOWN U.S. underground military bases (eg. area 51) designed to withstand nuclear bombs are sitting ducks.
If all this is true about Russia's Scalar technology and weaponry, then I see now that there could very well be some truth there to what some sources on the net are saying about the world having now a new superpower - Russia.
And what Ptaah was saying in the contact note about the forest fires rolling through the U.S. being the origins of the start of an act of war is only the beginning. After the war between the U.S. and Russia starts, then Russia could/would go from starting fires only in the U.S. forests to setting whole U.S. cities on fire! Is this what is meant by 'America will burn'? |
Jo_jo
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Post Number: 135
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 09:29 am: |
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Tony,
No, Billy clearly doesn’t mention scalar among the new weapons. He mentions electron weapons which are distinct from scalar. Electron weapons exist, scalar is science fiction. |
Jo_jo
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Post Number: 136
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 09:48 am: |
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The so-called “scalar field theory” is classified by wikipedia as a pseudoscience. Here are a few extracts. The link is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field_theory_(pseudoscience)
Their existence however, as presupposed in numerous pseudoscientific theories, has not been supported by any reputable experiment.
Despite the claims of its proponents, no repeatable experiments were able to show the existence of the scalar field. All observed effects were shown to comply to the standard physical laws of electrodynamics. As not only classical electromagnetics but also quantum electrodynamics are a field of physics, where the observations are in spectacular agreement with the theoretical predictions, currently the case for Scalar field theory looks bleak. |
Jo_jo
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Post Number: 138
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 09:13 am: |
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Matt,
If an electron weapon is a scalar weapon, then so is a flashlight shined in someone’s eyes to blind him. Just because a weapon operates on the transfer of electrons doesn’t make it scalar. Did Billy say scalar? No he did not. He said electron. You are putting words in Billy’s mouth and twisting the truth.
If you do some web research on electron weapons, you will find they have short range and aren’t very effective. The microwave signals used are very lossy, being disbursed by the atmosphere.
Bearden apparently “owns” the scalar niche. Why is that? Why wouldn’t real scientists pick up on his work and try to improve it? That happens all the time in real science. Real scientists collaborate because they know they often don’t have all the answers themselves. Why is no one picking up the ball with Bearden’s “work” on scalar? Could it be they recognize you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear? |
Matt
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 09:05 am: |
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Jo_jo "It’s unfortunate that nothing about scalar is demonstrable. There is no objective evidence for anyone to observe. And there’s no peer-reviewed literature corroborating this “theory”. To accept scalar requires a leap of faith with no supporting evidence. Sounds like a “conspiracy theory” at best."
Jo_jo, the evidence to support scalar's existence, that your saying cannot be found anywhere, CAN be found in a couple of links posted at Gaiaguysnet website in the "America will burn" section. I'm sure those two links there will satisfy your insatiable technical mind requirements of seeing hard proof of scalar's existence.
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Further reading suggested by gaiaguys.net:
Please read more about a recent demonstration of a scalar (longitudinally polarized electromagnet interferometer) holocaust and much more : www.gaiaguys.net/canberrafire.htm
WHAT are scalar weapons? http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm
http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv8p447-8.htm |
Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 272
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 04:19 pm: |
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Dear Jo_jo,
Here I am thinking that I’ve LEFT this list! :-/
No. I do not "wish to elaborate". I wish to do more translations and this is thwarting me.
You write of me, “Since he claims to know that scalar is used to modify the weather and start fires, this means he has direct, personal experience with scalar.”
No it does not. You are not being reasonable, Jo_jo. It seems like you may be so petrified by the truth that you have gone into some form of irrational denial. Or you are just being childishly provocative.
If YOU know that thermonuclear bombs were used to destroy Hiroshima and Nagasaki does that mean that YOU have “direct personal experience” with nuclear weapons? And that goes for any other secret advanced W.M.D. system; atomic, biological or chemical, not just electromagnetic. It would do no good if I wrote that I HAD “direct personal experience” with scalar weaponry. You would think I was not telling you the truth. You would demand to see my original documentation, which you would think were forgeries. You think that the patent office would have publicly available records of these top-secret weapons. I think, like most Earth humans, you no longer know how to find the truth. Please see the appended excerpts from OM.
You have obviously not even followed the links I provided for you. You haven’t read about our Canberra (Australia’s capital city) firestorm.
North Korea - January 13th, 2003 "...we'll turn the citadel of imperialists into a sea of fire."
Canberra - January 18th, 2003 "The fire would have been travelling at 200kmh, it was burning the dirt .."
“ … an awesome discovery - a fractured 15 kilometre long trail of destruction. Mature pine trees had been snapped like matchsticks by winds that may have reached 250km/h. The team can’t say what caused these violent winds. They know that heat from bushfires can generate vortices - twisting wind like a mini tornado. In the biggest fires these vortices can reach 150-200 metres in diameter. At the same time strong upper atmosphere winds can be sucked down to replace the rising air. But even allowing for the size and intensity of this fire, no explanation added up…’the unusual part is that it seems to have preceded the actual fire front.../…in just about every other situation I've been into the flames have come through and then this enormous strong wind comes behind it and carries the embers with it.’ Adding to the puzzle was that most trees lay pointing in the same direction. A twisting tornado or winds blasting down from the upper atmosphere wouldn’t have been so neat. The team re-examined their long history of fire research, looking for a precedent."
Incidentally, Jo_jo, NO photographs of this spectacular "natural" phenomenon have EVER been published, in so far as I can ascertain.
Please get it out of your head that this is garden variety 20th Century electrodynamics. It is not. It is not microwaves. It is longitudinally polarized interferometers. Scalar. Read Bearden's books if you want to understand. As Richard Crandall says "People lie. Physics cannot lie." (www.gaiaguys.net/Masons.vacuons.htm)
"The Earth human does not want to know the truth" - Ptaah
OM Kanon 20:38 Denn es ist dem Menschen entschwunden die Gesinnung der Bemühung, dass die Wahrheit soll erarbeitet werden durch eigene Kraft des Denkens und Forschens und Erkennens. 39. Also hat er sich gewandelt in der Form zum Irren, dass er nur noch das annehmen will als Wahrheit, das er mit seinen Händen berühren kann, und das er mit seinen Augen sehen kann, und das er mit seinen Ohren hören kann. 40. Es ist dies aber der Weg der Falschheit und des reinen Materiellen, der jeder Bemühung des Selbstdenkens, des Selbstfühlens, des Selbstforschens, des Selbstsuchens und der Selbsterkennung jeglicher Lösung und Wahrheit Hohn spricht und spottet. 41. Also ist nicht gegeben dadurch der Weg zur Erforschung der Wahrheit und der Findung der Wahrheit, weshalb durch den JHWH und durch den Propheten keine Zeichen oder nur sehr sparsam Zeichen gegeben sein sollen, die da von der Wahrheit zeugend sind. 42. Gegeben ist das Wort der Wahrheit, und dieses ist genügsam vollauf, um die Lehren der Wahrheit zu offenbaren für jene, die da sind willig, die Mühsal der Erlernung durch eigene Kraft anzugehen und zu tragen.
The Earth human’s sense of effort towards seeking the truth has disappeared. He has lost the inclination to seek the truth through his inherent power of thinking, searching and recognizing. Therefore he has wandered into the erroneous form of thinking, that he will only accept as true that which he can touch with his hands and that he can see with his eyes and that he can hear with his ears. But this is the false, purely material way, which mocks and scorns any effort of self-thinking, self-feeling, self-searching, self-seeking and self-recognition of every solution and truth. Therefore through this, the way to the searching for the truth, and the finding of the truth, is not provided. And so, through the JHWH and the Prophets, no signs, or only sparse signs, should be given, that testify to the truth. The word of truth is given, and this is wholly sufficient to reveal the teaching of the truth for any who are willing to make and to bear the effort of learning through their own power. (excerpted from www.gaiaguys.net/OMintro.htm)
If you really WANT to know the truth, which I doubt, please do not rely on Wikpedia for the truth about top secret WMD's. (!?) Please look up at the sky. Please go back to www.gaiaguys.net/meierv8p447-8.htm and have a look at my most recent updates down at the bottom of that page and do your homework, Jo_jo, instead of publicly degrading yourself by impugning people's motives and competency and using the moronic expression, ”conspiracy theories”, because anyone still using that phrase in 2006 might as well hang a sign around his neck saying “Sleeping – Do Not Disturb” and is a radiant example of why the citizens of the USA and their frightened allies have gotten our whole planet teetering on the edge of the abyss.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Salome,
Dyson |
Tony
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 09:23 pm: |
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"Tony,
No, Billy clearly doesn’t mention scalar among the new weapons. He mentions electron weapons which are distinct from scalar. Electron weapons exist, scalar is science fiction."
Jo_jo,
Billy specifically said electron weaponS and from my understanding so far, Scalar is one of those forms of electron weaponS. Therefore i believe that billy was refering to scalar as one of those electron weaponS to you.
Thats your opinion if you believe that Scalar is science fiction, I don't.
Also all i did was to ask Dyson if he could come here to see if he could help us clear this up, or at least to let us know what he knows so far about Scalar. I was not expecting to get a return email from Dyson back when I emailed him, and when I did, I simply posted it all up here as I exactly got it. Dyson also doesn't know that I did post his return email to me here too, unless of course he came and had a look. |
Kiril
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Post Number: 93
Registered: 12-2005
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Jo jo - Reply to Post Number 133 :
"If as you say they don't cancel out..."
Thats not what I've written or what Bearden intends to show. I can answer your question, however I suggest its a better idea that you check the book reference I provided.
Please refer to the above for answers to questions contained in your second paragraph. I have provided a brief outline only, to guide you when reading his work. It is clear you do not understand all the concepts I covered in my description, nor should you expect to - that is, without a proper investigation.
As for your 3rd paragraph I will say the following : Bearden considers Scalar EM Waves to be synonymous with Telsa Waves - and certainly they share some similar properties, their longitudinal propagation for example, but, it should be noted that Scalar EM waves are only Beardens attempt to understand the phenomenon of Telsa waves(this understanding also escaped Telsa). I am hesitant(since I haven't published the results) to say that I am certain that Telsa waves exist, by experimental determination - and, I contend that Beardens theories on the said waves have little explanatory value, in terms of understanding there true nature.
Note - The experimental design I used to validate the existence of Telsa waves is not my own. If your interested in the source, your welcome to contact me : k_man_mango@hotmail.com.
Lastly, a note about peer review and WikiP: Why rely on a second-hand source to validate a certain theory or idea - especially when they stand at the frontier of human knowledge(those ideas that are scientific)? If you cannot validate it independently, using the extent of your own knowledge/investigations/judgement, what real value does peer review and WikiP provide?
I don't mean to imply that sharing information and findings is useless, but that it must never be used as your final standard, that is the place of The Real.
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Jo_jo
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Post Number: 141
Registered: 04-2003
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Kiril,
You ask: What real value does peer review and Wikipedia provide? Wikipedia just represents a community of thought on a topic. In the case of scalar, it shows some people disagreed enough with Bearden to go through the trouble to dispute his claims. It just shows that scalar is not accepted science. Nothing more, nothing less.
The case of peer review is an entirely different matter. Very few people in the world are “expert” on any given topic, much less an expert at the frontier of human knowledge. The rest of us are just “lay people”. It’s easy to fool us. Not so easy to fool your colleague, “the expert”. If an independent scientist with a similar level of expertise and assets cannot replicate the results of an experiment, it rightly casts doubt on the findings of the original experiment. Don’t you recall the past scandals at Bell Labs and Lawrence National Lab, and the more recent Korean cloning scandal? Without peer review, cases like that would be bountiful and unchecked. The world doesn’t benefit by fraudulent science.
Another function fulfilled by peer review has to do with the investment community. Wall Street is occupied by business men, not scientists. They are lay people. They know enough not to trust their own judgment when it comes to things outside their bailiwick. Why has Bearden been unable to attract funding to develop his “free-energy” device? A conspiracy by the big energy cartel? No, the real reason is no peer review. Don’t you think Bill Gates or Warren Buffett would take a flier on $10,000,000 to fund the development of a free-energy device, especially given their philanthropic interests? That’s chump change to them. There are trillions of dollars of capital behind theirs begging for such a home-run opportunity. The problem is, investors just aren't going to throw away their money on things that don’t check out.
I wish you the best of luck with your experiments! |
Jo_jo
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Post Number: 142
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 07:57 pm: |
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Dyson,
Perhaps its just semantics, but I thought knowledge requires direct, personal experience with the thing one knows. For example, I “know” calculus because I’ve studied the text books, worked on the problems, passed the examinations and can properly apply its principles to find correct solutions. I “know of” the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki from books, articles, documentaries, etc. However, collectively we “know” atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki because of the irrefutable evidence and overwhelming experiences of the hundreds of thousands of people involved. Most people of the world think they “know” Apollo 11 landed on the moon. However, without direct, personal experience, they only “know of” a moon landing which may have been hoaxed. Apparently, you “knew” there were five successful moon landings prior to the Apollo 11 hoax. Then I guess you didn’t “know” after all. So, my mistake, perhaps you just “know of” scalar without any direct, personal experience.
You make outrageous and irresponsible claims that Russia has scalar weapons that will burn the US, and you don’t expect rational people to call you on that? Your claim is a fear-mongering tactic, is it not? Where are you going with that? Haven’t you noticed when the fear tactic is overused, as it is today, (just look at the news) people don’t rise to action – they withdraw and shut down instead. Is that what you want? Fear and darkness need to be eradicated, and truth is the remedy. It starts with each of us.
In my own way I’m searching for the truth. And yes, I obviously rely on my physical senses but not exclusively. I don’t eat things that taste bad, touch things that are too hot, cold or sharp, and stay away from foul odors. Don’t you? I also have some intelligence, knowledge and experience. I know enough to question things that don’t seem right, add up or make sense. Like with scalar. Outrageous claims require outrageous evidence, don’t they? You made the claim, and I am wrong to question you about it? Billy Meier being in contact with ET’s is an outrageous claim, but he backed it up with compelling evidence (photos, movie footage, sound recordings, metal samples, contact notes, etc). Witnesses also corroborated certain aspects of his case. He also lets us, on this public forum, ask him any half-baked question we care to. WHAT’S WRONG WITH ASKING FOR EVIDENCE OF SCALAR BEYOND WHAT BEARDEN SAYS ABOUT IT? Especially since scalar is “not garden variety 20th Century electrodynamics”. In my opinion, your excessively defensive posture results from there being NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE OF SCALAR. You just use the old saw that I'm too lazy to find it myself because YOU CAN'T PROVIDE IT EITHER. It exists as a theory in the mind of Bearden only. We all would do good to be more humble like Billy.
Who is classifying the unexplainable phenomena in Canberra as scalar? Bearden? Since scalar can allegedly manifest almost limitless effects, there’s quite a range of unexplainable phenomena it can be attributed to. Very convenient! I’m sure the list is growing daily. That doesn’t seem to be the way nature works. It’s just fitting the evidence to the case. For whatever it’s worth, the official cause of the Canberra fires was determined to be lightning strikes.
Dyson, no, I am not ashamed of myself and have no problem with my public reputation. To the people that know me in person, I am known by my actions. To the people that know me only through this forum, I am known by my words, thoughts and ideas. That’s good enough for me. |
Jo_jo
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Post Number: 143
Registered: 04-2003
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Isn’t it ironic that North Korea, that allegedly possesses and utilized the frontier leading technology of scalar weapons to cause firestorms in Canberra, Australia, can’t even successfully launch a long-range ballistic missile? What’s that, 1940’s technology? Something fishy here. |
Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 273
Registered: 03-2004
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Dear Jo_jo,
I can show you where to look, but I can't make you open your eyes, because there are none so blind as those who will not see.
  
Above photographs of the sky over our house @ www.gaiaguys.net/weatherwar.htm
Peace in love/wisdom,
Dyson |
Matt
Member
Post Number: 25
Registered: 04-2006
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Jo_jo "Dyson.....you make outrageous and irresponsible claims that Russia has scalar weapons that will burn the US, and you don’t expect rational people to call you on that? Your claim is a fear-mongering tactic, is it not? Where are you going with that?"
"Then, with the inevitability of a cold-war counterpunch, President Vladimir Putin saw fit to reassure Russians that America's shield could be defeated, with a silver bullet successfully tested in February."......"No country in the world as yet has such arms," Putin declared of the new weapon, which amounts to a space cruise missile. It will be "capable of hitting targets continents away with hypersonic speed, high precision, and the ability of wide maneuver."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0616/p01s04-woeu.htm
Jo_jo, when that bit about what Putin had declared was posted earlier before, you must have also held the belief there that that was another one of those outrageous and irresponsible claims made by another irrational person about Russia's Scalar weaponry - the same as what you are saying about dyson there!
Jo_jo, who is Putin?? What kind of weapon system do you think he is talking about there too?? And do you think that Putin could be bluffing there too, when the country that Putin comes from has never been known before to be a country that has bluffed about its military or technological achievements??
Which is unlike the U.S.A. - 1 example is apollo 11 moon landing.
"don't get the idea, "if it's terrifying that it must be b.s.", simply because terror is a weapon of choice in the USA's terror war. Their FAVORITE weapon is simple reverse psychology, and their puppetmasters the Bafath were at it for millennia." |
Vestri
Member
Post Number: 43
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 04:07 am: |
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Vestri:
"the only good thing to come out of WW3 if it happens, is the U.S. going down. If WW3 happens, good riddings to the U.S.A. is what I say for the world will surely be a much better place without the U.S.A"
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I came to my rational senses.
Vestri:
"Kingman and everyone else, ok, point well taken. I understand the situation better now. I was just worried sick with fear about the gloom of WW3 just around the corner is all, and I see now that I was just over reacting in an illogical and negative way regarding the WW3 situation. I take back everything i said back there that was relating to my negative feelings and desires towards the U.S. and its people"
Jo_jo:
"Gentlemen: It's easy to cite mumbo-jumbo, pseudo-science websites. If you can't explain your argument in a succinct and understandable way, one can only conclude you know not of what you are supporting or you have nefarious, ulterior motives...........The so-called “scalar field theory” is classified by wikipedia as a pseudoscience.............It’s unfortunate that nothing about scalar is demonstrable. There is no objective evidence for anyone to observe. And there’s no peer-reviewed literature corroborating this “theory”. To accept scalar requires a leap of faith with no supporting evidence. Sounds like a “conspiracy theory” at best.........It’s just fitting the evidence to the case. For whatever it’s worth, the official cause of the Canberra fires was determined to be lightning strikes..............You make outrageous and irresponsible claims that Russia has scalar weapons that will burn the US, and you don’t expect rational people to call you on that"
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